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Jim Keller

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“That would be cool. And my Wikipedia page, you know, getting updated by my daughter periodically. Like those two things would pretty much make it.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I had a debate with a friend about whether pyramids or craters are cooler, and he realized that there's craters everywhere, but they built a couple pyramids 5,000 years ago in there.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, they're pretty skeptical because I know it'd be better than that. They're like dad. So, yeah, that's that kind of stuff is super fun in terms of the big legend stuff. I don't care.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that was probably the best part of my legacy. She got her sister and they were all excited. They were trying to put it in the references because there's articles in that on the top.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My daughter was trying to get, she edited my Wikipedia page to say that I was a legend and a guru. But they took it out, so she put it back and she's 15.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Human political power expression layer of the stock, which is complicated. And there's lots to know about it. I mean, people are good at it. They're just amazing. And when they're good at it, and let's say relatively kind and oriented a good direction, you can really feel it can get lots of stuff done and coordinate things that you never thought possible. But all people like that also have some pretty hard edges because, you know, it's a heavy lift. And I wish I'd spent more time with that when I was younger. But maybe I wasn't ready. It was wide-eyed kid for 30 years.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and it's effective in the sense that coordinating thousands of people to do really hard things where many of the people in there don't understand themselves much less how they're participating creates all kinds of Know drama and problems that are a solution is political in nature. Like, how do you convince people? How do you leverage them? How do you motivate them? How do you get rid of them? There's so many layers of that that are interesting. And even though some of it, let's say, may be tough, it's not evil Unless you use that skill to evil purposes, which some people obviously do, but it's a skill set that operates. And I wish I was interested in it, but it was sort of like I'm an engineer, I do my thing And there's times when I could have had way bigger impact.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They had strategies about accomplishing their goals. Sometimes over the dead bodies of their enemies, with sophistication. Yeah, more Game of Thrones and like a big time factor rather than a”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know if it had the, it didn't have the amazing effect of creating the trillion dollar company. It was more like I just got pissed off and left or made enemies that I shouldn't have. It's hard. Like I didn't really understand politics until I worked at Apple where Steve was a master player of politics and his staff had to be or they wouldn't survive him. And it was definitely part of the culture. And then I've been in companies where they say it's political, but it's all, you know, fun and games compared to Apple. And it's not that the people at Apple are bad people. It's just they operated politically at a higher level. Know it's not like, oh, somebody said something bad about somebody, somebody else, which is most politics.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“About me that much. It's like, you know, you do something, you think you're embarrassed, but nobody cares. Like, and somebody's really mad at you, the odds of it being about you. No, they're getting mad the way they're doing that because of some pattern they learned. And maybe you can help them if you care enough about it, or you could see it coming and step out of the way. Like I wish I was way better at that. I'm a bit of a hothead.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, yeah, of course. Some of it's painful, but you want to hear the painful stuff. I would say, like, in terms of working with people. People did stuff I didn't like, especially if it was a bit nefarious. I took it personally and I also Felt it was personal about them. But a lot of times, like humans, most humans are a mess, right? And then they act out and they do stuff. And the psychologist, I heard a long time ago said, you tend to think somebody does something to you. But really what they're doing is they're doing what they're doing while they're in front of you. It's not that much about you. Right. And as I got more interested in, you know, when I work with people, I think about them and probably analyze them and understand them a little bit. And then when they do stuff, I'm way less surprised. And I'm way, you know, and if it's bad.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Surprising, you know, that's like the thing I like is surprises. And you just never know what's going to happen. But you have to look carefully and you have to work at it. You have to think about it”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But when it happens, if you had read the owner's manual and you believed it, you would have said, Oh, this happened. Don't mean it's not love, it's a different kind of love. Maybe there's something better about that as you grow old, if all you do is regret how you used to be at sat. You should have learned a lot of things because, like, who you could be in your future self is actually more interesting than possibly delightful than being a mad kid in love with the next person. That's super fun when it happens. That's 5% of the possibility.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“With Bukowski described as that moment, you go from being in love to having a different kind of love. And that's the thing”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or the afterwards. You really tried. I feel like Lex has made a lot of progress in this book. Have things in your life that you love.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you want something to be bigger and interesting, you should find all its components and differentiate them, clom it together. People do this all the time. Yeah, the modularity.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some people are addicted to physical love and they have no idea about emotional or intellectual love. I don't know if they're the same things. I think they're different.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Can be the light that actually enlivens your world and creates the interest and the power and the strength to go do something. That sounds like there's physical love, emotional love, intellectual love, spiritual”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Family and friends and things you care about, your brain isn't well balanced. Like everybody knows the experience of you. He works on something all week. You went home and took two days off and you came back in. The odds of you working on the thing, picking up right where you left off is zero. Your brain refactored it. Being above Like changes the color of the light in the room. Creates a spaciousness. That's different. It helps you think Makes you strong”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's really interesting, and there's people figured out lots of frameworks for this, like humans seem to go in partnership go through interest. Suddenly somebody's interesting. And then you're infatuated with him and then you're in love with him. And then you, you know, different people have ideas about parental love or mature love. Like you go through a cycle of that, which keeps us together and it's super functional for creating families and creating communities and making you support somebody despite the fact that you don't love them. Can be really enriching. No in the work life balance scheme, if all you do is work, you think you may be optimizing your work potential, but if you don't love your work or you don't have”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What way? So we habituate ourselves to the environment. And actually, Jordan told me, Jordan Peterson told me this line. So you go through life and you just get used to everything except for the things you love. They remain new. Like, this is really useful for, you know, like other people's children and dogs and trees. You just don't pay that much attention to them. Your own kids, you monitor them really closely. And if they go off a little bit because you love them, if you're smart, if you're going to be a successful parent, you notice it right away. You don't habituate. The things you love. And if you want to be successful at work, if you don't love it, you're not going to put the time in somebody else as somebody else that loves it. Because it's new and interesting and that lets you go to the next level.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've seen that happen. I don't know if it's always true. You run into people who are clearly B players, but they think they're A players. And so they have a loud voice at the table and they make lots of demands for that. But there's other people who are like, I know who I am. I just want to work with cool people on cool shit and just tell me what to do and I'll go get it done. So you have to, again, this is like people's skills. Like, what kind of person is it? I've met some really great people I love working with. That weren't the biggest ID people, the most productive ever, but they show up, they get it done, they create connection and community that people value. It's pretty diverse. I don't think there's a recipe for that.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, no That organizations that could be taken over by B player leaders. Often really underperform their RSU players. That said, in big organizations, there's so much work to do. And there's so many people who are happy to do what, you know, like the leadership or the big idea people who can consider menial jobs. And you need a place for them, but you need an organization that both values and rewards them but doesn't let them take over the leadership of it.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's quite a few successful startups. It's pretty clear the founders don't know anything about people. Like the idea was so powerful that it propelled them. But I suspect somewhere early, they hired some people who understood people because people really need a lot of care and feeding to collaborate and work together and feel engaged and work hard. Startups are all about outproducing other people. Like you're nimble because you don't have any legacy. You don't have, you know, a bunch of people who are depressed about life just showing up. So startups have a lot of advantages that way.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You have to be really good at stuff if you're going to lead and build a team, you better be really interested in how people work and think.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Either that or they have, you know, it's a great sales pitch. There's like enlightened people, write books, and do it all kinds of stuff.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, but that's a cage, and then you have to get Once you here's the thing once you find something like that, you have to be determined to break it. Because otherwise you'll just sort of accumulate that kind of junk and then you die as a mess.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's a really useless thought. It is You're humiliated. Something happened in a room full of people and they walk out and they didn't think about it one more second. Or maybe somebody told a funny story to somebody else.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You got to go face them. What's the worst thing that happened? You're going to die, right? Like, that's inevitable. You might as well get over that, like 100% death rate. People were worried about the virus, but the human condition is pretty deadly.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your upbringing for better or worse, whether your parents are great people or not, you come into adulthood with all kinds of emotional burdens. And you can see some people are so bloody stiff and restrained, and they think the world's fundamentally negative like you maybe. You have unexplored territory. You're afraid of something.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, a friend of mine, I asked him because he was working his asshole. I said, What's your work-life balance? There's work, friends, family, personal time. Are you balancing the in that? And he said, work 80%, family, 20%. And I try to find some time to sleep. There's no personal time. There's no passionate time. Young people are often passionate about work. So I was sort of like that. But you need to have some space in your life for different things.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like some things are hard. Like you go through mental transitions in high school. I was really depressed for a year. And I think I had my first midlife crisis at 26. My kind of thought, is this all there is? Like I was working at a job that I loved, but I was going to work and all my time is consumed.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, if you find yourself repeating what everybody else is saying, you're not going to have a good life. That's not how the world works. It seems safe, but it puts you at great jeopardy for. Being boring or unhappy or”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just because you're old doesn't mean you stop thinking. I know lots of really original. People. I'm an old person. But you have to be conscious about it. You can fall into the ruts and then do that. I mean, when I hear young people spouting opinions, it sounds like they come from Fox News or CNN. I think they've been captured by groupthink and memes.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, the Erquinstein thesis that the older generation will like, oh, And they're trapping all the young people. That's some truth.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Good at some stuff Get to know yourself, right? Get good at something that you're actually interested in. You have to love what you're doing to get good at it. Really got to find that. Don't waste all your time doing stuff that's just boring or bland or numbing Right. Don't let old people screw you. People get talked into doing all kinds of and wrecking up huge student debts Like, there's so much crap going on, you know.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the system is so complicated, it could be relatively unrestricted. And also, like, you know, during the last couple financial crashes, what set it off was sets of derivative events where Nassim Talib's thing is they're trying to lower volatility in the short run by creating tail events. And systems always evolve towards that and then they always crash like an S-curve is the star low ramp plateau crash It's 100% effective.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It could be there's a very large number of games to play and they can be agile about it. I don't know. I'm not an expert.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, they have more tools and more incentive. I mean, this always happens. Like, the outsiders are doing this for fun. The insiders are doing this 24-7.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And my guess is at some level it was amateurs trading against experts slash insiders slash people with special information. Yeah. And the insiders, you know, my guess is the next time this happens, we'll make money on it.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Could have been the surprise question was these guys called and you know it sounded like he was treating stuff as a black box maybe he shouldn't have but maybe his whole pilot expert somewhere else knew what was going on i don't i don't know”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's interesting because when you buy and sell stocks, the scaling is, you know, the stocks don't only move in a certain range. And if you buy a stock, you can only lose that amount of money. On the short, short market, you can lose a lot more than you can benefit. It has a weird cost function or whatever the right word for that is. So he was trading in a market where he wasn't actually capitalized for the downside if it got outside a certain range. Now, whether something nefarious has happened, I have no idea. But at some point, the financial risk to both him and his customers was way outside of his financial capacity and his understanding of how the system worked was clearly. Or he didn't represent himself. I don't know the person. When I listen to him,”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Listen to that guy. He was a little wide-eyed about, and then they did this, and then they did that. And it was like, I think you should know more about that, your business than that. But again, there's many businesses when this layer is really stable. You stop paying attention to it. You pay attention to the stuff that's bugging you or new. You don't pay attention to the stuff that just seems to work all the time. You just, you know, sky's blue every day, California. And once in a while, it rains everybody. It was like, what do we do? Somebody go bring in the lawn furniture. You know, like it's getting wet. We don't know why it's getting wet.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we're in a very hyper competitive world, right? But transactions like buying and selling stock is a trust event. I trust a company representative themselves properly. I bought the stock because I think it's going to go up. I trust that the regulations are solid. Now inside of that, there's all kinds of places where humans over trust. And this exposed, let's say, some weak points in the system. I don't know. if it's going to get corrected. I don't know if we have close to the real story. My suspicion is we don't.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That this hasn't happened before. I don't know why. And I don't actually know why some serious hedge funds didn't do it to other hedge funds. And some of the hedge funds actually made a lot of money on this. So my guess is we know 5% of what really happened and that a lot of the players don't know what happened.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think either now we understand it. This happens in chip design. You buy wafers from TSMC or Samsung or Intel. And they say it works like this and you do your design based on that. And then Chip comes back and doesn't work. And then suddenly you start having to open the black boxes. Like the transistors really work like they said. You know, what's the real issue? There's a whole set of things that created this opportunity, and somebody spotted it. Now, people spot these kinds of opportunities all the time. There's been flash crashes. There's been, there's always short squeezes. They're fairly regular. Every CEO I know hates the shorts because they're manipulating their. And deprive value from both the company and the investors. So the fact that Some of these stocks were so short, it's hilarious”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Robin guy didn't know how to finance this system worked. That was clear, right? He was treating like the people who settled the transactions as a black box. And suddenly somebody called him up and said, hey, black box calling you. Your transaction volume means you need to put up $3 billion right now. And he's like, I don't have $3 billion I don't even make any money on these trades. Why do I owe three billion dollars while you're sponsoring a trade? So there was a set of abstractions that”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Out there, like right now, you're harboring how many bacteria, the ones. Many of them are parasites on you, and some of them are helpful, and some of them are modifying your behavior, and some of them are, you know, it's really wild. But, you know, this particular manifestation is unusual in the demographic, how it hit, in the political response that it engendered and the healthcare response it engendered and the technology it engendered is kind of wild.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One third of I don't know if that number is true, but it was like. Like there's like the amount of competition and what's going on is stunning. There's a theory as we age, we slowly accumulate bacterias and viruses and as our immune system kind of goes down, that's what slowly kills us.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I believe in frameworks, right? So one of them is the evolution. Like, we're evolved creatures, right And one of the things about evolution is it's hyper competitive. And it's not competitive out of a sense of evil. It's competitive out of a sense of there's endless variation in variations that work better when. And then over time, there's so many levels of that competition like multicellular life partly exists because of the competition between different kinds of life forms. And we know sex partly exists to scramble our genes so that we have genetic variation against the invasion of the bacteria and the viruses. And it's endless. I've read some funny statistics. Like the density of viruses and bacteria in the ocean is really high. And one third of the bacteria die every day because of viruses invading them.”
2021-02-18 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #162 – Jim Keller: The Future of Computing, AI, Life, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source