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Liz Plank

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first: 2019-12-20
most recent: 2019-12-20
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“For the idea of woke masculinity, which can be Seattle or San Francisco, very, you know, a very woke bro, but isn't really woke, you know, that kind of thing of like, I like that, you know, what that's hard to do. And then on the other side, you have sort of the Jordan Peterson angle of what that's a whole thing. That's a whole thing. And then there's the men's movement where they would go and be manly with each other. So there's all kinds of conflicting things, but I think at the very heart of it, when I think about diversity, you know, when people talk about this, is it's not just women that are being impacted, it's people of color and men who don't want to behave like that but are forced into the behavior in a lot of ways. And I was always thinking of those men because I was like, not as the most important part of the equation of fixing it, but that it was like, there's a lot of men you're leaving out of the techie image and stuff like that.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He did. It must help to not work. Yeah, in the worst place on earth. Dancing. And I wanted this book to have an intersectional perspective. Did you watch him dance?”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right? No one knew what to do because to me it's so sad. And he was a respected figure. I mean, in the Republican Party, and isn't he like, used to be in the army, he's just really had this stature, maybe not amongst progressives, but in the political world. And now he's on dancing with the stars, with Miranda from the office. Like, she's not even the best accountant on the office.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“good men know You know why? Because patriarchy is a pyramids game. Patriarchy is, it tells you, this is what you're going to get if you ascribe to all of these, you know, ideals and these behaviors. And then you're going to get rewarded for that. 1% of men do, right? Donald Trump became president, being the most vile version of what a man can be in our society. Did Sean Spicer get rewarded? Did Scaramucci, right, in his little green top on Dancing with the Stars? It truly is remarkable. And I really want to...”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All of the men came up to me and said, I had no idea. And that's terrible. They wanted to do something in a meeting and then didn't have the tools. So it was, and I sort of was like, this is really interesting. Why don't these good, I call them good men, know? And why did these women not tell them and why don't they ask? And there was a whole, like it was really fast. You know why?”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's interesting because when you talk to venture capitalists in Silicon Valley and others, I was just with one when they were talking about some stuff. And I think a lot of, when we did the Ellen Powell coverage, which was really interesting, is every woman who we did a heavy amount of coverage on Recode, which I thought was critically important. But most of the women, all of them had a story, eight stories of sexual harassment, some of them very minor, some of them, you know, it was a sliding scale of awful, essentially.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that's when they start shouting, get laid, dominate, get him, win at all costs. These very violent, aggressive definitions of being a man. And what really came across for me about when I heard that exercise was there are a lot of men who want to be good, but they are corrupted by a society that rewards them when they're bad.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Engage in bad behavior that they don't want to engage in. And one of the ways that this really came across for me is Michael Kimmel does a million talks around the country, talks to so many different men about this. And he does this sort of exercise with them where he says, what's a good man? Just throw out things. So they start saying, you know, standing up for the little guy, being protecting the people that I love and being there for the purple that I love, being dependable, being loyal. And then he says, okay, what's a real man?”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That would be a great story. That would be a great story. Yeah. Anyway, go ahead. Sorry. So anyway, you know, no toxic masculinity changed. I was like, we need a better term. So I prefer the word idealized masculinity because I think that it is, we're approaching again this conversation in the same way that we approach feminism where we say, you have taken on a lot of these assumptions or these roles that you might want to keep, right? I love pink. I'm wearing pink right now. I'm going to keep that, even though I probably was thrown this color in a million different ways as a child. I'm going to keep on to that. Do I want to hold on to the fact that I'm constantly doubting myself in meetings and that I'm not asking for a promotion or that I feel insecure? I don't want to hold on to that.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Tommy, I know actually there's a typo in the book where she's called Tom, and that was not on purpose. That would be great if that.”
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“Show. Did you black out? Do you remember? I want I'm not getting into it. You didn't know you were going to be on with that? No, it just was. Get off. I mean, you two in a room. And I gave her the game.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That I was really lucky He Use Something's actually need to exactly Well, some people do They sort of I was on a show with her. Which show? I did a favor for Steve Halden. Did you black out? Do you remember? I wanted to reach across. I was thinking I'm going to go full lesbian on this lady just in a second. I'm not getting into her. Besides her being just dumb, like that was the most offensive part. But I just was like, I was like, I'm going to kill you, Steve Hill. I really was mad at Steve Hill. You didn't know you were going to be on with that? No, it just wasn't funny.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“With a positive term and frame this conversation again in a positive way, in the way that we frame the conversation around feminism and the workplace, right? We didn't say you have taught, there's something toxic about your way that you're a woman. We said, oh yes, and there are, please. Yeah, women are, I mean, this is a whole other part of this conversation of how women also interviewed Tommy Larren, interviewed some conservatives, and how they sort of play into all of this. So women are not necessarily.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Define those for me. So I had the word toxic masculinity 174 times in my book, and I, 10 days before my book went to print, my daughter was super thrilled that I came to her and I said, I want to take out the word toxic masculinity out of the book. And she said, no way. And then I said, I need to do it because I had this conversation with David Hogg that I was really lucky. Exactly. The leader of one of the leaders of the parkland movement. And so I asked him, what was the connection between toxic masculinity and gun violence? And he looked at me and he said, I don't think you should use that word. And then I was like, what? And he said, I know what you mean when you use that word, but they don't know what you mean when you use that word, pointing to, you know, this idea of the people who actually need to something's wrong. Exactly. And the people who are not afraid of that word probably don't even need this book. The people who actually do need this book and who are doing the most harm either to others or to themselves will be turned off by that book because of all of the propaganda that's out there. And so I wanted to come up with”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In a world, I want to put a pin in the idea that men are victims because they're not comparing comparatively. And I don't want to harp on that, but the dangers are much fire for women in terms of suicide and things like that. And also especially stuff online, the effect of concept online bullying and things like that. But men suffer from it absolutely the same thing. But let's talk a little bit about the idea of, and we'll get to Me Too and stuff like that in a second, but okay, so the idea of masculinity, you have toxic masculinity and you have mindful. Define those for me.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just horrific suicide epidemic happening in this country. And we have that suicide epidemic that's happening in the worst way in places in Trump's America, right? In places where we're seeing particularly white men want to elect the man that they feel like they can't be anymore. This idealized masculinity, right, of this guy who's rich and sleeps with porn stars and is this tough alpha masculine hypermasculine sort of symbol. And so I find that the point of entry into these conversations has often been the masculinity is the problem. And I am more interested in a conversation where masculinity is a solution where we can have conversations about yes, don't be a danger to other people, but also how are you Collateral damage in this patriarchal masculinity world.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally, which was interesting. And that's where this conversation gets interesting, right? So we talk to boys and say, don't be the egressor, don't be the perpetrator of violence. And the vast majority of perpetrators of violence in America and across the world are male. The vast majority of victims of violence are also male, right? So don't be the perpetrator and don't be violent. But the thing that we don't often acknowledge is how there's violence between men. That men When they are dealing with pain, don't only hurt women in their lives. We know that the single greatest threat to a pregnant woman is basically her male partner.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Made that big a deal of it, but what was interesting to me was tracking how pervasive society shifts. I tried everything like India loves the color pink and orange, you know, and you should like it if you like it. And I've saved the hat, actually, which is interesting, the hat he used to like to wear that was pink. It was interesting, and I didn't particularly want, if he didn't want to wear it, I wasn't going to make him wear it or make a social point about it with him or bang him over the head with it. But it was really fascinating to watch, or we can't watch Prince's videos anymore. We can't do this, and it was really fascinating. And I was like, where are you getting these messages? Because I'm not giving, I'm not giving you any messages at all. I wasn't even doing the other ones. And so it was fascinating. And then once you put them on, they would like them, which was interesting.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's interesting because when you run into it, it's an interesting question several different times. There's two things I focus on. My kids understanding of their position, which I don't want to guilt them either at the same time, there can be a lot of too much of that. But I do was walking with one of my sons who's both my sons are quite tall and big because we used a very tall and big donor. And we were walking down the street and I kept looking behind me and my son was like, what are you doing? And I'm like, well, I could get raped. Or like I'm watching for my safety. And then I thought, oh my God, you don't even think of it. Like every day of your life, you can walk around pretty certain you're not going to get attacked. You know, it's not in your calculation. You might get attacked, but it was an interesting thing. And I said, you got to realize other people don't have the experience you do walking through the world. And I thought it was a good moment. And then the other time is when my youngest son was in school and he liked the color pink. And he did. And then he didn't. And we lived in San Francisco, very progressive school, and I was fascinated.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Fantastic that I'm at. But a lot of parents aren't, you must notice it. A lot of parents aren't comfortable with that. I mean, I spoke to parents who were extremely progressive and were saying, oh, yeah, my daughter, I want her to be a big feminist and using, you know, the word feminist. And then, oh, you know, my son was holding a bouquet of flowers. And, you know, I told him, don't do that. And they think that they're protecting that.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sure. But one thing, a perfect example is when I give talks, I'll often start the talk by saying, who here has ever told their daughter that she can do anything that a boy can do? And everyone proudly raises their hand, right? It's 2019. A lot of parents are proud to say, you know, I encourage her to go into engineering, to coding, and be like, quote unquote, a badass, right? Makes her a badass to do those manly kind of traditional things. And I say, okay, who here has told their son that he can do anything that a girl can do? And then suddenly”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Books, and there is, you know, not to say that no one has ever talked about masculinity, but what I found is that there's a lot more comfort, right, talking about how we raise girls free from gender. There's a lot of relationships free.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't, I think it's a resource. It's a tool. And a lot of women, you know, I've had criticism from men. I'm aiming at men and I was told no man was going to read this book by several publishers. And what I'm seeing is that a lot of men are buying it. But I'm also really created this book so that women can give it to the men in their lives so that they don't have to do the emotional labor that so many women are doing in their relationships with men. So it's a place to start and build your own conversation around masculinity. And it's just, you know, it's the tip of the iceberg. Because, yes, we talk about raising boys in parenting.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of course, sure, you know. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes, absolutely. And I am extremely data focused. I love...”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know, paying for the check. And as a radical feminist who grew up in a feminist household, I never thought that these things were affecting me, but they were.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then it's basically that they try and fix, they don't listen, so when their female partner comes to them with an issue, they're constantly trying to fix it for her. And she doesn't need them to fix it for her. She just needs them to listen. And then I asked, you know, gay men, she said, it's a lot of internalized homophobia and all of that is really difficult in those relationships. And then I asked, what about, you know, gay women? And she said, those are actually the easiest couples because it's just personality issues. There's no, and again, this is not to say that there are no issues in lesbian couples at all. Oh, there are. Yes. But it's pretty interesting that when you have two women, you don't, you know, there's something interesting that happens where you don't have this patriarchal internalized idea of what masculinity is and what femininity is. And I didn't realize until I went on this chivalry diet and yeah, I started just dating it in a different way. How much of these power dynamics were corrupting my own relationships that I wasn't saying what I needed because the guy was”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“in But we can go into that later. Great idea. Same time, it's Yeah, and you know what's interesting about Samsung Couples I date women and came out as queer while I was writing the book and I learned the most about men when I started dating women I learned so much about the shit basically that I had you know the predetermined roles that I was bringing into the power dynamics I was bringing into my relationships I interviewed this therapist for the book and I said what's the number one problem that women have in relationships with men in stray couples and they say oh they don't you know they're not assertive enough they're not they don't say what they need and I said what's the number one problem for men”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“idea that we need to To protect girls. Right. And we don't. It's not entirely. There's a lot of parenting thing because I thought very hard about raising men in, as you know, my theory is lesbians should raise all the men, but we can go into that later. Great idea. They are woke and masculine at the same time. It's really quite interesting. Not all of them, I'm teasing. But I remember thinking about it quite a lot because of messaging and how I was thinking of not their pain necessarily, but how could they be better men, essentially?”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's been a couple Because I have them all. Right. But when did that sort of come to you, that this idea that we need to protect boys? Because I think there are so many books out there. And again, there's a mainstream conversation about how we need to protect girls. All the things we need to protect girls from. But there isn't as much of a conversation.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of course Right. But go ahead. Explain your thinking on that. Well, the patriarchy hurts everybody, right? That's something that Bell Hooks has been saying for years and has written about. And there's a lot of feminist scholarship about it. But when you look at the mainstream conversation around feminism, it's mostly based on this idea of how are women being hurt by the patriarchy? How are men hurting women? And of course, those things are true, right? You can't find a single woman who's not been harassed, assaulted some form of trauma due to a man in her life. And that is all real. The thing that I didn't know and didn't understand having had a mass, you know, an entire academic sort of career, if you want to call it, in gender theory, is that I never read a book about men. I was never assigned a course.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. And so then, but again, as I'm talking to men, I'm realizing, oh wow, you are hurting us because you are hurting. And I started basically approaching the entire conversation. Why didn't you come to that? It's an interesting thing.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And men, exactly, move along. The ones that are stuck in that orientation. And so my sister's saying, I wish we could just make a menu. We could just choose a man, you know, make a man, choose the noodles, choose, you know, no intimacy issues. And very comfortable with powerful women and all this stuff. And we start laughing. We're like, oh yeah, there should be a guidebook, like how to be a man. And then I say, and a woman should write it because men are always telling us what to do. We all laugh. And then I just have this, you know, sort of light bulb moment. I'm like, oh, that's a book that I should write. And so as I'm writing the book, I'm reporting. I'm researching. I'm speaking to men about this topic. The entire framework of the book actually changed. So the idea had spicy ramen was how to be a man, a woman's guide. And it was, there was a sex chapter. There was like stop doing this. We hate when you do that. Sounds like cosmopolitan magazine.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm just teasing. That was a joke, people who liked him and tell me. I like that. You're so witty. I know. No one ever made that joke. So you're like the menu. So making the menu, we're having difficulties with men in our lives. Like, you know, every effort.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Look, this was, I started writing this book four years ago. So this was pre-trump, you know, the world was very different. And I was literally having Rama and with my sister, the East Village. And we're looking at the menu. And she was dealing with menu. Exactly. Why isn't it a woman you? That's the next book. That's the next book.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, all right. So here's the deal. So you did these things, but you've had an ongoing, the thematic parts of your stuff has been towards around gender politics, essentially gender politics, gender issues, and stuff like that. So what got you to write the book?”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Who knows? I did. It's like the Bill Clint Whatever. It's gone downhill. It's gone downhill. But I, okay, sure. I'm going to.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It with Corey Bookers. Up with this crowd. Who knows? What presidential candidate to do this? Please stop. I did. It's like the Bill Clinton. Ever since Bill Clinton answered questions about his underwear or whatever. It's gone downhill.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Put that in the notes. No, no. Oh, that's you. That's what I'm doing. The microwave challenge. So that's where you basically it's, I would have to show you, but you lean on your hand and you're sitting on the ground and you turn your hand and your entire body starts moving. And with the angle of the camera, it looks like you're just on a microwave, you know, tray. And I did it with Corey Booker.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You are not Of stuff around you. It's just a TikTok trend to TikTok. I know. With breaking the fourth wall and you being like, And you're yelling at me Okay, we could do that. All right, so no, we're not going to do that at all. Put that in the notes. No, no. I'm taking my son to get his driver's license. That's what I'm doing. Oh, that's you. That's the Louis Swisher challenge. That's what I'm doing. Can he actually pass his driving test, his physical driving test? And then the other challenge? I'm sorry.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because Jennifer Beals got me to do it. So, can I get her phone number so she's going to ask you to do it? And I even did I'm not a challenge doer. Okay, gotcha. You create your own challenge doer. Well, the straight face challenge is basically I have to make you laugh. So you stare straight into the camera and you are not to laugh or smile and I do all kinds of stuff around you. It's just a TikTok trend. I hate TikTok. I know. Well, I thought that that's how we could end the TikTok with like breaking the fourth wall and you being like, TikTok, you own all our data in China and you're yelling at me. And I feel like that's on brand. Okay, we could do that.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've About a ton of things. And we started like the shockingly Have you heard about that? No. We're doing it later. No, we're not. You know what I want to do with the straight face challenge? Because then you don't have to, this is perfect for you. No, okay, great. Perfect. I'm not going to do any challenge. I did one time I did the ice bucket. You did? Because Jennifer Beals got me to do it. Okay. Can I get her phone number so she can ask you to do it? No. Only Jennifer Beals will I listen to. And I even didn't want to do it, but I did it. And I felt bad afterwards. I'm not a challenge doer. Okay, gotcha. What is explain your challenges? What is the new ones?”
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“Shockingly. They like parental leave and all the welfare. That comes with living in the most feminist country on earth. And then, yeah, considerate was sort of a follow-up to that show with Facebook, who was, again, interested in hosting these civil quote-unquote conversations. And we just closed out with Corey Booker coming into the studio doing a TikTok with us, the microwave challenge. Have you heard about that? We're doing it later. No, we're not. You know what I want to do with. I want to do the straight face challenge because then you don't have to, this is perfect for you. Okay, great. Perfect. I'm not going to do anything.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so Yes, both of the last shows that I've done at Vox Media have really been, again, in the interest, I think, of these very difficult conversations that we're having is to not just be inside our bubble and to be talking with other progressives about how they feel, but really reaching out across the aisle, that sort of super basic cliche saying, but that actually is incredibly important right now. So devise Ace of Women. I co-hosted this with Heatha Herzog, a really good friend of mine who's a Republican. And we sort of would have conversations about a ton of things. We sort of like the view. Exactly. And we started realizing why aren't more people maybe having these conversations and maybe if we were able to have these conversations would encourage other people as well. And then it turned into a Comcast video series, which was super fun of traveling across the country. And even in our last episode, going to Iceland, where I tried to go save men, they did not want to be saved from them.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We started real hard. That was the interview. Oh, thank you. That was a great interview. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. You were in like a cafe. We were love and say to him right now, but yeah, there's... Yeah. On the election. And And then you started the show aimed at women. Yes. So explain that. So you were doing that and then you did the podcast of Vital States of Women. And Considerate had a lot of those topics.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did do, yes, I was given a lot of creative freedom to tell stories in a sort of strange, curious way sometimes. And especially talk about really serious topics like racism, Islamophobia, sexism in a way that was funny, in a way that didn't make people sort of, you know, the whole point of everything that I do is really to disarm people. And instead of running away from conversations that they really need to be talking about, making it accessible and comfortable and maybe even fun.”
2019-12-20 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Liz Plank · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think on a personal level, I'd never done video before I'd never done digital video before. as beginners and I was working though with a production team that was amazing and incredibly talented would come from Vox actually that was the whole story at the time controversial and you know Regina Sam Thones Billy Disney still my some of my closest friends and collaborators they were just brilliant and The great thing too was that Mike was a jungle gym. Truly it was with all the difficulties of the media at the time going in there felt like going to high school and being given projects and being like just run with it. And so we were given a lot.”
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“But it was funny, they run down and they get to the newsroom. They'd be like, we're here to report. I'm like, who does that? I remember being a young reporter. I'm like, I never run down the newsroom.”
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“Ways to deliver video and information to people. And exciting. And I know it sounds crazy, but there was a show called West 57th years ago from CBS, or one of them, and they had all the young reporters, and one of them was someone who's not young anymore, but it was really funny they had all the young reporters, and a lot of the beginning of the...”
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“Right. And I mean, what happened is we all built this around the Facebook model, right? 2013, we were getting all these views and we built, I helped build the video team there and we had a very successful video series called Flip the Script. We got 33 million views in our first season.”
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“I remember having lunch to them. I was like, millennials don't read any Regular people ARG is about Because he was saying Millennials wanted differently. I'm like, do they I mean, slightly differently, obviously, you know, quicker, faster kind of thing, but the idea of snackable content. Some of it was quite good It just was building an entire company on a run. It was sort of problematic.”
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