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Julie Gurner

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“I don't see that in the people that I work with, but I imagine maybe it's out there. I have not seen that. So, I mean, I think that the challenge with the people that I've worked with is that, you know, they'll reach a certain point, and I see this perhaps with people who get these large offers and they turn them down, right? They think I'm capable of more. I think one of the primary reasons that people engage with me to begin with is that, you know, deep down, they feel just like probably anyone else sitting in your audience probably feels like, hey, I'm capable of more than where I'm at. And so, you know, they're on a mission to really actualize that drive. And when they reach a certain point, you know, their companies are large, their state of affairs is fairly envious. I don't think that that goes away. And, you know, currently, I even have someone that I work with, and it's like a very large kind of family business.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Agree. That's a great way to phrase it. And I think we have the ability to release it in our direction. If we can align it with like the company goals, can align with your goals. If you can help them see that kind of open. You can create, and you know, if you do it right, life changing money for not just you but for an entire team of people. And does that end up tapping into things that line them up and motivate them? Absolutely. People are pushing harder, or at least that's the theory, right? That they're pushing harder and they really want the company to win because not only do they want this company to succeed, but they have generational investment in making that happen for themselves and their families and other people in their lives.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“ones figuring out what this person's goals what are their drivers what are the things they want and being able to tie your work and your opportunity to those things I think can really pull people I think it can get them really engaged but you have to have kind of this baseline internal hunger to start with and so that's kind of how I conceptualize that”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, that's such a good question. I think that internal drive is something you can't teach. And I'm very, you know, perhaps that goes against current wisdom. I do think that as long as someone has that internal hunger and that internal drive, you know, there was a, there's an old saying that you should hire people who are PhDs, poor hungry, and driven. And while that may not always be the case, I think the internal drive aspect is something you really can't teach. I think you've got it or you don't. I think that for other people, however, like can you tap into that? Absolutely. So for example, you can have an incredibly internally motivated person who doesn't see the opportunity to really flex at the particular job that they have. And can you motivate that person and engage them with things that tap into their internal drivers? Absolutely. So knowing that person really well, you know, and you're wondering.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that they do use discipline in those times, right? Like we all push through, and I think that makes it, we feel a lot of gratification in that. In fact, it's an interesting correlation that grit and happiness are actually correlated, right? So when we see ourselves pushing through things, we're proud of ourselves and we feel good about who we are. We certainly don't use that as a primary strategy in life where it makes life pretty unbearable.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Driven. They are motivated. They are deeply, deeply engaged. And so I find that oftentimes when we over-rely on discipline, those are the times we start to see like Olympic athletes retiring, right? Like they don't want to, if it starts to feel like a slog and you're pushing yourself every day, I mean, we all have periods of that, but too long and that really becomes laborious. And to me, it's often a flag that perhaps you shouldn't be in that area at all.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is very useful, and I think it's useful in a few different cases, right? So if you want to get back on a, you know, a virtuous cycle, maybe you've fallen out of your exercise routine. And so you need to get back into it and you really do have to push yourself that day to get back to the gym. Perhaps it's useful if you're doing something completely new. You're going to really take a leap and I really have to push myself. I know it's good for me. I don't want to take that chance, but I'm going to do it. And so you really push yourself. So, I mean, and, you know, sometimes people have off days, right? You don't feel like doing things and you just do them anyway. But I feel as though the discipline is often really, I think it's talked about because it feels tough to do. Like, you know, we're doing the hard thing. We're slogging through. But when we are at our best, we're not slogging through. And great people are obsessed and they're not slogging through either.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I mean, one of the things that I think about is that oftentimes people get the advice that you have to rely on discipline. And from working with people who are at a very high caliber of operation, one of the things that I find honestly is that discipline requires a lot of push, right? Like I'm going to be, I'm very disciplined about my workout. I'm really going to push it. Motivation is a pull. It is something that is internal, that fuels you, that drives you. And a number of the people that I tend to work with are very obsessed. Like you don't have to push them to go to a meeting. You don't have to say, hey, Ted, like you have to go to the, you know, go to work today. And Ted's like, oh, Hemming and Hawing, you know, he's stoked to go to work. In fact, his wife is probably telling him to turn work off at night at some point to stop talking about work, to stop thinking about work on the weekends. So I think that oftentimes, you know, discipline.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We let life happen to us, right? And we don't decide that we are going to control the trajectory of it. And I think that that's true, whether it's in the small moments and sometimes even in the large ones. Like people will stay unhappy at a job or stay unhappy in their role. And they'll just stay unhappy. But why does it have to get to that point? Early intervention in almost every case is worth the attention, the hassle, the time that it takes because those are the moments that allow you to really gain ground thinking about how you want your life to look and what you're willing to put up with.”
2023-06-27 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT