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  1. Oh, okay. Whatever. Maybe like my five cats, three dogs, and seven chickens, and that's maybe more animals than most people have, but I get so much joy from my family. And I don't know if I really want human babies. I love my fur babies. So maybe that's, I think, why is so fun. Do I get to ask the question of the next person? Yeah.

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  2. I love our little air dry cream. It's great for textured hair. It's really great for like 1A through 4C. That's undamaged. That's great for anyone who's got highlights, heat damage, swimming a lot.

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  3. No, it's a cream, aer dry cream. But you can really take that out with a little wave brush and really just bring out your waves. You could do like a sponge roller with that

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  4. Prewash Cop Oil is amazing. Well, I think for me, I really love formulas. I love formulas that work on all hair types. So for us, I'm really big on like the amount of product. Like if your hair is finer in density, you're going to use a little bit less. If your hair is quite thick in density, like a lot of hair per square inch, you're going to use a little bit more. That's an amazing heat protectant right there that has niacinamide and charged lemon protein in it. So it has no hold, so that's amazing for people who just like want to put a little bit of nourishment in their hair, but it also has great heat protection. Even if you don't style your hair with like blow dryer or a curling iron, you're still experiencing heat from your body heat in the sun. So it's just a great hair hydrator, but no hold. If you wanted for you, if you wanted to like bring out your waves a little bit, we don't have any air dry cream in there.

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  5. Should do it. You should be in that fight because in injustice anywhere is in injustice everywhere and it will affect you. And actually the racism and the transphobia and the homophobia and the misogyny and the way that we are like so like don't talk about disabled people and what they need or people with disabilities in the disabled community is like all this does is like keeps money in the most powerful people the most powerful people's hands. Like we all need to really come together and like like to me it's like the corporate greed like that's really what is like causing so much of this and then like corporate greed because so much of that is like made by Republicans they're like look over here it's trans people look over here it's gay people look over here it's it's um it's food stamps like they're being lazy like that's why those people are being lazy these people don't even work these people are fucking crazy with their trans their their kids are running around like you know what i mean

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  6. Talking about determining what your body does reproductively or determining what your body does as far as your gender expression, like they go hand in hand and it's all about control. So that control affects everyone. So I think we need to like allyship, I think, is like, oh, well, like I'm going to do this. Even though it doesn't affect me, I'm going to be your ally. At least that's how I feel about it. Like that's like how when I think of it, but really it's like, we need people to understand that if you're white, racism, it doesn't affect you in the same way that it does for a person of color.

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  7. I think everyone needs to realize. I think the ally talk is a little bit garbage because Ally implies that this doesn't affect me, but because I care about you, I'm going to fight against this. But actually, this transphobia affects everyone. Like it affects everyone. It affects cisgender women because even now, like, there's little girls who they're wanting to like, there's this like little girl soccer team in Utah where this one team beat the other team and the parents of the kids who got beaten accused the other girls of being transgender and they were like, that's why they got beaten. So as we start to like incentivize, you know, checking kids' genitals and checking like to make sure that you're who you say you are and like and really like villainize this idea of transness, it starts like it's going to affect everyone. Like so if it doesn't affect you now, it's like we already lost our right to reproductive healthcare because the right to reproductive healthcare in the United States goes hand in hand with its bodily autonomy. So whether you're

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  8. So that's, and if you think I mean hyperbolic right now, not you or just anyone watching do this research, look up what intersex is.

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  9. Millions and millions of people with intersex characteristics. And there's a lot of people who look like they're men who are actually walking around here with XXY chromosomes. A lot of men who can't have kids. It's actually because they are intersex. So intersex people exist all over the place. Like intersex is a real thing. The idea of biological sex being a binary isn't even true. And if you talk to biologists, they will tell you exactly what I'm telling you. And it's interesting in a lot of these anti-trans bills for kids, intersex kids are specifically carved out. So in these bills, it says you can't commit no general mutilation, no hormones, your kid must be the biological sex that they were born unless they are intersex. And then we must do genital surgery. We must prescribe hormones. We must enforce the binary.

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  10. And literally, one thing that I have learned and have been told is doctors will literally say it's easier to dig a hole than build a pole. So most people that are born intersex, they will make into someone that looks biologically female, but these people will have to take hormones for their entire life. They have to have gender, they have to have genital surgery, like on their genitals when they are babies. I'm talking like operate on their genitals when they're babies. And then when they're kids, and then they have to wear expanders, when they're kids, like their parents have to teach them how to wear expanders so they will have a vagina that looks like other people's vaginas. So kids currently, up to 2% of people. Now, when you say that to transphobes, they'll say like, oh, well, actually, that study was wrong and it's only 0.02 people. It's not 2%. It's 0.2. In either way, 2% of the population of 7 billion, that's hundreds of millions of people who have intersex characteristics. Of 0.2, that's still...

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  11. No, I don't. So that's the I in LGBTQIA. There is like six intersex, there's six, my friend Alicia Rothweigl is an amazing intersex activist. Her book is coming out. It's called Inverse Cowgirl. She also just helped produce a movie that just came out that is called Everybody. But Statistics show that up to 2% I've interviewed her on getting curious if you ever want to listen to it. But up to 2% of our population is, and you should actually have her on this podcast because she's fucking major. But 2% of our population is intersex. We don't test everyone that's born for what our chromosomes are. So there's XX, and then there's XY, but then there's also a variation that's XXY. There's also multiple variations. There's six main ones that qualify someone as intersex. And so what happens is, is it like if a kid is born intersex, doctors, they don't even mark that down, like they will take the kid, they talk to the parent, and they say whatever the genitalia most appears as.

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  12. So that's like negativity bias versus like positive bias. That's why a story of like someone getting murdered or someone getting abused is going to go way farther than like, you know, the good news network story, you know, since your negativity bias. So that's the other thing is that because we have so much fear mongering around trans issues right now, that's also part of like why like it feels like it's going so much farther because people really are actually thinking that people really think that there's like little kids going and getting hysterectomies like going to school as a boy and coming home as a girl having like full, you know what I mean? Like people actually have been convinced that like there's little teeny children who are making you know permanent medical decisions with no parental supervision, with no medical supervision. People really think that's true. Another huge issue that we're up against right now is that there's so much disinformation around like the fact that actually like biological sex is in and of itself a

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  13. All of this shit has been in the works. We've all been talking about this. If you look at my getting curious, it was canceled on Netflix last fucking year. There's a whole episode about this. And it talks about the anti-drag bills up until 2022. As compared to that time, we have four times more at that time, and the graph was like this. So it isn't new, and it just takes a minute, but I think another thing that we're seeing is that like, you know how you were saying, oh, the lion or like the thing of like the tigers coming for you run away from the tiger.

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  14. Thing right now, but the thing that in gay marriage, that's not really a huge thing anymore because most people support gay marriage. But when they threw trans rights. When they threw biological males competing against women in sports, robbing each other. That stuck hardcore. That got people fucking circling the wagons, honey. So That is when we really started to see, and when you were like, oh, it's just in these last three months, it has not just been in these last three months. That's because of the way that elections work and because we just had a midterm election in November of last year, and then they don't take office until January, and then it takes months and months for things to get through committee and stuff.

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  15. Of it is conservative think tanks. So when Biden won in 2020, and we saw this in Virginia because the Virginia House of Delegates, by one vote, stayed Republican. And then because they have off cycle elections in Virginia 2019, it flips back to Democrats. And then 2021, it reverses again and goes back to Republicans. And the issue that they really use there was bathrooms and trans rights because the Democratic control legislator in that 19th session had done some things on trans rights and they threw these conservative think tanks because a lot of times Virginia because it has off years like they use that as like a bellwether to like test things like just on both sides like Democrats and Republicans but they were throwing everything at the wall their abortion hell no they don't want that that's not going well for them right now because most people support the right to abortion so for republicans like that's not a winning

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  16. It's not happening there. It's not happening in healthcare clinics. Well, maybe it could be in some places. Like, I don't, you know, but really it's like, it is not happening in gender-formed care and it ain't happening at Drag Queen brunches. Dentist or, you know, some doctor might put gender, those things happen with these crazy fucking cishead doctors who you find out were like, you know, impregnating their fucking patients or like that is what maybe that, but like in gender-affirming care and in drag queen brunch, it's not child abuse.

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  17. The way that we're trending and heading, and anytime where you like talk about like limiting a whole group's ability to like, you know, access like information, healthcare, education, or just like their exposure to public under the guise of protecting kids, like historically we've really seen that a lot of times against so many marginalized groups. So I think anytime when that starts happening, like we all really need to be super leery, especially because sex abuse is such a huge issue and it is happening in families and in churches and it's happening in schools. I'll tell you where it's not happening is at Drag Queen Brunch.

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  18. Literally, like if you read comments right now, but who cares about a comment? I don't really care about comments. I care about what's happened in my state, like in Texas. I mean, they're like, this drag ban that was just passed, like I'm performing in Texas and Austin in December, like I have to make sure, like there used to be able to be like, now in this show, Fun and Slutty, I wouldn't want kids there anyway. It is like an adult show, but like it is like I'm like there was there's a lot they were talking about that would like just force people to wear clothes of their like biological sex in public

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  19. But ultimately, like more than clean, like, I really wanted to make products that work really, really well that don't cost $100 for a shampoo and conditioner. Like, I just wanted to make really highly functional products that work on people's hair. The hairdressers love, and that people love that they can actually afford. And I'm so passionate about it, but there's a lot of times that I can't even think about the cool things that I've done because I'm like,

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  20. Hard. So I'm like, you know, I'm grateful. And I'm also like a hairdresser who loves doing hair. Like, I love good products. Like, I'm someone who in my 20s, like, I would overdraft my checking account to get the shampoo and conditioner that I wanted. Because I know when your hair feels good, like when you feel good about how you look, like you just feel so much better. And I would literally choose like products over food all the time in my 20s. And so I wanted to make products that are clean

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  21. Like, been taken farther now to revoking healthcare, like, you know, limiting access to healthcare, calling healthcare child abuse. It's just really frustrating because it's such like a gigantic conversation that there's a lot of nuance in. A lot of people have been exposed to misinformation and disinformation, don't really understand. And so I'm in this position of like, Like, how do I balance what I'm seeing happening to friends and people who I love and then like running a business and trying to grow my business? And then with this backdrop of all this fucked up shit.

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  22. Most like 2% of the population. Like, gun violence is out of control, education's out of control, like people don't have access to the food, to the healthcare. I mean, my book's been banned. Peanut goes for the gold. Like they're talking about banning, I mean, like, this is really serious. And so it's just frustrating. I'm grateful, but I think to have had a lot of my dreams come true. Like I said earlier, but then in this like environment of like where you feel like, oh my God, like if one person decides that like something that I said or did, they can like, I mean, you literally, because so much of the transphobia that we read about, like when you read, like if you read an article about what happened to Dylan, like the way that people just speak about trans people and non-binary people, like the quotations, the inferred like threats or like not believing that we are who we say that we are. But then how that actually is.

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  23. Because this guy thought that she looked queer. Like there are kids that their families are moving. They can't kids who, if they have already started their transition and they're like if they're a 16 year old and they're a sophomore in high school and they've been living in their gender identity since they were like a five-year-old kid. They've been on puberty blockers when they were little. They had a concert of doctors and their family who cares about them and loves them deeply help them transition because if they didn't transition in some cases, not all cases, but some cases like these kids will have such intense gender dysphoria that they can commit suicide. They can do things that can truly never be reversed. And so we have these people making these hyperbolic claims about protecting children and about protecting children from making irreversible decisions, bathrooms, fairness in sports, all these things when like trans people make up like

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  24. Actually, it's the same. I feel grateful and frustrated, like Dylan Mulvaney's a really good friend of mine. I love her so much. I've like watched what's happened to her in the press for the last few months. I'm like so frustrated. I just see so much just absolute garbage, like just transphobic garbage all over the place. I see really not very many folks. Really interrogating their beliefs around their transphobia, interrogating where are they getting their information, and then even understanding Our transphobia that we experience in our culture is like really truly rooted in like white supremacy and colonialism. And this conversation goes back like 400 years. And so that's like a really big systemic thing. But then living in a state where this woman literally just lost her life.

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  25. I went to do a show. I can like there's people that want to come see my comedy. Like, comedy has been so healing for me and it's like one place in my career where I get to be irreverent and I get to like, I feel like I'm the most myself on stage. I think that's like the most accurate and unfiltered version of who I am is like on stage. But I think like any artist, when you like like I've just been burning the candle at both ends for the last like 10 days. Like in this very moment in my life Like actually this particular moment, I feel frustrated and grieving When I zoom out a little bit and give voice to that frustration, and now I can like sit.

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  26. Look, I feel Feel really Grateful and at the same time, I feel really frustrated. And that's the best way I can explain it right now. I'm going through a lot of grief. Just lost my sister in law two months ago, watching my nephews grow up dealing with unimaginable grief, watching my brother deal with unimaginable loss. So, talking about how I'm feeling, and it's just, this has been a really hard time. And I think balancing your private life with being a public figure who is constantly expected to be a ray of fucking sunshine, no matter what is going on, it can be challenging. So I love my hairline. I love what I get to do with JVN hair. I love that I get to be a comedian. I love that when

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  27. I was probably like totally someone asking for a selfie. And I was like, sure, girl, let's do it on the inside. I was like, I want to die. Like, I don't feel good. I feel awful. And then the expectation of someone that I need to perform that for them constantly, no matter what's going on. Shit wears me out, which is why I can't do it all the time. So, like, that's. Yeah, I just think authenticity is like this buzzword that we use when really what it is is like are you willing to like Open about what you need. What your experience is, like what someone's like expecting of you.

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  28. Is what I'm going through, like this is like actually the thought that I actually had in my head when I was about to try to lie to you, this is really what it was. And like for me, it's like sometimes it's like if you come up to me for a selfie and like especially on that day, like with Leslie, my sister-in-law, like I wasn't taking selfies. I wasn't in a good mood. When my cat fell out of a window and you asked me for a selfie, I wasn't going to take a selfie. And sometimes I'll be like, yeah, like let's do it. But then sometimes, but normally my life is okay and I'm not going through like some horrific trauma. That's not the energy I give you when you want a selfie. I'm like, yeah, girl, like it's like, let's do it. But sometimes I'm not always like that. And so I think that's really what's authentic is saying that like just because you always see me or the two episodes of Queer Eye that you saw me five years ago and you remember me saying some funny quippy things What's really authentic is me being able to be like that's not always who I am and there's actually like a fuller picture there so I feel like that is like what authentic is but there is there have been moments like where

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  29. In the United Kingdom, which I also didn't ever talk about publicly because it's like not anything I wanted to talk about, but it's, I think really what being authentic is, is having the courage and the vulnerability to say like,

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  30. And I think is actually more authentic is being able to speak to what you're actually feeling like in the moment. Like I feel like earlier when we were saying I literally caught myself, I was like, oh, like, you know, Brene Brown says, can you talk about your trauma without becoming your trauma? And I was like, literally laying that up because I was feeling vulnerable with you. And I didn't like it. So I was like, oh, yeah, I totally can. Like I can totally speak. And it doesn't really hurt me. So I don't really want to talk about it that much because it's like, but then it's like, actually, that was really a protector part that was coming up because I didn't want to talk about it. And I felt like I was going to become my trauma. Like, because I am a little tired and I am a little run down. Like after the last two weeks, like I've worked my fucking ass off for these last two weeks. And another thing that's interesting that I don't really want to talk about, but when I was originally supposed to, when we were going to do this the last time, I had like a really close family member die super young, super out of the blue, like, which we don't, but she got strep throat and died in four days. My sister-in-law. And so that's why I wasn't.

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  31. I don't think there's like authentic and inauthentic. There's like sometimes I'm more like this because of this thing and sometimes I'm more like that because of that thing. You know what I mean?

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  32. And so that's, you know, and then I say, and love that story that the resounding answer that I got from so many people was yes. I do still love you. And like in most cases, it was like even more so. But were there parts? I think we always have parts of ourselves that are informed by external factors. Like if I didn't get feedback from people when I go like, when I say something funny, if I didn't get positive feedback from that, would I still be making all those jokes? So, does that mean I'm not really, you know what I'm saying? Like, every way that we show up in the world is because of our socialization, our relationships, like our communities. I don't think that that makes you like, it's really like your relationship with yourself. And I don't think that like.

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  33. So, I think it's like a spectrum. Like, everything is kind of really much more of a spectrum than it is like a binary, like choice. And like when she was saying with Fern, it was like, you know, she's like a TV presenter, but she couldn't show the fullness of herself. So that's why I wrote over the top. I think and love that story. Or no, it's an over the top. I say that like I love an episode of Queer Eye just as much as the next person, but if I can't tell you my full truth and tell you who I really am, then like I can't help other people like me and I actually can't even be myself. And then the whole crux of over the top is in what I ask in the book is like, would you still want to have a selfie with me? Like, would you still love me if you knew my whole story?

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  34. Because, like, even like, because I totally understand, but even that feels like, I don't think, like, what is like all the way authentic? What's like all the way yourself? Because I always get leery when we're like, because if the alternative is like, I don't think that there's such thing as that being like all the way yourself or not yourself at all.

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  35. But I think for a lot of people that maybe backed away or like were like, I don't want to, because I, it, Actually, in retrospect, I really, as much as I think that, oh, I didn't chase my dream, I actually really did chase this with Gay of Thrones, you know? Like, I wanted more than Gay of Thrones. I mean, Gay of Thrones started in 2013 and I didn't book Queer Eye until 2017. And then there was no knowing if Queer Eye was going to work or not until like 2018. So, I mean, 2013 was 10 years ago. I've been at this for a long time. And so, and there was like so many setbacks, like so many setbacks through that time.

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  36. I don't know. I really don't. I see people. I know people that make me laugh that I think are way funnier than me, like way funnier, way more witty, way more like unforgettable personalities. But I think that a lot of the people who I'm thinking of had some message from the, like, in their lives where like they were like either or like their moment hasn't happened yet. It's one of the two.

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  37. I really don't because I think it could have been a million people. I think that I think I'm resilient. Think that I have been told no so many times and didn't turn around and go back. I like found a different way. That's really important.

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  38. It was like that, except for everyone who was like being really sweet. And I remember this one creator of the show, like his eyes, like, I said this funny thing. And I was like, okay, you need to be like, you are on Gay of Thrones all times. Like, you need to be on 15. You need to say fucking one-liners all the time. Like, just be the funniest you have ever even thought about being for the next 48 hours. Capiche, like that's what I was saying in my head. And I did. Like, I was just like, and I just was like so on

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  39. Or it was actually not 18, it was 2017. I read that the reboot was happening and they were casting for it. And I was like, This is what I've been waiting for. Like, this is the vehicle. Like, I always loved queer eye growing up. My grandparents and I would watch it together. It was like. I'm ready, and then I went to that audition, and that audition was literally like the scene in mean girls when they're all at the fountain and everyone's like tackling each other.

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  40. I was just learning all of these things that I had never really done. And so then I really started to get stung by that bee. And I was like, I want to do this more. And I always have loved doing hair. But I was like, I want to be, I want to write more. I want to be more on camera. I want to do this more often. And then in 2018, they.

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  41. That's what I was doing because I was doing it on the job. So, like, I just learned this whole new skill set kind of like over the years, like for like three months a year, like I would do Game of Thrones and I just kind of slow. And then after doing Game of Thrones for two years, I was like, oh, this is so fun. I want to do this more. And so then that's when I started my podcast getting curious. And then I got to learn how to produce that and learn how to research for that and book clients for that. I mean, I think I did like the first 50 episodes with like myself and a sound engineer, but I was like booking it myself. Like it was like.

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  42. Not in this way No, and how exciting that like it was such a curveball. But no, I mean, I just was like accidentally telling a really talented producer, an actress and comedian friend of mine who was a client about Game of Thrones. And I was like, have you seen this show? It's like this and it's that. And like I did a little impromptu recap of it as I was like doing her hair. And when I was done, she was like, that's a series. And so then we did Gay of Thrones. That was like December of 12. And then the next year we start doing Gay of Thrones. That like March. And then Gay of Thrones came out and it was meant to be like one episode. But then we got Alfie Allen for our second episode. And then Funnier Dye was like, keep doing this. And so then I went really from being like a hairdresser to learning on the job how to be a performer, how to like improv, how to deliver scripted lines, how to write, how to produce. I mean, I was writing and producing and didn't even know.

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  43. Because I also just think that we don't need to, I don't need to war story, which is like what we call it in rehab. Like when you talk about the worst thing, I mean, there's a way that you can do it with respect and not speak, you know, to like I was doing this much things and these drugs, but like. I also, you know, in protecting my energy, like I've been on an international tour for 10 days, like I've given myself so much into like. My new show, like, which has just been, I'm so proud of it. It's like my third hour of comedy, but I'm not all the way in a space where like I want to speak to that part in my life right now. So I'm just going to set a really loving boundary and say I don't really want to chat about it.

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  44. Would it be closer to my stepdad? And so, yeah, that was my. And also, because I wasn't stop, I was like, LA is why I can't stop doing drugs and having sex with strangers, even though I love this person so much. Like, let's, and then unfortunately, as my stepdad always said, no matter where you go, there you are. So obviously leaving LA didn't fix anything. And then he actually passed away like three weeks after we left LA and got to St. Louis. So it was like bad on bad. And then I really, really freaked out like then I was that was like the most self-destructive era.

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  45. Is amazing, and I'm like so happy that we did it. But I just think everyone can have like a different approach. And just because you've had this or that or like everyone just has like their own way. And I think that's cool.

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  46. Once you get to the end of that SDA visa or whatever, it's like either got to get married. And so it wasn't the way I think either of us ever imagined that like we would get married, but like we are so happy. I'm so glad that we did. We've learned so much about each other. I'm so happy that we did. But like when I was little, I don't know if I was like imagining that like I'd get married in like a backyard with only a judge because like, you know, no one's family could be there because there was no, you know what I mean?

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  47. You know, it was. It was a weird time, you know, because we just started saying, I love you, and then borders shut down, and then I was like, if we want to keep, I don't know if I can just not get fucked by you for like years and like a respiratory pandemic. Like, you know, like, I think I need you to get over here. But he was British and I'm American. And so we just were like, let's see what happens. And then

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  48. So we can pull from some, what's that called, like we can pull from some data of, or like, but like not real data, like just oratory, like data of just people talking about it and telling us things. And well, my friend this and my friend that, but like ultimately, I think that there is there's like a different path for everyone to find like their relationship in whether or not it starts and I also think even in my marriage like I feel like we've had moments that we got married after like six months like in the middle of a fucking pandemic like it was

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  49. They're both willing to work on themselves, work on the relationship. And also Stan says that like a lot of brokenness or like trauma in oneself can actually really be healed through that sort of like couples therapy. So I don't know if you really have to be like a more full, that whole thing of like two fully formed circles need to make the chain because like if you're a fragmented how are you like you're gonna make a fuck up so I think we actually it pisses me off when people get too much into that like relational expert stuff because like just like we all have our own experience like every relationship has its own experience

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  50. There's this other type of therapy that I love called packed therapy, which stands for the psychobiological approach to couples therapy, which was invented by Dr. Stan Tacken, so he created pack therapy. And so he talks about an insecure functioning relationship and a secure functioning relationship. So earlier when I was speaking about my mom and my stepdad, I was like, that secure functioning relationship. My first relationship was an insecure functioning relationship with my first partner. That in conjunction with like my stepdad's illness and then just being like 24 and 25 out of my window of tolerance could not handle firefighters were activated all fucked up you know like my life kind of so that's that so but stan says that you can an insecure functioning relationship can turn into a function a secure functioning one if both parties want it

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