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Liz Plank

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first: 2019-12-20
most recent: 2019-12-20
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Feminine man, Scott Galloway, not at all. Bring it up. Bring it up. We're going up here, there in Toronto. We're doing a live pivot. Yeah, brown face. Hope you do. What the heck? That's great. Thank you. This is Liz Plank. Yes, gender neutral, feminist fabulous. And I put my glasses on if you take it. I know, I'm sorry. I'm on Instagram while I'm. I'll take it again. So feminist fabulous on Instagram, on Twitter, I'm Liz Plank on TikTok, you know. Cara's favorite app.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Have to say. No, because they're all horrible. Yeah, they are. I'm going to dress her all. Celing Dion has a gender neutral line, you know? Really? There's a lot of that. We just do it”
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“So ridiculous Where do they come from? Wolf Bang. I know. Yes. Like, oh, yeah, let's get the wolf bane versus then ours are flirty, curly, just give me. I'm not looking forward to bar.”
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“I know, trust me, we just was going for like one of the old spice ones. Where do they come? Wolf. Yes. Like what? They make fun of it. My son's like, oh, yeah, let's get the wolf bane versus theirs are, you know.”
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“An interesting Really? Yellow and blue? No, it's so gender neutral. I don't know. And say, like, I don't know. You know how they market those body washes to men by putting like steel in all these, trust me. I just was going.”
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“But it's really worth reading. It's an interesting book. I'm going to see if I can get my sons to read it. We'll see. The color on the, I'm not sure the color on the book will work for them. Really? Yellow and blue? No, it's so gender neutral. No, it's not. It's not. Really? No. Should it be darker, like black? No. No, I don't know.”
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“But it's hard for them for sure when any of them cry, they definitely have a problem with it. We're not a crying family particularly. Believe it. But we're relatively, it's interesting. It's an interesting question when you get forward. But it's well worth reading and knowing about it. It's an interesting book. I was surprised by it. I thought it would be more popular. I'm not a big pop science person. I don't like this.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. My boys, it's so funny, everyone's like, oh, now your boys are teens. They don't talk to you. I'm like, oh my God. I wish my boys would talk to me less. No, I don't. Boys, I love it. They're very...”
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“How are you feeling? They're either angry or not angry. There's not sad, disappointed. They get fewer emotions. And that's, you know, to say that men are inherently less emotional, have less of a desire and need for intimacy. Oh my God. Anyway, it's ridiculous. That's crazy. And they're going to find intimacy in ways that they can. And often it means...”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sure, they get shit from the reefs. It's fascinating. Exactly. But we've changed those things, right? Girls used to get shit for doing things that they now can do, and we have different role models. We have different movies. We have different books. We need the same thing for boys. We need the same thing for everyone. We need everyone to have a full way of expressing themselves in the world. And again, I keep saying I'm going to end, but your questions are so good. So the best way it was explained to me was by one of the psychologists who did the APA guidelines who were looking at how we were approaching men in terms of clinicians and psychologists. And he said, gender is like a Swiss army knife. So you have a bunch of tools, you have the knife, you have the magnifying glass, you have the corkscrew. And it's not this conversation around masculinity. It's not about taking away some of the tools. It's about adding more, giving more ways for boys to express other things than through aggression and violence. I think that boys end up, to your point, showing more aggression and violence because that's the only way that they can really express themselves.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So let everyone. I'll never say it again. Don't tell Jim Bankoff. I said that. I really think, and this is fundamentally, mindful masculinity means consciously approaching your gender. It's like Marie Condo for your gender. Just go in there, see what you want. Yeah, does this spark joy for you? Does this pink top spark joy? Yes, it does. I want to keep wearing pink. There are some.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Boys and girls basically do the same. In poorer, more marginalized communities, the gender gap really widens. And so to me, this again opens up the importance of having a conversation about how boys need support. There are so many parents who literally believe that giving boys support is bad for them, that you have to roughen them up, right? If you give them too much, you're coddling them and you're going to make them feel too safe, right? The Gurian Institute. Exactly. And we don't love feminine things. This is all rooted in misogyny. And because we don't like, you know, that's why we're more comfortable with girls acting like boys than boys acting like girls because we fundamentally believe that what is masculine is superior and more acceptable. And so we have to highlight that we have to value women in our society. We have to value the feminine and the collaborative empathetic, these quote unquote sort of traditional feminine qualities. And we have to let everyone be whoever, can I swear the fuck they want to be? Very”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Strengths and size. And yeah, those differences absolutely exist. But what we're seeing is that there's a fundamental shift. I mean, and again, this is all in the book, but psychologists will notice these differences from seven or eight years old. The way that we, again, raise boys and girls differently just really creates these huge differences. And when you examine things and you take away all of the environment they were raised in and all those differences. And one thing I just want to end on, or I don't know if we're ending, but so the gender gap in education is a perfect example. We do have these very big differences in the way that girls perform in school and boys perform in school. Do you know where that gender cap completely disappears?”
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“Masculinity with them. Think about it. Yeah, you're going to keep thinking about it. There's a lot of kids in San Francisco dress differently. And it definitely in San Francisco bothers people, which is interesting, even though it's much easier to do that. It's still, you can see discomfort. The other part is when you do have kids, there are, I think about this nature versus it's the nature versus the nurture thing. That's how we do it. But there is nature things. Absolutely. There's, you know, and I hesitate to say it doesn't. There are not differences with aggression. I don't have a girl yet, so I don't know. We'll see. And I do think, you know, I happen to be a more aggressive girl. I was when I was little. But it was interesting raising boys because there's definitely...”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Talk about masculinity with them. So, yeah, we're obsessed with gender. We really, if you meet someone and you can't figure out if they're a woman or a man, you're going to think about it. You're going to keep thinking about it. There's a lot of kids.”
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“I have no time for that. Of course. I had a genre reveal party, book party, so I don't know if I'm ever going to have a kid, you know, so I needed to. I'm having all the kids. You are have them for me. Perfect. Over in Babylon. I love flats of kids.”
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“Yes, my girlfriend's pregnant. That's so exciting You know what I'm saying? I have no time for that. Of course. I had a genre reveal party book party. So I don't know if I'm ever going to have a kid. So I needed to bank in all of the attention. I'm having all the kids. You are have them for me. Perfect. I can come in over and bake six.”
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“Why stray people do that? No, you're not. I'm sorry. I know. I'm not. But I can take responsibility for. I'm just about to have another baby. Yes, my girlfriend's pregnant. Stop. And it is a girl. But nonetheless, here's the deal. That's so exciting. They were like, you're going to have a gender reveal. I'm like, what even is that?”
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“Everything plays into it. It does, but we have created those differences, right? Gender is actually made up, and sex even is sure biological, but it's a spectrum too. If you look, and again, coming back to data and people can dig into it if they read the book, but if you look at us as children, the brain is a unisex organ, right? We are actually fundamentally very similar. There's more differences amongst you and me as women than there are between a man and a woman in our society if you generalize those differences. We create those differences for sure. We give a lot of importance to gender. What's the first question that you ask someone when they tell you they're pregnant, right? Oh, is it a boy? Is it a girl? We had these gender reveals parties, which are insane. Why do people do? Oh, you're not sorry. I know. I'm not. But I can take responsibility for. I'm disappointed.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think Men Oh, tractable. Yes. And that's why it's so important for us to have this conversation, to dispel the myth that there's a gender war. It's not women versus men. And I was always, I believed in that. It's because it's like”
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“I mean, testosterone. Test becomes equal. Yes. And there's Well, I think it's interesting because there's a lot of pop science around it. Totally. And not just the narrative, the narratives are on, which is really interesting. And I find it one thing I will push back is I don't think it goes away. I think people, this narrative is probably the strongest, except for hating the other and being fear-based.”
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“That's the payment at the end. End up on dancing with the stars. No, no, but they lose them. Yes. I mean, testosterone becomes equal. Yes. And there's so many lies about testosterone. Testosterone, there's hardly any studies, again, coming back to the need for a positive conversation around masculinity. I could hardly find any studies that had a positive framing about the benefits of testosterone. All of the academic research or the vast majority of it is focused on how it makes you lie more, how it makes you steal more, how it makes you more violent. Testosterone does make you seek status. So there is this thing where testosterone is correlated with basically people who have it seeking more status. It is not correlated with violence. If you take out testosterone out of a sex offender, if you literally cut a spenis off, he's not more likely to not go out and rape again. There's a wealth of research and data out there, and we have so many lies about men in our society that well.”
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“He's a great cook. Yes, there you go. See, he says Interesting for It's not physical necessarily. Yeah, I laid out in the book because I, again, see in all my mentions. And so I investigated it.”
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“Like, I'd make an excellent wife. I said, you would. He's a great cook. See? And I said, what is the wife? You make an excellent husband. Yes, there you go. See, he says, my other son interestingly was talking about how men die sooner. And I am trying to get him to the, he's just joined the debate club, which I think will be interesting for him to understand how to argue properly. But one of the things is why don't you think that is? Like, what do you think the reasons are? It's not physical necessarily.”
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“Across history, when we've looked at economic downturns, when we've looked at recessions, when we look at when things are bad, there's a direct correlation with men unfortunately committing suicide and dying from suicide. Because if the only thing that you're good at in society is being the provider, which is, by the way, still the definition. You ask every man can ask your male producer. That's the number one thing that they say because they don't have anything else to say, which makes me so sad, right? Why is that the only thing that you think that you have purpose in life for? It's interesting.”
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“Well, yeah, I mean, I don't even want to try and make predictions, but we will all be watching this. But we have to talk about how these policies, again, coming back to, I mean, this is dying of whiteness, right? Jonathan Metzel's entire book is about this, about the ways that all of us are hurt by these policies by Trump. But white men are particularly, really hurting as a result of these policies. So if you look at, again, the case of suicide, the case of men's life expectancy, right? Jordan Peterson and these alt-right movements are built, I mean, I see it in my all of my mentions. They say feminism is not necessary. Men don't live as long as women. Do you know why men don't live as long as women? Because we don't live in gender equal societies because of the patriarchy. If you go to Iceland, it's the place in Europe, the country in Europe that has the smallest gendered life expectancy. So men actually live longer in societies that are gender equal. Men live longer in feminist societies. You know what? The antidote to male suicide is women working.”
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“Coming back. You can attribute that to me. You go right ahead. It is trickle. We know about trickle-down economics, right? He Don't They don't get arrested every room that works for them. They're going to get arrested.”
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“He's not the problem Marginalized community you happen to be in. It never were unsafe. It's a very simple And then let us look at the statistics of these companies. Do you know what we have to do then? We have to talk about trickle down dick economics, right? We have to talk about coming back. You can attribute that to me. Go right ahead. It is trickle. We know about trickle-down economics, right? That the rich want to implement these policies, making the poor think that they're going to get something out of it. They don't. Donald Trump wants you to think that his model of masculinity is the model that men, you will get rewarded if you act this way. You don't, right? We have now arrested.”
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“It's not him. Everyone's always like, he's not the problem. You put a mirror to, like, that's what it looks like for whatever group you marginalized community you happen to be in. And I know I get the, oh, everyone's whining, but one of the things I talk about with tech a lot is the reason why Twitter isn't safe is because the people who designed it never were unsafe. It's a very simple, not men or women, the people who designed it never unsafe. And then let us look at the statistics of these companies”
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“Sure, sure. I think that as in many respects, not just in terms of masculinity and gender, in terms of obviously his positions on race, on trans issues, sexual orientation, I mean, everything that he stands for and against is giving us a really good backdrop about where we want to go as a society.”
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“Right. That he was able to get away with it because he was rewarded. So, what does that say? Like, here you have a book talking about mindful masculinity and the person who's running our country is mindful would not be the first word that would pop to mind. Sure.”
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“Bad people. You cannot get there. And it's not a function of age. But that's still the model, right? Right, that he was able to get away with it because he was rewarded. So, what does that say?”
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“Yes, there you go. Where are the stories about men? Why aren't they, you know, if the right to choose has benefited millions of women, unless one guy did all of that, it's also benefited millions of men. And so I think that we really benefit everyone benefits from making this conversation around feminism, gender equality, me too, sexual assault, abortion, to really making these conversations gender neutral.”
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“Yes, marginalized. And Indigenous men are actually experiencing higher levels of violence from white women too in terms of reproductive freedom. And that's why, again, this conversation not just around the Me Too, around abortion rights. I mean, I've challenged men who are running for president to say how they have benefited from abortion rights or reproductive justice in this country because we can be sure that there's a man standing on that stage who is able to stand on that stage because his partner was able to space, they were able to space how many children they want and space them according to their lives. And so we've had Wendy Davis, we've had Jackie Sphere, we've had female politicians go publicly with incredibly private and vulnerable stories of their own abortions. And where are the stories?”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. And that's why of all colors. Absolutely. And that's why I really wanted this book to be intersectional. It's absolutely vital that this conversation starts from an intersectional perspective. I have these vignettes across the book with men who quote unquote don't fit into the definition of idealized masculinity. I start with Thomas Page McBee, who's an incredibly thoughtful writer and author on all things masculinity who happens to be trans. I have an interview with a DRC Charrington who is gay, black in a wheelchair at the intersection of all these different identities. I also interviewed my friend Nico, who is actually Indigenous, and he talks about this cross violence, right? Indigenous men are not benefiting from any of the rewards of the patriarchy. And he talks about how even the most”
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“You know what I mean? Like, this is not a mixed, this is not. There are And part of, I think, the criticism of the Me Too movement, again, or of the conversation that we have around sexual assault is this sort of punitive, right? This idea that if you put all these men in prison, we're going to somehow solve the problem, which women of color, people of color know that that is not achieving in any way a better society if we put more people in jail. We actually need to get people out of there. And so I agree. That's, you know, white women tend to perhaps not have.”
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“Doing that So anyway from that victims thing is the idea of how you make a mindfulness because the word mindful is certainly loaded. The second part is that who are you, Amy? Because one of the things that I think should be, it has been critical of not you necessarily, but like a lot of white ladies telling.”
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“Exactly in the industry, and again, this power dynamics was incredibly important. But if you notice, there were a lot of men who were very uncomfortable with what he said, and particularly because he is this sort of symbol of alpha masculinity. And so he, you know, you can look it up. I don't want to name names.”
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“Their time and energy explaining why sexism is bad and why we all have experienced harassment or assault or aversion of this. So I want this to be gender neutral because I think that, first of all, again, a lot of people who are not women are victims. They're gender non-binary people who are victims, trans people who are more likely to be victims, who are victims. There are men who are victims. I think Terry Cruz, for example, talking about his experience as a survivor and his experience.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I've been in rooms. I've been in rooms literally went to a Times Up Amazing Dinner. And like every other feminist event, there's a room full of women who are incredible and magical and who are saying incredibly important things. And then there's two guys in the back of the room that we thank at the end. And we say, and thank you to the male allies in the room. And it's, you know, some guys, some person's boyfriend and then a cousin. And they go, thumbs up. And then we go, take it to the guys and then they go, sure. That doesn't sound like a good strategy. That doesn't sound like an effective way to reach men. And so that is also what was part of the reason for writing the book, because I just was looking inside these rooms and I said, we get it. We totally get it. We're actually, it's actually insulting to have to go on cable news over and over and over again or to go on panels over and over and over again. And for women to win.”
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“Me too. Oh my gosh, men feel understood. I think they do. And look, I think this is an incredible movement. It has made such a difference personally in my life, personally, my family, and women that I know who are survivors. And I want this movement to keep growing. I also want this movement to be gender neutral.”
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“Attack on this one For putting up with it. Women have put up with a lot of shit and they continue to, and that's a whole ball of wax we have to unravel in this society. Care, but these women do, and it was interesting. Anyway,”
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“Again, the most vile version if we had a higher standard. Well, it was interesting when the pussy stuff came out. What was interesting about that is I remember all my friends, most of whom were quite feminists and simply, not all of them, but were like, we're going to get them on this. I'm like, no, no, don't attack on this one. And I was like, be careful of how you attack because you're telling women who have shitty boyfriends that they're stupid for putting up with it. And I was like, don't, you're insulting women have put up with a lot of shit and they continue to. And that's a whole ball of wax we have to unravel in the society. But for sure, you're not attacking him because he doesn't care. But these women do. And it was interesting. It was interesting. Anyway, we get back. We're going to talk more about what mindful masculinity means when we get back with Liz Planck, who has a new book on the topic.”
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“That we are going to elect again, the most vile version, if we had a higher standard, if we had a positive conversation around masculinity, maybe we would recognize that most men want that too.”
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“See the appeal in lots of To the people who vote for him because I think they're wrong Yeah. Can I tell you when I knew? Donald Trump was going to get elected. This is also a Vox start. So I went to one of his last rallies in Pennsylvania with Vox only to talk to women. Seven out of ten women had an unfavorable view of Donald Trump. And we kept braiding that statistic over and over again on Cable News and everything. So I asked women voting for Trump, I said seven out of 10 women have an unfavorable view of Donald Trump. What would you tell women to vote for him? And this one woman looked at me and she said, I think that's seven out of ten women have an unfavorable view of a lot of men. Yeah.”
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“Okay. Victims, I don't know. I think, unlike other people, I take the time to read Jordan Peterson. So I see the appeal. Like, I remember seeing the appeal of Donald Trump. I see the appeal in lots of ways. And I'm not trying to be empathetic to the people who vote for him. Because I think they're wrong in many ways, but in all ways, almost, because they like to do an a la carte version of this man. Nobody is a la carte as far as I can tell.”
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“Pearson. He's the Margaret. And who are in their basement? He's not the army. Right, it's like Trump is not the all right, but outright him They're on the internet. Yes, they're looking for meaning and to better purpose. It eventually gets to incels. Exactly.”
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“Who get all the attention? So, I think that they get the intention in all the wrong ways. They are getting the attention when they do horrible things. And there's this horrible, you know, when you look at Jordan Pearson, Tucker Carlson, there's this, I mean, young men are lining up for Jordan Peterson. He's the most best-selling Canadian author of all time. Do you know who else is Canadian? Malcolm Gladwell. Margaret Atwood. He has sold more books than them combined. That is staggering. And this is the part where I'm interested in art, do you think that men who fall prey to the alt-right, to people like Jordan Peterson, and who are in their basement? He's not the army. I mean, people in the alt-right thinks he's right. It's like Trump is not the al-right, but alt-right, like him. Do you think that those young isolated men, right, that even Steve Vannon admitted to this, right? That's how he built Breitbart. He used to work at a video game company, and he said these isolated young men, we need.”
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“I mean, now I know. I learned the hard way. And you know what would have been great is instead of promoting how much of an ally he is to the women in his life and getting cookies for that, if he had examined his own masculinity and the way that he, again, I mean, this is like private, but he would, you know, feel a need to control and manipulate. And, you know, he acted kind of almost as a manager in my life. And that's because he needed to be in control of what I was doing in order to feel like a man. He needed to be in control of our finances because he needed to feel like a man. You know what, you know, him wearing it, this is what a feminist t-shirt looks like did not remarkably make my life better. But him examining how gender has impacted him. And this is really, again, a lot of people might say, well, you're putting all this attention on men. Men are not victims. Why are you doing this? Women are suffering. Why are you putting this?”
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“You know, that kind of thing of like, I like that, you know. What that is a whole thing. With each other That, but are four. Lot of Right. I mean, you know what's so interesting is that I dated those guys who wear This is what a feminist looks like t shirt and get all the high fives on Instagram and then treat you like shit in private, right? And so that was really important.”
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