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Jorge Ramos

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first: 2020-02-26
most recent: 2020-02-26
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“Okay, let's talk a little bit about covering this election. How do you look forward to it? And I do want to talk a little bit about immigration and where you think we are on it, because that story, one of the problems of this new news environment we're in is it's very twitchy, it's very quick, and people move on from the next thing. And so this week we're talking about this, then we're talking about this, and oh yeah, impeachment. That seemed like six years ago impeachment. And now we're in the, I guess, the Bernie Sanders phase of the discussion. But it goes from one thing to the other. Immigration really has gotten lost as a discussion.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it's interesting, we were having a conversation before we started, and we were saying, well, this is not of the record. Well, the fact is that I'm assuming, and as you are, that everything that I say on this phone is being tracked and that somebody is listening or reading it.”
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“They do all the time. Not me today because I don't have a phone. But right now, if I sign off of everything, actually. I even signed off. They ping you hundreds of times and know everything about you without your consent.”
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“Except that when you get in a digital environment, it's different than a network. If there's a lie, a lie on a network, everyone sees it. In this case, they can send a million different lies to a million different people, all geared toward that information they've gleaned. Now probably one of the great ways to solve this would be to have a really good privacy bill, to know about what happens to your data, to not be tracked the way you are, to be not micro-targeted. And so they can't send a million different lies to someone. That's not even being done. There's no privacy bill in this country. We're the only country, there's a lot going on in Europe, there's a lot going on in Australia. We have a bill in California that's the de facto rule for this country, but there's not a national privacy bill to protect your privacy.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We have to, if someone is lying, we have to say it, if someone is harming children, we have to say it. And if a president is lying, we have to say it.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think this conversation obviously is going to continue. But since I cannot do anything about it right now, My responsibility, I'm just going back to my role as a journalist. Yeah, we have.”
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“They do sometimes. They do other times. My issue is that it's done in a haphazard way by people who are not necessarily qualified. I would like elected officials and citizens to start talking about this as a larger thing rather than, say, in the case of Facebook, it's a company that is run by someone who cannot be fired ever. He's like a dictator of that company. He's unfireable. He controls the board. He controls everything. And so do you want one person making decisions that affect lots of people? And it's something everyone needs to think about at the very least.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I agree with you that in certain situations, child pornography you mentioned, for instance, there has to be done. There has to be something done. But my problem is with political discourse. Are we going to start censoring political discourse, even if we don't want to? How about white nationalists? Should we stop that? Should companies stop that kind of information?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we don't. Facebook doesn't. They made the decision not to. I mean, how do you feel about that? Let's get back to politics. What is the political landscape look like now? Bloomberg's spending every, I'm going to say every dime he has because he's got a lot of dimes, but spending enormous amounts of money on social media, on Facebook, the Trump campaign, quite good at it. Brad Parcel is a genius at using social media. What would you do if you were running Facebook? Now Twitter decided to cut them off. Say we're not going to have lies. We can't even figure it out.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So if we say on the political conversation, how about if we know for a fact that a president or a candidate is lying and that he's buying ads and publicity, should we stop them?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, no, of course not. But what I'm talking about is they tend to say that there can't be innovation without freedom for them. And in fact, when you have one or two or three companies, in this case it would be Facebook, Google, it really would be Facebook and Google essentially, sort of buying up all the companies, shutting down the data.”
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“But for instance, let me just put it this way, what would happen in authoritarian governments? What would happen in China? What would happen in Saudi Arabia? What would happen in Cuba?”
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“Right, absolutely. But I think one of the things is it has repercussions well beyond that. Like, there was a really great series in The New York Times recently about child pornography on these sites. And very little is being done to mitigate the problem. You can do that with addictiveness with teens. They know very well inside these companies how addictive these products are, akin to cigarettes, akin to other things, still not doing anything about it, yet facilitating it. And so you have to sort of start to think they're not benign. And so if they're not benign, they're not making things benign that affect people. There has to be some kind of regulation, smart regulation that doesn't hinder innovation. And when they worried about hindering innovation, they tend to go to the China argument. Well, China, if we don't do something China will beat us, if we don't do this and we'll have, you know, they'll be running the internet in the next era.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's an interesting proposition. But as a journalist, we cannot just wait to see, well, let's see if they regulate them or not. Our responsibility is completely different. I think our responsibility would be to find facts, to confirm those who are in power. And that's what we need to do.”
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“Well, the New York Times is actually responsible for those too. They're abrogated around the comments, but at the same time, on some level, they have to create tools where it can't be used for disinformation. They have to be more, it's going to be incredibly complex to figure it out because they can sort of get out of it and at the same time have created the tools in such a sloppy way that you can look at any of the areas of the world. In Myanmar, they didn't have enough speakers. They didn't do this. They didn't do that. They do things. I'll give you a good example, Facebook Live, for example. And I've told this story before, but when they created it, they bring in reporters to look at it before. And they're all excited and they get all, they're like, literally, it's like 12-year-old boys all there going, look what I made. It's so cool. And I was in the room and I said, okay, this is a live, you know, immediate live posting by anybody in the world can do this. And I said, what do you do if someone murders someone on this? What do you do if someone commits suicide? What do you do about bullies? What about child pornography?”
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“It's a non-question Are you I am responsible for what I do and you are responsible for what I do. But how about if there's someone else who's posting On your network, on your platform”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's something Univision's responsible for the things that is on your air. Are you careless and the things you create cause havoc, you pay for it? And I think it's the responsibility, it's being legally liable for creating things either sloppily or with malintent or things like that.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think if you look at the top 10 companies or the top companies right now are tech companies in terms of market valuation, maybe not in the market today, but because we've had a sell-off, but most of the economic growth has happened through tech in the last 10 years, essentially. And a lot of the wealth creation, everything, the top 10 rich people are all tech people. It's an industry unlike Wall Street or cars or pharmaceuticals, even if it's problematic regulation, they have regulation. There's not one law on the books about internet companies at all, not one. And in fact, the one law that does exist is very advantageous to them, which allows them to be immune from any legal action.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But maybe, can I switch the question and send it to you? So what will you do? Do you think they need to be regulated? And in which way, how?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you think it ends up as it moves forward? I mean, obviously, there's a lot of people looking at regulating some of these companies. Do you consider, given these platforms are so important, whether it's Twitter or Reddit or Facebook, Facebook's the biggest among them, where's the responsibility? Do you think there's a responsibility on these tech companies to act? Because just the other day, Mark Zuckerberg said, we're somewhere between a telecom company and a publisher. And it reminded me of that old skid I'm showing my age here, is that a dessert topping or a floor wax, you know, if you remember from SNL. What are they? I mean, because all the old people.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Two networks or three networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS as it was back then. We have millions of networks of people using Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and that's a big difference.”
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“Well, but at the same time, as it happened with Eder Armoro and as it's happening with us right now, the most important thing that we have as journalists is our credibility. If what I say, if nobody cares about that, or if people think that I'm lying, then I'm done as a journalist. I wouldn't have a job. Let me give you an example. Every year here in Miami, we have hurricanes. And I personally, because I trust what they say and my life and the life of my family and my home depends on what they say. Should I leave my house? Should I go somewhere else? So that's exactly what we do in social media. Many people follow you and they trust what you say, hopefully many people follow me and they trust what I say. And that's exactly the same way as with our moro. The only difference is that now instead of having”
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“It's really interesting because I've been recently watching a lot of Edward R. Murrow stuff. I just, for some reason, I've been looking at it, and he was quite confrontational, actually, in a lot of ways, especially for the day. What then happens to the media environment? Because it becomes so fractured. There's so many voices and everybody...”
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“Content matters. But the way we approach it is completely different. Let's say 10, 15, 20 years ago, we were reporting facts and people were expecting the facts for the newscast happening. Not anymore. I think everybody knows exactly what's happening right now and when we come on the air at 6.30, they expect more. More analysis, more context. And we expect and they are expecting from us something different to tell them the truth, the way we see it. especially when we have a president that is lying constantly. Again, is that a confrontational position from a journalist? Well, that's our responsibility. If we don't do it, nobody else is going to do it.”
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“But still, still. for this information. Let me put it this way. I've been doing the newscast with Unibision for 33 years already. And I can assure you, Kara, that without presence in social media, I wouldn't have a job right now. Because now we're doing sometimes TB for people who don't even own a TB. I'm also doing a program just for the internet because people are somewhere else. It's shifting. And by the way, some people in TV right now, they're in complete denial, the same way that people in newspapers and magazines were 10 years ago. It's exactly what's happening with Tibet.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, I'm helping humanity. So it's a little different because you get a sort of a sad-eyed look from a young white man in a t-shirt and a hoodie, which I have no sympathy for, but it's a different experience. In any case. Steel. Yes, yes, you have to ask them a question. So let's get to that idea of the power of social media because we have entered in a time, and I think, I don't think Donald Trump is just the way JFK was to FDR was to radio. JFK was to television. Donald Trump is to social media in a way. He's used it beautifully, whether you like it or not. He's the best troll around. He uses effectively to govern, to make announcements, to undermine people, to attack today. He was attacking Justice Sotomayor. And for this information and Justice Gindensburg, which is dangerous. What responsibility do social media companies have to that when you're doing your job, because you use it too, you're quite active. What do you imagine has happened to the news environment in that case?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Has to be exactly the opposite. It's interesting in politics, you get a lot more pushback, and you got some really ugly pushback from Donald Trump. I get sort of these sad-eyed looks like, how can you insult me? I'm a victim here. I've made my billions, honestly, and you shouldn't question the damage you're doing to democracy.”
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“Like And you have to ask the questions. They are expecting just because they have power. That you have to be soft and that's not the way it should be. I think it has to be exactly the opposite.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, there's no downside to insulting a billionaire I've found in my career. There really isn't. You look good. They never do. And then especially when it's Facebook, it doesn't really matter. You win every time. I'm like the house. I'm like the house in Vegas.”
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“So I feel In certain occasions, you have to have a point of view Once I had the opportunity, I wouldn't say it was an interview with Fidel Castro. He was in Guadalajara. He was going from one room to another in a hotel, and I stopped and I ask him some questions. And at the end, his bodyguard pushed me aside and I couldn't continue the conversation. But here's the way I see it. Should I interview Fidel Castro or should I interview Nicolas Maduro, the dictator of Venezuela, the same way that I interview a victim of their dictatorships? No. I think it's completely different. The approach that I have with someone who is in power is different than my approach with those who don't have power. And I don't know if you see it exactly the same way. I mean, when you talk with all these leaders in Silicon Valley, how do you do it?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know. There was no secret service action, so I feel like it was a joke, but I could not tell because I asked him a tough question about encryption and how he changed his point of view. But when you talk about that, do you think that because reporters had always tried to be, and I hate to use this term, fair and balanced. They tried to have that. I never thought that was the correct way to do it because I think you can do reported analysis of things. Like you do enough reporting and then you can have a point of view and call something out.”
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“Oddly enough, I'm going to tell a very short story my ex wife worked for Barack Obama in the White House, and at the end of your term, you're supposed to go in and take pictures with the family, and you stand in a line, it's very strange. She made me go because the kids were there. And I walked into the Oval Office, and I was like, I really don't want to do this. And he looked at me and said, how did you get in here?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I do it all the time. I do it all the time. And our relationship with power has to be confrontational sometimes. There's a beautiful word in Spanish contra. In contrapoder means to be on the other side of power. It doesn't matter who is in power And people might say, well, Jorge, you are against Donald Trump. Well, just ask what happened with Barack Obama before he left office. I confronted him and told him that he had deported more than 3 million people, more immigrants than any other president in the history of the United States. We're talking about removals. And he just didn't like it. And I haven't been able to talk to him again.”
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“And if we don't ask the top questions to those who are in power, nobody will. And then I think that we have to take a stand on six different circumstances. When it comes to racism, discrimination, corruption, public lies, violation of human rights and dictatorships, we have to take a stand cara. And if we don't do that, Then who's going to do it? That's engineers built incredible structures, architects build beautiful homes, doctor saves lives, and we ask questions. And if we don't do that, who's going to do it?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As a journalist, I think we have two responsibilities, two very important responsibilities. The first one is to report reality as it is, not as we wish it would be. So if it's read, I have to say red. And then if 15 people died, we have to say 15. That's the most important responsibility. And I'm sure that people from Africa, Europe, and Asia and Latin America can cover a hurricane more or less the same way, and even a war more or less the same way. The other important responsibility, probably the most important responsibility that we have, is to question those who are in power.”
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“How has that affected your job? I want to get beyond Trump because everyone always just talks about what is because it's been copied by a lot of people and a lot of people are using social media to bypass reporters and journalists and to tell their stories on their own and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but how does it affect your job because you had a point of view early on everyone's like he shouldn't have a point of view. I heard that from some people Now, just the other day, we had Anderson Cooper calling bullshit on a governor who was, and he used that exact word on the air. Talk about the idea of point of view and storytelling today”
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“And the fact that he was attacking the press right there and the fact that he was making racist statements. And then many journalists and many people in the United States didn't want to see that. They would say, oh, Jorge Kaman, you're a Latino, maybe you're too sensitive, you don't know exactly.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He lies a lot and we saw something that people just didn't want to pay attention to. We were saying we know what's happening on that day in Dubuca, Iowa. He just made another racist statement. He attacked the press in ways in which I never expected, and he kept on lying. He said, for instance, that he didn't know who I was, then if he didn't know who I was, how come he said, go back to Univision? So the fact that he was lying and he has lied more than 2,000 times according to the Washington Post, right?”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so being trolled by Donald Trump has its advantages, I guess. All right, so when that happened, the relationship, it sort of began something that happened over and over again. And it's all swirling around in a more systemic way around disinformation, around telling lies, around saying them in public, sort of telling lies in public and continuing them. That continues to today, when I was leaving the hotel room today, there was a headline on CNN that said, Donald Trump won't say if he thinks Russia has been involved in these elections, just won't say it or won't say it on the weekend the National Security Advisor was saying he had never seen analysis about the Russians being involved, which is a lie because he may not have seen it, that maybe he may be partially telling the truth.”
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“And with social media, now we just didn't have to wait for the newscast. 6.30 to find out exactly what was happening. He was a master and he's still a master of using social media for his own purposes. But on the other hand, I think there's a lot of resistance to that. So the fact that he published my phone number on Instagram. and that everybody knows that number. And I got all kinds of messages from people telling me that we were doing exactly what we needed to do to people asking for a job and even sending some songs to me.”
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“There was immediate repercussions speaking of using Instagram and social media across social media when this happened. What was the result from your point of view? What do you think it did for good and not so good?”
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“So we found that he was going to give a press conference in Dubuque, Iowa, not in New York, because it would have been with thousands of journalists. And then in Dubuque, I was sitting on the front row. And then, as you would have done in any press conference, I saw a moment of silence, less than a second. I stood up and I said, I have a question. I have a question about immigration. And he just didn't want to answer. He told me, go back to Univision. Basically, he was saying, go back to Mexico. That's exactly what he meant. Another racist comment. And instead of answering the question, his bodyguard took me out of that press conference. The only other person that has done something similar, it was Fidel Castro with his bodyguard. That's what happened.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just to tell him what you said about Mexican immigrants was racist. It was wrong. And as a journalist, I have the right to ask you a question. So how many of you have gone to Dubuque, Iowa? Just a few. Well”
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“I think that we, and when I say we Latinos, we saw something and we sent something that many people didn't want to see. When he said after going down the stairs and announcing that he wanted to be president, when he said that Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists, he was talking about me. I'm a Mexican immigrant. And so I did what you would have done. I sent him a letter. his office in New York. FedEx, and he got it. And instead of just responding, no, I don't want to do an interview with you. I told him that I wanted to talk to him. I had many questions. So instead of doing that, he published the letter on Instagram and with my phone number on it. I had to change my phone, obviously. That number, I clearly didn't like it. And I said, well, now it's my turn. So I was looking for the right moment to confront Donald Trump.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Talk about that incident and what the repercussions were To talk about there's a lot of things we go to Cuba and Bernie Sanders, we could talk about disinformation, we talk about Russia. Disinformation, but let's start with.”
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“So, you know, before we start, it is difficult to be on the other side because we've been interviewers for such a long time and they say, well, it's going to be a great conversation. Well, I'm not sure about that. Yeah, yeah, fine.”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Left my phone The car On the way here this morning, I came in from DC, and I haven't been without his cell phone since 1996 or so”
2020-02-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Have a lot of questions. So, I'm going to start Conversation. We'll have a conversation. Don't ask the first question. Yes, I will. I shall ask the first question.”
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