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Karl Rove

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  1. “Big, big, pitched battle. Battle. I mean, I think the opposition spent like $75,000 on the campaign, which was a big amount of money”

    2016-09-19 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 80 - Karl Rove · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “With the Rockefeller campaign, but a profitable one. Think what would have happened had they gotten you involved and created a longtime loyalty to the Republican Party?”

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  3. “Rockefeller was the New York governor and he personally selected the New York College Republican chairman, kidnamed Ted Krull, which whose father was a famous boxing commissioner in the state. But anyway, my view was they were the officials of their respective states, Massachusetts, New York. And my job was to deal with them. It wasn't to ignore them. And so this was my Cardinal sin. I was a big tent Republican and the other side wanted to be a smaller tent.”

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  4. “Norquist was the Connecticut chairman, I believe. He was at Yale and a real cast of crazy characters. And Richard Vickory underwrote it. And I was the Rockefeller Republican. I was a conservative Westerner. But my sin was that when I was executive director of the College Republicans, there were Rockefeller Republicans. Nelson Rockefeller was Rockefeller.”

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  5. “Fat lay winner on to found the conservative political conservative political action committee. And then Roger Stone, Morton Blackwell, who's the National Committee Man even today from Virginia. And it was underwritten.”

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  6. “Yeah, well, there we go. Okay, it was a huge pitch battle nationwide. The opposing candidate was John T. Terry Dolan of the District of Columbia College Republicans. His campaign manager was Roger Stone. Terry Dolan O'Neill.”

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  7. “Anyway No, no, yeah, I was encouraged by my mentors in college Republicans to run for the chairmanship in 1973. And so, yeah, I ran into”

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  8. “Allen J. Dixon, who couldn't have been nicer about it, and said We all do stupid things when we're young, and we actually became friends. I helped him try and find a publisher for his memoirs, which are a wonderful story of, I mean, they're a great story of downstate Illinois machine politics. I mean, when he was writing it, he would tell me stories about it and say, should I put this in there? And I mean, things like, you know, there are guys with bags of cash sitting in the firehouse. And so I said, put it in there. And it's a great little story about politics as it used to be.”

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  9. “Oh, God, they stormed it. And, you know, so here's the scene of hundreds of bums showing up at the demanding free beer and free food at his rally. And he handled it with great appalm. I remember exactly what he said. He said, this just goes to show that the Democratic Party is the party of the common man. Anyway, all hell broke loose for a couple of days. I was told to make myself scarce downstate. Years later, I'm up for the board for international broadcasting that oversees radio for Europe and Radio Liberty. And who's on the committee that has to approve my Alan J.”

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  10. “Or he would become one I did a stupid thing is what you do. You're being nice about it. There was a really attractive volunteer receptionist, young, young girl our age, and her parents were Democrats. And they got this very nice formal invitation to Dixon's headquarters opening in Chicago. And one other young guy and I got the stupid idea that what we would do is we would take that invitation. It was obviously meant for the Holy Poly and the Gold Coast of North Chicago. And reprinted, distributed among the bums in the bowery which we proceeded to do with the headlines of something like free beer, free food, and that we distributed them around. It got a piece of the Dixon letterhead from a news release. And anyway, reprinted at a local print shop. Did they show?”

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  11. “Exactly. I went back to school, but there was a temporary executive director. There was a part of a political deal. A body had become chairman. He was the vice chairman. And when the chairman had to resign because he became a top employee at the defense department, the college Republicans were then at this point run by people who are not in college. So they hired a temporary executive director who turned into a disaster. And so I was asked to get on the plane every couple of weeks on Thursday night or Friday and take a student standby, fly to Washington, D.C., spend three or four days cleaning up the office, answering the mail, returning the phone calls, preparing the material, and then fly back to Utah to take my classes. And at the end of this, a body got re-elected to a two-year full term of his own and asked me to become his executive director. Which I did.”

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  12. “Yeah, I became by total accident the executive director of the National And the chairman was a fellow named Joabody, a lawyer, young lawyer in New York City, and I became the executive director for basically most of two years, and then when his pain?”

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  13. “19 Mets, what happened with you? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, no. I literally was on my own and I was a freshman at the University of Utah. I got to go to college because I got a $1,500 a year scholarship, but I was on my own. I was the only place I could live was I'd literally rented a storage space underneath the eaves of a house and slept in a sleeping bag. My closet was a nail. My light was one of those, you get them from an auto supply store, you know, with the wire cage over it. And until I was working several jobs trying to keep trying to trying to make certain I've had something to eat and could pay my little was not covered by my scholarship.”

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  14. “Absolutely. I mean, if possible, get help for those that are suffering from mental illness. You know, think about it. Your dad, my mom probably today, if diagnosed early would be able to have some regime of drugs that would help them navigate this. It happened to both of us in part because our parents didn't get help and because society sort of looked at gas. Well, the odd thing about mine.”

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  15. “But anyway, she led from then on a sort of a troubled life sort of right on the edge of keeping it together, and then she remarried and that broke up and she found herself literally without a house and without a She was going to lose her house to bankruptcy and she had dark. You know, dark moments, and my sister was with her, and they sort of cobbled together a path. You know, it was literally friends had said, you can stay here. And somebody said you can have this car. It will help you. But she had finally, there was a little bit of light. And my sister and she went for a ride and my sister said she just had a sense for the first time that mom was sort of, you know, in a period of time was starting to see that there was a possibility. And within a matter of hours she had committed suicide. Drove into the desert”

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  16. “Christmas Eve and they loved each other. In fact, they loved each other till the end of their lives, but they came to a bitter break. Over where we were going to live and they divorced and I found myself literally alone at the age of nineteen. My dad was living in Los Angeles where he'd got a terrific job with Getty Oil as a jolly, he was a geologist. And when they divorced, we were living in Salt Lake and my mother immediately moved back to Reno. She did not like Utah and was, you know, if you're around the Mormon people, you either develop an enormous respect for them as a people, or you come to loathe them. And I was the former, she was the latter.”

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  17. “Yeah, and my mother was troubled person. She never seemed to be able to hold a course in life. My parents had divorced when I was nineteen.”

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  18. “But I think the West, grown up in small towns in the West, and that's where we mostly lived was sort of like Washington was far away and you had a sense of personal responsibility and you were responsible for yourself. And with that sense of personal freedom. And I just think I sort of ended up going that way. Another part of it had to be, though, I don't know how or why, but everybody has their fifth grade civics paper the first time you have civics in the fourth or fifth grade and you have to write a paper and there are three branches of government or our constitution. I wrote mine on the theory of dialectical materialism'cause I was reading this book by a guy named Marx and I didn't know all of it, but it's He sounded pretty bad, so I was a fervent anti communist by the time I was in my preteens. So that had something.”

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  19. “You know, it's a good question. I'm not certain I've got a good answer. I think part of it has to do I was growing up in the West. And now the West, Colorado, because of the old sort of remnants of the populist revolt of the early part of the 20th century, still was crankily, you know, a swing state. Utah was a swing state. Nevada had been largely, again, Democrat because of the old free silver battles and miners and so forth.”

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  20. “And I became close to JD, a wonderful guy, and had a wonderful experience there. But you're right. By the end of my freshman year, I received a job offer to work in a campaign in Illinois. And so I worked that campaign and registered for classes in September of 1970 and showed up in November”

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  21. “Yeah, got active in the college Republicans there immediately. And also University of Utah has a great institution sort of like you've got a Chicago, the Hinkley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah. which was headed then by JD Williams.”

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  22. “A great signal to other people if you in the political arena but you put your country first and are willing to say you know what I'm going to stop receiving that paycheck for a while so I can go serve and help the president get a confirmation of a tough nominee or help superintend a Supreme Court nominee through the through the faces there might be something else.”

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  23. “Legendary guy. So he went to Baghdad as an advisor to the provisional authority. And so our ambassador came home from Belgium and I was talking to the president about it. He said, got any ideas? And I said, yeah, I got one weird idea. I said, Tom Corlogist. He's sort of semi-retired now. But he's served his country without qualm, stepped away from his business, told his clients, I'll see you in six months and handle tough assignments for every president. And it handled tough assignments for you and handled some confirmation. He was helpful on Roberts. Alido, I said, Why don't we make him the ambassador? He said, good idea. You call him. What a cool thing. What a cool call to be able to make to say the president would like you to consider being the ambassador to Belgium, which was a”

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  24. “And so you got to do a lot of things. Incidentally, just to carry that story forward, I kept in touch with Coralugus over the years. And after, and he was the wise man. I mean, literally John Tower, he handled that. He handled all the Supreme Court nominations for Nixon.”

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  25. “But no, absolutely right. And particularly the thing about smaller because, I mean, actually, the Bennett campaign was a lot of fun, even though it was a Senate campaign because Utah was a relatively small state.”

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  26. “Parochial debate here. Teachers change lives. Neutroll. Good ones really change lives. And at 68, people don't remember this, but Utah was a battleground state. And so Nixon, Wallace, and Humphrey all came to Salt Lake City. And Mr. Tolman took us to every appearance and got a bus. We went early because he wanted us to get right up front. And so we were there at the Mormon Tabernacle for each of their appearances right down front. And it was eye-opening.”

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  27. “He was chief of staff for Bennett, and then he was an advisor to Nixon. He was an advisor really to Ford and then Reagan, and then both Bushes. And he was sort of the wise man in Washington. And if you had a tough confirmation fight, particularly for the Supreme Court, You drew Bennett and you drew Corlogus in, he would handle it for you.”

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  28. “Yeah, exactly, exactly, really old dudes. And he said, I said, What are you here for? And I said, I want to volunteer. And he said, Well, great. Get some, you know, do's this or that this day. I don't know what I can't remember what it was. But he said, get some kids and come back this weekend and make signs. So I got a couple of buddies we showed up and we had hammers and nail guns and stuff and made signs for the weekend. He said, great, you're chairman of Salt Lake County students for high school students for Bennett. So we did lots of fun things. And what was really interesting is the guy's name was Tom Coralokus, whom you may know.”

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  29. “But he saw something in me and said he was very stern, very formal. Everyone was miss or mister And he said, Mr Rove, everyone can get an A in the class by satisfactory completion of the coursework except you. You must get involved in a political campaign. And he didn't care which party, he just he saw that I had a political interest and he wanted to fan the flames. So I remember going to the headquarters. Bennett was seventy some odd years old running for reelection opposed by a young anti war professor from the University of Utah JD Williams, and it was nineteen seventy and actually nineteen sixty eight and everybody was sort of wired up. And so I walked in the headquarters, and there seemed to be this really, really old guy who's in charge of the campaign. Looking back now, he probably was in his mid to late 30s. Yes.”

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  30. “Yeah, I did. Actually, I owe great debt to the fellow who told me I had to work in a campaign. I had a great teacher, Elden V. Tolman, who was about as different from me as night and day. He was a Johnson Democrat. I remember vividly him talking one day about the United States Senate, the United States House, and the best example of an outstanding leader was Gail McGee of Wyoming. Yeah, right. The chairman of the post office and civil service committee. And he was the steward of the local affiliation.”

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  31. “Got a VW convertible and a spirited end of the school through the shop teacher was a sort of amused at this whole idea. So he let us sneak it through the wide doors in the shop and into a hallway. And so when it came time for me to be announced, they threw open the doors and I was driven into the high school basketball. Court with Barlow behind, I think it was Barlow behind the wheel with a driver's head on, and I was in the back seat with two incredibly attractive senior women on either side of me and gave my speech and won. And did”

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  32. “And you do a skit and Sorensen, John, Sorensen, had won both his races by having himself wheeled into the auditorium in what was a makeshift outhouse, which gives John. So we sort of assumed that that's what he was going to do, and we figured out how to one-up him.”

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  33. “and got them to be my campaign chairman and made me resign from the election commission and ran against John Sorensen who'd been the chairman of our who'd been the president of our sophomore and junior classes and was now running for the second VP. The big thing there was you had to do posters and I got the really cool nerd artist kids to, we did posters make cutting things out of magazines and pasting them up there. And anyway, they were cool posters with slightly for a Mormon high school. You know, dangerous lyrics, let us say. But the big thing was you had to have a big, you had to give a speech, which I was pretty good at, before the student body.”

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  34. “Yeah, complete nerd. So my junior year, I was appointed to the election commission, which had to count the ballots and stuff. And then the student body advisor, Pat Farrell, who's a terrific teacher, decided that I ought to run for second vice president of the school, which was the student council president. And so which was completely, you know, like, wait a minute, the only people that I ran with were the complete nerds on the debate team. So she got a friend of mine, Craig Barlow, who was on the basketball team. We had a great basketball team. And his girlfriend, who had a yellow MGB.”

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  35. “Yeah, but completely inadvertent, I was a tiny little guy with a squeaky voice on the debate team and hush puppies, carried around a briefcase, had a pocket protector. Yeah, I was going to ask about that plastic pocket. Yeah, exactly. So I was a word nerd.”

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  36. “Northern Nevada for later, exactly. Also got a snake to kiss from the incredibly attractive 18-year-old clerk. My final night before leaving for Salt Lake. But I went to high school in Salt Lake.”

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  37. “Yeah, well, intermediate stop was Reno, Sparks Nevada, Little Railroad Town outside of Reno that's now just, you know, they've blended together, the huge suburb of Reno. And that's where I got my first experience in governing. I worked a summer, I was 14 years old and worked the summer in the Washoe County Clerk's Office. Maybe I was fifteen and had a great summer working filing records, you know, divorce decrees and bankruptcies and so forth.”

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  38. “Yeah, my God. Exactly. If that little kid, of course, the little Catholic girl across the street was not for Nixon. She was for Kennedy when she saw me. She literally pulled me off the bicycle, got on top of me, and pounded the crap out of me, gave me a bloody nose.”

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  39. “I was a Nixon guy. I think my first political memory is that of Dwight Eisenhower suffering a heart attack because part of his rehabilitation, President Eisenhower's rehabilitation was in Colorado Springs, so it must have been in the papers and so forth. But yeah, I was involved in the, I played a critical role in helping move Colorado into the Republican column in 1960. I had a bicycle with a wire basket on the front and I somehow scored a Nixon bumper sticker and put it on the front of my bicycle and rode it up and down the street in Arvada, Colorado, thinking somehow this was a really persuasive activity on behalf of people”

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  40. “Yeah, absolutely. And which is odd because my family was completely apolitical. We never talked politics around the kitchen table and nobody was active in politics and no one was a precinct chairman or delegate to the county convention. So I don't know where it came from, but I've always, as long as I remember, I've been interested in politics.”

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  41. “I'm the worst kind of Texan. I'm a convert. They're like Catholic converts. They're even more fervent in their Catholicism, converted Texans, even more fervent in their Texicism.”

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