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Jim Sciutto

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first: 2019-06-10
most recent: 2019-06-10
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“Doing, or would there be two internets? There will be two systems. That's what's going to happen. There's going to be their system and our system, and then it will be a global race to compete of who dominates in other countries. Who it is that is it a Western democracy system or is it a Chinese?”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Never Russia, they're just irritating. Russia's just irritating. It's China that we need to be big in order to fight China, which my answer is always, do we really want to get an arms race with China over facial recognition, for example?”
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“Along the way. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's not that we don't cheat, but it's an interesting question who's going to dominate the next phase is something that's interesting, that's been debated. And of course, Silicon Valley people are saying, let us stay large so that we can compete against China. It's never Russia.”
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“them to other countries Good example of this absolutely. I mean Their way. I've actually been to Huawei's headquarters in Shenzhen, and credit where credits do, right? They do a good job stealing. And that is expressly to catch up to the U.S. But China is ahead of the game. You know this better than me in artificial intelligence, quantum computing, this kind of thing.”
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“F-35, the F 35. Sorry, China is F 35. Because he Of what they're staying. They're also, to give them credit, doing a lot of their own technology and spreading it all over the world. And so becoming just the way they're buying up mining rare earth minerals, everything else, they're also deploying their technology in place, facial surveillance or giving them to other countries to try to become the dominant technology force in the world the way the US has been Huawei is a good example of this. I mean, I think it's easy to say they steal everything. They don't just steal everything they actually are innovating their way.”
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“Not a hacker, single spy, Stephen Sue, who over the course of four years stole hundreds of gigabytes of data on the F35, the F-22, and the C-17. And today, Russia is flying three jets that look a heck of a lot like the F-35, the F-38. Sorry, China is F-35, the F-22, and the C-17 because he was so successful over four years. He was caught by the FBI, but only four years in. And I interview the former head of counterintelligence for the FBI, Bob Anderson, who says, we're aware of about 10% of what China's doing. 10% of what...”
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“Not Russian troll farm kind of level stuff. They have the capability of doing it. They haven't done it. Yeah. Of course, the other aspect.”
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“Exactly. China's missiles are designed to destroy U.S. aircraft carriers, and they've got enormous, they've had enormous success over here, anti-access aerial denial. That's a whole, you know, they create kind of a web of fire that keeps U.S. carriers off the coast. So China, by the way, does election interference too. Australia has had particular experience with this. But when China is reducing soybean purchases from Iowa, right, in the midst of this trade war, that is trying to maximize pain on Iowa farmers with political effect in the U.S. It's basically election interference. And China has also done probing attacks like Russia has of election systems. So they all operate.”
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“Well, they shot a missile to take out a satellite in space. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, yeah. And whenever a country does it, by the way, the US has done this more than once, we always say, well, the satellite is in a degrading orbit and it threatens people in South America, whatever. It's a missile test. It's a missile test. Of course.”
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“They have been known for space. They famously blew up a satellite in space about 10 years ago. But submarine warfare. China's”
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“didn't know it was coming and when you can pop up in the middle of them of course you could have already launched the torpedoes and you know they're dead so they're there China also does election interference”
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“They can. They haven't done it yet, but in the event of war, they can, and they've tested this capability right up to geostationary, so right up to 20,000 miles. To be able to do that You got to have fantastic maneuverability, situational awareness, et cetera. They've demonstrated that capability. So China's in space. China is also under the waves. They don't do nuclear subs as much as diesel-electric. Diesel-electric is quieter. There was a Chinese sub that popped up in the midst of a U.S. carrier group without warning a number of months ago that scared the bejesus out of U.S. naval commanders. It's popped up.”
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“So China, active in those same fronts. It's got space weapons. Its innovation is what U.S. space command calls a kidnapper satellite. It's got a grappling arm that can snatch satellites out of orbit, moonraker style They're up there, they're active”
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“Coming back to why I wrote this book, I've been covering each of these fronts, and I'm not hearing folks, certainly in the White House, but elsewhere talking about how those fronts fit together. And it is an explicit strategy. And although Russia and China are very different countries. Thousand different ways, they've struck on a similar strategy for undermining the US.”
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“With military intent, you've got an arms race under the waves again with military intent. And as in any sort of asymmetric battlefield, these are the spaces where Russia and China too calculate that they can compete with us, right? They can't build 12 aircraft carriers tomorrow, but they got very good submarines. And then you have the broader cyber issue, which I know you've covered extensively, disinformation, but also going after critical infrastructure. They already have the ability to go after water treatment, power grids, et cetera.”
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“U.S. submarine commanders, and I spend time on a U.S. sub under the Arctic where they're training to track Russian subs will grant that they can't track them as well as they used to. And that's a military change, a technology change with intent by Russia. So you got the information ops kind of stuff, election interference. You got space weapons.”
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“Base force, exactly so they do that because they know we're dependent on it. It's classic asymmetric warfare. And in the event of war, they take that away from us. And it's also civilian technologies, as you know, better than me, depending on space assets. You know, GPS timestamps. Keep the financial markets going. That space. Under the waves, you have a new submarine arms race that's been underway for years. Russia deploying faster, quieter submarines. Why does that matter? With a submarine that's faster and quieter, it can pop up off our coastline in the event of war and rain down nuclear warheads without warning. And they show off that capability. You've seen stories about Russian subs popping up off the coast of Florida.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, no, not deployed, and that's a decision, we have those capabilities, but we haven't deployed them to the degree that China and Russia had. And that's a decision that has to be made. Is that the best deterrent, or does that lead to a space arms race? That's part of the calculation that has to be made today.”
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“They're designed to take them out to not just communications, surveillance satellites, nuclear early warning satellites, GPS on which are a whole host of military technologies depend. Smart bombs aren't smart. Drones don't fly, et cetera.”
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“Multiple fronts, right? Let's talk about that. My sense is Americans are aware of maybe one of the fronts or two of the fronts. They think about it, election interference. Okay, no question. We're talking about that. We have a national conversation. Do they know that Russia has deployed weapons in space? They're up there right now. Kamikaze satellites can take out our satellites. There are directed energy weapons in space, lasers in space. That's what the space command calls them. And then China has.”
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“You're right. No, and I make that point for both Russian China that neither is anything close to a democracy, but they both have domestic politics. And Putin and Xi are good at appealing to those domestic politics, right, of now is our time. Don't let America Keep us under their thumb. We're pushing back. This is our time to regain our place in the world.”
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“Exactly. So Putin was a change for Russia, and I'm not saying Yeltsin was a hero or anything, but there was definitely a change in aggressiveness at that point.”
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“Russia Discord, and particularly with Putin's rise, because Putin had a very adversarial relationship or view of the US and even paranoid to some degree. There's a fair amount of paranoia that infects his view of everything is designed to kind of take him down. You never noticed.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of course, of course not. She had his number. Women know. Anyway, women always don't creep. So we went up to a coal where we basically won the Cold War. We were doing very well economically, even though China was growing too. But in general, still the dominant. country of the world essentially talk about how each of them then started to make different that you describe in your book”
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“And one of the consistent themes of the book, though, is that The constant missed signals, the constant misreading. And another point I make, and again, it's not a political book because there's a lot of blame to go around Democratic and Republican administrations, but each president comes in and says, I can get this right George W. Bush looked into Putin's eye. I see a guy could work with. Things go pear shaped afterwards. Obama reset button. Things go pear shaped. Of course, Donald Trump is still in that space. He's like, I can get this right. But it hasn't worked out so well”
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“Right as the dominant power in the world. So you kind of rush a playing spoiler, China playing genuine competitor. They care. They just, as folks often say, you know, they got economy about the size of one U.S. state. China's got an economy that's, you know, To surpass this at some point.”
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“Between Russia and China. And I will. Russia And again, there's some generalizing going on here, but the way folks will describe it Russia is a zero sum game player. They see it as an advantage any way they pull us down politically. Election interference militarily, et cetera. China really wants to supplant us.”
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“Thinking that they're a mirror image of our interests and our motivations, but they're not, right? First of all, they have a different view of a different difference.”
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“Well, but in the 90s, remember, you know, we had this impression that things were different. End of history, Russian-China want to play by our rules now. And if we engage them and bring them into the international fold, not only are we going to make friends with them, but they're going to liberalize at home and modernize, democratize, all this kind of stuff. Even in the face of years of contradictory evidence and information, that delusion persisted. And the folks I interview in this book who were serving in high positions during this time are self-critical in their analysis, they say that we could not give up this delusion, this mirroring is a word that comes up a lot. Explain what that means, mirroring. It means thinking that they want what we want.”
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“You know what I mean? For a lot Well, that's going back to the Cold War. So the Cold War ends. In 91, Soviet Union collapses. And at the same time, it's not, I mean, I'm not. Entirely equating Russia and China, but there are parallels to the development of this. At the same time, China is liberalizing Economy economically making enormous strides. And in both cases, the US”
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“Now, let's be clear, these two countries have always been trying to undermine the United States, right? But one of the things that I find interesting is, look, Russia lost the Cold War, lost it cold, like completely lost it. China, same thing was never able to make the kind of incursions that they had hoped. But they have used technology to do so. You know what I mean? So, but first talk about the history of their attempts to, the non shadow war, because there was, you know, it went on and on. And largely they lost due to our economic vitality, the freedom democracy just worked better for a lot more people and a lot more people lived better.”
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“Members of the public, journalists, the way we write about these stories, but also our leaders weren't connecting the dots on what when you look at the full picture is a strategy. It's a strategy by both Russia and China to undermine the US on multiple fronts. And the fact is, both of them are very explicit in that strategy. They write about it, you know. And I wrote it, my motivation was as a concerned American that I spent all these years in these places and I feel that my country is being undermined in a way that is worrisome. I want my kids to experience a world as free as the one I grew up in or a country as prosperous as the one I grew up in. And you have two countries that are intent on Undermining that”
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“Who are you trying to do? The impetus was that I spent years covering these countries, China and Russia, on multiple fronts of what I would perceive as this shadow war. And it struck me that folks weren't connecting the dots on this, not just...”
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“We're here with Jim Shudo, the author of Shadow War. Jim is also the chief national security correspondent for Sienna. He is a co-anchor of CNN newsroom in the mornings on CNN. Talk about the book. So you were writing, you're saying it everywhere. What was the impetus for writing it? What were you trying to do?”
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“I wrote it on planes, trains, and in coffee shops. I didn't take time off. I wrote it between January of last year and July. 80,000 words, and I just said, I'm going to write 10,000 words a month, 2,500 words a week.”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you think journalists should pull back a little bit? Some people think no, don't. Absolutely. Right. Not pull back on it. All right. So getting into substance in the next section we're going to talk about how you decided to do this book and what you're thinking about it.”
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“So that makes you know even more so what your role is. Expose wrongdoing, you know, shine light on issues that don't have light shone on them. And that's on the positive side, mission affirming. So that's one thing. Two, ignore the BS. I just ignore it, you know, because at the end of the day, I actually think that his attacks have less impact over time. I think people are getting more numb to them to some degree. There is the very serious side of it is that some people do listen, and there's a reason why we have armed guards at CNN today, and there's a reason why you have guards at Trump events guarding the press pen, because some people do listen to those attacks. There's a reason why when Poppy and I were on the air in September and CNN received the bomb, that guy was listening.”
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“That, and Trump even said it in the famous Leslie Stahl interview. He said, I attacked you because when you have critical information, I can then undermine the source. I mean, Trump said it in so many words.”
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“I do. Okay, so big picture, we do our best to ignore it. Because the only direction, like I said, I get for my bosses is get it right and work hard. And frankly, it encourages the mission of journalism because when you're under attack with purpose, right? Because the fake news attacks are with purpose. Absolutely.”
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“I think Primetown Broadcast has a little bit different. I mean, it's just not my style, right? I try to play it as much as possible.”
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“Right, right. How do you operate under the pressure of being called thing? You see, CNN is the one that's most targeted again. What do you do in those cars? And sometimes, like some of your evening anchors really get a little emotional. Like you don't. It's really interesting. You don't have a lot of opinion. It doesn't feel like it. You don't shade it as much as.”
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“Yes, we do. I mean, listen, we do. We try. Of course, you know, you could be doing that and then heck, something else happens, right? Some guy walks out of the committee. It is reactive. I think that, you know, I try to look at it from my career and just as a journalist that...”
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“The hot Twitter. Exactly. So that's one thing I think that we could do better. We could do better for people. When I talk to my sort of unscientific focus group of friends and family, I think that's what people are clamoring for is like, okay, I know what's happening, but I'm hearing it from 27 different angles. Tell me why I care, how this fits into the bigger picture, why is this different? How should I prioritize? And that's something that we try to do every day.”
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“Never been more vetted than anything I've worked on in my life. What are the sources, multiple sources? Let's make sure the language is precise. Let's go back to them. I want more clarity on this or that. I mean, the level of vetting and editorial, not control, but editorial standards higher than I've ever experienced in the business. So one, we got to get it right. Two, we do our best to avoid an editorial slant. I think the bigger challenge, and one reason I wrote a book, is that you don't often get the opportunity to connect the dots and provide context”
2019-06-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: CNN's Jim Sciutto · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, people ask me a lot, do we have an editorial line at CNN or am I encouraged to follow a certain editorial line? The answer is no. We're encouraged to follow the news. And our bosses care about getting it right. We have whenever we're accused of fake news or making stuff up or making sources up and you know where that criticism comes from, I say, guys. You don't know how vetted our reporting is, and particularly in this era, it is more the stories I do, particularly when it's sensitive stuff.”
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“Essentially But news driven versus opinion driven. Right, of course. There's actual news happening. There's a shooting or there's something this week there has been like 10 things, right? So talk about that concept of what's happening now.”
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“When you think about the impact just a previous guest I had, I was telling you about sort of the corrosive effects of cable sometimes. And it's true. How do you look at that? I would say the evening ones are more. You're more news driven.”
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“Cable news in this era when you have a lot of live interviews with newsmakers, you have news breaking during your hour, very little of it is scripted. We do our homework. Poppy and I work hard. We know the issues before we go in. But you're reacting in the moment and you got to do it with some intelligence and knowledge and respect. That could be challenging, but it's fun.”
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“Always a tweet. Exactly. And I think the day when I was at ABC and you had the old school kind of evening news broadcast, very scripted, you know what they were going to say.”
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“Must be exhausting. Poppy and I, we blow up the playbook every day because news breaks, particularly during our hours during 9 11 committee hearings, et cetera.”
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