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Katie Haun

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“A few years ago. Yeah. Well, actually, that's how I learned about smart contracts. And I remember Nick talking about a vending machine. And I just thought, now I can visualize a vending machine. Okay, that makes sense to me. So Naval, that episode is a must listen. Thanks for listening.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a great place to start. Actually, can I tell you that episode was the first episode I ever listened to? And it was a while ago. That's an old episode, if I remember correctly.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know a number of your listeners are probably already on it, but our website has the cryptocan. And then I've just seen a number of great medium posts, honestly. By the way, our canon, our crypto cannon pulls not just us. I mean, we pull some of the people we've already talked about on here, their writings on. So it's not just Andresen Horowitz. And it's not even just necessarily our portfolio companies. We kind of search for the content and put it on our website ourselves as well.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are a number of sessions online every day happening on crypto, and it's a great way to just listen in while you're doing something like, I don't know, doing the laundry or you're drawing your hair, you're doing something else that you don't need to be fully present in that experience, hop on and put your AirPods in and like listen because there's, I keep seeing all these sessions on, are we going to call him Tim Nifties on NFTs on DeFi? By the way, we didn't even talk about DeFi, but on DeFi, it's like daily. There's daily sessions on all of these things. And you can just listen in and hear what people are talking about. And it's kind of a great way to separate like wheat from the Jaff. I know it's, I think Clubhouse is still invite only, but I think that will soon change.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, we have up on our website, which is, I believe it's a16z.com, we have what we call a criminon. And even that, just what I'm saying, proofs in the pudding, is out of date already because we posted it, I don't know when, and now, you know, there's all this stuff that's changed in the space. So we need to go update it. But we do have this crypto cannon up that you can learn more on our web.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't let yourself intimidate is not the right word, but don't let yourself just think, oh, it's too complex. I don't want to go dive deep in it. You don't need to dive deep in it. Just go learn something about it that you didn't know. And I just ask that if your listeners”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just not going to do it. And I told her, Look, there is no PhD to be had in crypto. And if there were, it would be outdated the year after it was granted because the space changes so fast. So just like don't get”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess the only thing I would ask your audience is just take a moment to explore crypto. It's not really a plug for an industry I'm involved with. That's not why I'm saying it. It's just mostly because there's so much written about the headlines. And I'd love to encourage your listeners to just explore a little bit more and realize it's really not all just about one asset or speculation. There's a lot of exciting things happening in this space. And the ask I would have of them is also if they're not, and I know there are a lot of techies and people very sophisticated in technology and technical among your listeners, Tim. But if they're not, not to get intimidated by it or think they can't figure it out, I had recently a female CEO who has in times 100 most influential people. I won't say her name, but I will say very successful across multiple dimensions personally, professionally. And she told me, I need a PhD to figure this stuff out, and I just can't.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So that's a good read. And actually, I have gifted that. I have gifted that book. It's a quick beach read. Or if you're not a beach guy, it's a quick read, whatever you might do with your leisure time.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, they gave Li detector tests, and that came out during that trial I did how did you pass the lie detector test? And the jurors were on their edge of their seats to figure out how on earth the agent that we had embedded passed this lie detector tests because they do administer them.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's a best selling New York Times book. It's actually. Remember I told you about the Hells Angels Mongols case I did? Well, the agent went deep cover for three years and there's a lot of quandaries they confront when they're deep cover, right? Living among these criminal enterprises, they have to fit in. So like what happens when they're asked to violate the law and they can't because they're federal agents, you know, and how do they pass that lie detector test? And it's the story of one agent's journey of living undercover, deep cover, a double life really, and rising up to the top of that gang. And that's a true story. So it's interesting.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's fiction by Naguib Mafoz, who I think was the first Arab Nobel laureate. He's certainly a Nobel laureate. So those are some, obviously there are a lot of related to my old kinds of work, which I love, even though I shouldn't, but it was like the killing of Pablo Escobar, or the hunting of Pablo Escobar. I think it's called. That's by Mark Bowden, Blackhawk down. Yeah, Under and Alone is a good read, by the way, Tim, if you want some more true crime.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I never knew that, but the reason I loved it so much is I read that book and I can't believe it was written by a man because you are convinced as you're reading it. It's written by the geisha. Why I just have such a great memory of reading that book is I read it while I was studying overseas in a language school and I was studying by myself and so I'd go to dinner every night alone. And, you know, you feel awkward at the restaurant by yourself or, you know, you could. And so I would always have a book with me. And I remember reading that memoirs of a geisha book while I was learning the language. So that stands out. But the other one that I really love is Palace Walk, which is, I don't know if you're familiar with that, but it's written by a Nobel laureate Naguib Mafuz. And it's set in the turn of the century, or maybe it's 1920s, Cairo, Egypt. And it just reminds me of Cairo, which is a place I kind of grew up as a kid. And so a lot of powerful memories of the city. Obviously, it was set in a different way.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, and this is kind of what I'm getting at is like, was it the book that was so good or was it like the surroundings where you were when you read it? Or was it, you know, the stage in your life? It was like, oh my God, I'm feeling the most fit I've ever felt. And I feel great. So it's viewed through the lens of that. But I would say with all those caveats, and I haven't read it many times, but a couple that come to mind, one is memoirs of a geisha. I just, I loved that book. I don't know if you've read it. I always found it.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not that I've reread many times. I guess it's hard to answer the question because I kind of think of it as through the filters of life experience, like where were you in your life with the time you read that book, right? Like, where were you at that moment? Have you seen that TED talk, by the way, the Remembering Self versus the experiencing self? It's really good.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Podcast him, but like explaining things clearly in a way people can understand. And what I mean by that is, you know, when I had to go in front of juries, we had to talk about all kinds of complicated concepts. But you need to break them down in a way that 12 different people on that jury can all get, no matter their background, no matter their education, no matter their training, no matter what field they're in. And I think the same is true with kids. You know, what are they going? Can you explain things in a way that teaches them anything, in a way that excites them? I think if the answer there is yes, then the rest comes a little. I won't say it's natural, but it's much easier for them to be interested in the conversation if you can make it on a level they understand.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I think one thing is just I'm used to being around people, and that's also true, by the way, from prosecuting and being around witnesses and confidential human sources and informants and then switching to venture and being around tech folks and crypto people too, they're their own class. So I'm just used to being around a really wide variety of very different people and wanting to find a way that connects with those people because I want to have relationships with fundamentally each one of those kind of communities I just described or constituents that I just described. And of course, children are part of that, right? And you've got to find some common ground and things that interest them. And it's not about creating a persona or being phony. It's about being completely authentic, but in a way they can relate to, you know, and it's also about, I think my ability to explain stuff, maybe your listeners will disagree. Maybe I haven't explained anything clearly on this.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, one thing I learned, and I think this is not really from being a prosecutor, I think this just dates back to how I grew up, which I don't know if you know this, but I grew up moving kind of every couple years at most, like the longest I stayed anywhere, I think, was three years. And from places ranging from, you know, Utah to Texas to then like Cairo, Egypt, and overseas and Europe and the Middle East and Africa. And what that meant was like, I was always the new kid in school. And you had to make kind of fast friends if you wanted to have any. And you had to really adapt to your surroundings and find some kind of common ground that you could connect with people about, right? I mean, the people that you're meeting in, you know, Utah are very different than the people you're meeting in Zamalik or downtown Cairo, as you might imagine, particularly when you're a young person, like the young friends you're making. They have different interests.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That I've been passionate about my work, and it's, you know. But as you know from this podcast and your listeners know, you have to find balance in life and it can't be all work and no play. But better when it's work that you actually really enjoy and that feels fun.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wow. And I don't know if it was just the kind of story. And it's not just the stories, it's just like, I think he or other kids, I hope.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the past, that you said you don't have yet children. But the amazing thing about being a parent is that every once in a while they just say stuff that completely bulls you over. And someone asked my son, who's in elementary school, someone asked my son a couple years ago, you know, what do you want to be when you grow up? And Tim, he said, well, it's kind of crazy because what I want to be is a girl's job. And they said, well, what's that? And he said, either an FBI agent or a prosecutor.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People and with even younger kids is that really making them feel like they could do anything and that really what they need to do is find what they're passionate about. And that is exciting and that makes you really want to work hard. But also I've always thought, as I said, you really want to live along the way and find, and that's why I think it's so important to find your kind of sounds cliche, but you're calling in life for work. And I think when I talk about kind of stories or jobs, I just must have, you know, I did it out of a passion or a mission or, you know, some purpose. And I would hope that comes through. It's funny you say that it was a girl because the amazing thing about being a parent, and I noticed from listening to your podcast, you know.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm not a child whisperer to my own kids, but let me know, I think one of the reasons is, you know, I grew up with a mom who always told me, you can do, of course you can do anything you set your mind to. Of course you can. And, you know, I don't know that that was true, but the fact is I believed her and I thought, well, she says it is. It's my mom. And she, you know, as a young girl or a young woman, of course, she believe what your mom tells you, at least to a certain age. And I think it was almost a self-fulfilling prophecy that someone was believing in you like that, that, yeah, you could do anything you set your mind to. It might take small little chunks, which we can talk about. Like I set goals, but then I, you know, if they're audacious, I'm not going to achieve them just easily, right? You break them down into small bite-sized chunks. But I think with kids, and I've seen this just even in teaching, you know, I've taught over the years and I've several students, I've seen this with young.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's been certainly, you know, I really, one of the things I've always done is follow my passion, follow my gut, and then do stuff that interests me. And by that measure 100% it was the right decision. And, you know, it's also given me a great flexibility now. And then by the way, that's how I met Mark and Ben. You mentioned they've been on your podcast. I actually met Mark and Ben, the founders of my firm now where I'm now working full-time through my work on the Coinbase board. So, you know, it was one decision, but then it led to other decisions. So who knows how that's changed my career trajectory. That's it.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a great question. I think in life, someone told me this once, and I can't remember who, but it has always stuck with me. And they told me this a long time ago. In life, there is either hell yes or there's no. And if it's not hell yes, it's no. Is that a cliche thing? I had never heard that. No, that's”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Saying goodbye, I think, to a career in the government. And I did make that decision. I did make it actually pretty quickly by the time I made it, which I do is something I do. I can obsess and waste a lot of mental energy on small little decisions, Tim, that aren't that consequential, which is a big weakness of mine. But on big, huge life decisions, I'm pretty quick. And I made it in, you know, there it is, four years, over four years later. I'm still on that board.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is that how it works? That's right Absolutely, absolutely. And I had already actually by that point I had left the government just to clarify, had already left the government when I was having this conversation with Brian, but I was thinking of going back in as a high-level appointee. And in fact, I was already going through an FBI background check and, you know, interviewing with all kinds of senatorial committees. And so I was already out of the government, but I could not go back into the government as a political appointee or otherwise or a judge and also be on the Coinbase board, of course. Like you said, strict separation of church and state, which is definitely we want to keep it that way. So when I took that Coinbase board, I was really.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Back to the story of Brian. He said, I really think that you ought to consider partnering with us somehow. And I said, well, you know, I work in the government. So I can't partner with you. What he meant is, do you want to come and work here? And I thought, you know, that was a really interesting idea. I had never thought about working full-time for a crypto company, believe it or not. Instead, I said, you know, I really want to work with a few different companies. You know, I've never been in tech. And I would like to work with a few different companies. And Brian, and I'm forever grateful, he had this kind of innovative thinking, said, well, then why don't you join our board of directors? Which is, again, something I had never thought of. And I did jump at that chance. Now, I was a little bit interesting timing because I was actually under consideration for some high-level government posts at the time, which I won't go into, other than to say that I had to withdraw from.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Was like, I think I joined in what we call the crypto winter. And people thought I was just really crazy that I was giving all this law stuff up.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Anyhow, I said, Brian, I already know about Coinbase. In fact, you know, I told you about some of the bridge building we were doing and some of the summits we were putting together, Coinbase and not Brian himself, but like someone from Coinbase, just like many early crypto players, would come to those, you know, numerous crypto representatives call them from the industry would come and meet with some of the government folks. I won't say who because I don't know if I have their permission, but the bottom line is like a lot of different folks in the crypto industry. It wasn't just Coinbase. So I kind of knew the company already through that work while I was at the government, but I definitely never thought I would be working in the crypto industry or in venture capital, by the way. I guess I thought I would probably have gone to be a judge or a partner in a firm. I didn't honestly know what I would do, but something in law, right? And remember when I joined the crypto industry, it wasn't the cooler fashionable thing to do.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, it was Well, in that case, I know totally relax. Yeah. No. Well, this was fortunately for Brian. It had happened years or before, right? So”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a friendly visit. It was an informational gathering visit. Coinbase hadn't done anything wrong. It was just, you know, part of that. Little I talked about you're laughing, but it's genuine. It was part of that.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and Brian. And I remember telling Brian, you know, he was telling me about Coinbase. And I said, Oh, I know about Coinbase, Brian. You know, I've been to your office. And he said, this was, by the way, when I was still in the government, he said, what? And I said, oh, yeah, I've been with FBI to your office before. You didn't know that? And he's like, no, I didn't know that. It was a friendly visit.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not at all. Actually, I remember when I first met Brian Armstrong, who's the founder of Coinbase, and I won't talk much about Coinbase because that company is now in a quiet period, as you know. So I won't talk about the company, but I can certainly talk about the circumstances of my affiliating with the company. And I remember meeting Brian, and by the way, Fredersham, who I don't know if you've met him. Yeah.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I didn't really look back after I joined. I just jumped in and did it. But I do feel like a lot of people have told me in my life, you know, this is your one shot. Like you can't do that because this is better for your career. And I've definitely been someone who cares, although it might not sound like it from our conversation, because we've talked mostly professional stuff. I care very much about living along the way. And I grew up overseas. One of my great passions of spending time in other cultures and with other people and with my family and friends. And I don't really want to sacrifice that just for work.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was being a prosecutor in the Justice Department, Clerk and Supreme Court. I had firmly kind of established my legal career and I completely left that and pivoted. And, you know, when I was doing that, I was actually to join the board of Coinbase. And when I did that, I remember people around me, particularly those of my friends who were lawyers or from DC, were like, what are you doing? Like, you could go be a partner in this or that firm and you're going to join the board of a crypto company. I mean,”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of course, obviously, you know, I had walked away from different opportunities in law along the way, but I was still always within the realm of law, right? I was, oh, should I go be at this law from Cravat where I have an offer? No, I'm going to pursue my passion and go to DC and be a prosecutor and, you know. And I also had been doing a clerkship on the Ninth Circuit when I was told if you want to stay another year, maybe it would increase your chances to go to the Supreme Court, which for a lawyer and a young postgraduate law student was like a big deal. And I said, you know, it's not, no, it's not worth it to me. Like I want to do other things in life. I don't want to do that for another year. You know, people thought that was a mistake. And maybe I did at the time too. By the way, I ended up clerking on the Supreme Court anyway, but I didn't know it at the time. And then I think the most profound one, though, was I really kind of left entirely a career where I had, you know, in the law done things that I had really invested a lot of myself and time into, whether”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Really, not a great feeling, right? My own wedding's been called off. And again, it was mutual. But I actually took the opportunity to move back to California. This was when I was in DC. I moved back to California. And, you know, right after I moved here, I actually met my future husband like super serendipitously. And we this month have our 10-year wedding anniversary. And so, you know, that was something that felt like, wow, and even in the move here, I was like, wow, maybe this was the wrong call. You know, maybe I'm going to just like end up alone forever, which would have been okay too. But you do question it. That's a personal one.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think he was excited to be engaged to me. And I don't think I was very excited to be engaged to him. Unfortunately, we mutually made the decision that we were not going to get married. It was pretty early on in the engagement, but we had been living together and it felt like the right thing to do on paper. You know, everyone around you was saying, oh, how perfect. But I think both of us in our heart of hearts knew that would be a bad mistake. And so telling our families and friends that, there's a sense of like almost shame. You know, it was embarrassing. But we both realized it wasn't right for either of us. And so that felt a bit like a failure at the time. Not a bit. It felt like a big failure at the time. And oh, by the way, talk about humanizing me. I had to be a bridesmaid in my one of my best college friends weddings about a month and a half after that happened. And I just remember being there and just it was like kind of.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, there was a time, and this is actually a personal thing. I have other professional ones, which we can talk about if you want, but well, I actually have one top of mind professional one. Okay, personal one. You know, I was engaged many, many years ago. I was engaged to someone. And, you know,”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Many times, many times. I don't only have one example of that. I sadly or happily have several. Let me think what comes top of mind. I mean, I'll tell you one from personal, because you said.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Portion of our fund in Bitcoin. So we are Bitcoin fans. But I would just be completely speculating if I said I would know it would happen to the volatility. I think the best thing I could say would be that I think we are in waves and we will continue to say sea waves of, you know, we see some early adopters of institutions now, some early adopters of companies. And I think in the next wave, we'll see more. And then there will be another wave.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Examples of companies putting small portions of treasury into it. And I think we'll see another wave, I suspect, where more and more companies do that down the road. I don't know when that would be. We could even see at some point a wave where certain governments might put a small fraction. I'm not talking about a lot. I'm talking about a very small fraction. You pointed out just like they do with gold. And so I think yes, that would obviously one would think offset volatility, but who knows? As you know, Bitcoin has been hugely volatile asset. Which is why we have stable coins. And I'm not knocking Bitcoin at all. I'm obviously a fan of Bitcoin. And we've disclosed before, we have a sizable.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And all that. Oh, right, right, right. Of course. Well, I think look, here's what I think about Bitcoin. I think it's still early days, although it was 2008. It's been run since 2008. It is still early days. And I think we're going to see adoption in waves. And again, this is not a price prediction, no investment advice, et cetera, et cetera. I know we'll have all those disclosures. But I do think that we'll see waves of it and we're still in the early days. But you are starting to see, I mean, you saw I'm sure Elon Musk's tweet about, or I guess it wasn't his tweet, but it was the S1, the Tesla file that says they're putting some of their treasury Into Bitcoin. And it's not just that, right? Micro strategy. And there are a couple other companies, I know, that are looking at that. And I think those are kind of early.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, my first thought when you said 20% shift, I thought that's child's play, Tim. 20% volatility is nothing. Yeah.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I do wonder if what will win and what is going to have a good go to market first? And I think fundamentally, what's going to start getting used first in early adopted? And obviously already Bitcoin is the grandfather at being, you know, developed in 2008, but who will get enough market share earliest? Because it just, there's real network effects, right? And so if the US government develops a digital crypto dollar in whatever i'm making up a year here, 2028, has it already been overtaken? That's some of what I think about.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't want to talk too much because, like you said, crypto is like religion at some point. You have maximalists. And I'm a crypto maximalist. I'm not a particular asset maximalist”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One thing I spend time thinking about is would there ever be some kind of private public partnership? You know, if they said, okay, wow, China's really developed this or, you know, maybe the European Central Bank or whatever, name your central bank of choice, we've really got to get with this. And we have some really smart people in the private sector and private companies. And these problems of distributed computing are hard problems to solve. I mean, I'm on the board, as you might know, of Diem. I know Facebook and many other council members have devoted legions of top engineers to kind of building that blockchain. It's not easy. And so do we think we have that already resident at, you know, the Fed or something? I really think that one idea is to have a private public partnership. But then as you point out, there are other decentralized systems that are working already, like Bitcoin. I mean, Bitcoin is volatile, but now you also have stable coins and you have wrapped Bitcoin.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Some of the properties of cryptocurrency and create a US dollar that is a cryptocurrency. And I think if you hear Jerome Powell or others talk about it, I think they say they're several years away. And I just wonder if that is too late. I think it is, frankly. And one thing I spend a lot of time thinking about is you could imagine a private cryptocurrency that's pecked at the dollar. You could also imagine a public cryptocurrency pecked at the dollar. One of the things that the US did well, I think, in the days of the internet, and the internet, the US government had a head start because they helped develop it. They're much more behind on crypto, I think.”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. Well, you probably have, though. Like, I mean, at some level, certain companies become so omnipresent, like for me, it's Amazon, for example, and they give you kind of credit and it's not Amazon dollars, but it's, you know, you never get the credit back on your credit card and you think, who cares? It's on the Amazon platform. I'm going to use that currency again. I mean, is that a currency? I think that's interesting. I think just going back to your question is, you know, one thing I spend a lot of time thinking about is will the US government kind of embrace”
2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT