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Jim Sciutto

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“ACCP On the other hand, they're not clamoring for doing anything about it. The fact that people don't care about it was literally at a party yesterday and I was talking about stolen election in Georgia, which I think I do believe Brian can't play games there. And who knows if Russia was involved and stuff like that and things like that. Literally an intelligent person at the party was like, oh, who cares? And I almost decked this man. I was like, who cares? You can't prove it. I'm like, oh my God, that you're starting from not caring is really a problem. I care. I do too. I do too. And I think that people do get tired of it when Trump keeps tweeting about it and everybody gets exhausted. It's meant to be exhausting. And that's how you win.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We should have We have more to offer And let's be frank, people are not clamoring for an ACCP, a Chinese Communist Party. They're not clamoring for, you know.”
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“You can't listen. I will say one thing on the positive point because it is more than just not losing I'm convinced of this, and I don't mean to wave the flag too much, but I believe it. We have much more to offer the world than Russia and China. Our systems do. And this is to some degree a clash of ideas. What kind of world do you want to live in?”
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“And we're losing now. Thank you, Jim, for those. That yeah, exactly. I'm for not losing anymore That's not the greatest hashtag.”
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“And we're losing now. We can stop losing. Thank you, Jim, for those. You should run for office on that. Yeah, exactly. I'm for not losing anymore. We're going to not lose so much that you're going to be sick of not losing.”
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“Right, in terms of competition. And again, so I don't want people not to sleep at night. I do want people to think about this because I'm concerned about it as an American. There are smart people and good Americans thinking about this and taking steps. But until we demand more from our leaders on a strategy for responding to this, and if we aren't willing to do more ourselves, then we're going to be the frog in the boiling water, right? That over time, you know, you lost this.”
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“As we privatize space, that's really interesting because in this country, privatization of space is what's happening, which is bad because then you don't have big strategic initiatives the way they're having these other countries. Right.”
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“Well, he may have, but you know the story, too, is he sent it to his IT person or his assistant did IT person recognize it as an illegitimate Gmail password reset, but auto corrected it in the email back to legitimate. They click on the link and the rest is history. We all have to be smarter about how we handle this kind of stuff because you could get in any institution.”
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“This is Well, it could be from, I mean, Congress can speak about it in these terms. We haven't heard it. Military leaders are. Public element to this as well. I spend time in Estonia on this because I love Estonia. But here's a little tiny country of 3 million people who've been beaten up by Russia repeatedly and yet they've stood up. And the president of Estonia, who I interviewed, they talk a lot about cyber hygiene. I know you've talked about it on your broadcast that, you know, we're only as good as our weakest link, any system in terms of these kinds of attacks, particularly the blunt force kind of stuff. I tell the story in here about how John Podesta lost his emails.”
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“That's incredible? I know. He's like, no, this is really bad. This is a bad, bad thing for my job. And he's just a doctor. So what's the answer to this? What should we do? All these things you talked about, what's the critically most important thing we need to watch out for? Besides Trump educating himself on some of this stuff, does it have to be from Trump or does it be from other leaders?”
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“There's a couple things he talks about, a couple of anesthesia stuff that he's anesthesiologist, and he's like, we cannot get this anymore because China bought up all of it or something. It was really interesting. I was like, what?”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, for both, for both of us. I mean, I always say to people, okay, you want to stop buying stuff from China. Look around your living room. How much stuff is made in China? Are you willing to pay two or three times as much for your flat screen TV or your furniture, et cetera? You may be, you know, most Americans can't afford that. You may be, but that's a consequence of cutting off that kind of trading relationship. You could say the same about Mexico, I suppose, in a lot of circumstances. You have the potential here of exacting punishment from both sides. I mean, another one is you mentioned rare earths earlier, right? The US stopped mining the stuff. China is now using that as a cudgel against us, and we'll stop exporting that to you.”
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“Do and I make the point people frequently make the point that during the Cold War we had a couple billion dollars a year of trade with the Soviet Union, basically nothing. We got 600 billion a year now. So there are mutual interests in maintaining a relationship. And actually, in the midst of this trade war, we're seeing...”
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“The general view you get is that Russia is maybe the more aggressive short term threat, but China is the much longer term, more capable existential threat over time, just bigger economy, bigger population, greater capability.”
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“And you need to set, listen, we have negotiated treaties without enemies before. We did it during the Cold War. We got a red phone, right? So that reduced the chances of nuclear conflagration. You need something similar for space and for cyber, difficult to sit across the table from these people. But there is mutual interest in establishing some sort of parameters around this because everybody would suffer from a space conflict. Listen, you blow up some satellites in space, though you can't use those orbits for years afterwards. So everybody pays. You got to find a way to avoid that kind of scenario.”
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“From the president, questioning the usefulness of the United States. That makes a difference, and Russia takes those signals. So alliances matter more, not less today. That's an issue. The other area that there's frequent agreement on is you need treaties for space and cyber. We don't have treaties for them.”
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“Just saying Absolutely. So you have that. I mean, there are other strengthened alliances. I mean, this is the thing we're in a space where NATO has never been, not never, but it's been a long time since NATO was as relevant as it is today, right? Because you need that unity to stand up to Russia. And when you have public discussion.”
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“So that's the thing. You have to raise it to cost that make a difference and change the behavior. We clearly haven't struck on that.”
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“Most trump supporters do get the joke. You know what I mean? Like, they don't die hards in the way you think they are. You know what I mean? And there I found it to be fascinating in terms of how they feel about Putin. But getting back to, go ahead, sorry. So go ahead.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're crazy, but they're crazier. You know what I mean? No, I do. You know, it's like, wow, that's really inaccurate. And I think at some level, even though we make fun of ourselves, I think even the most.”
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“Well, it did manage to understand. There you go. So you have That's a country that feels so bad about and so manifestly insecure as a country. If countries could be people, it's literally the most insecure country on the planet. And so they have to feel good about themselves. And so believe almost anything. I've been there many times and I'm always like this country”
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“Here's something that Carter brought up as well. What if you expose all the Russian boys that are dying in Syria? Russia lies about so you have some of them can be clever. These are the discussions that feel like.”
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“Well, we are, but to what degree? Ash Carter brings up the idea of what if you expose Putin for the thief that he is to his own people, expose his financial maybe.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Raising the cost to a point that it changes behavior. Our favorite response is to slap sanctions on this and that, and has that Russia still in Crimea and eastern Ukraine? China is still on these man-made islands in the South China Sea. Clearly, the response to 2016 interference didn't work because they tried again in 2018 and we'll try again in 2020, raise the costs with consequence. And in the book, there's a discussion of a few ways to go about it. And I mean, there are, of course, the idea of sector-based sanctions, right? Go after Russian oil. That has enormous economic consequences. But what about information ops of your own?”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. Taking memos off his desk, right? Terrible, this kind of thing. So that does happen, but just on that point for a moment, Russia and China looked at the signals coming from the top when they calculate how far they can push. So it does have consequences.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just ignore. They get those messages all the time. But Russia doesn't ignore the president's comments, you know, neither does China.”
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“Can I tell you what that Helsinki moment means for the folks who are on the front lines of this? That was one that in a thousand interviews, well, not a thousand, dozens of interviews for this book.”
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“Okay, start more than half a dozen of them. One know the enemy. So get over this delusion that they want what we want. And that's happening now. You got to defend our institutions better. That's simple. Sounds simple. Can you do it when you have a president who's had only one cabinet level meeting on election security? The US will not allow Russia and China to attack, whether it's invade a country in Europe, create territory in the South China Sea, mess with our elections, deploy space satellites. We have to set what the red lines are.”
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“Well, without getting together and thinking about a national strategy to respond and taking actual steps, they're going to continue to win. I have a final chapter where I lay out what smart people say are a series of steps that need to be taken.”
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“He says that America does not do future threats well. He imagines a scenario where George Tennett in August of 2001 says, we're getting a lot of chatter about terrorists targeting aviation in the U.S., so I'm going to require all Americans to take their shoes off and not carry liquids on, planes, and go through an extra level of screening. And he said, Americans would have said, no way. 9-11 happens. You get woken up. The trouble is you can argue the U.S. did have its sort of Pearl Harbor with the election interference in 2016, or should have because that was a consequential attack on our most sacred institution. But it had been politicized by one side, by Trump, so that you can't identify it in a unified way and therefore respond to it.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't take my word for it. But there is only partisanship. They can't make basic decisions together. Do you imagine the political climate changing so that happens? Or is Russia, has it worked? They've created dissent and discord.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Previous administrations didn't recognize it sufficiently. They were at least willing to identify Russia as a threat, particularly. You can give this administration credit for identifying China as a greater threat. You know, the trade space, stolen state secrets, et cetera. But you need a whole-of-government response, which requires focus from the very top, articulation of a strategy from the very top. In this administration, focusing on China, but still want to identify Russia as the threat that it is. You can't have that leadership. Don't take my word for it. The subcommanders want the leadership, the space commanders want the leadership, the folks in the NSA want the leadership.”
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“You could. I mean, a couple of things you're talking about sending satellites up with some shielding so that they could resist the effects of directed energy weapons. The former had a space command. He talks about sending satellites up with the equivalent of carrier escorts, right? So other satellites that could help push off even lay kind of depth charges in space term. So you're talking in those terms. They haven't made the decision on offense, but they are making decisions on defense and space. In terms of tying it together and responding with a contiguous national strategy, it hasn't been articulated yet. And one point.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What is the US doing? We're not just sitting here. No, we're not. I mean, first, it started with recognition and speaking in terms of a shadow war, though they don't use that exact term is something that U.S. military commanders do. It's something that folks in cyber command do, et cetera. Making piecemeal decisions of consequence, but without a clearly articulated vision. And I'll give you an example. I mean, again, we talked about this, the Trump administration enabling some offensive cyber weapons in response to intrusive attacks by Russia and China. In other words, meet them out on the battlefield here. So you've had that happen. The U.S. has not made a decision exactly how to respond to threats in space, although we are starting to send satellites into space that have greater maneuverability so they could get out of the way of the bad guys.”
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“They may achieve victory without us realizing it. And that's, again, part of the reason I write the book is that we're already in a war without realizing it, right? And certainly the public's not aware of it, and our leaders are not speaking of it in those terms. But for sure, but without realizing that at the same time you're getting attacked on other fronts and losing ground on other fronts.”
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“So both of them speak in terms of permanent conflict, that this is over time. There's no signing ceremony on the Missouri, because it's happening over time insidiously. And again, with them calculating what is our threshold that they can operate under without sparking a decisive response, right? So it just goes on forever, just eating away at American advantages, that kind of thing. Well, that's for China, though, the ambition is to supplant the US economically and militarily. Will we know it? I mean, you're sort of like the frog in the boiling water. The temperature keeps going up. Will we not recognize it until, wait a second, we're no longer the world power? It's not going to happen in a day. It'll happen over the course of many days and years.”
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“That's the argument that we shouldn't. The argument is let's not debate it, let's just go steam ahead, which I think is wrong because the government's gotten us with social media. So what are the biggest threats right now from each of these countries?”
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“Absolutely. And it's, I mean, some make the argument to me that AI is already in play in some ways because in the cyberspace that, of course, the decisions are made in microseconds that human beings can't complicate. So already those tools are operating somewhat independently from human control to some degree at least in the moment but just the idea that you you know also when you speak of drone technology right that you know that the systems that manage those swarms of drones that kind of thing will have some artificial intelligence and everything yeah fair enough”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Again, not Russia, China. And when I ask the folks, a lot of this, again, part of the motivation for writing this book is whenever I would ask senior intelligence officials, okay, give me your top five threats, right? What keeps you up at night? They would always have Russia and China at the top of the list. And some would put Russia ahead of China, but most of them put China ahead of Russia. But then when I say, okay, so give me the next fields of battle. And of course, they'll say space, but they all say AI as well, that this is, you know, we're already there in some respects, but that's a next field of competition.”
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“You know, China does a great job of just enlisting its intellectual and technological firepower in the service of the government. You got the people who are expressly working for the security agencies, but they have, he says, they have sort of, he called it a national service program for highly capable technological students to do the work of hacking for the government. So the whole system has been.”
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“No. I remember when I went to the Huawei headquarters, and this is a number of years ago, I remember walking through, I'm sure they wouldn't let us do this again, but walking through the quarters, and any door that was open, I felt like there were about a thousand people in a terminal. And that's Huawei. It's a company that makes a lot of products, that kind of thing. But Bob Anderson, again, former head of counterintel of the FBI in the chapter on stealing a state secrets, he talks about how”
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“Well, exactly, because they've calculated, I mean, essentially, that's a bigger conversation, I guess. It's a crisis of legitimacy because they've calculated that they can't keep this population of 1.4 billion in check without having that kind of control. And that's a sad.”
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“Which a lot of the funding. I was just at an event where a China expert was talking about how much money they spent on internal. The reason they're so interfacial recognition and AI combined is because they need to control this population. Not just the abuses, the marginalized people they're doing, the spying they're doing on different Uyghurs, for instance. The Uyghurs and stuff.”
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“It's a question, you know, just beginning with Trump's addressing this issue, credit where credit is due, he's confronting China on what is a genuine issue, not just trade misbehavior, but national security, a true national security threat. So can you work together on these essential technologies when you have enterprises that abide by government rules and a country which is calculated That its survival, or the leadership of that country, is calculated that its survival is dependent on control of its own people.”
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“And so there has to be global cooperation between tech and obviously Apple makes a lot of things in China. Obviously, Google does. Google's trying to go in there. How do we work with them? And at the same time, protect our national security interests? It's”
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“To screen your computer. So, what do you do as it there? Because I don't agree with Donald on much, but I got to say, I don't think we should be using law. I'm kind of like, yeah, Huawei's a problem. Yeah. From a national security point of view, I don't think, I'm not sure that's why he's doing it. Some of these things should, how can we be working with them? Because obviously China is going to be a technological leader”
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“You know, you understand You understand why U.S. security services are concerned about it. I remember that moment during Hill testimony when all the intelligence chiefs were there and they were asked about ZTE, would they use a ZTE phone? And they all said no, you know, because they're concerned about a backdoor and a ZTE phone. I mean, you look at the Russia thing too. Why does no government agency use Kaspersky labs now, right? Because they were worried about what was a good technology product. You trust that to screen your computer. So”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Work with their security services beyond the fact that listen, there's no real firewall between the industries there. I mean, you got the straight up state-owned enterprises and the other ones, but they still have a tight relationship and directors on the board, whatever. So, you know, they got to do it. They got to do it. And that's a problem. And that's why when you look, for instance, we spoke about Huawei.”
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“Never thought we should. Well, it's an enormous opening for bad behavior, isn't it? Rick Legett, former Deputy Director of the NSA on this, he makes the point that China has laws that require their technology companies to...”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Technology dominated system. When you get back, I want to talk a little bit about more what the repercussions of this are because most of our technology is built in China. And not built in Russia, but built in China. And should that happen? Should that be? What are some of the things we can do to push this back? And what are some of the things the US is doing or not doing when we get back? We're here with Jim Shudo. He's the author of The Shadow War Inside Russia and China's Secret Operations to Defeat America. We're back with Jim Shudo. He's the author of The Shadow War. It's about Russia and China's efforts to hurt the United States or to dominate over the United States. What do you think just on the regular front, we make a lot of things in China? Should we be making our phones in China? I've never thought we should.”
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