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  1. “And Will said, you know, that's just BS. I mean, we go around expecting mom and pop stores all the time to comply with search warrants or people, right? Ordinary citizens. Like, why should Google get a pass? And I said, you're right. That's BS. Like, let's write a motion to the judge to have them held in contempt. We'll give them a fair chance to comply first. But if they don't, like let's go to the court. They should comply with the same rule everyone else has to. And we gave them several chances and we said we're going to go to court. And they basically ignored us. And we are Google. We will crush you. We went to court. We got them held in contempt of federal court if they didn't produce these records. What ended up happening, and this was all under seal at the time, was, I won't name names, but someone at Google, high up, called the political appointee who was running our office at the time and basically suggested that we should get this undone. And, you know, we were in the jurisdiction of Google. You know, we're in the northern district of California. And Will and I were both like, no.”

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  2. “Yeah, it was a really sad circumstance of a guy who was shot over $250 while he was working a second job at night. And actually, we had some amazing evidence that we knew was in the defendant's Google mailbox. It was like Google Voice Records and stuff. And so we got a search warrant, which is different than a subpoena. We had to go to the court. We had to go to a judge, prove probable cause, and get a search warrant. And Google just simply put it in the line and basically told us to get in line. And we'll get to it when we get to it. And we said, you know, this is a court order. This is now unsealed, so I can say this publicly at the time. It was sealed. We said, this is a court order. It's the murder case. You know, we need these records. And they basically told us, we're Google. Well, we'll get to it when we can get to it.”

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  3. “Yeah, well, so there was a murder case we were doing, a different one than the one I just mentioned. It was a gas station, Rob Ray Gon.”

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  4. “And Will had this prosecutorial swagger that was unique to him. He took down MS 13. I mean, that's what I think there was a newspaper article that described Will's prosecutorial swagger. But in my case, one of the things he did that made him an amazing leader was he first of all threw me into the deep end. But he also had my back when I needed it. And he recognized when I was ready to lead, you know, in fact, I did a biker murder case involving the Mongols and the Hells Angels. And it went to trial. That was the one of the ones that I thought for sure would plead guilty and instead went to trial and it lasted two plus months. And, you know, Will became my second chair. He became my deputy, even though he was my boss and, you know, it was a high-profile murder case. He sat second chair during that case. But I think he also had my back. And when I tell you, he doesn't really care about his next job. Can I share a story involving Google?”

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  5. “Well, I think the key thing is he did not care. I mean, I'm not suggesting prosecutors, most career prosecutors are not thinking of their next job. So just to be clear on that, but really with him and his name is Will Frenchen, you know, I've worked with a lot of amazing mentors, Tim, in my career, Justice Kennedy, the Attorney General, tech CEOs, and folks in VC. But this guy is not a household name. His name is Will Frenchen. And I think one of the things that comes to mind when I think of Will is He just didn't care about anything other than just in that moment doing the right thing and doing justice. And he didn't care about what his next job was going to be. He didn't care about the consequences. He didn't really even care. I'm not endorsing this necessarily, but I remember some judges remember being court once for a judge said, you know, Mr. Frenson, why do you shake your head at me like that like I'm stupid? You know, no judge would ever usually say that to a prosecutor.”

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  6. “Some key witnesses. So that could contribute to it, but I would be remiss if I didn't say that I had just an amazing mentor. He was actually my boss at the Justice Department. And he was an incredible prosecutor and just watching him, that also, I think accounted for a lot of it. So I can't, and also I had incredible case agents and FBI agents and everything. So I can't really take credit for all the, you know, verdict records. There's a lot that goes into it.”

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  7. “Or guilty plea. So reverse proffer was one thing. I think another thing that comes to mind is just being able to develop a rapport, not just with the defendants or a defense counsel, but with the witnesses. You know, witnesses are some of the most important evidence that you can have in an investigation. And in a number of cases, I was doing particularly gang cases, why is some witness or some member of the gang, like, why are they going to trust you, a government prosecutor? What can you do to build that trust and to really talk to them in a way that is relatable? And I think that was something that I spent a lot of time trying to develop is putting myself, and I can never put myself in the shoes of some of the folks that I encountered, but trying as best I could to think, what's motivating them? What might they be scared of? What's holding them back from wanting to cooperate with us? And through doing some of those things, I think we were successful in being able to flip.”

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  8. “Come, you know, shackled if they were out of custody, they'd just show up in a, you know, street clothes with their lawyer. And I would sit them down in the conference room at my office and I would give them a little snapshot of here is a kind of flavor or sampling of the evidence I have against you that a jury is going to hear. And here's how I'm going to present it. And I want you to be aware like with this evidence staring you down the face, do you want to go to trial or not? And I think a lot of times seeing what would be presented and seeing, oh, we do have, they do have all of these witnesses who will say X, Y, and Z, caused the defendants in some cases to say, no, I want to change the circumstances here. I want to like stop the bleeding, so to speak. Because obviously if you go to trial, the sentences tend to be longer, the judge pronounces always the judge pronounces the sentences. But when you're in a trial setting, you often get a lot longer than if you take an early”

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  9. “And I have to convince a jury. And how am I going to convince that jury that this is the right case to bring, that it's righteous, and that the law was violated? And that what I'm asking for is frankly a no-brainer. One of the things I did was I developed something called, well, I didn't develop the concept of a reverse proffer, but I'll tell you about what I did. That is sometimes you just felt like maybe there's something lost in translation, like maybe this defendant doesn't understand the evidence I have against them. Who knows? Like, maybe their lawyer is telling them, maybe they're not telling them, maybe they're telling them, but the defendant doesn't. really trust their lawyer and so i did something called a reverse proffer which is i said with the you know permission of the defense counsel and defendant i said hey would you let that defendant come into my office marshals and if they did marshals can you bring the defendant to the office if the defendant was in custody they”

    2021-02-18 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  10. “Mentor at the Justice Department. So put a pin in that and we'll come back to him in a minute. But one of the things I did differently is just I think it's really important to obviously you want to make sure that you're charging the right case and you know you have all your evidence because even though 95% of federal cases plead guilty, at least in those days they did some go to trial. And Timmy, you never know which ones are going to go to trial or which ones are going to plead guilty. The ones you think, oh, they'll take a plea. They surprise you. The ones you think will go to trial surprise you and take the first plea. Like you just never know. And so one thing I always did is I thought to myself, I have to prepare this case as if it's going to go to trial.”

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  11. “Let me take a step at both, and I will put a pin, Enrico. We'll come back to that. I mean, one of the jobs I had as a federal prosecutor is going to before a grand jury, right? That's a secret jury presenting evidence and seeking an indictment. Another kind of job of a prosecutor is meeting with the witnesses in a case and trying to maybe get them to flip, bringing, you know, evidence to bear, developing evidence. It's also working with agents and it's to get agents motivated in some cases to go, you know, work nights and weekends to go chase the lead, for example. The other thing that you do as a prosecutor is you go to court, just like you see on TV, you know, law and order, like the prosecutor stands up and makes arguments to the judge if it's a judicial argument or if it's a trial makes an argument to the jury. So that's a little bit about the job of a prosecutor. I think one of the things as I think about it that I did differently was, well, first of all, I just had an amazing”

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  12. “What are the worst of the worst? Where are you going to get the most bang for the buck here? What is your theory of punishment? Is it deterrence? Is it punishment? Like, why are we doing this? And so you really need to look for kind of the most important cases. And by important, I don't mean high profile. I mean important for justice to be served.”

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  13. “A federal prosecutor is, so a lot of people have heard of district attorneys or DAs, right? That is a local prosecutor, a federal prosecutor is another name for it as assistant U.S. attorney. And a federal prosecutor takes those kind of crimes that cross state lines or that are of a certain kind of subject matter that the federal government has deemed are also federal crimes. Now, a lot of things could be both. You could have certain crimes that could be prosecuted at the state level, or they could be prosecuted at the federal level, and then you have other crimes that could only be done by one or the other. So my job as a federal prosecutor was to kind of investigate and bring to justice where crimes had occurred. Now, another important part of the job of being a prosecutor is knowing when not to bring a case, where even though the fact support a charge, because what I always say is the government wasn't hurting for business, unfortunately. There are a lot more criminals than there are resources to prosecute. And so one of the things as a prosecutor that you really want to do is look for”

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  14. “And so then we launched kind of a separate investigation, Tim, into who stole a billion dollars worth of Bitcoin, a billion now.”

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  15. “Emails that this individual had sent to crypto exchanges saying, please delete these records. And I thought, now if this is undercover and you're in the government, you don't want to delete evidence. You want to preserve evidence. So that's how I knew something was amiss. But we only got a tip about one agent. And of course, that one agent, once we kind of solved, who done it and we knew he was extorting Ross Olbrocht and the Silk Road and we knew he was selling information to the government's case, we thought, oh, that's probably who stole the 25,000 Bitcoin as well. So we were just thinking, that's who did it. It wasn't the Silk Road administrator. But in fact, I remember on Christmas Eve getting a call from one of those agents and he said, Katie, I don't think it's him. The patterns, the movement of money, the kind of services that they were using to obfuscate, they're not the same person. The MO is different. And we've got someone else who stole that Bitcoin.”

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  16. “Not a crowd pleaser. No, so I got a couple agents who knew a thing or two about the blockchain, and we hopped on Wallet Explorer and started looking at some flow of funds and saw, wow, this is a lot of cryptocurrency moving around. And then what flipped in my mind, Tim, was the moment where I saw”

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  17. “It's bad, and you know, I thought okay, this poor agent, I've got to go clear this person's name because here's this, you know, lawyer, former journalist spreading rumors. And I thought probably if he's moving Bitcoin, it's probably, you know, a poorly backstopped undercover operation. So I actually, that was the tip I got. And I actually was really started to look into it more to clear the name and just, you know, than I thought, oh, that his information was correct.”

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  18. “I'll tell you what is public record and if listeners want, you can go read. There's a 97, I think, or 90-page criminal complaint that lays out all of the facts of this story online. You can just go Google it, Silk Road agents. It's out of San Francisco. But what happened was I was sitting in my office in San Francisco on another crypto investigation. And one of the lawyers who used to be an investigative journalist pulls me aside and said, can I talk to you about something else? And I said, what? And he said, you know, You've got, I think you've got a mole or someone up to no good, you know, on your payroll. They're moving cryptocurrency. And I thought, oh, here sounds like a real conspiracy theory, which of course I was in San Francisco. I hear a lot of them, right, about how the government.”

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  19. “Of the things he did was he transferred those 25,000 bitcoins to an exchange called Mt. Gox, which was a Japanese exchange that had gone belly up. Well, we went over to get the Mt. Gox Records and they didn't have any. They had been, you know, the exchange had kind of gone under. And Mark Carpellis, I remember meeting with Mark Carpellus in Japan, and Mark Carpellus said, you know, those records we don't have. And by the way, you guys did a seizure, you guys being the US government did a seizure warrant for Mt. Gox. Not just not only were we hacked, the feds seized it. Well, guess who was the affient on the seizure warrant? It was none other than our secret service agent who had stolen the 25,000 Bitcoin.”

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  20. “And he had staged, by the way, he had made it look like the Silk Road, Rosselbrooks, right-hand man, who was, by the way, a grandfather in Utah, if you can believe that, the right hand of the Silk Road, he had staged the whole thing to make it look like that individual had stolen the 25,000 Bitcoin. So Ross Olbrucht says, you know, what is my right-hand man doing stealing 25,000 Bitcoin from my side? I know it's him. I've got to take care of this. And who does he turn to to do the taking care of knob the other undercover federal agent who he's befriended over two years? So the details are quite crazy, but I will tell you again that without that blockchain technology, we wouldn't have been able to get the records because in the case of the secret service agent,”

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  21. “Knob, but I didn't mention the other agent. The crazy thing is they weren't even working together. But another agent on that task force who is a secret service agent on detail to the NSA, who was one of the U.S. government's experts in encryption technology, it turns out he had stolen to him twenty-five thousand Bitcoin from Ross Olbroch in the Silk Road, which today that would be worth just over a billion dollars.”

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  22. “And because of it flashing the badge, hey, this is an undercover operation bank so and so delete those records. And not surprisingly, the banks complied. Here's a federal agent with a subpoena saying delete these records. It's a sensitive undercover operation. So the blockchain was really critical because it was decentralized and immutable, meaning it can't be changed. We were able to follow the trail. And that's why I say but for the blockchain, we wouldn't have been able to bring this case or this indictment. In fact, I mentioned”

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  23. “Paint a picture for you. And it's also the key things about the blockchain is it's immutable. No one can change it. And that turned out to be really important in the case we're talking about because these agents while I was investigating them. Were agents the whole time. So they were hot on my trail. They could look and see what I was learning. They could peek in our investigation. In other words, the government wasn't able to terminate them just because we thought there was some nefarious conduct afoot. And so the blockchain was actually really necessary because in several instances, they were actually able to get banks and financial entities to destroy records to cover up evidence of their crime. They also forged subpoenas and forged court orders and the like. I think burn bags.”

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  24. “There are numerous blockchains, but let's just use the example of the Bitcoin blockchain. And it's essentially, Tim, what it is, a massive ledger that keeps track of kind of who owns what. And instead of some central entity keeping track, it's instead done by what are called nodes all over the world. And these nodes, in the case of the Bitcoin blockchain, are called miners. And the best way to think of them in my mind is think of miners like the workers who are performing computing work to secure the system that keeps track of this ownership. So it's kind of this decentralized, not central, big, huge ledger that keeps track of who owns what. Does that?”

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  25. “So actually, I'll go a step further and I'll say in law we have this concept called but four. You know, but for this, this wouldn't have happened. And I can tell you that but for the blockchain, we would not have caught, by the way, you said Nob, there are actually two federal agents. We'll get into that in a second because it turned out there was another rogue federal agent doing all kinds of other things who was on that Silk Road task force. But for the blockchain, we would not have caught these two corrupt agents. And I say that if I sound like I say that with certainty, it's because I'm certain of it. We would not have caught them otherwise. And in fact, the only reason that we were able to investigate and follow the flow of funds was because of the blockchain technology. And without it, we wouldn't have been able to bring these two individuals to justice. In fact, they'd still be today federal agents, I'm quite sure of that. And moreover, they'd probably have over a billion dollars worth of.”

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  26. “So, again, I didn't prosecute Ross, but I remember that case well, because as you note, Tim, he was apprehended in San Francisco. So I actually remember when he came into the federal building at the Justice Department that day. And you are right that there were some mistakes. He was pretty good at obfuscating, but there were some mistakes. And I think there's a New York Times article on this that the IRS agent on the case Gary Alford was kind of just on the open web found a reference to his real name on Google somehow. So I think your memory is correct. But of course, like you say, it's a bigger piece of a puzzle. I mean, it was a multi-year investigation. It involved search warrants from what I understand all over the world and a number of different pieces of the puzzle. But one piece indeed was what you said, which is the kind of rookie mistake of leaving a few digital breadcrumbs in the form of his real name that ultimately led to his apprehension.”

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  27. “Bitcoin or of dollars in Bitcoin, but also selling Russellbrook secrets into the government's own investigation using that death from above Moniker.”

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  28. “Like, are they online during hours in the middle of the day? What kind of workouts are they doing? Are they hiking the hills? What are they eating? Are they eating salmon? Where is that found, right? So just little clues over two years really can help a government investigation. So Kob was getting these clues by befriending Ross Olbroke and Knob's cover story was that he had connections to the criminal underworld in Latin America because he was a drug cartel leader. And his int to Ross Olbricht was, hey, I want to buy your business, your Silk Road. I like this business. So that's how the two started communicating. And somewhere along the way, Knob went bad. Knob became a double agent playing both sides and extorting Roslbrook for hundreds of thousands of dollars at the time of Bitcoin, which today would be hundreds of millions of dollars.”

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  29. “Well, where were we? So we were at the Silk Road. The government's trying to figure out who's the mastermind, and it has a couple different task forces on that job. One, as I mentioned, is outside of Washington, D.C. That's where Knob and others are befriending DPR and getting little clues into who or where is this person? How do they do that? They do that by having Knob, who's an undercover federal agent, befriend online DPR, Ross Olbrecht. And so for about two years, Knob and DPR are communicating almost daily. And they become actually friends. If you read the chats, their messages on the Silk Road website, which the government leader sees, they become kind of, you know, they engage in friendly banter back and forth. What did you eat today? Oh, what are you doing? Are you working out? And the reason for that, Tim, is those kind of little clues in inform the government, well, where is this person?”

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  30. “It's with an N. It's N-O-B. But if you think knob is a kind of crazy handle, the personas that Nob invented to actually then extort the mastermind of the Silk Road were French made and death from above. So we can get into that in a moment. So Knob is just the tip of the iceberg in.”

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  31. “As you mentioned, DPR and the government, the US government for years was trying to find out who is DPR, where he or she located. Are they in the US? Are they elsewhere? And how are they running the Silk Road? And so they spend a number of years trying to find out. And one of the kind of secret weapons that the US government had was an undercover federal agent. Who I'll call Nob. And Knob is one of the people I ended up prosecuting. But this undercover federal agent befriended the mastermind of the Silk Road.”

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  32. “So, the Silk Road, as many of your listeners probably already know, but for those who don't, is a darknet site. And it's a site that you can buy anything from fake passports or that you could buy anything from fake passports to heroin to fentanyl to drugs and just all kinds of contraband, right? I was actually not involved in the investigation into Rossellbrook and DPR. A lot of people think, oh, you ran the Silk Road case. I was actually involved in what I'll call the twist of the Silk Road case. I was involved in some of the agents who were investigating DPR and Rosselbrook and the Silk Road. I ended up having to prosecute them. So let me back up before we get to that. And by the way, that started with a tip that someone in the government was up to no good and moving cryptocurrency. But before I get into that, that twist piece, just to answer your earlier question about the Silk Road. So there was this.”

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  33. “If you weren't at Glen Park that day, Tim, that means you missed the lover's quarrel that the FBI staged in order to nab DPR's computer. I don't know if you read that story. Yeah.”

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