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Johann Hari

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“They're a Danish pharmaceutical company, so there's two companies that are kind of pushing the main drugs in this. Pushing sounds too pejorative though, you know what I mean? So Novo Nordisk, you're a Danish company. The entire Danish economy has had a massive growth because of the popularity of these drugs. Since they came out, they've become the most valuable company in Europe. The market for these drugs is predicted to be $200 billion by the end of this decade. And the other one is Eli Lilly.”
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“We teach our children to like healthy food. Don't your children like healthy food? And I was so taken aback by these kids. I brought up on my phone some pictures of typical British school dinners and showed it to them. And they literally reacted like I had shown them an Isis beheading video. They like screamed. They were like, what is this? And one said, did you eat this every day? I was like, yes, they're saying, where's the salad? I said, there is no salad. They're just completely baffled. So they partly start with this. Very strong culture creating a very deliberate culture of how to eat differently that begins at a very, very young age. There are some other steps that are a bit more dodgy that we can come to, I'm sure, but that was the kind of first pillar of it that I saw.”
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“Healthily. It's a very beautifully designed system, and it was fascinating looking at them. I mean, I got taste even. It was really weird. This is a school of a thousand children. I walked through that school all day. There was not one fat child. It's odd. Like it's jarring when you go, right? That they have extraordinarily low childhood obesity. And I remember with these kids, I was asking them their favorite foods. The first kid I asked said, my favorite food is broccoli. It's like, right. The second kid said, my favorite food is seaweed. And the third one was like, I like white rice. And I said to Chie, my translator, are these kids trolling me, right? Like, what their favorite foods are broccoli and like white rice? And she just looked kind of puzzled and every Japanese person I asked said,”
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“All of one, then all of another, then all of another. You'd have all the lasagna, then you'd have the carrots or whatever. In Japan, that's regarded as like a crazy way to eat. You have a mouthful of the misai soup. Then you have a mouthful of the white fish. Then you have a mouthful of the sashimi, and it slows your eating down massively if you eat that way. They're also taught, I remember her standing there. So the meals in all the schools are designed to be nutritionally balanced through these five components. And so she stands in front of the class and teaches the kids, you know, okay, this is a red rope. This represents calcium. What does calcium do? Because it makes your bones stronger. Yes, that's this on your plate. This represents carbohydrates. What do they do? They give you energy and the kids yell out. And then she ties the rope together and she goes, you see, now it's all tied together. Now it's a balanced meal. So they use this healthy food to educate the children about how to eat.”
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“In the school. Her job is also to use those meals to educate the children about how to eat healthily. So they teach them all sorts of key principles. One of them is in Japan. This is a very deep cultural norm. You should only eat until you're eighty percent full. So it takes a while for your body to realize you're full. So if you get the signal that you're full while you're still eating, they're like, you've eaten too much, right? So you should eat until you're 80% full and then stop. There's all sorts of norms that are very different to ours. So if you look at a typical Japanese meal, it will have five portions, significantly more than ours, but they're pretty small, right? So you might have some fish, some miso soup, a whole range of things. Which is important for your gut health because there's a bigger variety of ingredients, which makes your gut much healthier. But also you eat it differently. So if you gave us, you know, a meal with three bits.”
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“Called Coenji School, which takes kids from five to 18. And it was totally fascinating. So when I arrived there, I went with my translator. The first you arrive and all the kids walk to school on their own from the age of five, all Japanese children just leave the house and walk to school on their own. So they get a lot of exercise in the morning and they walk home on their own as well. And we were greeted at the entrance by a woman called Harumi Tatibe, who's the nutritionist at the school. By law, every Japanese school has to employ a professional nutritionist. It's a difficult qualification to get. It's three years of study on top of learning to be a teacher. And your job is to design oversee the creation of the food in the school. All processed food is banned. No one is allowed. There's no processed food in any Japanese schools ever. Every meal has to be prepared from scratch at the start of the day. And no one is allowed to bring in a packed lunch. So every kid has to eat the food that's prepared.”
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“And they're almost as fat as other Hawaiians, right? So they're five times fatter than more likely to be obese than Japanese people in Japan. So actually when the environment changes, Japanese people become obese like everyone else. So there's something else going on. So I wanted to understand how did Japan do it? And one of the really interesting things is it was very consciously done. There's a guy called Professor Barak Kushner, who's a professor of East Asian history in Cambridge University who's talked about how actually if you go back to the 1920s, Japanese people had one of the worst diets in the world. They only ate protein once a week. They almost never ate fish, right? They only ate fish once a week. They had a terrible diet. And the Japanese government at the time wanted a healthy population so they could form armies that would go and invade the rest of Asia. So they deliberately transformed the food culture in Japan very consciously. So I want to see how do they do that now, right? What's going on? So I went to a school.”
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“1.5% obese, 70% are obese or overweight, right? Jesus, the norm is to be obese or overweight, right? Whereas in Japan, it's completely the opposite. It's kind of weird that when we picture Japan, we often picture sumo wrestlers. It's a bit like expecting the average American to look like a bald eagle or something. And I learned a huge amount about what's happening there. So the first thing you think when you hear that is it must just be genetic, right? They just won the genetic lottery. That must be what's going on. But we know that's not true because in the late 19th century, loads of Japanese people went to live in Hawaii, where I just was. And there's now this settled Japanese population in Hawaii who've been there for four or five generations.”
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“Japan is really important, I think, for thinking about how we get out of this trap because at the moment the way it's often presented is, look, we're just screwed, right? There's just this huge obese population, that's the product of being rich if you're a rich country, you've got lots of calories around you. Inevitably, we're going to have loads of obesity and inevitably we're just going to need to give loads and loads of people these drugs forever and a few years from now, as many people predicted to me, we'll have 40%, 50% of the population taking these weight loss drugs, right? And what Japan showed us is we don't have to choose that fate, right? So if you look at Japan, Japan is the only country that got rich without getting fat. 4.5% of Japanese people are obese compared to 26% in Britain and 42.5% in the United States.”
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“If you're a politician, you're constantly making a calculation, right? If I do this thing, how much praise will I get and how much shit will I get for it, right? And, you know, some of them are good people, many of them are good people, but you're constantly making that calculation in a democracy. And right now, if you do the right thing on food, and there are loads of things we do, I saw in Japan we can go down the list of all the things we need to do that could transform health, particularly for our children, you'd get some praise, but you get a lot of shit, right? You get a lot of shit for it. And for many years in my life, I would have been one of the people who gave them that shit, right? So I understand it. We have to change that calculation by helping people understand and make better choices in ways that I saw happen. So I can explain how they did it if you want.”
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“Only 12% of British people will smoke. It will be falling and the British government will be about to progressively ban smoking. You won't be allowed to smoke indoors anywhere except your own home. The rates will have tanked. Young people, there'll be almost no cigarette smoking among young people and they're going to progressively ban it by age. That would have seemed ludicrous, right? You would have said, well, tobacco industry is one of the most powerful industries in the whole world. You've got a very motivated, half the population are addicted. It's never going to happen. These things can change. That's a huge public health transformation in a very short period of time. These things can change and I've seen how it can change with food so that we're not in this situation where we have to choose as we are at the moment for many of us, not all, between the risk of obesity and the 12 big risks associated with these drugs.”
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“I think. I was with my mother when it was the anniversary a few years ago. And so it was a terrible disaster. There was a fire someone had put out a cigarette near an escalator and it killed more than 50 people. It was awful. And my mother said, oh, that was the worst day of my life. And I said, oh, were you there? Did you know someone who died? She said, no, that's the day they banned smoking on the tube. So if I could take you back and I said to you, right, however many years we are on from that now.”
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“She's breastfeeding me about six months old. She's smoking and resting the ashtray on my stomach. And when I showed her this photo, I thought she'd feel guilty. She said, you are a fucking difficult baby. I needed that cigarette. But you think about that, that was normal, right? I mean, in Scotland, that was normal when I was a kid, right? So you think about smoking. When I was seven years old, more than half of the population of Britain smoked, right? And people smoked everywhere. People smoked on the tube people smoked on planes. People smoked on game shows. The doctor would smoke while he was examining you. I'm not joking. I remember that happening, right? So if I could take you back to the Britain of 1987 and you could walk around, you would just, you would feel sick because the smell of smoke was everywhere, right? And there were just ashtrays everywhere. Funnily enough, I was with my mother when it was the anniversary of there was a terrible catastrophic fire at King's Cross Station here in London in 1987.”
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“Right to feel pessimistic, someone as charismatic and brilliant as Michelle Obama could not even get us to join a campaign to physically move. So I get it. There's big obstacles here. But when you feel pessimistic about it, the first thing I would say is think about smoking, right? My mother smokes seventy cigarettes a day. There's a photograph of me and her where I'm”
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“So crucially I went to a country that had completely transformed its diet and as a result has very low obesity. Japan, we can talk about that. And I went to loads of countries that are making the changes you're talking about. So prompt me to come back to that. But I would start by saying, A, you're totally right. We live in an obesergetic environment. An obesogenic environment is an environment that primes you to be obese and where it is hard to be a healthy weight, right? It's hard to get healthy food. Healthy food is expensive and rare, whereas shitty food that makes UBE is cheap, abundant, and constantly promoted to you, right? So that's an obesogenic environment. And there's loads of evidence that, well, as Professor Michael Lowe put it to me, we live in as obesogenic an environment as human beings could possibly design, right? And there's seven ways in which processed food undermines your ability to stop eating that I go through in the book. So if you're feeling pessimistic and I'm clearly...”
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“60% of the women. And it was like, well, how could this be? He was really puzzled. And Susan explained it to him really well. She said, overweight is overlooked and that's what I need to be, right? If you're severely overweight, you're much less likely to be sexually attacked, right? It obviously can happen, but it's rarer. And when you understand that, you begin to see again in relation to these drugs. Why some people get really freaked out when they take these drugs? Because some of them experience it as suddenly, oh my God, I'm really vulnerable to this traumatic event being reenacted again and again. Now, that's one example. There's lots of, we go down the list of reasons why people eat like I do in the book. There's lots of other ones that get triggered and activated and disrupted as well.”
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“What happened? As she looked down she was obviously really ashamed, she said, I don't know, I don't know. He said, Well, tell me about that day, right? The day you cracked. Did anything happen that day that didn't happen any other day? It turns out something happened that day that had never happened to Susan before. She was in a bar and a man hit on her. Not in a nasty way, in quite a nice way, but she just felt completely freaked out and she went and started eating. And that's when Dr. Feliti said to her, well, Susan, when did you start gaining weight? In her case, I think it was when she was 10. He said, well, did anything happen when you were 10 that didn't happen when you were nine or eleven or anything happened that year? She looked down and said, well, that's where my grandfather started raping me.”
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“She cracked. She went to KFC or wherever it was. She starts obsessively eating. And after a while she's back where she was. Not exactly where she'd been, but similar. Dr. Feli called her in, he said, Susan.”
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“Sitting there working with them, he's thinking, What can I do? And he had an idea that sounds and actually is quite stupid. He said, well, what would happen if really obese people literally stopped eating and we medically supervised it and we gave them vitamin shots so they didn't get like scurvy or whatever, would they burn through the fat stores in their body and get back to a healthy weight? So with a shitload of medical supervision, they did it. And incredibly at first it worked. There was a woman who I called Susan. That's not her real name who went from being more than £400 to £138. It was incredible, right? And, you know, her family are ringing the doctor and saying you saved Susan's life. She's really thrilled. And then one day something happened that no one expected.”
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“Obesity was massively rising, actually, it was very low by our standards, but it was hugely rising. And they were trying giving people diet plans and exercise plans and nothing was working. And they said, look, we don't know what to do. Can we give you a load of money to just do blue skies research, go away, figure out what we can do? And he said, okay. So we took a load of money. And then he's like, what can I do? And he started working with 200 very, very obese people, people who were severely obese, who had tried all sorts of ways to cut back and it hadn't worked”
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“Oh, yeah, I mean, a guy that I got to know quite well when I worked on Lost Connections and I thought about this research in a different light when I worked on this book. There's a guy called Dr. Vincent Feliti. And in the early 1980s, he was a doctor in San Diego and he was contacted by Kaiser Permanente, who were a big not-for-profit medical provider in the state. And they said to him, Look, we've got a problem, we don't know what to do.”
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“How incredibly complex this is every time you look at one effect, it seems to have another effect. This is a really complicated, difficult topic. And anyone who's coming in telling you either, rah, rah, these drugs are great and they're going to save us all, or these drugs are devils. It's terrible. I don't think it's leveling with people. I think it's complicated. I think there's risks at every turn. And I think we need to think through the complexity together in a way that's honest and honors the complexity.”
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“I sat there I am thinking Oh shit I can't eat this remember Colonel Saunders was on the wall looking down and it was like he was going to be What happened to my best customer right? So being deprived of comfort eating is quite apart from being deprived of pleasure which I think is sort of related but a bit different is very difficult and again my friend who I spoken to had cancer went to her and said this is really hard right and she said Look, it's not that the drug is causing this problem the drug is making this problem visible to you and now you can deal with that in other ways, right? And that's what I've been trying to do right about how in the book but yeah so one of the things that fascinated me about all the research for my book Magic Pill was”
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“The underlying psychological reasons that drove your eating are profoundly disrupted and in many cases come to the surface. And for me, that was painful at first, but helpful. I remember having a day in Vegas. As you know, I'd spend a lot of time in Vegas coming writing a book about a series of crimes that have been happening there. I had day while I was investigating something really grim and I felt really bad and it was relating to someone. It's a long story, but something terrible. And I went to the KFC on West Sahara. It's the grimmest KFC in the whole world. I have a secret love for it. And on a kind of autopilot, Ordered what I would always have ordered a load of fried chicken”
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“Well, she had this shift where she'd never been much of a drinker, she had a period when she was at college where she drank a fair bit, but, you know, she'd never been a heavy drinker. And she just quite rapidly became a very full-blown alcoholic. She used to work out by the airport in Toronto, and she would, you know, drink on the way there, drink on the way back. And she got fired because she was drunk at work eventually. And for her, she kind of realized, you know, and I think it's interesting ways of thinking about this in relation to these drugs. Want to stress this is not going to be everyone. I don't think there's even going to be a majority of people by any means. When you take these drugs,”
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“Fascinating and distressing, and obviously I spoke to people who'd been through those, what's called an addiction transfer. I spoke to this amazing woman called Robin Moore, who had been £303. She'd had bariatric surgery because just nothing else had worked and she felt she was really a slave to food. That was how she put it. Had this incredible effect. She knew why she had gained weight so much. In her case, when she was a child, she had been sexually abused, she'd been raped, and she'd never told anyone. And she quite deliberately gained weight in order to keep men away from her. She thought, well, if I'm really fat, I'm less likely to be attacked, which is surprisingly common. And she lost all this weight and she felt great. She felt physically much better. People were treating her much better”
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“That goes well, you can rebuild your life, you can find other ways to get that soothing, and that's really valuable and important. But a lot of people just experience it as profoundly painful and distressing. And I interviewed a lot of people like that.”
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“So, a lot of people are much happier. Most people who have that surgery are glad. But 17% of people who have that surgery have to have inpatient psychiatric treatment afterwards because they're so depressed or distressed. Your chances of committing suicide almost quadruple after you've had bariatric surgery. And I think there's lots of reasons why some of it must be the grimness of the operation and the aftermath. But I think a lot of it is, you know, you take away comfort eating from people, right? If you go through life, especially people who've had gastric band surgery or the other surgeries, you know, those are people who were very severely obese, so they will have had this effect very powerfully in their lives, most of them. If you take away something that is a key way of soothing people,”
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“And so I think you have to look at the evidence from gastric surgery. And in some ways, it's very encouraging. So we know that gastric band surgery and other forms of gastric surgery massively boost your health. If you have one of these operations, over the next seven years, you are 56% less likely to die of a heart attack, 60% less likely to die of cancer, and 92% less likely to die of diabetes-related causes. In fact, it's so good for your health, you are 40% less likely to die of any cause over the next seven years, right? So we know reversing obesity massively boosts physical health in most cases, right? Sometimes very dramatically. But we also know from bariatric surgery, there's plenty of downsides to bariatric surgery, it's a horrendous operation and one in a thousand people die during the operation is grim. But we also know where I think it's really important to the thing you're asking about is that it has an effect on your psychology.”
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“There's four different kinds of it, but it's basically what we think of a stomach stapling stomach operation. Exactly. That's one form of it, right?”
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“Pizzas and fried chicken. The night Trump won the election in blue states on Uber Eats and the other kind of delivery apps. There was a massive increase in people ordering tacos, you know, shitty food, right? If you're a man and you lose your job, your chances of gaining weight massively increased, partly because it's so upsetting and you eat to comfort yourself. And one of the things that happens when you take these drugs is your ability to comfort is taken away from you. You can't comfort. And we've got a good analogy, I think, or a good precedent for helping us think about how that affects you. So the best comparison for these drugs, if we're trying to figure out their effects, I think is bariatric surgery, right? So up to now, it was very hard to sustainably lose like more than 20% of your body weight. The only way it was possible to do it very quickly was bariatric surgeries. I think we have to look at the outcomes. That's stomach stapling.”
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“I felt quite muted in my emotions, I thought. I definitely wasn't depressed, but I felt A little bit dulled as strange. I thought maybe it's just other things going on in my life you never know when it's just an individual. But lots of people are reporting this. Most people are very happy when they take drugs, but there's a significant minority. And so I started looking at exactly this question, the psychology of eating. And it turns out there's kind of five, the scientific evidence for five reasons why we eat. And obviously the first and most important one is sustenance, right? I would have thought if you'd asked me a year ago, why do you eat? I would have said, well, the main reason is to sustain my body. But here I am eating so much less than my body is sustained. So all those other calories I was consuming were doing something else, right? And one of the things, one of the reasons we, I mean, another one is pleasure, which we've talked about. But another reason why people eat is comfort, right? People get a tremendous amount of comfort out of food, particularly overeating can be very comforting. We know this partly because whenever there's a stressful event, junk food orders massively go up. After 9-11, there was a huge increase in ordering people.”
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“Pretty straight linear line downwards from the start. But I had this strange sensation from my friend Danielle was pregnant at the time. I kept bumping into her and it was like we were on opposite trajectories. Like she was swelling and I was shrinking. I remember walking away from her once and thinking this is really weird. I'm getting what I want. Why don't I feel better about this? I didn't actually feel that much better for quite a long time, for about six months. Thinking, why is that? So what do you”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're totally right. And this is when I go through the 12 risks of the drugs in the book. This is one that I really worried about, one that played out for me. So I noticed I had this weird thing about six months into taking the drug, I had this realization. So I was losing a lot of weight, right? I lost a huge amount of weight. I lost three stone From now to when I started, so I just over a year”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So actually, that's why at evolution prepared us that, oh, if you gain weight, fight to hold it because sooner or later you're going to have to lose. At any given time, 17% of people are on a diet. We've really tried that route, right? We've had 40 years of relentlessly promoting dieting as the diet and exercise is the only solution. And we've gotten fatter and fatter and fatter. So there's something missing in that picture. I think it's partly set point theory. It's also important for the drugs because some people argue, like the guy I mentioned before in relation to the brain, Professor Aurelio Galli, some of them argue that what the drug may be doing is actually resetting your biological set point, lowering the kind of temperature at which your body tries to keep your weight. It's bringing your set point down so that you don't get those effects like the metabolism slowing and all the other things that kick in when you try to lose weight.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That just seems bizarre. Why would evolution endow us with that? That's such a maladaptation, right? Why would it be? And they explained to me, well, you have to think about the circumstances where we evolved. In the circumstances where humans evolved, in fact, every human circumstance pretty much until like 100 years ago, there was never a situation where you would have completely abundant calories. In fact, hyperabundant calories for your whole life, you'd have far more calories around you than you could ever possibly eat. That never happened. So your body didn't, evolution didn't prepare us with good instincts for that. What you did have, what was a big risk, was famine, right? There was a big risk that at some point in your life, food would run out and you would be in real trouble. And in a famine, the fattest person at the start is going to be the last man standing, right? Timothy Chalamay will die in week one of a famine. And John Candy will still be alive at the end of it. Not a great example because John Candy has died, but you get the point.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As you gain weight, your body's set point rises, right? So let's say my body wanted me to be 18% body fat. As I get to 30% body fat, my body will then fight very hard to keep me at that higher level, right? Which seems really weird at first. Why would that be? So let's say you gained three stone, right? And then you tried to lose weight, we'd have to think of a hypothetical, Robert De Niro for the movie Raging Bull gained, you know, three or four stone, right? And then tried to cut back. But what you'd find was your metabolism would massively slow down. So you would have to burn far more to get the same number of calories as you do now. You would crave far more sweet and salty foods. You would have lower energy, so you would find it harder to exercise. So your set point has risen and it's trying to keep you there. And I remember saying to loads of scientists, well,”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Then the obesity crisis happened starting in the late 70s, early 80s. There's a huge weight rise in such a large part of the population. And it looked like Oset point theory is just wrong, right? That can't be correct because if it was true, then you couldn't possibly have this. But then Professor Lowe at Drexel and other places and other people discovered what is really happening in my view. I think produced very compelling evidence for this.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Fever, or if we go to the Sahara Desert, our body will work really hard involuntarily to bring us down. It will make us sweat. It'll make us really uncomfortable. And again, also if your temperature goes below the temperature we're currently at, your body will start to shiver. Again, it will make you really crave heat, right? So your body has a set level at which it keeps your temperature and it works extremely hard to keep you in that zone for your whole life. And it was thought for a long time that your weight was a bit like that. that when you're born or possibly even in the womb, you have a biological set point for your weight that remains the same throughout your life. And you can go a bit higher or a bit lower, but basically you're fixed there.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, how can that be? Because we know you only have to know the laws of physics to know if you consume fewer calories than you burn, obviously you will lose weight. To dispute that, you have to dispute the laws of physics, right? So how can it be that these people are dieting but they're not losing weight? And Resser Mann and other people explain to me something that's sort of missing in this picture that I think really helps us to understand it and is actually important for understanding these drugs, I think. A lot of the scientists explained that there are biological changes that happen as you gain weight which make it harder for you to find your way back in a way that you can sustain. So in the 60s and 70s there was this theory about weight that was almost universally accepted. It's called set point theory. It sounds a bit complex, but it's pretty simple. If you think about your temperature, your body temperature, right? Your body wants you to be at the temperature you and me are at right now, right? And if our temperature goes higher than that, if we get a”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“After two years the average person on a diet has lost two pounds in weight, right? So it's nothing, but it's pretty close to nothing, right? It's extraordinarily low. So what we know from the research on dieting is there's a very small number of people, around 10% of people who really do lose huge amounts of weight on diets and keep it off. We all know people like that. I've got someone in my family like that, right? But for the vast majority of people, it doesn't work. And I remember saying to Professor Mann and loads of other scientists who've looked at this.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Big, it's called a meta-analysis. And she discovered something a bit weird, which is most of these studies, the overwhelming majority, would follow people who were on a diet for three months. So you exercise your willpower, you go on a diet for three months, you lose a load of weight, and then they just stopped. And the implication was you stay at that lower rate forever. She'd be like, I know quite a lot of people who are not in that position. That doesn't happen to them. So she looked in more detail and discovered there were 24 studies that had followed dieters not just over this short period, but for two years and in a handful of cases, five years. And when you look at the longer picture, the picture is really different.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Why am I not doing that, right? And I really began to get an insight into this when I went to interview an amazing person called Professor Tracy Mann, who's in Minneapolis where I met her, who's done some of the most important research on diet ever. Actually, I met her, I interviewed her in a place called Isles Bunn, which is a cinnamon bun shop, famous cinnamon bun shop in Minneapolis. When I arrived, the guy on the door said, have you ever been here before? And I said, no. And he said, oh, we'll give you a free cinnamon bun then. He gave me this like 2,000 calorie massive cinnamon bun that sat there the whole time we were talking about diets. And Professor Mann, she began to research this in the year 2000. And she wanted to figure out how much do diets work, right? Are they effective? And at that time, the science was very clear. Diets are really effective. If you go on a diet, you will lose weight, right? But she's looking at all these studies, almost 24,000 studies, and she noticed as part of this.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, this was completely the voice in my head. I remember another one of my friends when I was at dinner and I was doing this. I've been talking through everything I've been learning and I was talking about, you know, what you got away here, I thought, was the risks of obesity, which are really disturbing when you learn about them. I was actually surprised. We all know obesity is not good for your health. I was actually stunned when you look at the evidence about how bad obesity is for you in relation to not just diabetes, but cancer, dementia across the board. We can come back to that. So I was like, well, you've got to weigh these risks of obesity against the risks of these drugs. And I learned that there are 12 significant risks associated with these drugs. And he said, what are you talking about? You haven't got to weigh those risks at all. There's a third option. Go on a diet, exercise, right? And he said, I've seen you do it. You've done it plenty of times, right? Do that. And of course I had this voice in my head. I thought I was cheating. And I thought, well, why don't I do?”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“By the time we achieve that, I'm going to be dead. We're not going to get there in the next few years, and I want to live. And I found that. I found it hard to dispute.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Make it the law that you've got to have sprinklers. And of course, I agree. But the first thing you've got to do is put out the fire in your house, right? And then after that conversation, it was just after it. I met a guy called Jeff Parker. He's in San Francisco. He's a 66-year-old lighting designer who was about 16 stone when he first started taking weight loss drugs. And he was in real trouble. He had heart problems, liver problems, kidney problems. It was very painful for him to walk. And it got Munjaro, which is the next generation up of these weight loss drugs. And he lost loads of weight and all his health problems reversed. And now he walks his dog over the Golden Gate Bridge every day and is really happy and said, look, I feel like now I'm going to enjoy my retirement. And I said to him, but Jeff,”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Causes of social problems, I can see very clearly the cause of this problem. And this is just sort of dealing with the symptom. And she said to me, look, Johan. Can stop taking this drug, that's fine. Do it if you want to. But when I had cancer, we know there is something in the environment that is triggering breast cancer in women, right? One in seven women in Britain now get breast cancer. That didn't happen in the past. It's not happening in Japan where it's only one in 38 women. Something is really wrong in Britain and the US in the way we're living that is triggering breast cancer, right? But she said to me, you didn't say to me when I got breast cancer, well, fuck me. All this environmental problem has caused this breast cancer and now you want to inject yourself with another poison chemotherapy in order to deal with it. No, you said, okay, we've got an environmental problem. Obviously that environmental problem needs to be dealt with. But you've got to stay alive or you can't deal with it, right? The analogy she gave me that really helped me was she said if your house is on fire, right, you could say, well, look, we need to build houses that aren't made of flammable materials and we should.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Satiety hormones, they give you back a sense of being full. And in a way, at first, I thought. Well, that makes the whole thing seem crazy, right? Because there's a guy called Michael Lowe, brilliant professor at Drexel University in Philly, he said to me, look, you've got to understand, these drugs are an artificial solution to an artificial problem. We've artificially created this problem through a catastrophic food system that is screwing us up from childhood. And then along come these drugs as the artificial solution to that. And the first thing you think is, right, we've got to deal with the food system, right? And that is absolutely true and correct. And I remember going to one of my closest friends, I call her Judy in the book. It's not a real name, who, you know, she'd had cancer seven years before. So I'd been with her all through that kind of really grueling process. And it was an absolute nightmare because she's a single mom. And you can imagine that was. And I said to her, I feel like a complete fraud taking these drugs, right? I'm always talking about how we need to deal with the...”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As we know, as I know in my own life, right, my KFC obsession had obvious negative consequences in my life. And the reason this is so important in relation to these drugs, so for a long time I was looking at two things, right? I was looking at why did we so many of us gain so much weight so rapidly obesity has trebled globally in my lifetime, right? Completely unprecedented human history. Why did that happen? And how do these drugs work? And at first I thought they were like parallel lines, right? But actually I realized they were like kind of braided plaits. The answer is completely densely interconnected. What we know is the kind of food we eat profoundly undermines our sense of society. It completely disrupts just like it did with the rats. We don't get that signal. You're full. You've had enough. Stop from the kind of food we're eating. What these drugs do is they restore a sense of society. Correl La Rue, another one of the key scientists who developed these drugs, said to me, what these drugs give you is...”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What would happen that they would eat a lot more of the kind of natural food than they had before? And this would prove that junk food expands your appetites. That isn't what happened. What happened was much worse. They completely shunned the natural food. It was like they no longer recognized it as food at all. They just refused to eat it. They starved. And it was only when they were really starving that they went back to eating the natural food. There's lots of human examples of this, but something, as Professor Gerald Mann, who's a nutritionist at Harvard, said to me, there's something about the food we're eating, which I think you're getting at in that question, which is undermining our ability to know when to stop, which is how we got to the point where so many people, 47% of Americans want to take a drug that will make them stop.”
2024-04-29 · The Diary of a CEO · Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Increases This Disease By A Factor Of 9! They're Lying To You About Ozempic Side Effects & What It's Doing To Our Brains! - Johann Hari · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT