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1. “Someone who would otherwise be cynical and jaded because then the person can say to themselves, despite the inadequacies of the system and my inadequacies, I'm I'm gathering up the misery and the hope, and I'm bringing it forward where it can be. Redress Yep, giving that's right, giving it a voice.”

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2. “You pay attention to what they laugh at and what they don't laugh at. So you subject yourself to the judgment of the crowd. And you get rid of everything that isn't funny. And if you do that enough, even if you're not that funny, the crowd will tell you what's funny so you can imagine you do 50 shows and each is an hour long and you collect two minutes of humor from each show. So you throw away 90, you throw away two hours, more than 98% of it. Collect two minutes per show. So you're not very funny at all. You're like funny 2% of the time. You aggregate that, man. You're a scream. So that's what a leader does is that is what a leader does is goes out and he aggregates the misery, you know, and the hopes. And then I do think that's revivifying.”

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3. “Is what I do in some real sense. It's a thing I do that's most akin to what I'm doing on my book tours, I would say. It's the closest analog. He said, it's the most dialogical enterprise. And I thought, well, why do you mean? Because see, it's just the monologue. And it's a prepared monologue. I mean, you have to. Interact dynamically with the audience while you're telling your jokes, and you've got to get the timing right, but you have a body of jokes. He said, well, here's how you prepare the jokes. And I've been told this by other comedians. You go to 50 clubs before you go on your tour, and you got some new material and you think it's funny. And you go into a club and you lay out your new material and people laugh at some of it.”

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4. “Well, the great leaders that I've met, and I've met some now Go listen to their constituents. It's not a policy discussion, it's not an ideology discussion. They go say, okay, what's your life like and what are your problems? And tell me about them. And then they listen and then they're struck by them. And then they gather up all that misery and they bring it to the congressional office or to the parliament and they think here's what the people are crying out for. And the good leaders, that's a leader. Leader listens. I talked to Jimmy Carr. About comedy And he's sold out Stages worldwide on a tour, being funny. That's hard. He said Comedy is the most stand up comedy.”

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5. “It was like Mr. Smith goes to Washington for every one of them. It's like, well, this country has given us so much. Her families have been so, we've benefited so much from our time here. We think this is a wonderful country. We really felt that we should give back. Then the next one would talk. And it was like exactly the same story. It didn't matter if they were Republican or Democrat. You couldn't tell the difference. No one could. And was it genuine? It's like, well, are you genuine? You think these people are worse than you? First of all, they're not. Second of all, they're probably better all things considered. It's not that easy to become a congressman. And I'm sure there's some bad apples in the bunch, but by and large, you walk away from your meetings with these people and you think. Pretty impressive.”

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6. “Know people think, well, this is a job for the privileged. It's like, yeah, you go and run for Congress and find out how much fun it is and put your family on the line and then have to beg for your job every two years while your enemies, the worst of your enemies and the worst of your friends are viciously hen pecking you. And so anyways, we had them all sit around a table. I said, okay, just say why you... Ran for Congress. It was so cool, especially for a Canadian, because you Americans, you're so bloody theatrical. It's something to watch.”

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7. “Have social occasions with their fellow Democrats or Republicans, much less across the table And I tried to have some meetings in Washington that were bilateral a couple of times, get young Republican congressmen and Democrats together to talk. And as soon as they talk, they think, oh, it was so interesting because one of the lunches was about 15 people, half Democrats and half Republicans. And all I'd asked them to do was just spend three minutes talking about why you decided to become a congressman, which is not a job I would take, by the way. Spent 25 hours a week fundraising on the telephone. Your family isn't there with you. You have to run for reelection every two years. You're beholden to the party apparatus. Right, you're vilified constantly. This is not true.”

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8. “their lives for eight days. That's not an easy thing to do. It's also quite expensive in the daily wire plus people picked all that up. And they said yes right away. So we'd love to do this again. Well, why? Well, partly because it was intellectually it was unbelievably engaging. I learned so much. It'll take me like a year to digest it if I can ever digest it. They had a really good time. And so when they were offered that combination of intellectual challenge, let's say in hospitality, it was a no-brainer. They just said every one of them said, if I can do it in any way, I will definitely be there. I went to Washington a bunch of times. And the culture of hospitality has broken down in Washington. 40% of congressmen sleep in their offices. They don't have apartments. Their family isn't there with them.”

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9. “Look, one of the things I've really learned, there's a real emphasis on hospitality in the Old Testament. I just brought all these scholars together to talk about Exodus. I have this security team with me, and they're tough military guys, but they're on board for this mission, let's say. And so they went out of their way to be hospitable to my academic guests. They laid out nice platters of meat and cheese and crackers they spent all day preparing this house I had rented so that we could have a hospitable time with these scholars, most of whom I didn't know well, but who said they would come and spend eight days talking about this book with me. We rented some jet skis, we had a nice house, we had fun, and we got to know each other, and we got to trust each other because we could see that we could have some fun and that we could let our hair down a bit we didn't have to be on guard, and that made the talks way deeper. And then we found out we couldn't get through Exodus in eight days. And so I had proposed very early on that we're going to double the length. And so I pulled eight people out of.”

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10. “Well, here's another ugly thought. Since we haven't had enough so far, We locked everything down for COVID. Much face-to-face communication was there between the West and Vladimir Putin? How about none? How about that was the wrong amount? Especially given that Europe was completely dependent on Putin for its energy supplies, well, not completely, but you know what I mean, materially and significantly. So maybe had to go talk to him once every six months. Maybe he's in a bit of a bubble. Probably.”

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11. “There certainly is. And I say that knowing that Even if he doesn't believe it. He's convinced his people that it's true. And so we're stuck with the claim in either case. And that's the point I was trying to make in the article.”

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12. “Owns $5 billion worth of personal property. And I would say there's a bit of a moral hazard in that, and it's possible that the Orthodox Church has been co-opted, but there has been somewhat of an Orthodox revival in Russia, and I don't think that's all bad. Now, even if Putin doesn't believe any of this, if he's just a psychopathic manipulator, and unfortunately, I don't think that's true. I've read his speeches. It doesn't look like it to me, and he is by no means the worst Russian leader of the last hundred years.”

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13. “To the degree that he believes anything, I do believe that he thinks of himself as a bulwark for Christendom against the degeneration of the West. And that's that third way that Dugan and Putin have been talking about, the philosopher Alexander Dugan and Putin for 15 years. Now, what that is, is very amorphous. Solzhnitsen thought the Russians would have to return to the incremental development of Orthodox Christianity to escape from the communist trap. And to some degree, that's happened in Russia because there's been a return to Orthodox Christianity. Now, you could say, yeah, but the Orthodox Church has just been co-opted by the state. And I would say there's some evidence for that. I've heard, for example, that the Metropolitan... Now, I don't know if this is true.”

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14. “You've thought a lot about AI systems. It's like. Don't you become what you practice? And the answer to that is well, absolutely. We even know the neurology. It's like when you first formulate a concept, huge swaths of your cortex are lit up, so to speak. But as you practice that, first of all, the right hemisphere stops participating. And then the left participates less and less until you build specialized machinery for exactly that conceptual frame. And then you start to see it, not just think it. And so if you're telling the same lies over and over, who do you think you're fooling? Think, well, I can withstand my own lies. Not if they're effective lies. And if they're effective enough to fool millions of people, and then they reflect them back to you, what makes you think you're going to be able to withstand that? You aren't. And so I do think Putin believes.”

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15. “I read a bunch of Putin's speeches, and I have been reading them for 15 years. And my sense of people generally, and this was true of Hitler, it's like, what did Hitler believe? Well, did you read what he wrote? He just did what he said he was going to do. And you might think, well, some people are so tricky. They have a whole body of elaborated speech that's completely separate from their personality and their personality is pursuing a different agenda. And this whole body of speech is nothing but a front. Like, good luck finding someone that sophisticated. First of all, if you say things long enough, you're going to believe them.”

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16. “Eastern Europeans think so too. And do I know that? It's like, well, I went to 15 Eastern European countries this spring, and I talked to 300 political and cultural leaders. And you might say, well, they were all conservatives. It's like, actually, no, they weren't. Most of them were conservatives, because it turns out that they're more willing to talk to me. But a good chunk of them were liberals by any stretch of the imagination. fair number of them were cancelled progressives.”

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17. “That are analogous in some sense to the Soviet Union Empire building. And then the last one, which is the one I got in trouble for, which is Putin's belief or willingness to manipulate his people into believing that Russia is a Selvific force in the face of idiot Western wokeism. And that's the one I got in trouble for. It's like, while you're justifying Putin, it's like It's not only the Russians that think the West has lost its mind.”

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18. “Well, it wasn't that you regret saying no, no, I thought about it a lot. I laid out four reasons for the war and then I was criticized in the Atlantic for the argument was reduced to one reason, which was a caricature of the reason. I gave a variety of reasons why the war happened. Mismanagement on the part of the West in relationship to Russia and foreign policy over the last since the wall fell. It's understandable because it's extremely complex. Hyper reliance on Russia as a cardinal source of energy provision for Europe in the wake of idiot environmental globalist utopianism. The expansionist tendencies of Russia”

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19. “Not ultimately. Today, that's a crucial distinction because they say, well, ultimately the poor will benefit. Except the dead ones.”

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20. “Well, it's like, well, Holland isn't going to have beef. Well, where are they going to get it? Well, you don't need it. It's like, oh, I see. You get to tell me what I can eat now, do you? Really? Okay. And Holland is going to import food from where? That's more efficient on the fertilizer front. There's no one more efficient than Holland. Same with Canada. And like, isn't this going to make food prices more expensive? And doesn't that mean that hungry people die? Because that is what it means.”

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21. “Dependent on amount of food produced per unit of fertilizer used, which would be at least, you could imagine it. Okay, so you're producing this much food and you use this much fertilizer, so you're hyper efficient. Maybe we take the 10% of farmers who are the least efficient in that metric, and we say to them, you have to get as efficient as the average farmer. And then they say, well, look, you know, our situation is different. We're in a more northern climb. The soil's weaker, you know, you obviously have to bargain with that, but at least you reward them for their productivity”

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22. “They are willing to use compulsion on other people when they could use goodwill. Like the farmers in Canada objected. They said, look. We have every economic reason to use as little fertilizer as we can because it's expensive. We have satellite maps of where we put the fertilizer. We have cut our fertilizer use so substantially in the last forty years you can't believe it and we grow way more food. We're already breaking ourselves in half. And if you know farmers, especially the ones who still survive, you think you think those people don't know what they're doing. It's like they're pretty damn sophisticated, man, like way more sophisticated than our prime minister. And now you tell them, no, it's a 30% reduction and we don't care how much food you're growing. So it's not a reduction that's...”

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23. “Potential response to that would be the claims are not in accordance with the facts. But, you know, facts are tricky things and it depends on where you look for them. So that's a tough one to get right because, for example, Lombard's fundamental critics argue about his facts, not just his interpretation of them. So that can't be an unerring guide. And so I thought, well, the facts exactly doesn't work. Because when it's about everything, there's too many facts. So then how do you determine if someone's a trustworthy guide in the face of the apocalyptic unknown? Because that's really the question. And the answer is they're not terrified tyrants. I think that's the answer now. Maybe that's wrong. If someone has a better answer,”

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24. “I was really trying to figure out the last two weeks thinking this through. It's like, how do you know? Let's say someone asked me a question in the YouTube comment. I said, why can I trust your advice on the environmental front? And I thought, that's a really good question. Let's see if we can figure out the principles by which the advice would be trustworthy. Okay, how do you know it's not trustworthy? Well, one.”

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25. “Maybe I've got a big part of him wrong. And I probably do. But my observation has been that every chance he had to retreat from his pharonic position, let's say, he doubled down. And these Our parliament is not running for the next year. Still zoom in, it's still COVID lockdown parliament. For the next year, it's already been Fatally compromised perhaps by the lockdowns for the last couple of years. This is parliament we're talking about.”

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26. “No, if he was willing to talk to me, I'd talk because I'd like to ask him. I have lots of things I'd like to ask him about. I mean, I've had political types in Canada on my podcast and tried to ask them questions.”

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27. “If you're not suited for the position, if you're not the man for the position, you can be absolutely 100% sure that the power will corrupt you. How could it not? I mean, at the least, if you don't have the chops for the job, you have to devalue the job to the point where you can feel comfortable inhabiting it So, yes, I think that it's corrupted him. And I mean, look at him doubling down. We wear masks in flights into Canada. We have to fill out an Arrive can bureaucratic form on our phones because a passport isn't good enough. We can't get a passport. If you're 85 and you don't know how to use a smartphone? Oh, well, too bad for you. Yes, it's corrupted him”

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28. “Exploited the West and expressed contempt for the West far too much for far too long. And that's accelerating at the moment, for example, with Trudeau's recent attack on the Canadian farmers. He's an enemy of the oil and gas industry, which is an utter and absolute bloody catastrophe. And look what's happened in Europe, at least in partial consequence. And he's no friend to the farmers. I've tried to steal Manhim, you know. I try to put myself in the position of the people that I'm criticizing. I think he's a narcissist.”

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29. “And I've watched him repeatedly, and I've listened to him a lot, and I've tried to do that clinically and with some degree of dispassion. And that's hard too, because his father, Pierre, devastated the West in 1982 with the National Energy Policy. And Trudeau is doing exactly the same thing again. And so as a Westerner as well, I have an inbuilt animus and one that's well deserved because Central Canada especially the glittery literati elite types in the Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Triangle have”

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30. “Exchange of information between those two poles. So even if Trudeau was motivated by compassion, it's like, yeah, just how loving are you, first of all. No, it was a really bad decision. And then he's expressed contempt for monetary policy. I'm not interested in monetary policy. Okay, but Your prime minister, and he's expressed admiration for the Chinese Communist Party because they can be very efficient in their pursuit of environmental goals. Oh yeah Efficiency Efficiency of the tyranny in the service of your terror.”

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31. “That's the thing. The growth element is crucial. Because the growth element to foster the growth element requires judgment. Compassion and judgment, well, even have been conceptualized this way forever two hands of God, mercy and justice. They have to operate in tandem, right? And mercy is Flawed as you are, you're acceptable. Like, well, do you want that? Do you want your flaws to be acceptable? And the answer to that is no, it's so it's like, well, that's where the judgment comes in. It's like, but you could be better. You could be more than you are. And that's the maternal and the paternal in some fundamental sense. And there has to be an active.”

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32. “It's like, no, you just have your talent pool. Cabinet positions. That's what you did. There's enough cabinet positions. You could argue that each of the met threshold, it's like there's a big difference between threshold and excellence.”

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33. “Person I'm now pretending to be, which we all have to do as we move forward, right? And so then I thought, okay, I think you made a mistake there because you ran only on your father's name and you didn't have the background. But let's give the devil his due and say, that's no problem. Okay, so now what do you do? Well, you get elected and your first act is... Make the cabinet 50% women, despite the fact that only 25% of the elected members are female. It's like, okay, you just haved your talent pool. That was a really bad move for your first move”

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34. “The answer to that should have been no because Trudeau Justin has no training for this, no experience. He's not, he is a part-time drama teacher fundamentally. He hadn't run a business. He just didn't know enough to be prime minister. But then I'm trying to put myself in his position. So it's like, okay, I don't know enough. But I'm young and we don't want the conservatives. And they had had to run a 10-year run, so maybe it was time for a new government. Maybe I could grow into this man. Maybe I could surround myself with good people and I could learn humbly and I could become...”

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35. “After the Liberals had brought in a Harvard intellectual who was a Canadian to be their last leader, he didn't work out. And then they're flailing about for a leader. And the Liberals in Canada are pretty good at maintaining. Power and leadership, and have been the dominant governing party in Canada for a long time. And so they went to Justin and said, well, you know, it's you or a conservative, and you can imagine that's not a positive. Spectre for someone who's on the left or even a liberal, and Trudeau is quite a bit on the left. And they said, we need you to run. And then I thought, okay, well.”

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36. “In that sense, I mean, there's the evidence there, you know. I mean, he's not a Jeffrey Epstein profligate on the sexual front, so that's something. And his wife, they seem to have a real marriage, and he has kids, so, you know, good for him.”

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37. “Sure. He seems to get along well with his wife. He has some kids. There's no sexual scandals. And he's in a position where that could easily be the case. He seems to have done some good things on the oceanic management front. He's put a fair bit of Canada's oceans into marine protected areas, and that might be his most fundamental legacy if it's real. I've been trying to get information about the actual reality of the protection, and I haven't been able to do that. But that's a good thing”

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38. “Not only me, but my family put my family at risk in a big way and constantly, like not once or twice, because many people get cancelled once or twice. But I've been cancelled like forty times. And I know like two hundred people now who've been canceled. And I can tell you without doubt that it is one of the worst experiences of their life. And that's if it only happens once. And so And then I also know that the communists killed 100 million people in the 20th century, that the intellectuals excused them for it non-stop and still haven't quit, that almost no one knows about it, and that the specter of resentful Marxism is back in full force. And so do I have a bit of an animus against that? Yes, does it go too far? I don't know. I'm trying to figure that out.”

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39. “Threatened by the left 100%. And they're not just threatened a little bit. They're threatened a lot. And that threat made it impossible for me to continue in my profession the way I was, and it cost me my clinical practice too. And that's not over yet because I have 10 lawsuits against me out right now from the College of Psychologists because they've allowed anyone to complain about me anywhere in the world for any reason and have the choice to follow that up with an investigation, which is a punishment in and of itself, and are doing so. And then I've been tortured nearly to death multiple times by bad actors on the left. Now I've had my fair share of radical right wingers being unhappy with what I've said, but personally that's been the left the whole time”

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40. “Yeah, well, I've talked to a good friend of mine last week about that publicly. We'll release it. So I said, well, do I have a particular animus against the left, let's say? It's like, well, probably. Okay, why? Well, First of all, I'm a university professor. It's not like the universities are threatened by the right.”

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41. “That's why you're in the miserable state you're in. So then Cain leaves, his countenance falls, as you might expect, and Cain leaves, and he's so incensed by this because God has said, look, your problems are of your own making. And not only that, you invited them in, and not only that, you engaged in this creatively, and not only that you're blaming it on me, and not only that that's making you jealous of Abel, who's your actual idol and goal. And Cain, instead of changing. Kills Abel. Right. And then Cain's descendants are the first people who make weapons of war. And so that's okay. You want to know what I think? That's the eternal story of mankind. And it's playing out right now, except at a thousand times the rate.”

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42. “I'm breaking myself in half, and nothing good's coming my way. What the hell's up with that? And then there's Abel, the sun shining on him every day. How dare you? It's like, okay, but this is God that Cain's talking to. And so God says what Cain least wants to hear, which is what God usually says to people. He says Look to your own devices, you're not making the sacrifices you should, and you know it. And then he says something even worse. He says sin. At your door like a sexually aroused predatory animal. And you've invited it in. Have your way to have its way with you. And so he basically says, you have allowed your resentment to preoccupy yourself and now you're brooding upon it and generating something creative, new and awful, possessed by the spirit of resentment.”

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43. “Implication in the text that it's because Cain sacrifices our true or second rate. God says that Abel brings the finest to the sacrificial altar. He doesn't say that about Cain. So you can imagine that Cain is sacrificing away, but he's holding something in reserve. He's not all in. He's not bringing his best to the table. He's not offering his best to God. And so Abel thrives like Matt. Everyone loves them, and he gets exactly what he needs and wants, exactly when he needs and wants it. He's favored of God. And Cain is bearing this terrible burden forward and working, and his sacrifices are rejected. So he gets resentful, really resentful. Enough, resentful enough to call God out and say something like this is quite the creation you've got going here.”

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44. “Because the Garden of Eden doesn't count. And they're the first two people who are born rather than created. So they're the first two people. And that's a hell of a story because it's a story of fratricidal murder that degenerates into genocide, flood, and tyranny. So that's fun for the opening salvo of the story, let's say. And Abel and Cain both make sacrifices. And for some reason, Abel sacrifices, please God. It's not exactly clear why, and Cain's don't. Now there's an”

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45. “After Adam and Eve are thrown out of paradise for becoming self-conscious or when they become self-conscious, they're destined to work. The reason for that is far as I can tell is that Become self-conscious is to become aware of the future, it's to become aware of death. That certainly happens in the Adam and Eve story. To have the scales fall from your eyes. And then the consequence of that is that you now have to labor to prevent the catastrophes of the future. That's work. Work is sacrifice. Sacrifice of the present to the future. It's delay of gratification. It's maturity. Sacrifice to something as well and in the spirit of something. Okay, so now Adam and Eve have two children, Cain and Abel. So those are the first two people in history.”

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46. “Well, maybe he should be inside you. That's the fundamental essence of the Christian doctrine. It's like Satan is best fought on the battleground of your soul And that's”

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47. “We have issues with boundaries, right? No, no, it's so this is a very complicated problem, right? So Ren ⁇ Girard believed that It was a human proclivity to demonize the scapegoat and then drive it out of the village. I've thought about that a lot. We need a place to put Satan. Seriously, this is a serious issue.”

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48. “A good question. I mean, I don't, I'm trying to get that right. So we've kind of come to a cultural conclusion about the Nazis. Get to be angry about the Nazis seems the answer to that is yes”

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49. “What do you think about theory about trustworthiness? If the dragon that you're facing turns you into a terrified tyrant, you're not the man for the job. Is that a good theory”

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50. “Bad about the poor. What are the environmentalist thinking? We love the planet. It's like, do you? We love the poor. Do you? Okay, let's pit the planet against the poor. Who wins? The planet. Okay. You don't love the poor that much. Do you love the planet? Or do you hate capitalism? Let's pit those two things against each other. Oh, well, it turns out we actually hate capitalism. How can we tell? Because you're willing to break it. And do you know what's going to happen? So what's going to happen in Sri Lanka with these 20 million people who now have nothing to eat? Are they going to eat all the animals? Are they going to burn all the firewood? They're stockpiling firewood in Germany. So, is your environmental globalist utopia?”

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