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  1. And Pete and I and our friend Dave Cyrus wrote hopefully a good movie. It's not about 9-11, but it is about Pete's character losing his father in a fire who's a firefighter and about, and it's a comedy about grieving, which we know everyone goes through. I'm really proud of it, Steve Bushemi is in it and Marissa Tomei and Bill Burr.

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  2. He's fascinating. His father was a fireman who died on 9-11, and Pete has had a really challenging time around that. I think that the children of people who died have a very unique... Grieving challenge because in a way it never goes away. The conversation never stops, nor should it. But it's not like with my mom, my mom died 10 years ago. Once or twice a year someone mentions her. But I think around 9-11, a lot of those people... You know, are Receptacles of other people's grief about it Because people are devastated. So it becomes a grieving that doesn't really end.

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  3. And so there's probably a long way to go, but just the idea that people feel like I'm going to get, I'll get destroyed by this. I'm sure it slows a lot of people down.

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  4. I think a lot has changed already Because there was never fear about doing it. And so now people feel like there are repercussions to this. Whether or not it was wrong to prey upon actresses. I mean, I don't know if you know the Warner Brothers scandal where the head of Warner Brothers films, they set him up with a young woman and then in some sort of trade they're going to get her auditions or promise her parts and things. And that's the story we know about. You know, there's probably a lot more of that in the industry. There has been for 100 years. And that's the worst of our industry. But that guy did lose his job. And I don't know if 10 years ago he would have lost his job.

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  5. Did not stand up for her, and only in recent years have people begun to say, Wait, maybe that was really bad due to an intern.

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  6. Well, by the way, the Democrats were terrible about it. The lack of interest in the abusive power at that time was really disappointing.

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  7. While doing that, it was really awful. And I thought he should just let Al Gore be the president. Get out of the way. And people did not vote for Al Gore partially because they were just bored of all the Clinton stuff. And so they just wanted something new. They wanted to change the channel in some way. And so I feel like the Democrats paid a price by not getting Al Gore to be the president.

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  8. Being really horrified by it. And at the time, I remember just thinking to myself and saying to my friends, he should just step down now. Who wants the guy that's praying on the young girls in the office? Forget the lying, just doing it. You know, my daughter's 22. I know what that age is. I know how much they know. I know how adult they are and the most powerful man in the world is suddenly trying to charm you. It's very abusive. And it's also crazy. I mean, I watch that Monica Lewinsky documentary. I think it was on A&E. When they showed the layout of the offices, how far away he was from other people

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  9. Until you have a daughter who's that age, maybe you don't know what that age is like and what a power imbalance that is, what an abuse of trust to take advantage of somebody like that. It's not a normal affair. It is demented. There was definitely reason to be concerned. And it's hard to judge what the penalty for that is. But I remember at the time.

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  10. And did, but it wasn't a secret in this town the way that some people want to say it was. People were actively trying to keep their clients away from him.

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  11. Yes, and a highly competitive world with people whose psyches are not in control. And so with somebody like Harvey Weinstein, Was talking to his agent, and he said to me Knew about this for years. Whenever I had an appointment with Harvey, he would always do the same thing. Say it's going to be at the cafe at the hotel and then say he's running late. Can we do it upstairs and then let the assistants go? Like they all knew what was happening. This one agent said to me, whenever I had a client see him, I always came with her. Like we knew you don't leave your client alone with him. Now some people probably made the mistake.

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  12. I think it's a bad setup. Like I've got a job. You want it? That's a bad setup for people to, especially in a highly competitive.

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  13. I understand, I believe you, and it was a bit heartbreaking for me. And so I thought, oh, I can say I believe them. I mean, there's 60 people with the exact same story. And then I started meeting them. And the second they start talking about it, you could see it in their eyes. And he shattered these people. He affected the rest of their lives. Least everybody can do is to say, I hear you, and I think it's great that you are speaking up.

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  14. I think for all of it Is about creating an atmosphere where women will feel like they're going to be supported if they stand up and speak their truth. And that atmosphere wasn't there, especially during the Cosby time when we were first learning what he did. And I felt like people were very slow to react, especially people who have a lot of fans, people really did not want to step into it. But what it was, it was creating silence to all these brave people who stood up. Like there weren't people saying.

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  15. Usually don't think that. I think the opposite. I think in my life I always dreamed I would make something that was really great, that was as good as the movies I loved as a kid, you know, stripes or something like that. And so when I had one or two things where I felt hit that bar, it actually makes me more relaxed to take chances because I feel like, well, at least I did it once. At least, you know, freaks and geeks is good. So I can relax on the new movie because I know it's possible we can do it again. And so it actually makes me feel better. I also feel like I've done a lot of stuff. And if people start turning on me, it's okay. I understand. That's good. It's been a while.

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  16. For an hour, and I'm talking to him, and I'm pitching ideas, but that's really all I'm thinking is you're sick from Pollo Loco, you're allowed to leave. And then I went to a therapist and he explained it to me. And it actually was part of my spiritual journey is to just take care of my mind and meditate.

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  17. Exactly, it's Brian Adams' fault. And for days, I had this terrible. Panic attack, and I didn't know what it was. And then I had a meeting with Lauren Michaels to punch up a Chris Farley movie. And I'm still having the panic attack. I don't know, and I don't know what it is. I think I'm going crazy. No one's like, oh, you're having a panic attack. No one ever said the words panic attack to me. And Lauren Michaels is explaining the fixes for the movie that he needs. Here's what's wrong with the story. What do you think about this story element? And the entire time I'm sitting with him for an hour, all I'm thinking is, I'm having a panic attack. I may have to leave. If I have to leave, I'll tell him I had bad Poll Loco earlier

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  18. How to get this ready to go. And I put so much pressure on myself over Happy Gilmore, which it's a classic, but I started having panic attacks. And the first panic attack I had was at my cousin's wedding. I sat down and a group of bridesmaids started singing the Brian Adams song All for Love and my brain melted and my heart started racing. That's

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  19. Well, it's a ridiculous story. I was rewriting the film Happy Gilmore in Vancouver My friend Adam Sandler, this was his second movie, and he wrote it with his friend Tim Hurley, and it was great, but they said, will you come up and help us figure out some final problems and do some punch upon it? But as a young person, in my head, I thought, if this movie's bad, it's all my fault because they asked me to come help them figure out, you know,

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  20. There were periods where I worked more because I had never had a hit. So you start thinking, I really got to put the time in here because if I don't get a hit soon, I'm not going to be a part of this business anymore. And then it's what everyone's dealing with. How many hours are you at work? You know, a movie's a weird thing because you get there at six in the morning and you shoot till 7 or 8 at night. And what if the set's an hour and a half away? And so Leslie and I have very carefully scheduled the best times to do it. So this summer I shot a movie with Pete Davidson from Saturday Night Live, and I just schedule. Shoot it during the summer when my daughter wants to talk to me less anyway. And it's been decades of that.

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  21. The main issue that I brought into it is a certain type of hypervigilance. And I think it makes you beyond the lookout for trouble. What's going to happen? How do we stop it? How can I think about every bad thing that could happen and prevent it before it happens? And what that does is it makes you not very present. Also, it makes you think that work can solve your problems that if I work and I succeed, I have safety or I have happiness. And it actually takes your success to realize that none of that is true, that your success only clears a bunch of stuff away that reveals what your true wounds are that you need to deal with or whatever you're.

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  22. Is a source of endless fascination because we all feel like we're in danger, but also in a weird way, I think we feel for him. You can't help but see like a little kid whose dad treated him awfully. And now he's just trying to be a big man. And it's so obvious. There was a great interview where he talked about the fact that he never went to therapy. And he was proud of it. And you could feel it. There's no sense of introspection. There's no part of his mind that imagine what it's like to be a kid separated from his or her parent. Like, what would that feel like? What would it do to you? That's what I think terrifies us because he's not tuned in as a caring soul. And we all wonder, well, where does that go?

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  23. And then they start reacting for real. Like they seem horrified. Or they're just confused. Like, wait a second. And a nice good guy wouldn't say that. And I think he...

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  24. And at the rally, he can talk nonsense. And they applaud just because they're in rhythm with a speech. One thing I like to do is watch the people standing behind him. Because if you really watch them carefully, after 10 or 15 minutes, he talks for 90 minutes. Yeah, they glaze over.

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  25. And so that's what as a country we're watching a TV show. And the TV show is like, it is like the sopranos. It's the guy who was raised by that guy. And is trying to get love from somebody. He's trying to fill a hole he can't fill. Well, you can see at those.

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  26. Yes, I started going to therapy in my early 20s, and I only wished it started when I was 12. I'm fascinated by pop psychology, real psychology, anything to do with thinking about why you behave the way you behave. And I also think, by the way, not to bring it back to politics, it is what is so fascinating about the president, is it's a combination of personality factors that we've never seen before. We can feel his pain. We can feel his neediness. We can tell where he's broken. It's all very transparent. We know his story. We probably can't even imagine the type of psychological or physical. His father told him there are

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  27. He had Louis Body There's no way to really know how that factored in because it was someone whose joy came from the fact that his mind worked so well and his body worked so well and I think Someone was getting sick and having a disease, which also gives you delusions. I'm sure it was also a very large factor, like there wasn't something very serious going on. Because he definitely struggled and weighs a lot of creative people struggle with addictions and depressions. It is a common thing. And I think because creative people feel a lot of pain and then they also... Empathetic and compassionate, and they can see other people's pain because they haven't and they can write about it or write songs.

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  28. Yeah, we'll never know what it takes to be able to do that, to be able to think that quickly. Because I go online sometimes and I'll just Google Robin Williams and look at YouTube videos, and there's just performances up there. And someone will say, the funniest Robin Williams clip ever. And there's like 200 of them from different people. And it's him at an army base. In Afghanistan or Iraq, just murdering, just being so funny and rolling with a weird situation and things that come up.

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  29. Yes, it made you feel terrible about your own abilities because people don't have that experience. Oh, I'm hanging out with my friend, but my friend happens to be one of the legendary people of all time in his embryonic form. And you could feel the energy around it. I mean, I haven't really seen it since Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey where you feel the world gravitating towards them even before it happens. Just as an energy force, you walk in a party with them and the party would just move. Towards them, just charisma and talents. And so it made me feel like maybe I should write because I could write jokes for them, but I can't do what Jim Carrey's doing up there. And later in life, I thought, well, maybe who I am is fine. Yeah. I don't have to be able to do what Jim does. Yeah, I don't think.

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  30. I think of myself as just someone with worse Twitter habits than the president. That's how I'm active. But for me, I just love comedy, so I might drift towards movies or TV or doing standup, but I love all of it. I get a real kick out of it. And I also like. Friendships with all the people that you get to collaborate with. It's a lot of really.

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  31. From the heart. I don't think I understood that for a few years into my career that the best work was very deeply personal. And so when I did that scene for Freaks and Gings where I showed Bill watching Gary Shanling and laughing by himself, my friend Jake Kasden, who was a producer and director of the show, he said, oh, that's the best thing you've ever done. And then I realized, oh, I guess that's what you're supposed to do is open up to people.

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  32. Well, shame. Shame. Yeah, a lot of it was personal, and it took me a very long time to realize that that's where the best stuff was. I thought you just thought of funny movies like Ghostbusters. And you write jokes and it wasn't.

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  33. Yeah, what do you got in the draw? And, you know, some of that was some of the best stuff that people were afraid of before we proved that maybe someone would go to these movies.

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  34. Yes, that's what I met Leslie. And then that didn't do as well as people hoped. So I was on a run of things not doing well. So when things finally started doing well, I was in my 30s at that point, it was a little easier for me to appreciate it because I never had anyone go to the movie and the numbers they wanted before. And I had written a lot of things and my friends had also that we couldn't get anyone to make. So as soon as one or two of the movies were hits, people said

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  35. Not well. I mean, there's tears and therapy and I had back surgery. I was wound very tight back then. I was popping discs and then I did, you know, a movie called Heavyweights, which we like, which is on Disney Plus right now, but it didn't do well. And then I did the cable guy, which I loved and still do.

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  36. Well, I had an interesting journey in my work, which is I had a lot of work get rejected early in my career, so freaks and geeks was canceled before the first season was over. The Ben Stiller Show was canceled undeclared was canceled. I had a lot of pilots not get picked up.

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  37. I was just going to say that what he may not understand is that he is an entertainer first and in America people get bored with talent. And so at some point, they turn on Game of Thrones. At some point, they turn on the sopranos, no matter how great you are, like they want new product. They're sick of your shtick. And that's a guy when he was running for president by the end was telling the crowds, I will make all your dreams come true.

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  38. But does a speech writer know if I say that Representative Dingle might be in hell? Does Trump or the people around him know that on the day of impeachment, that will take 20% of the news?

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  39. Yeah, and he thinks if he gives you the appropriate honoring that you need to ignore extortion. And what I find most fascinating is does he actually believe any of this?

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  40. It's very much a casino owner. It's like, I gave you a free round of beers. You know, so much of his behavior is about. He's very.

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  41. And it's very scary because we've never had a leader like this who relishes in cruelty. So last night, you know, he's making jokes. We're taking a single.

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  42. Yeah. That Roseanne talked to. Promoting probably casinos and taking all those people's money You know, if you sit around the casino floor, I'm sure everyone's happy to chat with Donald, and he probably has a great sense of. Of how to talk to people. But what it really comes down to is those people didn't get the tax cut. And so he didn't come through for anybody. He came through for himself and for a group of people and corporations that didn't really need that. And I just see him as someone that is betraying their loyalty.

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  43. Well, he certainly has amazing instincts as a communicator. He truly understands flooding the zone. And what I always wondered, I'm sure one day we'll find out, is how much of his style of communication is something that he understands.

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  44. Well, there's clearly a very big disconnect in thinking, and we're all trying to understand why that is. For instance, I always think, why does anybody think Donald Trump has their back? Do they think he's really up blade at night trying to solve your problems that his heart aches for your situation? And so as I'm interested. As a Democrat, one of the things we do is if somebody's awful, we make fun of them because we don't want people to be awful. And people have every ideology do that. And he certainly deserves it. If you love him, I'm sure any anti-Donald Trump joke is super annoying or enraging.

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  45. So, well, especially Roseanne. There's a lot going there. She's a genius. She changed television. She spoke to people that are never spoken to in her creative work. But there's other things happening with her mind. And I can't define what it is. So I'm not making excuses for her, but it's not just a person with clear opinions.

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  46. Spent a lot of time with back then. All the ideas are different. She was a radical, almost punk rock feminist. So it's not just what she got in trouble for. There's a lot of areas where her thinking has evolved in a way that I don't think she would have appreciated as a younger person.

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  47. For president or something All of this. I remember when I first started writing for Roseanne, I said, I can't write jokes for you if I don't know you well. And it was a weird thing to do as a kid to go, can I interview you for a while? We did maybe five, six hours just asking her about her life. So years before she wrote her autobiography where she talked about issues of abuse and mental illness and multiple personalities, she told me about it. It was very real and vulnerable with me and said you can't tell anybody. And then years later she wrote a book and explained it all. So she's clearly had very substantial issues with her mental health. And she's a great person. I mean, she's always wonderful to me, but you do wonder if there's like a tape loop in her head that gets set off around certain issues. And then she loses herself because it's not the Roseanne that I...

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  48. Then she put me on full time for a year to, you know, a lot of that work is typing. You know, when you sit with someone like Roseanne, what she really wants is somebody that she's comfortable being herself around who will not forget to write down the brilliant things that she says and then maybe couldn't organize them or ask certain questions to get her going because you're trying to get someone else's mind excited to flow and be creative. So I did write some jokes, but it was mainly dictation.

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  49. I did. I wrote Roseanne's Act with her during that era of the National Anthem incident. Yes. And I would, you know, I was like a kid and I would go to her house and write jokes at her breakfast table.

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  50. I was very young when it happened. I got the job almost by accident. I had been producing people's stand-up specials, but I'd never done any sketchwork. I'd never been on a staff of a show.

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