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  1. “Because for them, rare diseases were their business. They knew this would become and it did become their most expensive development program ever. Hundreds of millions of dollars, a very difficult program, very difficult drug to make medicine to make. Lots of challenges when I was at, I stayed at Gen Zyme. I was senior vice president of therapeutics at Gen Zyme.”

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  2. “Entrepreneur with a real passion for people living with these diseases, but still it was a big company. And it was our competitor. That is what the case study was about. So the HBS case study Novozyme, a father's love, was the choice that I had presented to our venture investors one year into that business. Do we sell the company to Genzyme or do I do a large partnership with a deal that we had negotiated with Genentech, which would have brought them into the rare diseases? Decided to sell the company to Gen Zine because I knew what Genzyme as much as I respect Genentech. Genzyme, this program had to succeed. So, what we ended up doing is.”

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  3. “That company ended up becoming very successful, attracting within a year the attention of a lot of people. And I think it was successful, Tim, because we literally did not know what we were doing. I was 30, whatever, 32 years old. Yeah, I had some good degrees in an education, but I had no idea how to be an entrepreneur. Certainly had no idea what you do as a biotech CEO. So I made it up. And because of that, we broke so many of the conventional rules. I think that's why we were able to be time as well as nature. So by the fall of 01, we said, I need more money and I need more manufacturing, capabilities to actually make this drug. It was starting to show some promise in some early science results in the labs. And so made the decision that we would sell the company. We sold it to Genzyme at the time the largest rare disease biotech company in the world, founded by Henry Tremier and a magnificent online.”

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  4. “Tier one. Yeah, yeah. Tier one. Oh, yeah, top tier. NEA came in right after them. So Ended up happening, we started this little company and we started that in March of 2000. Within a year we had some early success. Yes, I put the early money in. We then raised angel money, raised $1.2 million from 37 individuals. I mean, literally knocking on doors of people who I thought might be qualified investors. In Oklahoma and New Jersey, it was family, it was friends. We did that probably the toughest money I've ever raised, but it gave us breathing room, gave us room to do some research. We began discovering a treatment what we had to do was to make an enzyme therapy, to basically replace the enzyme that Megan and Patrick and people living with pump A couldn't make.”

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  5. “I still had all the student loans, but we had had a house, had a little bit of equity, the real estate market in New Jersey was doing well at the time. So, of course, what do you do? You took a home equity loan. So the first money into the company, we took $100,000 home equity loan, all the equity in our house. Thought that would last a long time. It didn't, then met payroll with the Visa and a MasterCard. Very prestigious venture firms, a Visa and MasterCard.”

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  6. “Were ventilated dependent and wheelchair bound. Science was beginning to show some promise. We realized early on that it was going to be a race against time as much as it was going to be against nature. So after two years of doing that, by 2000 and their working at Bristol Myers, I had a choice. Either we could do this full time or we could, you know, let nature run its course. And again, we were so determined. So I quit my job at Berlin.”

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  7. “Position in marketing, good health insurance, I had some great mentors there. I did not go to Bristol Myers to learn kind of a boot camp of how do you run a biotech or biopharma company? I did it because it was in New Jersey. It was a good job, good health insurance, good people. But at nights and on the weekends kept raising money for the not-for-profit, raising awareness of the disease. And in the midst of that, struggling to keep Megan and Patrick alive. Megan first and then Patrick her ability to eat went away within a few months. She had to be tube-fed. Her ability to breathe went away by the fall of 98. She had small pneumonia. She almost died in the hospital, had to be ventilated. Then six months later, we went through all the same thing with Patrick. And he had to be ventilated. So within a year, we went from kids that were perfectly healthy, normal to two little kids who”

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  8. “You know, we were just determined. I had mentioned that we went through the shock, the grief, the denial, all of that very quickly. We very quickly settled on determination. We didn't know that we could ever change the course of their disease, but I didn't want to have to live the rest of our lives wishing that we had tried. So we said we would try. And we tried through the not-for-profit world. We raised money, eventually found a researcher with some very exciting science at the University of Oklahoma, a medical research center out there. He couldn't get any traction raising money, wanted to start a small company. I tried to introduce him to entrepreneurs, funders. Nothing by that point. We had already moved back to New Jersey. I was working for a big pharmaceutical company, Bristol Myers Squib.”

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  9. “Find some of the doctors, we help raise money for some not for profit foundations to bring some more research money in, raise about a million dollars in not-for-profit money in about a year in the course of that year though from Megan and then Patrick's diagnosis, which came about a month later, confirmed that he had the disease, even though there was only a one in four chance that he would.”

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  10. “So, you know, Tim, right that day after that Friday, the 13th after Megan was diagnosed, I took the next couple of weeks and really dug deep into, you know, what was this disease, this Pompeii disease that we had never heard of? It is one of 50 or so muscular dystrophies, started to figure out who are the leading scientists working in it. They were very few. A couple here in the States principally wanted Duke University and a team over in Rotterdam in the Netherlands. And I began to reach out to them. began to take Megan to see them. And that was hard too because we had a newborn at home. We had a three-year-old at home. And I had a job a year out of business school that was expecting me to work 100 hours a week, you know, on an easy week. But this, you know, had to take priority. This was the most urgent matter, as you can think about, that you could imagine. Look, I'll give you the somewhat brief version of it. We go through all of this.”

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  11. “And I found that there was a doctor, a Duke University, there's a little bit of research being done. In fact, he had just published a month earlier a paper showing that he could correct the disease in some animal models of the disease. And I was so excited and I woke Eileen up. And I'm explaining, I'm rattling off this science. I know anything about science. And she looked at me like, what are you even talking about? What does it mean? I said, I think Eileen, it means there may be some hope. So that was a long day. It was a Friday the 13th. Never forget that.”

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  12. “Near Oakland at the time, just in stunned silence. We then, even just that night, we went through, I got walking through the door at the house, seeing Megan sitting there in her high chair. I couldn't even look at her. We went through that night, the shock, the grief, the denial, a lot of tears. And then Eileen went to bed and I kind of stayed up late. You know, Google wasn't even around, but I did some internet searching.”

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  13. “And his hands are shaking, and he's reading basically reading a textbook to us describing the disease. And he tells us Meghan has a genetic defect where she can't make a certain enzyme. And without that enzyme, she can't break down glycogen steward in the muscle, which, as you know, is stored until it's converted to glucose and used as muscle energy. Because of that, it's ravaging our muscles. And now we're just in shock. And then I said, Doc, how serious? He said, I don't think she'll live another year. And then he said We had Patrick with us. He was seven days old. He was in the car carrier. He said, and your son Patrick should be tested too. There's a 25% chance he may have the disease as well. I got to tell you, we went through that car ride Tim Holm back. We were living in Walnut Creek.”

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  14. “Patrick was born March 6, 1998. Seven days later, we're asked to come to the neurologist office at Oakland Children's Hospital across the bay here. And we're told all the tests came back on Megan, who was then 15 months old, and that she had a rare neuromuscular disease called Pompeii disease. I'd never heard of it. There's no history of it in the family. Eileen and I were silent carriers. You know, any person is a carrier generally for maybe a dozen or so serious genetic diseases, but does it manifest until you happen to make a baby with somebody else who has that? And even then, oftentimes just a one in four chance. So no health history in our families. And then we asked the doctor, is it serious? He says, yes, it's very serious.”

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  15. “Worked with a consulting firm out here in the Bay Area doing business strategy consulting, a lot, a lot of hours, but great people. And it's kind of what I signed up for. What we didn't sign up for is by a year of age. Doing the things that a kid typically should do by nine or 12 months of age. She wasn't pulling up in the crib. She wasn't taking her first steps. So from pediatrician to neurologist to next neurologist to blood work to biopsies. Now by this point, early 1998, Eileen is pregnant with our third child, Patrick.”

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  16. “So I graduated business school then in 1997. By that point, our son John was about three years old. Our daughter Megan, John was actually Tim two and a half. Megan was six months old. So we had Megan while we were in business school. About six months after we graduated, we realized by a year of age Megan, we had moved out here to the Bay Area in California. You know, life was great. I had a lot of student loans, but we had a great job. We had a life. And this is starting the American dream, if you will.”

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  17. “But it's a great way to learn. And oftentimes we'd have the real executives or entrepreneurs in the class to teach us. A couple of years after I graduated, they actually wrote an HBS case study about our journey in life. So it's called a father's love.”

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  18. “So then finally he starts writing the equations I'm giving them down. Then he just puts the chalk down and turns around and just looks at me And then I just looked at him, and it was this kind of awkward moment, and he just smiles in kind of a fatherly way. And I just said, well, Professor, when I applied, I was told there would be no math. And there's this awkward moment. I'm like, nobody's laughing. And then everybody burst out. And it really diffused the tension.”

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  19. “Professor, yes, I'm here. I'm like, he's like, John, what do you think donner drilling should do? So I start laying out a strategy, a plan. And he's up there. And now I got to get to the math. So the equation, he's putting it all up there on the board and he's laying it out. And it, when it just makes no sense. And he's a nice guy, very patient. He starts looking back at me in the class, okay? And whenever a professor says, okay. Probably not going down the right”

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  20. “Now, what they do is they begin with a cold call. So you don't know somebody's going to get called done. But unlike in law school, it's not a quick give and take in multiple cold calls every class, one person is selected randomly to begin the case and for a good twenty minutes lay it out before the class then participates. So one of the great things about business school and especially how they taught it up at HBS. Is the students are in many ways teaching each other. It's a discussion So I get, of course, first class, first case. Why don't we have start us off John Crowley? John, are you here? And I'm in the top deck and I'm like, oh, God.”

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  21. “This is what I came here for. And I'm looking at it, and the first thing I look, oh my God, I'm looking at the math that I got to do on this. So you study this, and it's real life. It's an actual case study that a professor, usually with a research assistant, has gone out and interviewed the business person, entrepreneur, and taken the issue that they had and distilled it down to a case study for students. So now you prepare. You go into the class. 80 of us first year section Steve Wheelwright, never forget the name, great guy, professor out there, the dean of the MBA program is teaching it, just a legend at HBS. Brilliant, brilliant man.”

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  22. “So you show up at most colleges, most schools. What do you do? You go get all your textbooks, right? At HBS, our first year at the business school, we didn't have any textbooks. You instead go to the case distribution office. And I don't know how they do it now, but 20 years ago, every class was one case. In your course of two years study, you will do 800 case studies. So I'll give you an example. So first day, first class, it was technology and operations management, kind of a tech ops manufacturing type course. Now, having been a lawyer and spent most of my life avoiding math and science, I get this case. I'm like, all right, I got to do this. I got to get it together. So it was a case called Donner Drilling. Never forget about it. Company, their manufacturing widgets or whatever they're making, and we had to calculate the optimum throughput for manufacturing for the most cost effective and efficient manufacturing process. So I'm excited. I'm like, this is real business.”

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  23. “We made some of the greatest friends that we still have today. And what was neat about the business school up there, what's, I think, very different about business versus law in terms of the education, we spent a lot of time understanding through the case study method, of course, in business school, how to businesses really work, at least as best as you can in a case study method.”

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  24. “Was a litigator as a trial attorney. So I did that for a couple of years. Great people, great firm. I was just kind of itching for something else. And on a lark, I applied to business school and the people up at Harvard, I still think it was a clerical error, but they were accepted us. We were married, Eileen and I. We had a one-year-old, a nice house, nice life in Indianapolis and picked it all up to move to Boston. And it was one of the best decisions we ever made.”

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  25. “Interview. I have a blue shirt on. You ask, do I want green, orange, or yellow? I said, well, yellow looks like gold. I'll take blue and gold. It's great. Now I really got to love Notre Dame. My daughter, Megan's a sophomore there. So we'll talk more about Megan a little bit. It was great. And then I practiced law for a few years after that, did a great firm in Indianapolis. I get bored sometimes real easily with things”

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  26. “I still have that helmet, Tim, and that memory and the affection, affinity, respect for a place like Notre Dame carried with me. But I came down to, you know, had a couple of schools to choose from. Notre Dame was one of them. I'd never been to South Bend. I didn't have the money to go visit by the end of college, literally. So I said, well, it's now or never. So I checked the box, sent in a hundred dollar deposit, and said, well, I'm going to Notre Dame Law School. And I did.”

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  27. “So I said to my dad, I said, Dad, this is great. And he smiled. I said, Yeah, I'll never forget this. I said, Dad, I want one of those gold helmets. He said, tomorrow we're going to Sears and Hackensec, New Jersey, and we're going to get the gold helmet. I said, great. So we go the next day, go to the football helmet section in the athletic department there. And I'm looking. I'm like, dad, there's no gold helmet. He said, no, no, this is how you do it. So he takes a generic helmet off the shelf, goes to the hardware section, gets a can of gold spray paint And he says, We're going to spray paint it. That's how you make a Notre Dame helmet. So we go home, we spray paint it together, and I had my Notre Dame helmet. That was January 2nd, 1975. My dad died 10 days later.”

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  28. “My dad said, Oh, we got to watch a football. I said, Dad, I don't want to watch a football game. He goes, No, no, it's Notre Dame. I'm like, What is that? He's like, watch. Now, my dad was one of the subway alums, meaning he never went to Notre Dame, never went to college, never even went to South Bend, Indiana. But he just loved the school, loved the spirit tradition, all of that. All right. So I kind of whined and complained, and I watched it. It was the Sugar Bowl 1975, Notre Dame versus Alabama. So we're watching this game. And all of a sudden, I'm cheering by the end of it. I'm totally taking in with the mystique of Notre Dame and the gold helmets. I just love these gold helmets. Notre Dame wins the game 13-11 over Bama.”

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  29. “Thought about Notre Dame as a college, but Naval Academy trumped it, and then Georgetown for a whole bunch of reasons made sense. I'll share this with you. So I talked about my dad passing away. So the first time I ever watched it, so people think Notre Dame, they think, ah, college football or sports. And yeah, we have great sports and athletics programs at Notre Dame and certainly great academics. I didn't know anything about Notre Dame beyond that. So I was a little kid the first time I ever watched a football game of his seven years old.”

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  30. “Okay, what is done at such a place? So it's one of the four colleges at Georgetown. Bill Clinton graduated from the School of Foreign Service many years before me. So SFS, it stands for School of Foreign Service. We used to say it stood for safe from science. It had no math and no science requirements. Years back, it was a school set up to train diplomats. It's since become a liberal arts college with a strong emphasis on international relations. I majored in international economics. Excellent program. I had phenomenal teachers, people like Madeleine Albright, Gene Kirkpatrick, William Colby, who had been director of the CIA. I mean, remarkable people. Great, great school. And then from the air, thought, well, okay, maybe I will be a lawyer after all and applied to law schools was accepted to a couple, one of which was the University of Notre Dame.”

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  31. “To come to that decision by that point, I've been accepted to the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown and love the academics, the curriculum. Eileen was also then in college. It was my high school girlfriend and now wife. So, the thought of living in Washington was attractive, and I did with a good degree of hesitation, sign that letter of resignation. I did put in that letter that someday I would like to wear a uniform again. And someday, if I would like the honor to serve our country. And I left it at that in whatever that was, 1987 or so, and went to Georgetown, finished Georgetown.”

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  32. “So I actually spent the first couple of years of college at the Naval Academy and got an appointment from our senators and that kind of took me on the course in the military. And then again, you know, we make our plans and God laughs. So I got to my second year at the Naval Academy. And after the first year, you go through the physical and they actually check the box. My eyes weren't 2020. Check the box, not qualified to fly because by then at 18, 19 years old, I was going to be the world's greatest F-14 pilot. And then boy, that was a real setback. I'm thinking, you know, I was going to do this. Now I can't do it. Well, maybe I'll be a Marine out of the Naval Academy or something else. And then just started to think about, you know, was that the right fit for me and the 19-year-old struggling and finally made the decision that I was going to voluntarily resign from the Naval Academy took me months to”

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  33. “You know what? So I went to Bergen Catholic High School. It's taught by the Christian brothers, or they were founded in Ireland, the Irish Christian Brothers. They were a good order. I think they taught us well. I really can't point to any one particular person in high school. I think in terms of a mentor, somebody who taught me about life for a male role model, it would certainly be my grandfather.”

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  34. “Yeah, you know, I always had been focused on the military, I think, with my dad being in the Marines and my uncle in the Navy and there being police officers. There was always that sense of patriotism and responsibility and wanting to serve the country. So I spent a fair amount of time thinking about going in the military in high school. I also thought about being a lawyer even in high school.”

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  35. “Well, I do know it's funny. My daughter Megan pointed that out over Christmas. I know we were talking about something or other, and it was really windy. I came in and she goes, oh my God, it can move. I said, watch. He goes, your hair. She said, I was told it hadn't moved since 1968. Thanks, Meg. It's very, very thoughtful.”

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  36. “I've played baseball. Football, I played. I think in fourth grade I went out, made the football team. I started as a lineman. I was about average size maybe in fourth grade. And then everybody kept growing. And I wasn't growing quite as fast as everybody. So by fifth, sixth grade, I was a linebacker. Then I was a running back. Then I was a free safety. And by ninth grade, and I went to Bergen Catholic high school in New Jersey, football powerhouse. My sophomore year in high school, they were ranked number two in the nation. So freshman year, I'm going out for the football team. That lasted about five days. I realized this, I love football. This is not a sport in which I should participate safely. No matter how calm I tried to be, I should not participate. So, you look, a decent student and, you know, mediocre athlete, you know, always tried to, friends always made fun of me. I always seem to have the hair kind of parted and combed right.”

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  37. “And after I got bored with swinging a hammer, and when I realized even at four or five years old, I wasn't very good at swinging a hammer. I just start reading the book. So, you know, I tried to be a good student. I think I was a pretty decent student. Again, a lot of good teachers along the way. Tried to be an athlete and I was a perfectly mediocre athlete. Good enough usually to make the team and never nearly good enough to stand out on that team.”

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  38. “When I was a little kid, they weren't there. That was an amusement park. Palisades amusement park. So one of the first buildings that went up, my grandfather was a superintendent. He was a handyman. He can fix anything. But my mom was working and somebody had to watch me. So I was, I don't know, four or five years old. And I used to go to those apartment buildings with my grandpa. He'd show up with his toolbox and I said, Grandpa, I want a toolbox too. He said, oh, absolutely. And he gave me a toolbox with a couple of real tools in it. And I'd go around with them all day long and he'd be fixing dishwashers or door jams or whatever. And I'd bang a hammer, try to help. Because, boy, this is grandpa. But I want to either do this or I want to be a cop like dad. And what grandpa did, and I didn't realize it until many years after, was over the course of that year, he would slowly take the tools out of the toolbox and put books in.”

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  39. “Yeah, I was a good student. I worked hard. I learned early on in life to study as a road to success. My grandfather didn't finish the seventh grade. And even before my dad died, would spend a lot of time with him. Have you ever been in Fort Lee, New Jersey? And you see those big apartment buildings that rise across the George Washington Bridge on New Jersey”

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  40. “That was one really, really important lesson. And number two is it's okay to rely on others. It's okay to ask for help. And we did, I did a lot. And, you know, those things change and you move on and it stiffens you realize you got to be independent. You know, the world is full of setbacks. I had a friend years ago whose dad once told me, life is a series of challenges and your happiness in life is directly related to how well you deal with those challenges. And that was one really big challenge really early on.”

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  41. “Know, obviously, you miss your dad a lot, but I think it forces you to grow up really fast, Tim. And for me, it really, I think, was probably two lessons. One, that a lot of people may rely on you in life. For me, it was my then four-year-old brother, even my mom in a way. She had to go to work. And she went to work. You know, she had been a professional administrative assistant earlier in life and was raising us and then had to be become a waitress indoor, the New Jersey. So a lot of people, I realized in an early age, may rely on me for whatever that may be.”

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  42. “And life changes a lot. You know, by that point, we very quickly moved in with my grandparents who lived the next town over. They had a 900 square foot home that my grandfather built after World War II, two bedroom, one bath. Grandma, grandpa, and my then 20 or so-year-old aunt in one bedroom. And me, mom, and my then four year old brother, I was seven, four-year-old brother in the other bedroom, right after dad died. So things change. And I think in those that, you know, was surrounded by lots of love. And I think what my mom did to keep us together, what my grandparents did, everybody, what the police community did for us was really remarkable. And those are things you never forget.”

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  43. “And, you know, from when I remember the early years, it was pretty nice, fun. We lived in small little garden apartments. And in these garden apartments, my dad's brother lived, who was also a cop. My grandfather, the Italian from Naples, was the superintendent to the apartments. All my cousins lived there. It was kind of like a commune, if you were, for the family. And things were good. But I think there are those things in life that change you or have an impact. And for me, it was in January 1975 when I woke up one morning and learned that my dad was a cop, my hero, had died on duty the night before, was killed in a tragic car accident. It was Super Bowl Sunday.”

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  44. “So I grew up in northern New Jersey, and my mom's family was from Italy, my dad's family was from Ireland. They were both first generation. They met when they were young, and I was born in 1967. My dad had served in the Marines and was a cop in northern New Jersey. We lived in Englewood, New Jersey, just kind of right by the George Washington Bridge.”

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  45. “Chief, what is it? With all of his wisdom, he said, If ye fall down there, ye get an open casket. And he hands it to me and he goes”

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