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Katherine Wu

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“Think that both are going to be really keen on getting reasoning models out there to the public with different speeds. They want something that can code faster, that can reason for you reliably. I got a demo where getting back to agents is I got a demo from OpenAI where they called a fake dessert shop to place an order for them, but it did get some things wrong. That's the future that these companies are seeing is autonomous agents that can reason. So I think that's what we're going to continue seeing. I was promised by OpenAI that we'll start seeing those agents in the wild as soon as early 2025. So we'll see.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Two things. I don't think anyone was going to choose a safer Facebook. They just want the one that's, as you said, is in front of them, the one that works better, the one they enjoy using. So I think that's how that's going to shake out. I don't think the normal person, my siblings are going to care which one's safer. Who decides if they're safe? I really do like the idea of them having to talk to the government and be completely and fully transparent about what their models are capable of and what those tests are doing. Because I find pause that they're able to be like, no, it's fine. Like we tested it. It's totally chill. They do have some third-party researchers, but it's not as transparent as it could be. So yeah, I think regulation would be a good place to start the government having their own researchers and be like, okay, we are going to test this model for safety. We're not just going to rely on these people to test themselves. And that's how you prove if this is safe, if these are people we can trust.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Everything will be groovy, and no one's really in charge. Who is to say whether Iliaskover's company, which is literally, I believe, called safe superintelligence, is actually safer than anthropic. Like there's no, there's just a lot of people claiming this thing that they think the market wants or people might want or is worth the money, but there's, I don't think the market broadly understands that it even wants that or how to measure it or how to say it. And then the other choice you have is some other body of people, whether that's just the providers of cloud computing or whether it's the government could make some decisions and they seem not motivated or not capable to make those decisions.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where we're at right now, just to sum this up, it feels like Everyone is racing towards building the same kinds of products against the same vision at faster and slower rates. Some people think they shouldn't because they might destroy the world.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's so funny because there's this line in Silicon Valley, the TV show that I quote in my article is like, I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where someone makes the world a better place than we do That's where we're at right now. Why should we be forced to trust these big tech executives? Like, why does it have to be in the hands of just a handful of big tech executives? Have they really proven that they can be trusted with digital God?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Kind of sounds like The fact that the big tech companies have a ton of control is the regulating part of the market right now. It's not Gavin Newsom. It's not whatever Biden administration executive orders were passed. It's not any other law. It's not competition between them, even though they all say they're safer. Maybe just Sachin Adela saying, well, you seem out of control. I'm going to build my own. Or it's Andy Jassy saying, I want to use AWS for something else. It seems like that is actually the place where the most control over these companies will be expressed.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think that we're trying to get our hands on the slippery fish. It's so nascent. I don't know if the people who are building this and the people who are regulating this know exactly what to do to fix something that is so new. It feels like trying to regulate Facebook when it was still a Harvard social media platform. It's just hard to figure out exactly how this will change the world. And I'm not sure promising utopia is going to help. I don't know if promising dystopia is going to help. We just don't know for sure how that this is going to shake out.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it is true that we live in the shadow of that law and people have many, many opinions of it. Here it just seems a lot simpler, right? Like, I feel like we know how to write product liability laws. Is it just too hard or the tech industry is too good at? Claiming that no government can ever possibly understand their work.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In terms of SB 1047, which is that Regulation California, that was a really difficult one because California is filled with these technologists who do not exactly want strict regulation right out of the gate. And Governor Gavin Newsom was lobbied pretty hard against passing this, and people were threatening to leave. And so much of the California economy does rely on these big spenders coming here and building their technology. So in terms of California regulation, I think that's going to be an uphill battle. I think it's going to rely on federal regulation. And I think that remains to be seen if they'll get that right. I don't know if they have a history of getting that right. And I think, you know, I wasn't a journalist when Section 230 was passed, but I think that has caused a lot of unease that we should pass something now to control this before things get worse and we have no control over the technology that runs our society. I get that unease.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's two ways to keep folks in line. One is ferocious market competition and people just vote with their dollars. The other way is politics where people vote with their votes. I'm not sure that the market competition is producing much. Alignment, for lack of a better word. Like no one's picking an AI system right now because it's quote unquote safer. They're just picking one that's in front of them. And maybe one day they'll just pick the one that's preloaded on their iPhone. On the politics side, California had a bill and Gavin Newsom just vetoed it. It would have made these products safer. Anthropic didn't oppose it. They didn't endorse it. There was some ferocious opposition. Is the politics this is doomed and we're relying on the market?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is so funny back to that episode on tribalism I was talking about that I listened to a podcast about. Their advice against tribalism was like, you should probably just take people at their word and believe that they believe what they're saying. And I thought that's a great way to look at it. I do believe that they think that they're building AGI and going to change the world and such. In terms of trust, I think it is my job to be skeptical. I don't think I can read a blog and tell our readers they are definitely going to do this and just ignore all of the other factors at play here. I think that they have to earn that trust. I think that this is sort of a pitch we have seen for years. Look at all of the times tech executives have promised to cure death, to give us to Mars, to fix all of these ailments. And here we still are with all of these ailments. So I think that they just have to earn it. And I think that's okay. They can't just demand today that we all trust them because”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think we should trust these folks? That's a tough one. My instinctive answer is no, right? We're reporters. We shouldn't trust them. But they are trying to build things that products are shipping. You can use them to whatever extent you want to use them. They have a vision. You can believe it or not. Are they generally trustworthy in your interactions with them or the people they work for? Or the people who work for them?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Was thinking about this for the people who want to argue with me about how I don't truly believe in AGI and such, I think if these are your messiahs and you don't also just notice them as businessmen to think that this is not full of tactical decisions like these blog posts are not tactically written with tons of factors in mind is just ludicrous. I think it would be a lot easier to focus on those technology pressures when you didn't have the business pressures because you need the money, you need the talent to move your technology forward and these people are like throwing elbows for this kind of thing. Again, like Zuckerberg writing emails, XAI holding recruiting parties in San Francisco and inviting open AI employees, it's testy out here and you have to do anything to fight your way in.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you think that the state of the industry and the tone of these big pitches is related to these business pressures? Hey, we have to start shipping products that people pay for at scale to prove out that there's demand for all of this investment. Hey, there's ferocious competition for talent. Hey, our big cloud provider benefactors might start to wonder if they should just build their own products. It seems like that's a lot of anxiety that is being expressed as, oops, we might destroy the world if we succeed.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think it is as testy. Not that I've heard, not that it's been reported. It seems like Anthropic is moving a lot slower. It's a lot less dramatic. There's not the boardroom coups or, you know, the splashy releases ahead of Google I.O. There's not the”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They are completely dependent on these cloud companies, and they are realizing that. And they're trying to figure out how to be slightly less dependent. I mean, Sam Altman is apparently going around the world trying to pitch his own multi-trillion dollar chip startup so he can own.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Create a backup plan. And I think that's where inflection comes in, and that's what some of the New York Times article gets into. Mustafa Suleiman, who was the CEO of Inflection, is now the CEO of AI at Microsoft. I just think it's so messy. They both want to build the future and they both depend on each other.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So OpenAI needed money because Elon Musk was a co founder of OpenAI and said, actually, I am not into this anymore. Bye. And he took all his money with him. And they really needed money. And Microsoft saved them. And now OpenAI is in an awkward position where they really need Microsoft to survive because that's who provides the bulk of their compute. They have an exclusive cloud partnership with them. So now we have gotten to a point where, oh my gosh, Microsoft does not have enough compute. So they are not happy about that. Microsoft made one concession in this exclusive agreement to let them make a partnership with Oracle to get some more compute, which was rare. But yes, Altman was ousted last year, and I think that really pissed off Satya. I think he was having a nice Thanksgiving break. And I think that he had to go on CNBC and defend OpenAI. And he's like, we are just too dependent on this company for the future, what I believe is the future of technology. So we've got to.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At OpenAI, who are apparently complaining that Microsoft won't give it enough compute so it can train the next model and actually build AGI. What is going on here? Is this just those two companies had a weird falling out after Sam got ousted and came back? Is it open AI's totally dependent on Microsoft and there's friction there? If Microsoft goes away, can OpenAI continue to succeed?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Investors think there's a massive payout waiting for them on the other side of the race to build AGI. So I think that brings us to now, basically. OpenAI is converting to a for-profit. It seems that's very contentious just before we started speaking there was both a big New York Time story and a big Wall Street Journal story about different aspects of that process and mostly OpenAI's relationship with Microsoft. So how much equity will Microsoft get in exchange for already being the biggest investor slash donator to OpenAI right now? And then how much more compute and how much more dependency will Microsoft have on OpenAI versus going in some way? There's a lot in there. My favorite piece is that if OpenAI does build AGI, it gets out of its Microsoft contract, which is cited as a goal, as an incentive for OpenAI. We should build digital gods so we can get out of this Microsoft deal, which is hilarious. It's just on its face hilarious. And then there's also people.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, it is clear that investors were like, it'll be fine. And now they have to change from a nonprofit to a for-profit because they're like, actually, I don't want to just donate. I want some money back. So that's where we're at. And they're figuring it out.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For us and for the listeners, I think that this is also really unclear to the people who are building it and investing in it because if you look at OpenAI's mission statement on their website, it has like a big pink box that says anything you invest should be considered a donation.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Worth it? I mean There is again so nascent, so many ways to be argued, and I think that's what I find the hardest part about covering AI is that it is just so easy to argue about the smallest things all day. They believe that you have to completely change the structure, which we build LLMs to reach AGI. And yes, that this is not the path to take to reach it. Very smart people like Jan believe that, no, you can't just horsepower your way through building AGI. I think my answer is I would like to see. I would like to see proof. I am just asking every day for proof and we don't have it.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let me ask you one very dumb question, and I do want to talk about the big companies and how they're related to all this, both Anthropic, OpenAI, the rest of them, they're all kind of built on LLMs, right? Like they're built on one very foundational technology, and the idea is that if we just throw more data and compute and time and electricity and money at it, we can just get there. We're just going to horsepower our way into an AGI. Then at Meta, there's Jan Lakun, who's like, no, you can't. There's some other people who are very skeptical of this approach. Can they do it? Is this the right path? Is this even worth it?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No. I do believe that Altman and Dario actually believe that this is how AI is going to change the world. I do believe that the researchers It's weird. It's just weird. It's like, okay Well, obviously this seems tied to the fact that you need to raise a lot of money, and XAI just raised the most that anyone's ever raised, and then OpenAI raises the most that anyone's ever raised. Everyone's trying to build the next biggest model, and it costs a lot of money. And saying, we're going to be really slow and chill, and that doesn't really make people excited to invest. The devil's advocate position is, does he really need to do that? Does he need to write a blog to get people to invest? It's already so buzzy. And I just come back to the competition. Competition has never gotten stiffer.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To come back to that and how much these companies are reliant on the big companies because there's a lot of complication there, but just big picture, here we are, famous tech CEOs or writing manifestos about building digital gods so they can somehow spread democracy. And I'm getting this is all just deployed to raise money vibe from you. Is it that simple? Is it that cynical?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I think so. I wouldn't say that I'm so well versed in funding and finance, but I think I can do normal math. And if they're losing billions of dollars hand over fist and they're only raising 6.6 billion dollars, you're not making a profit. You're kind of screwed. You're going to run out of money. I don't think any of these companies are going to go under, but the smallest companies that don't have a Microsoft or an Amazon to fund them. I think that those are the companies that are going to suffer that we've already seen that with like inflection, for example.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is there any chance that these companies are going to run out of money before they raise again? Like, if they're burning it that fast and need to raise this much, it does feel like these lines might converge faster than anyone hopes”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I think that you're just running out of money. I think if they want to build the next frontier model, it's like Dario says this himself, that we are reaching models that are going to take a hundred billion dollars to train. Like they just need that money to train the next frontier models. And also these VCs really want to see the next GPT-5, right? So they need to rush quickly to get this compute, to spend this money. And they're just burning through it.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All these fundraising moments are happening right on top of each other, right? OpenAI just raised XAI is raising obviously Anthropic is looking. Is there a reason? Is this just a coincidence, a life cycle of these companies?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wrote about this in terms of agents, that's what everyone's building Google, Anthropic, OpenAI. They're all building agents. So that's kind of what we've been talking about, this autonomous AI that can do your work for you, that can book travel for you, etc. I think that this is the next thing that they believe will be able to show off that these large language models are useful and can also charge for it. Do I actually think that they're going to be profitable anytime soon? No, I don't think that's coming anytime soon”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“While researchers cost millions and millions of dollars at this point because they are in such small supply and there was a story not that long ago that Mark Zuckerberg was emailing researchers directly to recruit them. So there's a lot at stake for researchers, so they're getting a lot of money. That's a huge chunk. And yes, GPUs, cloud compute, it cost so much money to train these models. I had likened this just in conversation about this to like imagine you're leaving your AC on all the time at home and then 1000X that. You already know what your bill looks like when you leave your AC on too long. It is so expensive to cool these GPUs to run them all day long and then people are also using your products which are run on large language models that run on these computes. So that's expensive as well. It's just a very, very expensive operation and it eats up money because they're not making much money.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You wrote about Daria's post. You wrote in that piece Anthropic is looking to raise at a $40 billion valuation. OpenAI just raised $6.6 billion. Is all this money just for NVIDIA GPUs? What are they spending it on?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that it's important to sell a utopia in a dystopia is harder to sell. That was my take reading it because I have yet to see this from anthropic since they were born that we're going to build this utopia. It's been mostly we need to slow down and that doomer sort of personality that they've adopted. I think it really just has to come down to market pressures. They have to compete. They have to be as cool as Sam Altman. It's the drama, the intrigue, the building utopia. It's where you'd want to put your money. It's where you might want to work.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So let's talk about anthropics specifically. Dario's post particularly interesting because anthropic has the safety reputation because they were the first of their kind to leave OpenAI and say we're building a safer one. But the post is, hey, I'm still building AGI. Even though we have this reputation, even though I want to go slow, and even though we care about safety, I'm chasing the same goal as open AI. Why do you think he's trying to walk that line right now?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and I think that you can see why these researchers are so sensitive to a change in equilibrium and why they're like, okay, open AI is not safe. We've got to go to anthropic, which takes these dangers much more seriously. And I think the broader public doesn't exactly see these dangers because if you can't count the number of R's in strawberry, how is it going to destroy the world? But a certain subset of these people take it very seriously. But no, I don't know how we get there.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think a lot of people see the AI safety debate as don't make racist pictures and grock. Whatever, don't let Gemini make racist photos and they're going to pull it down and we're going to make sure we don't do it. And there's just a combination of content moderation and prompt engineering that feels very familiar. That debate feels very familiar. And then there's... The bigger problem, which is what if these things take actions that we don't want them to take? Because we've given them control. We have given control of the electrical grid to AI, and we know it's safe. Which is the promise of the AGI system? And it feels like we can't solve the first one So, how on earth are we going to solve the biggest one?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a whole lot of benchmarks, and I got to write an article about reward hacking, which was my favorite thing, which basically the AI lying to you. Really fun stuff. So, yeah, they do a whole bunch of benchmarks. They do a whole bunch of safety tests. My opinion here, what I'm gleaning from this is that safety is moving slow and thoughtfully versus moving fast to launch things.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Funny because I wrote about this. I said open AI is no longer a research lab, it is a tech company like everyone else. And I had researchers reach out to me and disagree. My take is that it's like academics.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, it had better follow the rules we lay out for it OpenAI famously overthrows Sam Altman for 25 minutes because their board thinks that he's not trustworthy, but now he's back and then everyone's quitting because they want to start safer AI startups. What is going on there? Is OpenAI just not building a safe AI? Is it not safe enough? What are the dynamics?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We can never know for certain unless they say out loud this is why I wrote this. And I think, you know, it's sort of my job to look at this and not just take it at face value because when I read it, I thought, well, anthropic is reportedly looking for funding right now and the competition has never been more fierce. Everyone is leaving OpenAI to build an even safer AI company every day. Mira Marathi, their CTO, is reportedly making her own company. And then another VP of research there might also be making their own company. And that's just like in the last month. So you have to compete for money. You have to compete for talent. You have to compete for compute to a lesser extent. But money and talent are really where it's at right now. And safety is not like the sexiest pitch. I do believe that these AI executives believe what they're saying, that they're going to build utopia. I think why Dario released his blog at the time that he did, which was out of step for anthropic. He says,”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I read the entire Amade blog and I felt as starry-eyed and cool as this utopia might be. Where are we to getting there? Like, what is the answer to actually getting there? And I have the job of explaining to readers who are extremely skeptical because they're like, it can't even count the letter of R's in strawberry. What are you talking about? I don't feel like they're doing a great job at convincing us that the tools that we have today are much different, that we won't just need humans. I just don't see like a coherent path other than don't worry, we're building utopia. Don't worry about it. Just give us money.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The promise I sort of understand, right, will have ultra powerful computing systems that can reason and help us solve problems and they'll never get tired or have feelings about what we're using them for. Fine. I read these blog posts. I read Sam's and it seems like the part where a bunch of people still have to make decisions. Is fully swept under the rug.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What they like to say is that when it comes to really complex issues, it will work all day, hours and hours, thinking through this issue, and then it will come back for clarification. So that's the caveat. It's like, no, it's not going to control everything, but it will control those rote tasks and then come back to you and be like, okay, I thought about this. Can you answer these questions? What do you think about this? Think of it as a partner in that way, but they ultimately, yeah, they don't want you to have to check up on it all the time. That's true.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is a show about decision making. And every time I hear a pitch like that, it occurs to me that the goal is to give up some enormous amount of decision making. I don't know how to distribute food throughout our city or lay out the electrical grid or whatever it is. And we're just going to let the robots in the data center do it. And the data center might be owned by Sam Laman. That's fine. Don't worry about it. And then we'll be free because the AI will just do it. That's the pitch, right? Is that we'll just hand over a bunch of control to an AGI. I mean, that's why I keep calling it digital God.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's again 14,000 words. He really sells this in a way that these tiny breakthroughs just, you know, for science, he had quoted this person who said, you know, it's all these tiny breakthroughs that get you to larger breakthroughs. So it can make us more efficient in terms of our processes. And that can be said for large-scale data analytics, for finance, for medicine, for a lot of different sectors. So what they see is a model that can understand and analyze and parse through large, large, large amounts of data in ways humans can't. And they see all the ways that can change the efficiencies of certain sectors in which it can get us humans to have more breakthroughs. But not only that, they are hoping that they can do this autonomously all the time. So I think he says a million of the smartest people in a data center is how he views this.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Can you actually explain the mechanism of that to me? I've used these tools today Some of them are very powerful. They can certainly make a video of Will Smith eating spaghetti at ever increasing levels of fidelity. But I don't know how they spread democracy.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is right next to OpenAI, which is making many of the same claims. Same Altman wrote his own blog post a few weeks ago, saying within a few thousand days, we might have AGI and here's all this stuff we could do. They've obviously just raised a lot of money. There's a ferocious competition for talent in this industry. We keep calling it digital god because that's funny to say. But is the end state the same? Are they all racing to the same place?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it was about 14,000 words where Darios says, you know, I know that this is very fabulous and crazy to say, but I'm going to say it anyways because I think it's worth saying that we could shrink about 100 years of scientific breakthroughs in progress in five to ten years with AGI. He doesn't like to call it AGI. He thinks it's like sort of a crazy term, which is artificial general intelligence. He likes to call it powerful AI. It can cure PTSD. It can spread democracy. It can do all of these crazy things just if humans weren't so limited in terms of compute. And yeah, it's really selling. This is the future we can have if we work hard enough, if we achieve AGI, if we achieve it in a chill way.”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, into this steps entropic, anthropic CEO Dario Amade, Anthropic famously the first of the We're Leaving Open AI to start a safer AI company companies, there are now lots of them, but they were the first. He's trying to split the difference. He's got this long blog post called Machines of Loving Grace, and he is saying, like, we're trying to build the safest one. Look at all this cool stuff we could do if we can pull it off. What is going on there?”
2024-10-24 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · The AI arms race to build digital god · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT