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Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey

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“Yeah, same. I'm not really on Instagram. But you're both on Twitter. We're on Twitter. Yeah. I'm Mega Tewie, actually. Yeah, that was very clever.”
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“Flooded. That's the best part. But once you feel you're not alone, it suddenly becomes easier to talk. But I think the whole thing is every single thing I've ever looked into is because people think they're the only one and feel vulnerable, which I think is what you guys brought out a lot. And getting those people that talk on the record is an astonishing achievement. And I think I know how difficult that is to get people to do that. But it makes a big difference. I think Ashley, that one scene of Ashley Judd deciding to go on the record, which was important, was really quite, it must have been like, thank you kind of stuff.”
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“I mean, one of the things that we have pointed out is that the day that we broke the Weinstein story, our email inboxes and phone calls were flooded with the best part with women and other victims who wanted to tell their stories and with tips. And that's happening every single day.”
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“Well, if we could tell you we wouldn't be investigative reporters. But no, we are staying on this topic area. We are staying on this topic. By the way, we are always eager to further tips if anybody wants to contact us. But I think our basic philosophy at this point is”
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“But I think that's another reason as we were working, you know, as we were continuing our reporting and as Me Too took off and became more confusing and more complicated, you know, we really wanted to kind of cut through the confusion and some of the emotional reactions that people are having and plunge everybody back into the facts.”
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“You know, I think it's a lot of people who've said some dicey things in the workplace that really don't rise to the level but feel nervous about it and like what did I do kind of stuff? And I think I get that. Like I said, just this stuff at MIT recently with Jeffrey Epstein. Some people are more in some cases it's questioned you don't know it's confusing and in other cases it's quite serious it's quite serious”
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“Right. And there's also a backlash to it, like a backlash to the front lash, essentially, that, oh, I'm tired of this. That wasn't that. And kind of doing the workplace. I've heard so many VCs. Now I can't talk to women. I literally want to hit them with a stick. Is that stick?”
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“If you look at a company like McDonald's, it's the second largest employer in the country, they're actually beginning to take a much closer look at their sexual harassment policies. They've put some significant changes into place. I don't know if it's going to go far enough, but to see a company that employs that many millions of people trying really feels like something new. On the other hand, as we know, the basic laws and structures and systems have barely budged at all. There have been a couple of adjustments that are important at the state level, but what we were talking about a couple of minutes ago in terms of what is this country's fundamental system for preventing and dealing with these problems, that hasn't changed.”
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“No, but if you look at Anita Hills legacy, it said she is the person who introduced the concept of sexual harassment to workplaces across the country. I think on the one hand, if you look at the change that's occurred, it really has been seismic. The display of mass accountability starting in the fall of 2017, the fact that many corporations really are thinking about this in a new way, taking it far more seriously. The legacy of the Weinstein Company is that if you don't protect your employees, it can destroy your company.”
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“I think that it's important for people to put this trial in the context of a variety of things that are happening in the broader Weinstein story. I mean, first of all, this is a criminal case that's based on sort of three victims. There's going to be some other victims who can serve as victim witnesses, which is significant. That was really significant in the Cosby trial. But a lot of what we have documented in the course of our reporting were allegations of sexual harassment against Weinstein, things that would things that would never amount to criminal charges. A lot of the criminal activity that has been alleged fell outside of the statute of limitations here in New York.”
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“We don't know what's going to happen to him. So when you think about the overall thing, do you think it's a forward thing because if he gets off, you know, these people are starting to try to return a lot of the people that were caught up in the Me Too things are attempting like the Mark Halperin thing just happened, where do you put it? Because I look at covering tech stuff and we've been pretty tough on Facebook. Its stock has never been more of an all-time high. Some of the things people are listening to, but it's a really interesting, it's not that we're trying to get Facebook down, but we want people to think about costs and things. So do you think it's changed anything?”
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“Okay, so the trial's coming up in January of 2020, and we don't want to make any predictions about whether or not he's going to be convicted because both the prosecution and the defense have been through a lot of convulsions. Weinstein's team has Several times he claims to have really solid evidence that these relationships were consensual. On the other hand, with the prosecutors, the prosecutor's case has changed in a couple of different ways. And it seemed to weaken and then strengthen at various different points. And also one of the central victims, an alleged rape victim, has been totally anonymous. So Megan and I have not spoken to her. Our impression is that she has not spoken to journalists generally. Her identity is not known to the public. And so there's a lot we don't know about how this is going to play out.”
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“And Ashley Judds Many steps she's taken. Price is like who's going to testify against Harvey Weinstein was just allowed that tremendous Annabella Shiura. I want to finish up two things I want to finish this up.”
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“So Well, it was an interesting moment. I mean, there were the questions that we were asking of these women in this group interview, but it was also interesting to see how they interacted with each other. So when Christine was talking about how difficult some of her real struggles with reading stuff on the internet, you can be sure that Gwynneth Paltrow and Ashley Judds swept in and said, oh no, you know, like if an alcoholic can stay away from a drink every day, you can stay away from the comments sections online. And so it was there were similarities and there were also experiences. And somebody like Ashley Judd, there really wasn't pain. I mean, there was, you know, she had been, you know, this is somebody who had been committed to gender equality for many years. And this was kind of just one of many steps she's taken.”
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“Transformation since then. She was coming off. She had actually recently run for state office in Ohio. She had run for public office. She had sort of been able to come out of the bunker that she had remained in for months and decided to actually use her public profile in an attempt to get involved in the Democratic process. And so there were people like her, Zelda Perkins, who was another person who was part of the Weinstein investigation, has gone on, has basically taken up a public campaign against these secret settlements in the UK. So there were people who had been really galvanized by their experience into activism, but there were other people who were still suffering from the kind of that, for example, Christine Blasi Ford was talking about how much she had been struggling with reading things, the comment sections online. Where people were sort of saying false things about her. So that was also an interesting.”
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“Right, we knew what the public impact had been, and we really wanted to understand what the private implications had been for these women in terms of stepping forward. And so it was really mixed. There was somebody like Rachel Crooks, who was one of the first women to go on the record with allegations against Trump. And when I worked with her on those stories in 2016, you know, she was, you know, when I talked to her on the phone, her voice I found to be a little shaky. She's a receptionist. She'd been a receptionist in Trump Tower when he had sort of forcibly, as she tells it, forcibly kissed her the first time they met outside an elevator. And she, so when she first came forward in 2016, she was sort of, she was really shaky. She did not anticipate coming under such harsh attack. Yes, some people celebrated her, but other people, you know, even people in her own family had not support to this day support Trump. And so she was, but she had really undergone a pretty substantial”
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“To bring the book to a close, we wanted to come back to the women who had helped trigger some of these changes. It was a very diverse group. Kim Lawson, a McDonald's worker who's fought sexual harassment at the company, was there. Rachel Crooks, who came forward about Trump in 2016, was there. Their stories had a common element, which is that each of them had told a very private personal story on the public stage, except for one woman, Rowena, who had not come forward yet. And they had seen Really outsized impact. Their story, for good or for bad, had meant more to other people than anybody in the room had ever dreamed. So we wanted to come back to them and say, what do you make of everything that happened? And also, you know, what can you say now about the experience of coming forward?”
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“The idea was like right now, as we said here, we're coming up on the third anniversary of the release of the Access Hollywood tape, the second anniversary of the Breaking the Weinstein story, the first anniversary of the Kavanaugh hearings. So all of us, all of us together collectively have lived through this sort of extraordinary period in the life of American women in all of our lives.”
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“In Palo Alto And when you brought them all together, that was fascinating. You brought Christine Lazy Ford with Gwynneth Paltro, you had a whole bunch of people there and the woman who I'm banking on her name, Rowina. You brought them all together. What was the thinking? I thought it was fantastic, but it was a really interesting conversation that all of them had”
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“That's right. In December, two months after the hearing, I flew out to California and had the first interview with her. In Palo Alto in Palo Alto. That's right. Yeah. And at the time, she was, you know, she showed up for the breakfast meeting with her baseball hat pulled down. She was still living in hiding because of death threats she had not been able to move back into her family home. And so it was clear that the sort of personal repercussions of testifying and coming forward were going to just continue for months, if not years to come.”
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“What are the tools we use for evaluating these complaints? How do we find the truth? How do we get to the bottom of what happened? Number three, what should the penalties be? What does accountability look like? All three of those questions are very controversial and that they tend to get very mixed up with each other as well. If you look at, say, the Al Franken case, it's like all of those questions have just combined in a way that only creates more controversy and confusion.”
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“In our reporting, what we've basically seen is that there are three big questions about MeToo that are totally unresolved. One is, what's the scope of behaviors that's under scrutiny here? Is this just about really severe allegations of assault and rape? Right, right, right, right, range? Are we talking about bad deeds? What kind of workplace behaviors are we talking about? Are we talking about brass snapping in school hallways, et cetera, et cetera? Second question”
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“We felt we had to do justice to the complexity of Me Too because we had this experience. We all lived through this. This wasn't unique to Megan and I. The Weinstein story and a lot of the stories that came afterwards had such power and such force, and it felt like there was just this opening and like this seismic cultural shift and like the old rules on sex and power were really being blown away and things that had been tolerated for a long time were not going to be tolerated anymore. But as the months went on, the controversy only grew and there was this sort of feeling of mounting unfairness on both sides. This was before anybody knew anything about Christine Blasie Ford, even in, say, the spring of 2018. There was this feeling that both the accusers and the accused thought the system was broken, that we didn't have the right tools”
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“You This Right, right. And the pervasiveness of it. I think that's what was interesting because the tech has a whole bunch of them. And we had written about the Allen Powell thing, which was a very, it's a different story, but it's the same sort of, it was about power the whole time. And one of the things that I found interesting is then you shifted and started to talk to Christine Blaze Ford. Why did you guys include her in this? I was like, oh, look who shows up in this book. What was the reasoning behind it”
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“Enablement came to the surface in the course of this story and became visible. And there had obviously been elements of that in some of the other previous stories, but I think it really people were able to walk away saying this is actually a story that even goes beyond sexual harassment.”
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“You've been so immersed in it, you can't sort of see the forest through the trees, and you've been so obsessed with just trying to get the facts and get your findings and get them published that you actually aren't even thinking about what the reaction is going to be. I think, you know, and we've pondered that question as we were working on this book, why was it that this story did help sort of bring about this social shift in the past couple years? And I think that, you know, when it comes to the actresses like Ashley Judd and Gwynneth Paltro and other sort of prominent women who went on the record, I think that that did play a role. I do think that that showed that nobody was immune from this type of sexual harassment. And that did sort of help inspire people to come forward. But we also realized that it was, I think that in some of the other elements that we really reported out over the last two years was that this story was also kind of an x-ray into abuse of power, period. And that, you know, so many other elements of complicity and”
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“Listen, I think that there was no doubt that because these, first of all, we did not expect that. I mean, we, Jodie and I a couple nights before our story was published, we finally took a break and said, okay, it was about one o'clock in the morning. And we shared a cab back from Midtown Manhattan to Brooklyn where we both live. And it was a rare moment where we just kind of paused and looked at each other and said, for anybody who's done investigative reporting of any kind can probably recognize this feeling in the final hour where you stop and say, is anybody going to read this story?”
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“He tried to bully us. He tried to mansplain us in a really epic way, even in. Some of the crucial conversations like minutes before the publication of the story, he was lecturing us about journalism. Exactly.”
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“Dean McKay had laid down a marker and said, You are not talking to him off the record because that's going to give him the chance to lie with impunity. So wait, we will speak to him on our terms when we're ready, when we have all of the information. So once we did finally start doing that, it was like this living illustration of this character we had begun to study. And he was so many things.”
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“So we had had a couple of encounters with him. All leader in the reporting process, all starting in September. So basically, in the last month of countdown, and it was fascinating because I'm sure you felt this way on stories sometimes when you're reporting on somebody, you don't have a lot of contact with initially, you're hearing about them through sources. Recollections. So at that point, I had spent a lot of time listening to stories about Harvey Weinstein, both these terrifying stories about what had happened in the hotel rooms, and also just talking to his former employees, reading things about him. And so when we started dealing with him in person or on the phone, Because remember, for a long time we refused to talk to him. Right.”
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“That's right. She had been a prosecutor, sex crimes prosecutor here in New York. There was another defense attorney Elkin Abramovich, who was also there. So he comes into the Times and I lead him to a conference room and I say, you've got 15 minutes. That's it. And he pulls out these folders in which he's got photos and other information that he's going to use to try to smear his accusers and try to halt the story. And it was just, you know, of course, like, you know, when he's pulling out background information on Ashley Judd and Ombra, the woman had gone to the police in 2015. I think without knowing that Jody and I.”
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“And so I was happy to square off against him in person again. And so he came in. So he barged into the New York Times. Lisa Bloom was by his side. Linda Fairstein, who was a former commercial.”
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“Harvey and his lawyers, and you know, including Charles Harder, who sued Gawker out of existence, he was by Harvey on behalf of Peter Teal. He was by Harvey's side threatening to sue us. So yeah, there was, but there was this, a lot of that contact had taken place by phone. And then the day before Harvey, we got a call from Lannie Davis saying Harvey's on his way to the New York Times. And we were like, what? Excuse me, you know, we didn't really, he's got some information he wants to share with you off the record. And we had from the get-go, Dean Bacquet, the editor of the Times, had said, you are not talking to this guy off the record. It's all on the record because he'll just play games and try to do underhanded tactics if you allow him to go. So we kind of had this choice of what are we going to do? And because he was already on his way, you know, we just said, okay, like, let's, I was kind of like, well, let's see what this guy got. Let's see what he has. And I had interviewed him a couple weeks before for a separate story looking at some of his questionable financial activities.”
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“Ashley Judd was on the record at that point, and we had been going back and forth between sort of Jody and I and our editors and our lawyer had been, we're sort of a couple days into some intense back and forth with.”
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“And she ended up in the final hours. I mean, we've now learned sort of from these records that we've obtained the work that she was doing for Weinstein behind the scenes for so many months, both this memo, we also obtained her billing records in which she's sort of spelling out everything she got paid for. But we also were able to see her at work in the final weeks of our investigation, especially those final two days. She flew from California to New York to be by Weinstein side. And there was a moment the day before our story was published where Weinstein basically barged into the New York Times with Lisa Bloom and some other figures, including Linda Ferstein, a former sort of.”
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“Here's how I'm going to manipulate on her behalf. Here's how I'm going to smear her. And it's especially shocking because this is someone with a very loud public reputation for defending women. And she's saying, I'm going to deploy. That's your asset. Your asset is that I'm a big women's rights advocate and I'm going to deploy that on your behalf.”
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“And that memo predates our investigation. God's glory. So, right. So you've got these two famous feminist attorneys who are both involved in different ways with this situation in Lisa Bloom. Was hired by Harvey Weinstein in December twenty sixteen, and we know exactly what she was hired for because Megan obtained what's essentially her audition memo for the job. And it's this roadmap for how she's going to combat, bury Rose McGowan's allegation, which Weinstein is clearly very worried about. And she refers to the roses of the world. And it's incredibly explicit. I mean, she's basically saying in.”
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“We said Ridiculous. They always find that ridiculous. But one of the things that happened was Lisa Bloom was hired by Harvey Weinstein and wrote a memo that is just an astonishing memo for a lawyer to write, but especially a woman who is known for defending victims.”
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“Yeah, let's right the right, exactly, but that certainly did not play out. We said we'd be happy to listen to what Harvey has to say, but we're obviously going to continue our reporting. So Harvey knew what we were doing. He knew that we were on his trail. And so it wasn't until later and actually in the course of reporting this book that we started to piece together all of the different things that he put in place to try to stop our investigation and silence his accusers, including, you talk about private investigators, the black cube investigative firm like of a whole nother order made up of these former Israeli intelligence officials that were promised $300,000 bonus if they were able to bring our investigation to a halt.”
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“And sort of dangled the prospect of Harvey doing an interview with us saying, well, you know, I'm not sure if we're not 100% sure, but he may be willing to come in and talk about how he's engaged in bad behavior in the past, but he's having new recognition about power imbalances.”
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“Lanny Davis, right? So Lannie Davis was among the lawyers, in this case, he kind of doubles as a PR crisis PR person. No, he worked for Michael Cohen, who was most recently known for his representation of Michael Cohen. A lot of the people that we, there's people in this book who seem to be part of like this never-ending rotating cast of characters that appear in so many of the major stories of the day. So he had hired Lannie Davis. So Lannie Davis came in for a meeting with us at the New York Times in the summer of 2017, in which we sort of, it was our first engagement with Harvey. What you had to start to do. Yeah, right, exactly. And that was a conversation that happened on background. But a lot of what we did in this book was to bring onto the record a lot of these sort of on background or off the record meetings, for example, the ones that Jodie had with Irwin so that readers can really like get a feel. Understand the like, you know, what happens behind the scenes where there's a lot of drama that plays out on the page, but there was also in this case so much drama that happened behind the scenes. Right, exactly. So that was really, and that was an interesting meeting where Lanny came in.”
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“Yeah, that's right. And he had become aware of our investigation earlier in the summer. In fact, there was a moment when Lannie Davis, he comes off. I know Lanny.”
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“That's my question. No, I love the memo, but do you know those moments in life where you're like, you look at your cell phone and you're like, phone, don't give out on me now. Like no weird black screens, please. So I'm sitting there and I'm just screenshotting page after page of the memo. And I didn't stop to read it because I wanted to work very fast.”
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“He was pretty horrified. And I asked him to read me from the memo. And then it was his decision. He said to me, I'm going to go to the little boy's room. And he handed me his phone. And he left. He left me alone with his phone open to the memo. And I thought. He is telling me without telling me to copy this memo. So I put it in my lap. You know how sometimes at those moments you're just like”
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“Oh yeah, no, he acknowledges that he was giving me the memo. What happened? So he and I had been meeting late at night for a couple of weeks. And he had mentioned this memo that sounded interesting, but we weren't sure what was really in it. He had quoted a couple of lines to me. And at this particular meeting, I was telling him more about what had happened with the actresses because his knowledge was valid. He didn't know that, yeah. His knowledge was about, there were two strands of Weinstein victims, right? There were the actresses, and then there were the former assistants, and they were pretty separated from one another. And so I was telling him about what we had learned about the actresses without using names.”
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“In its entirety because we wanted reader. That was an astonishing letter. And we wanted them to see for themselves. But they all also have. You know, agendas of their own and things that benefit them. So to pull it down is not a natural instinct to get these people. Because like Erwin Reiter, he left his phone on a table for you”
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“To believe that his brother was suffering from sex addiction. And yeah, and that it wasn't. But he does, he also provided this letter that he had written to Harvey in 2015, two years before everything kind of blew into the public eye, in which he's basically pleading with his brother to get treatment for his quote-unquote misbehavior. And we reproduced it in the book in its entirety because we wanted readers.”
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“And had written him a letter, right? Like for so long, Bob would refuse to talk to us. You know, I would call him and he'd basically kind of bark into the phone and then hang up on me. But there was a moment last year where he finally said, okay, listen, I'll meet you for lunch at this diner here in Manhattan. And he slowly started to open up and talk about what he had seen, what he knew, at least, you know, his account of that. He acknowledged that he had been aware of allegations of sexual misconduct against his brother going back to the 90s. In a couple cases, he had provided the money that was used to silence the women. But he, like so many other people, also said that he believed Harvey when he told him that this was actually just attempts at shakedowns and this was all extramarital philandering and nothing more and that he was also informed by his own that Bob actually had brought to this kind of his own rationale that was rooted in a battle with and recovery from substance abuse that he”
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“Right, there's the separation of the victims, right? Either they are silenced through these settlements or they think it's only them, or they think it's only them. They feel shame or embarrassment over what's happened and they don't necessarily want to talk about it even if they legally are able to. And so I think that we also realize that there were people in the company, not necessarily victims themselves, but witnesses, people who had gotten glimpses of the problem over time. And so that was really especially stepping away from the first Weinstein story. It was like one of the most pressing questions for us is like, is who knew what when and what did they try to do about it? And what we were able to see is that there were, it wasn't just a ruin writer like Harvey Weinstein's own brother, Bob, gotten glimpses of this problem and written about him.”
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“Because people have pieces of things. That's one of the things that you guys brought, I think, really well is that individual people at these companies or individual women had pieces and never had been together. I think that was really effective at the end of the book, which we'll talk about in a little bit where you brought them all together, but everyone had little bit. The separation of people is always the most effective way to keep everybody quiet because you don't know all of it.”
2019-09-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "She Said" authors Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT