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Lisa Dickey

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first: 2017-07-10
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“And I thought there And buy socks just because he's like, I'll just buy some at 11:30 p.m. on New Year's Eve in 1995. In New York.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's true This is the person. You're welcome, everybody, because otherwise Kara would still be like, How do I send you a post letter?”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're using really crude So I introduced you to email, and like it was like a little light bulb went off by the time I came back. God, by the time I came back to the States, you were writing about AOL and a broke deal.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not going to So, this is what happened. Short story. This is such a good story. No, it's a short one. Kara and I were friends. This is 1994. Kara and I were friends and I told her I was like, I'm moving to St. Petersburg to find my fortune as a writer. And Karen was like, oh, well, I guess I'll see you in three years when you're back. And I said, look, you should try this thing called emails. You should get on this thing called email. There's this little company called America Online. And you should sign up for an account. And then you and I can email together. Yeah.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Again, like, isn't that what's so fair? Fairs in the streets is what you're gonna find. Yeah, that's right. Bears in the streets. But it's like you never know, right? Like I would not, you know, from 2005 until now, I wouldn't have guessed that.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know. I think so. I was trying to somebody and I was like, what kind of technology will probably have like a GoPro camera installed in my forehead? Or like.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that's the thing we didn't have during the Cold War. There wasn't any way to have connections with the Russian people. Just a person-to-person solved the problem. I don't think it's going to solve it, but I just think it helps to remember that these are real people we're talking about. It's just everything just becomes such a caricature after a while.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, it's so, there's so much mistrust that's going on between us all now. You know, there really is. And there's, and the one thing that I think is important to remember is, look, we can't do anything about whatever it is that Donald Trump is doing in the White House and we can't do anything about what Putin is doing in the Kremlin. But what we can do is make sure we are having connections with people. I think I said, you know, there was a guy who came up to me after I did a talk at one conference and he said, you know, I've been asked to come and moderate a panel in St. Petersburg, but I feel like I should say no because of everything that's going on. And I said, no, it's the opposite. Like now is when you say yes. Like go over there, meet with them, talk with them because it's just helpful to have we have so many tools available at our disposal to be able to have connections. The fact that I have all these Russians who are my Facebook friends now and Instagram, we're Instagram friends. And it's like, you know, I think that's really critical now.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, that's definitely helping me. It was very helpful. Yeah, it's if I could not even begin to predict where we're going to go because I would never have predicted that we would end up where we are, where we think they're at.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that's very important to remember You know, who's going to So, what do you think happens given the level of scrutiny right now in Russia, and largely to do with hacking and largely to do with screwing around with our elections”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, and I think that's very true. I always try to make a distinction between, I mean, I think the line I used at code was there are 144 million Russians not named Vladimir Putin. And that's very important to remember, you know, because in the same way where Americans don't equal Donald Trump, Russian people don't equal Vladimir Putin. With my book and with these trips, I wanted to sort of be able to show people, look, this is why they love Vladimir Putin. Like, this is the hook for, this is why, this is how we can understand on a deeper level what his popularity is and why he's popular. But on another level, I just wanted to show like these are people who just like you and me, they worry about their families, their kids, their home, their jobs. You know, who's going to walk the dog this afternoon? I got to go do this thing. Like, you know, these are just regular folks, really. And we do have a lot more in common with them than we think we do.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Russian was going to try to trick me or compromise me. And accepting. I think they would have been more wary. So, where do you imagine the Russia U.S. relations going? Because besides one of the things, the points you're making at code was that don't see these people in the wrong light, that you may not agree with them, but they're different than you imagine them to be.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To do the first trip now as opposed to when I did it in the mid 90s, I'm not sure that people would have been quite so welcoming and accepting. I think they would have been more wary.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, like we like it when Russia is weak. That's how they would phrase it. But, you know, the first time I ever went to Russia was 1988 and it was still in the Cold War, it was still the Soviet Union, and it really was. It was like really tricky the relations between us and them. And I happen to be living and working at the U.S. Embassy. And so, you know, we had all these rules. Like, I couldn't meet alone with a Russian because the Russian was going to try to trick you, you know, trick me or compromise me or something. And then in 1994, I moved to St. Petersburg just to live and work as a writer. And it was like, oh my God, this is great. I can move about freely. I can talk to anybody. It doesn't matter. It's like it was really peace had broken out all over. And what's been interesting is to see as I've done these trips, we've just come right back around, you know, in a lot of ways. And, you know, lucky for me that, you know, I do this trip in 2015. I'm going across and I'm talking to people and they're all very open and talking to me in large part, I think, because they've known me for 20 years. I think if I...”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, the 90s were a good decade for, but you know, what the Russians would say and did say to me on this trip, they're like, well, yeah, of course that was good. Of course, you guys liked that because we were really weak. Right.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know what I mean? Are okay with this? And these are Republicans. Things happen That said, I think most people, you look at polls, most Americans are concerned with it. They still have a vision of Russia's not friendly.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, why is the current president angry all the time in the Germans and never at the Russians when you know what I mean? There's something deeply weird about the fact that so many people in this administration are not okay are okay with this. And these are Republicans, Republicans for years have been like, watch out for Russia, look out for Russia. And now all of a sudden it's like, well, maybe they messed with our election, but you know what? Things happen. And I find that very surprising.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is what I find incredible. I find incredible that the current administration and so many people who are at the top levels of that administration are so obviously saying this isn't a big deal, this doesn't matter. That's what is really surprising to me. It makes me wonder what's going on. You know, why is it that”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of how effective it is, but are you shocked that one government's trying to mess with them? Well, I don't watch the Americans”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think their feeling would be look, you've got to protect your servers, you've got to protect your, you know, I mean, I think there were a lot of mistakes that were made on our end in terms of when the hacking was happening. You gotta learn how to complicated thing. I wish in some ways that I had been there a year later to be able to ask people what they thought about all the stuff”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that my impression of what a Russian person, but the people that I talk to, and again, this is me speculating because you're right, I was there in the fall of 2015 and this was not nearly as big a story. No.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But look, you know, it's funny and I, you know, spoiler alert. I do this, put this in my book too, but we have bears jumping in swimming pools all across California right now.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are some bears. There are some bears. Yeah, there are some. It's actually on my while I was on my trip halfway through this 2015 trip when I was in Nova Sibirsk, there was a big story all across Russia where this one bear in Habarovsk went and like somehow got into a shopping center late at night and then they had this video. Actually if you Google Habarovsk can bear shopping center. They couldn't even spell Hibarvs. He's like pounding on the thing trying to get out and then he busts out the doors and then he goes running down the street.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Very, very tech savvy. It's easy to get. You can get Wi-Fi in a lot of places. You can get Wi-Fi on the Moscow metro. You know, they're just very up on everything. Like, you, it's, it would be a mistake to think of Russia as a place that's backwards. They don't have bears wandering in the streets.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, they use Google. I'm not sure about things that were created in Russia that they're using because I don't use any of those products myself, and so I'm not really sure. But they're very good.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Those are, I'm actually not sure whether they use Snapchat or not. I was actually just thinking about that earlier today. I'm not sure. I don't remember talking to anybody who is...”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so the Russian Facebook essentially is called Kontakzia, which means in contact. And a lot of Russians are on that. And a lot of Russians are actually on Facebook too. A lot of Russians on Instagram. Instagram is super popular. You know, and they're just, they really are. They're texting constantly. Twitter, do they use Twitter?”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, oh yeah, everything. I mean, Brett is particularly young Russians, you know, anybody under the age of 30 is constantly looking at their phones just like everybody is here. They have all kinds of texting and social media and their own stuff and they use our stuff.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They're just like sitting there. Oh my god. Press conferences at the White House. Some weird. But we'll talk about that when we get back and what's happening with the Russian involvement. This is Lisa Dicky, author of Bears in the Streets.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“9 11 was inside job. And it was like, I just said to her, I was like, look, I'm not the hugest homer about my country. Like, you know, I like my country and everything, but we're not perfect and I'm willing to, you know, there's a lot of things I could say about that. But I got to tell you, you're really wrong about this, about the Russian press and the American press. Like, really, you are. Although look, you know, we see what's happening now here with our press, like, you know, not being allowed to film the press conferences at the White House and, you know, shutting down and not, you know, and everything is quote unquote fake news. And so we're definitely moving down a path.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And they were like these Russian women that you see in Monaco or like spending. Oh my God, there's like beautiful women fluent in English. They came and picked me up in a Land Rover and they just were like, they were just like, oh my God, they were just, and when I saw them in 2015, so now they're 31 and 36, and we went out to lunch in this place in Chile Aubbins called the Wild Boudoir Cafe. Oh my God. I know. It's actually a really nice restaurant. But so we went and sat and had this meal. And the 36-year-old, who again, she's fluent in English. She can read any media that she wants. She was the most anti-American person I met on the trip, Barnon. Like, this was the only time I saw her was at this lunch, and she almost immediately leapt into telling me why the Russian press is more free than the American press, why the Russian people are more free than the American people.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How God the young girls were such a fabulous, crazy story. I mean, You know, I interviewed these two sisters in Chili Abbins. They were 11 and 16 when I first met them. And the 11-year-old in particular is this little girl with this little ponytail and practicing her piano. And, you know, they had a nice life. They were like, they were the one family that had the credit cards and the parents had actually recently gone to Italy. And that was just unheard of in the mid-90s. And so they were really nice family. And, you know, we wrote about them. And then I came back in 2005. And the 11-year-old and the 16-year-old were now 21 and 26.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“had heard their music and loved them and brought them to New York City in the late nineteen eighties. So this guy had like traveled abroad. He'd been to the States. He seemed like a super open and chill guy. But then, as I say, he had this terrible, I don't know if it was, I don't know what you...”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And most people were actually really chill about it. Most people were very cool about it. And the rapper was not so much. He was very thrown by that. And he also was one of a few people on the trip who basically said to me, well, it's clear, it's been proven that 9-11 was an inside job, that the American government basically was behind Destruction of the Twin Towers. And it was so odd to me because he was one of the few people, certainly in 1995, he had actually been to the States. He was with the band, very popular Russian band called Vukimu and Brian Eno, the producer, superproducer.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The wrapper was an interesting, this is MC Pavlov is his name. And he was a really tricky one. He was trickier than I expected him to be. He was one of the few people. I just sort of as a social experiment on this trip across Russia this time, I revealed to people that I'm gay because I was really curious to how people would respond. Because, you know, obviously in 2013, Russia passed this law that you can't propagandize being a gay person. And so I was like, well, now I'm going to go across the country and propagandize the fact that I'm gay and let's see how that goes.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then I get back in 2015 and I'm really curious do they still have money to do these things because the ruble has fallen and they did have the money to do this stuff and it's really interesting because the first two trips, I was very focused on do the scientists have the resources they need to do this and on the third trip it became apparent the story was that the lake is actually really sick now. This magnificent lake that's always been one of the cleanest bodies of water in the world is now being choked by algae. Like the sponges are dying, the health of the lake is really precarious right now. So that actually became the story”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They were so broke, and the institute wasn't getting the money they needed to do these expeditions. And so in order to do the work that they needed to do, they would sell postcards on the side or they would sell aquarium fish. They were trying to find ways to make enough money. Actually, do these expeditions So then I go back in 2005, and suddenly there's all this oil money flowing in. They have plenty of money. They're doing all these expeditions. They're not having to look abroad for funding, which was like, they felt embarrassed by or like. You know, they felt like, oh God, in 1995, like we're constantly having to ask foreign governments for money to study our own amazing lake. And this again goes to the ship that they have on their shoulder, not them specifically, but Russians in general.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They actually really were. It's funny. It's not like people changed in some tremendously huge way. They really didn't. It was pretty consistent. The lighthouse keepers were more or less the same. They had been super nervous on the first trip, you know, because Vladivostok used to be a closed city, and then it was open, and then there's these Americans poking around with all this weird equipment. And then they were less nervous later. But, you know, I wouldn't say that people changed a tremendous amount. There's circumstances certainly did. Like, you know, you mentioned scientists of late by call. One of the things that was really fascinating was in 1995. We went out on this expedition with these scientists, and these are world class scientists. I mean, Lake Baikal is an amazing lake. It's like Woods Hole Oceanographers, right?”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Really, because happens in cities and happens. So I think in Russia, when you're talking about Russian people, and particularly for me, I try to stick to the people I actually spoke with and who I have experience with, the majority of people that I spoke with on these trips were not in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Right. But then the people I spoke with in Moscow and St. Petersburg were a little bit more, had a slightly different attitudes. Not access to, but they just were more aware, I think, of the differing opinions of Putin worldwide. Whereas there were a lot of the people that I talked to who were in Siberia or the Russian Far East or the smaller villages and towns, you know, they just, the ones I talk to, they just love the guy.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And there have been recent protests. Yeah. And I would say, I mean, I think this sort of shorthand is look, if you look at the United States and how people feel, how Americans quote unquote feel about something, you pretty much kind of take New York and Washington, D.C. as separate entities. Not separate, but they're not representative. Well, it's a half and”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is that correct? Yes, again, let's obviously they're not a monolithic people, like there are a lot of people who don't like Putin. And there's been recent protests.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh my God, he's really funny. He's perfect. He's chesty. Yeah, he's very chesty. Very chesty with a big, you know, Russian Orthodox cross. But it's funny because what I love about those calendars is they're like they'll always have like the triptych of photos, right? Putin, either with a gun or on a horse or like with his shirt off. And then there's Putin cuddling some sort of furry animal. Right, that's right, or something. And then there's Putin looking like Putin, just like your favorite uncle, right? Like he said, Oh, look, here's Putin. He looks like a nice guy. Let's go for lunch or something”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He was saying America because he said you guys are screwing with our economy, you're doing it just to make us weak because it makes you stronger when we're weak. And he had actually a framed picture of Putin up on his bookshelf with pictures of his family. I mean, I saw so many people had framed pictures of Putin and like calendars of Putin and they really should.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I'd be going across country and I'd talk to people like, you know, there was one guy who lost his job. He ended up working as a bus driver, but he had to stop doing it because he wasn't getting his checks. The government. So, this used to be a huge problem in the 90s. The government couldn't afford to pay people, and now it was happening again. So I said to him, well, are you mad at the government or are you mad at Putin? And he was like, oh no, I'm not mad at Putin. I'm mad at you guys.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because the price of oil had gone. The price of oil had fallen again in January of 2014. You could get like $1 would buy 33 rubles. And when I started my trip in September of 2015, so about 18, 19 months later, one dollar would buy you 67 rubles. So the rubble just collapsed again, and it was partly due to the sanctions, and it was partly due to the falling prices of oil.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So if you look at it as sort of the arc of the 95 trip, it's chaotic. The ruble had collapsed. Everything was terrible. 2005, they're a lot stronger. The price of oil had risen. 2015, their economy is not doing so well.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He just was putting chapters up online. He was just like a nobody writer, he was just writing the stuff and putting it online. I mean, it's better.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, you read the book, which I had just read the book actually, it is written in the book that it is China. And the guy who wrote the book”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because there's a lot like that seemed to me like a really prevalent attitude among people that the things that we're doing are meant to screw with Russia. But I think we also think that about Russia, that the things they do are meant to screw with us.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“China, who do we ask, right? We ask China. Then we come out of the movie theater, and I said to Valera, I'm like, oh, how'd you like the movie? Thinking he'd say like, oh, you know, American can do spirit, Matt Damon, square-jawed American hero, ha ha. But instead, he was really pissed off. He said, I cannot believe who would ever suggest that you would ask China instead of Russia. He was so offended by that. And he was really convinced that that was like the American government forced the filmmakers to make this choice just to screw it with Russia.”
2017-07-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Lisa Dickey, author, 'Bears in the Streets' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT