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  1. Hi, this is Kara Swisher, host of Ricode Decode. This year at South by Southwest, Vox Media is taking over the Belmont in Austin, Texas and turning it into the deep end. The Vox Media Podcast Network will be doing some live tapings of Ricode Decode, Recode Media, and the Vergecast at the deep end between March 9th and March 11th. We'd love to see you there. If you want to attend, please request an invitation at VoxMedia.com slash SXSW-2018. Again, to find out more information and request an invitation at Voxmedia.com slash SXSW-2018.

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  2. Tina Brown, the afternoon. Then they were delicious. Danny Meyer. Cheryl Sandberg. Yes, I do. I do. I do know Cheryl Sambert.

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  3. Why not or say it's more like I don't like this, I don't want to do this, I don't want to do this, and I think our greatest, you know, will be from very difficult people. Oh, by the way.

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  4. Katie, I think being irritating is, I think, the most important muscle skill that anyone has to have. Being irritating? Irritating. Being irritable and irritating and not being looking at something and saying, why is this done this way? I think every great entrepreneur from Steve Jobs to down to today, lots of great entrepreneurs are every one of them is irritating and irritated. And so they see something and they don't let anything stop them from doing it. And I think it's really hard. I think agreeable people don't invent things. Yeah. And I just...

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  5. Oh, well, you know, having nothing to do with me, I just think I basically went there with questions that required critical thinking and accumulated knowledge. And I think I was very careful about asking them in a non-confrontational way.

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  6. They say, I think I For the right. And you should do interviews. I'm just telling you, not just because this is what I mean. What do you imagine your greatest interview was?

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  7. For people. And I think I have a pretty good sensibility about things. I think I've got a nose for news, as they say. I think I can sense when something is going to kind of be in the ethos. So I don't know exactly, but I just want to keep learning and discovering. And that sounds so cheesy and weird. But, you know, I just enjoy being engaged and I like to take people along for the ride.

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  8. That I have, the access to people that I can make them more I can make complicated subjects more understandable, or that I can introduce them to something that they're not aware of that will improve their lives or that will just make their day more interesting. I like being sort of that conduit.

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  9. I mean, storytelling, I do love talking to interesting people. I like understanding sort of where they came from, how they got there. I love learning all the time. I'm sort of insatiably curious. So I think I don't know exactly. I need some career advice from you, Kara, because I think you should interview. I also like being connected to an audience or to people. I like feeling that

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  10. What do you imagine if you could like design a career right now? Like you're doing these documentaries, you're doing all kinds of things. What would be the most interesting way? Still storytelling. I mean stories.

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  11. You didn't take the pills? No. No, I get it. No, I will take the cake. But I want to end on one thing. So where do you imagine you're going to do next? I mean, obviously you're talking about Instagram, which I think is really interesting. But what, and then I will tell you what I'm going to do next. But if you want to know, I do want to.

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  12. I'm actually taking a well known person to get screened in March. I'm not going to tell you who. Oh, no. I'm going to escort this individual. No, I am not going to actually perform the colonoscopy because I'm not qualified, but I'm going to be sort of the escort, which will be fun because, you know, it's such a preventable disease. And, you know, nothing feels better to me. I mean, if you talk about anything I've done in my life, when people come up to me, Karen, say, you know what, I got screened for colon cancer because of you, and that screening saved my life.

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  13. I think you can say nothing and stand for nothing, or you can say when you feel strongly about things, you know, I've been pretty open about saying we have to have a conversation about sensible gum laws. It is insanity. It is insanity. And no, it's not a panacea. No, it will never prevent gun violence, but it can reduce it. And it has to be a multi-pronged approach. I agree. Mental illness is a part of it, but it's, you know, easy access to firearms is really. A horrific thing, and I've been pretty vocal about that.

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  14. As far as I go, I feel safe by me, but I don't. But I think I do think you get an enormous amount of criticism that I can't imagine having. Like I was thinking there was a story about Lena Dunham in Manity Field. Lena.

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  15. I guess. You know, I still quite careful. I mean, I think that you are sort of, you know, carabar the door. I'm a little more careful about some of the things I put out there in the world because I don't know. You know, I want to get the I don't care gene from you somehow because I still. I had that desire to be liked, which is I have it less as I've gotten older, but I still have it.

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  16. All right, I'll read Waitem. Because I think it's not. I think social media has made it worse and that these companies have a responsibility. And we'll end on that because one of the things when you were talking about how do I get liked, disliked, what I think happens, and I think the reason you're successful is because we just, I hate to have something in common with Donald Trump, but you say it like it is for you. And I think people do appreciate that. Whether they disagree with you or don't agree with you, if you have a cogent point of view and you're genuine, these mediums you thrive in them. I guess you know I.

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  17. Billy, have any memory? And at the same time, realized that we have Always been like that. You know what I mean? And then social media, and what's happened is Trump is just given voice to all of it. Now we see it instantly. And that's what's discomforting about it. But we don't, this is not something, go read that book because then I sort of felt a little better. I was like, oh, wow, we've been doing this for centuries. We're on the cusp of anarchy at every single second. I'll read that and you read what?

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  18. Yeah, exactly. Who created a problem at the end? But it was really quite the same. Like it is even worse, like the kind of like, and our democracy hung by a thread so many times, the whiskey rebellion, the XYZ affair. We have no sense of history is what it is. And if you read that, you're like, oh my God, oh my, like you realize how, and the invective was so vicious through these different newspaper articles they wrote against each other. There was an act, a sedition act. If people don't remember it, like that you people went to jail for having a Republican point of view if they insulted the government. And that was law in the books for a very long time that if you insulted the government, you were jailed. So people who were not of the Adams group, the Federalists, were put in jail for years and their lives were changed. And so I think this has been an American problem for years is the lack of a

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  19. No, no. But I'm going to push back on in a very big way because I do think we're hearing each other. That's the problem. I'm just, yes, because I'm reading the actual book on Hamilton, not the musical, which I really much enjoy. Oh, the David. If you read Ron Chernov, if you read that book, the stuff that was going on between Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison, and Washington.

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  20. But some, you know, you can't really persuade somebody if you're not talking to them. There's a really good book that's written by the incoming president of the University of Virginia, Jim Ryan. It's called Wait What? And he gave a great graduation speech at the Harvard School of Education. And it's basically, we've lost our ability to Be even a tiny bit circumspect. You know, we have these instantaneous reactions. And sometimes just to take a moment and say, wait, what? And anyway, it's very interesting the way we hear things, the way we react to things, the way that we are in our own echo chambers, the way that we're preaching to the choir, especially on social media and Twitter, that I just wish once in a while we could all say wait what?

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  21. Really damaging the country. Yes, it's so politicized. But maybe I was just thinking the other day some other point of view came out and I was like, I'm so glad to hear this point of view. Like now I know. Like people are like, I can't believe people are like this. I think they've always been like this. They just have an outlet and especially social media amplifies and weaponizes a lot of it. And when I think about it, I'm like, well, okay, now I sincerely see it. It's out in broad daylight. I understand the ignorance or whatever I think of whatever the point of view is. Many of them I find ignorant.

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  22. Yeah, that's interesting. But I also think that there are some issues that, you know, respectable, intelligent, well-meaning people can disagree. And I do, you know, I wonder about our inability to have a respectful. About maybe certain things are non negotiable. I understand that, but certain things that you can have a different point of view and you can learn from somebody and they can say, you know, this is how I feel about this. And I feel like those conversations aren't happening. And it really bums me out. And I think it's really damaging the country.

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  23. Illegal in some places, it's still not that illegal. In many places. But I just think you have to think about what values you have. And if you have those values, not being cowed into saying you have to have everyone's point of view, this is our value. This is what we, you know, every internet company has a little statement of who they are. And I think they're scared about that. They're scared about stating them.

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  24. That's, I'm sorry, these people have so many opportunities to talk at Google. There's like 900 places to talk and all kinds of opportunities. But I think once you say something that's not in their value system, maybe it's not a place you need to work or maybe you should work somewhere else. Or, you know, I think that's been for, I mean, as a gay person, you couldn't be gay like you couldn't. And that, of course, that ended up being

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  25. I think some places are conservative and some places aren't. I can't operate in certain parts of the country either. Like in certain companies, it's just companies have their point of view. And I think the reason a lot of these companies pretend they don't is because when you have to say your values, you have to argue about them, right? Values are what you argue about. But when you have, I had this really interesting time at YouTube. I went there to talk to them. And they were talking about how it used to be all squirrel videos and nice things and now they have a college ethical debate every day, you know, whether it's Logan Paul or whatever. Right. And on some level, I'm like, well, that's what it's about having values. You have to state your values. And I don't think that I'm having an interest. I'm going to have a podcast, a guy who's doing all these polls on conservatives. They don't get to talk. It is a liberal environment. It is. It just is. These companies are more tolerant. Tech has been more tolerant. And these are their values. And so I don't know if you can't talk because I don't think.

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  26. All right. We only have a few minutes. Oh, come on. Just please. I just don't even know what to say. This is a person who is a victimizer that acts like a victim, typical. You know what I mean? Like this guy sued a company out of business. He's got billions of dollars. He's all kinds of things at his disposal. And if you want me to imagine that he and he gets to speak up, he gets to give speeches. He gets to, you know what I mean? And he's still a victim.

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  27. Been thinking the only reason I don't think it's Right. But then you have the backlash, and you talked about you interviewed James De Moore for that, right? Or others. You went to one of his party. You told me I'm going to his party. I went to a cookout

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  28. I think there's so much, you know, one of the hours I'm doing for Nachio, and again, I'm not, I've been thinking. The only reason I bring it up is because you're in this hour and you're fantastic. It's about gender inequality in Hollywood and Silicon Valley. And I talked to a woman at Harvard who studies implicit bias. And you and I talked about this, Kara. I don't think that consider themselves a meritocracy or the least meritocratic of anyone because they don't acknowledge their innate biases. And I think we are so programmed to see men and women in a certain way that it's actually, you know, reinforced by all the messaging we get in commercials and the objectification of women, hypersexualization of women. I had to think, you know, when this whole Me Too movement was exploding, the Victoria Secrets Fashion Show was on CBS. And I was like, no wonder women are confused. No wonder everybody is confused.

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  29. Yeah, would not anymore. What smoothie would you be? Like, oh my goodness, you'd be an interesting smoothie. But it's true, but I think that that's what's interesting is that if you don't fulfill their expectations of you. Well, I think there's something.

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  30. I know I think women, especially, I mean, think about it morning television, you have to be nice, and I think luckily I am, I think of myself as a nice person, but you have to fulfill these expectations and roles. And, you know, it's very hard to navigate as a woman this kind of, you know, being tough but not too tough, you know, being challenging, but not too challenging, not having an opinion, being palatable and pleasant in the morning. You know, you have to be like the breakfast smoothie. And so.

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  31. Or else you I think about you a lot. I remember when we were at Vanity Fair and you yelled, I was talking about your salary and I was thrilled that you got the big salary you did at Yahoo. Someone was sort of saying, oh, that's a lot of money. I'm like, who cares? You got the money? And you yelled from the audience, that's right, Swisher. But in this sort of growl, and it was fantastic, and everyone was like, is that Katie Garic? And I was like, yes, that is Katie Karick. I know.

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  32. Well, that's the thing people don't. People didn't like it. People don't like, they don't want to acknowledge people are multidimensional. They want to put them in a box and say they're X, Y, and Z. And, you know, I think that nuance has been lost in our current discourse and hasn't really existed for a very long time. And it's just very easy to stereotype people. Yeah.

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  33. But I was like, how about that being struck, you know, taken? I was called perky. I am very active. When you shifted, I think you did shift though. You were a much more complex person than people don't. People didn't like it.

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  34. It's true. And how about I was thrilled? How about that being taken out of our vocabulary? Do you ever, hey, and how about perky? You know, like I was called perky and I am very outgoing and I'm friendly and I'm very like I'm very upbeat. But are men ever called perky? No, I feel like it's a demeaning, marginalizing description of somebody.

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  35. Why can't we But what if it be you that does it? Why does it have to be someone, a woman? I was just, I did the same thing when I interviewed Hillary Clinton last year at Code. One of the anchors I was telling you is like, she was strident. And I'm like, word did you just use? And this was on the air. And they're like, I said, strident is a word you only use for hysterical women. It's true.

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  36. Oh, definitely. Well, you know, I think that's why it's so important to have women in leadership positions. When I anchored these CBS evening news, like I would call writers out and say, why are you describing Hillary Clinton that way? Would you describe a male candidate that way? Right. Why can't we do a story on X, Y, and Z, things that my male counterparts would never in a million years imagine? But what's the...

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  37. Exactly. I was like, she changed magazines and two, not one, but two. And she had some like rocky or times daily beasts and talk and stuff like that. But her accomplishments were massive when you start to realize it, the impact on magazines. Oh, definitely. And the kind of image she has is so like everyone, any man who did that, I just was, it made me furious when I was reading. I was thinking, this person still has sort of a reputation among some, which is like, oh, what a tough bitch she is, that kind of thing. And I'm like, whoa, wait, wait a minute. She did a lot. And why is she, why is that her image?

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  38. Brilliant, but I was just thinking people have a vision of her that's really not very nice, like tough, you know, ball busting lady editor kind of.

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  39. Some of it called microaggression. One of the things that happened. Have experienced that. Yeah, it's really interesting when I just finished the Tina Brown book about her tenure at Benny Fair, which I thought was fantastic. Yeah, I haven't. And one of the things I'm going to do is got to rate it. It's hysterical and beautifully written and very funny and very raw.

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  40. And some of it is so subtle, Kara. They're called microaggressions. One of the things that hasn't gotten a lot of attention is sort of very subtle sexism that's marginalizing and dismissive and undervalues people's accomplishments and intelligence and ability to contribute. And it's this very subtle thing that you can't go to necessarily HR about it, but you feel it intensely. And I have experienced that.

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  41. Yeah, it's hard because I think what happens is one of the things I've noticed, at least in Silicon Valley, and talking to people is that people let things go. I think about how again, inert to it, like this stuff all the time and then you live in the environment.

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  42. Yeah, well, you know, I don't really feel that way. I think that some people have said, well, how did you not know what was going on? I think there was also this feeling of privacy, you know, and people do things and you're not monitoring behavior and people's spare time. You don't know about it. And so I think that, you know, I feel I have a totally clear and clean conscience about The way I comported myself and, you know, any responsibility that I bear for people's bad behavior.

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  43. I mean, I have to say personally, I did not deal with a lot of that. I don't know whether, you know, I'm just imminently inharassable. But, you know, I'm irrascible, not harassable. But, you know, I was very lucky. Every now and then, you know, someone would make a comment or it would be a little fratty, but I would just, I think I'm kind of like you. I would roll my eyes or give it right back. And so I think culturally, it's just been such a shift in what is acceptable and what is unacceptable. But having said that, you know, I've been the beneficiary of having a pretty powerful job. And I would try to set the right tone in a work environment. Having said that, I think I'm sure it was, you know, jocularity bordered on too much kind of You know, boys' humor, but

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  44. How did you take? I mean, obviously media has been the How do you look at when you see that happening? Did you just become inert to it? Like, oh, this is the way it is.

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  45. Sort of cosmic than Twitter. I feel it's more community based. And I think that that's a really interesting outlet to experiment in and try different things. You know, I'd like to do something that really, you know, at this point in my career shines a light on other young up-and-coming, especially female journalists, diverse journalists, people who represent all different points of view, because the one thing we've seen Kara so clearly is, you know, certainly in broadcast that it is still a male bastion. It's still all the decision makers are primarily white men. And we have to start changing that. And how do you change it? Well, you give women an opportunity and experience and a chance to shine.

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  46. I mean, I think that I'd like to try something more entrepreneurial. Because I think there's never been a better time. I mean, if you talk about disintermediation, I mean, I do a lot on Instagram because I feel a real connection with people who follow me on Instagram. It feels a little less kind of.

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  47. Yeah, what do you, I mean, because look, broadcast is sort of shifting so dramatically. And, you know, you tried the Yahoo thing, although it doesn't mean that that didn't work, but whatever you looked at or where would you go?

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  48. How did I know that? But it's disconnected from the brand. I know, what would you do right now if you were young? I mean, you already know. Let me just say, everybody, Katie Kirk is the hardest woman working woman, and we were having dinner, and literally she was getting on a, you were getting on a knife. Like, where were you going? You were going to like Alabama or somewhere. We're like, Katie Kerrick can rest. I know.

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  49. Like, where did I read that? What was that? How did I know that? It's disconnected from the brand. It feels very confusing. But you're right. I think the landscape is continually changing and iterating, as they say. And, you know, it will be interesting to see. But the most important thing is how are we going to keep people informed and engaged in the world around them? I do think from what I said earlier that a lot of young people, Gen Z, whatever you call it, millennials, really are engaged, but they have to continue to think about how we'll continue to keep people engaged, you know? Because it's so important to a democracy.

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  50. Not about me, I don't think They are. You know, I think right now they are not super jazzed about moving into a more news space. But maybe ultimately they will be. But right now, I think they're really focused on scripted content and super kind of impactful, buzzy stuff. And I think in a news landscape where there is so much content everywhere, I don't know about you, Kara, but I can, I mean, I read so many articles.

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