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Maggie Haberman

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  1. “Hi, this is Kara Swisher. Thanks for listening to this podcast. Our media industry listeners will already know this but Recode is owned by Vox Media and we wanted to include a special shout out because we're so proud to be associated with them. Vox Media is a fast-growing modern media company known for its standout technology and high fidelity advertising. Its platform is what supports our growth here at Recode, and it's what allows us to go deeper into the topics you, our listeners, care most about. For us, that's tech news, reviews, and analysis. But for listeners who haven't already, you should check out Vox Media's other editorial brands. There's Vox.com, which goes deeper into explaining the stories defining our world today. On Espy Nation, they tell the story beyond the scoreboard, and there's many, many more, including Eater, Curb, Racked, and Polygon. If you aren't going to go deep, where are you going?”

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  2. “My concern is that I agree with everything David said, although I think that there is a difference between how he has used political capital versus actual power. And I think that just the actual power a president can amass in this country is actually pretty limited, which was sort of an original intent. My concern is that there is going to be some kind of an unforeseen event or a known unknown like a terror attack. And how he responds to that, given his devotion to trying to keep some form of a travel ban in place, given how DHS has been incredibly aggressive about deportations, things like that, that I am concerned about domestically. Obviously, I'm concerned about North Korea, but who isn't?”

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  3. “Yeah, all these things that have shrunk. He could have, I think he had a moment on January 20th where the Democrats were afraid of him and the Republicans were afraid of him and people were willing to give him a chance. He could have had an enormous amount of power. And he doesn't because of the way he's used the power that he has. And sometimes he still seems to be treating acting like he's a guy at home at the TV instead of a guy who's in charge of the country. So I'm optimistic domestically. I think that the sort of guardrails of democracy have held, the press has gotten stronger, figuring out how to cover Trump. North Korea is the one thing I don't know how to value. I don't know whether the optimistic or pessimistic about that. I mostly just choose to ignore it.”

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  4. “As I said, I'm naturally an optimist. I do feel like domestically the worst sort of fears of what the Trump administration would bring in terms of damage to democracy and sort of gathering of power in one place have not come true. Mostly, I can't tell you what the intent behind this was, but mostly through incompetence on the Trump people's parts, the fact that they began their administration not with things like infrastructure or tax reform, which Democrats would have been scared to oppose them on, but with the Muslim travel ban, 15 different versions of healthcare that were unpopular.”

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  5. “Well, we don't have to do everything the same. Look, I still find Twitter useful. I think that it is a good platform for pushing out work. It's just that I used to do things like engage in these idiotic fights, which is a terrible look for reporters. And then I'd be fighting with an egg with 27 followers. I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Like, I was fighting with someone once and somebody DM'd me and said, that is literally a bot that you're fighting. It's like, oh. You could have called...”

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  6. “Yeah, I think that there were a couple of, I think the Twitter, the risk of Twitter is that we all sound like we're screaming at the television. And I think part of the problem with covering this presidency is that we spend a lot of time talking about why can't Trump control himself on Twitter. And so that I know that when I can't control myself on Twitter, it's not a great look. I think that Glenn found it was mostly honestly it was a time suck. And it was not, it's not, the way David uses it is great. And I used to use it that way. And I still do sometimes that is still how I get sources. Sources will DM me. People will see something I wrote or posted and they'll try to reach me that way. So for that, it's inherently useful. For sharing reporting that I can't get into the paper, it's incredibly useful. Everything else? So, I mean, I think that Glenn isn't mental clarity over playing the anger video game, which is what I'm going to do.”

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  7. “Let me amend my answer. Actually, if I could go cover anything right now, I'd actually like to go cover New York City's political system again because that's where I started. And it's just fundamentally broken.”

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  8. “Is. I think he's a really fascinating figure and would like to read. I mean, he's the opposite of Trump personality wise and so sort of hard to write about, but his view of American politics and his own place in it has been completely upended in the last few months.”

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  9. “You mean within politics or anything? I mean, I think within politics we are shifting slowly to cover people in Congress, and I think Mitch McConnell is the most fascinating figure, someone who is like, there was Alec McGillis, this person who used to work at the post, wrote a book about him called The Cynic, right? Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell had been so cynical about using, stoking the sort of Fox News conspiracy theory right to lift his people into power and thinking that he could then control it. It's like once we get the power, we don't really want to do all that crazy stuff that these people want us to do. We'll then be able to enact tax reform and do sort of more mainstream conservative things. And now he created the monster and it's eating him now. And so McConnell, as cynical as he thought he was, he was wrong. He was idealistic in some ways and to watch his vision for what this Congress could do with Trump as president completely disappear and to think about what his future”

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  10. “Thank you all for being here this morning. It's been a great discussion so far. My question is, in consideration of the sort of command that Trump has over the news cycle, if we could fantasize about a time where y'all had the resources and time to focus on another person or another situation. Y'all be interested in covering such a good question.”

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  11. “Trump got mainstreamed and then the party kind of couldn't get rid of him, even though they sort of wanted to in 2016. Trump mainstreamed Steve Bannon. I mean, Steve Bannon was sort of on this fringe with Breitbart, and he brought him into the White House. And so the idea that the White House now feels like they're going to say, don't listen to Bannon, you made him your chief strategist. What did you think was going to happen?”

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  12. “That, but that is true. But Trump basically was like mainstreamed that way. I mean, he was this total fringe person at that point who was screaming about the birther stuff, which Andrew Breitbart, the person whose website the website's named for Andrew Breitbart, he rejected Trump very, very forcefully in 2011, rejected the Berther stuff. So this is not what conservatism is.”

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  13. “I think that, look, I think that the White House by the end. There was a pretty broad feeling that he was a huge source of problems within the White House that John Kelly had made clear to him pretty early on you will not be a survivor on this island and you're going to have to figure out a way to go because you are a source of enormous trouble. One of the ironies about Bannon for me, and I've thought about this a lot in the last couple of days, Trump was sort of enabled by the Republican Party in 2011 and 12 Mitt Romney sought his endorsement. Ryan's Priebus thought he wrongly thought he was a major donor, which is why Rein's Priebus kept going out. I mean, I will never forget one of Rein's Preebus' people saying to me in 2011 when I said, why is Reinz not speaking out harder about the birther stuff? This person said, you don't understand. Trump is going to do a major fundraiser. And I said, yeah, you're right. I don't understand.”

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  14. “Would be just based on his history, the more stepped back. But you have a bunch of people basically in the White House who are trying to execute a pretty careful dance with somebody who Likes to just say what's on his mind and likes to sound very”

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  15. “Sorry, I forgot. It's a great question, to which I don't have a great answer, unfortunately. I mean, the way I interpret it is that when he came into office, this was the one issue that Obama had told him that he was the most worried about, and I think Trump has remained the most worried about it since then. I think it has just kind of lodged in his brain in a certain way, and he knows he has no good options. His advisors have asked him to stop saying things like Rocketman, which Trump amuses himself with, but which don't really have much effect. He and Kim Jong-un are well matched on insults, but they're not well matched on strategy and sort of understanding of each other's own chess game. I don't have a good answer in terms of where this goes. I think that my understanding from some of my colleagues is that H.R. McMaster is actually been more vocal about being aggressive with North Korea than I had anticipated because I had thought he would be among those.”

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  16. “And to your point, I mean, so much of all of this stuff with him is self inflicted. It is always reverse engineering some other thing. And so he has gotten himself into a bind. And it is, in the world of Donald Trump, nothing has ever done his fault, so it does be everybody else's fault. But I don't think this is going to end happily for some people. How broad that will be? I don't know whether there's actually evidence of him having knowledge about Russia, I don't know. But he continues to act like somebody who is concerned, which is one of the things that perplexes people in the White House and some of his own lawyers more than anything.”

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  17. “The investigation, I mean, I'm a complete bystander of that. I sit near people that report on it and I read about it a lot. It seems like it's picking up Steam. I mean, Maggie's right that Mueller, by firing Comey, he gave Mueller a license to look at everything Donald Trump had done since birth. And that is what Donald Trump has spent his entire life and some of his charitable donations trying to avoid. I mean, a lot of the big donations he gave from his foundation were to the Police Athletic League of New York City, which was the pet charity of the DA. So he spent a lot of time trying to avoid people looking into his personal finances. Because he didn't think God has now brought that on himself”

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  18. “I think Trump has sort of devolved so much of the actual governance into Congress. I think that's why it slowed down because Congress is even a scared, paranoid, trying to ram through at the last minute before a deadline Congress is slow because there's so many people involved. So I think that's been part of the slowdown.”

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  19. “There have been a few. I think the investigations, they're not moving together, but they're moving on parallel tracks and Mueller's office is in pretty close contact with the congressional investigators. And Mueller now has 17 people working for him. And they've got a grand jury. I mean, look, they've told, we reported that they told Paul Manafort he's going to be indicted. Now, does that mean he's going to be indicted related to something to the campaign? I have no idea. That actually is not my sense yet. As the Clintons know very well, are very fraught. And if anyone has finances that I think are They would not like having somebody poking through it is Donald Trump.”

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  20. “Like a guaranteed loser if they vote for this, they might as well say goodbye. If you don't see tax reform passed, then I think that you are going to see an increased number of congressional retirements and a lot more criticism from Republicans of Trump.”

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  21. “It does, but you know something, and I said this before, and then I didn't follow up on it because I was too busy avoiding one of your other questions, but things have actually slowed down a little bit because there's only so long you can sustain this kind of light with no actual productivity. Healthcare, I don't see how it happens. I think McCain dealt it an almost certain death blow. I think McCain has decided that he wants to go out his own way from his career in the Senate. So that then puts the focus on tax reform, which is what Trump was telling people back when the first bill got pulled that he wished he had done. And so I think that is likelier to pass because I think there's more incentive to pass it. But not if it's going to be passed with some of the provisos that they're talking about right now, which is like taxing people's 401ks. I mean, there's all sorts of things that will make for members of Congress in certain districts. It's going to make this”

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  22. “That's what bashing the media does, right? It wouldn't run out of everything. David Clark from the Milwaukee Sheriff. People died in his jail. The rest of the counties turned against him. He loses his job. What does he have left bashing the media? And you can live for a long time as a conservative activist on that base anger by stoking anger at the media. And that's bad also, but by us being outraged and taking ourselves out of the job that we do to become spokespeople and activists, I think that only helps it and incentivizes people that continue doing it.”

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  23. “I feel like the sort of outrage, it's important. I think it's a bad thing that he's attacking the media and undermining our credibility. The response from us, to your point, cannot be outrage. It cannot be that we make ourselves the story and this sort of, I feel like bashing the media, you know how country music stars get like an extra 10 years on their life when they go to Branson? Like you're washed up and you go to Branson, you can last another 10 years.”

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  24. “Some people need a hug, but I also think that peopled constantly Posting Instagram videos of themselves asking questions of here's what I did in the briefing room. think that that helps any of us. I just don't.”

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  25. “What's better? Look, it's like we don't, right? This isn't about, we don't need a hug. That's not what we're in this business for.”

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  26. “And what worries me is two things. What worries me is people taking individual actions against reporters that are potentially dangerous because there have been an increase in threats, I think, made against people. The other thing that worries me is just there's this creeping crackdown on transparency. And the AP did this story the other day that was really important about state to state you are seeing an effort to respond less to FOIA requests. You are seeing information provided less. We know that this administration has scrubbed websites, has not answered FOIAs, is not releasing White House visitors logs. And I'm not even sure that they're holding on to the visitors' logs. That's what scares me more than that.”

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  27. “Maybe, but I mean, I think it's not far. So I think it works for his base. What I do think is that to David's point about the public screaming, you know, I hate the media. And then, hello, is that there are some of his supporters who aren't really in on the joke.”

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  28. “I know it's kind of terrible. It's sort of in broadcast news, which if people have not seen it, you should watch up so well the best journalism movie that I've ever seen from the 1980s. And there's a scene where one of the new anchors, the Pretty Boy Anchor, has filmed an interview. He's confronting a military general, and he keeps in the clip of him confronting the guy. And Joan Cuzak says, I love that you left that in. And Albert Brooks says, yes, yes, let's never forget. We're the real story, not them. And so some of the, you know, oh my God, he's just being so harsh on the media. Like nobody gives a shit about the media being treated.”

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  29. “Or did he have to attack you to dominate? He did NFL John McCain and someone else. I don't know. Does it work? Do you think it's effective or does it make you scared? Because I know there's a lot, there is a lot of pearl clutching in the media. Like I can't believe he said that. At one point there was a whole bunch of reporters. I was in Washington and they were talking about this and they kept saying, I can't believe he said that. I can't believe he said that. And I was like, for fuck's sake, he says it all the time. Believe it. Like, stop. This sort of being indignant and angry and self-righteous seems to get nobody anywhere, essentially.”

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  30. “Yeah, you can read the book. It's actually a terrific book. It's Angry, which I like. It's an angry book, which is always a good book, as far as I'm concerned. Let's talk about the attacks on the media. Do you think it, I mean, obviously as a media person, you have to go, of course it matters, but is it more of, what does it feel like right now? Because now it seems to work among the base, because did he do it last night again?”

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  31. “Be clear, I had asked earlier in the day, and I'm pretty sure Bob did too if we could talk to him. It wasn't as if we were on speed dial, however he did return the phone.”

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  32. “Its healthcare bill dramatically. Trump at that point was really into the, you know, I hate the media, I hate the media, the media's terrible. Who did he call? He called Costa and you, right? To tell you Trump had a piece of news that people didn't know, which was that the house was going to pull its healthcare bill. And the two people he told were the Washington Post in the New York Times.”

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  33. “That you can actually give your money if you have money to give. And then there's Trump, who has not really given of his money and of whom there have been huge questions about how much money he actually has. And anyway, so because of that, because of how New Yorkers have been written about in the Times in part, that is part of his sort of obsession with the paper and wanting it. His first big interview was after he won, was with us. And he came to our offices. We didn't go to him.”

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  34. “But one of the things that I was thinking about that you said that was really interesting was about the whole the way you get accepted in society is give money to charity. And that's definitely true in New York. And there were times when he did do that. He made donations to the gay men's health crisis in the 80s because that was socially acceptable. And that was seen as the socially good thing to do. But it's when you were talking, I kept thinking about this story about Mike Bloomberg from 2001 when he was running for mayor and it was in the Times and it was one of the best stories I have ever read about him written in like May of 01 or something. And the lead was Mike Bloomberg showing up at a party in, I think the late 80s or 90s and seeing the invitation list. And remember, Mike Bloomberg was from Boston, and he sees the names hosted by Ron Lauder and this one and that one. And he turned to whoever he was with and he said, how do I get my name on this? And that's how he became a huge philanthropist. But there's two ways to do that.”

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  35. “Don't want to get into you don't have to say if you will, but what I will say is that he's laser focused on the Times approval because the Times is New York elite and it's the elite that look down on him and his father and his mind when they were outer borough builders. And it's a stamp of approval. To David's point about sort of the Bruce Wayne narrative that Trump tried to craft for himself, I kept thinking about this, and I am totally avoiding answering your question. Yes, I can see that because you're not clear. Don't worry. I'll ask again as well.”

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  36. “No, no, no, I know what you mean, but what I mean is that even these things have sort of when do they, he speaks to people for when they're useful to him. I have had a very, very up and down relationship with him over several years. But a lot of it is... He's obsessed with the New York Times. It's really hard for me to. So”

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  37. “I wouldn't say whether I do or don't, but I don't, but I think that the idea that somebody has a relationship with him, I just think it's like a flawed premise. Nobody has relationships with him. I mean, everybody is disposable for him for the most part, with literally maybe three exceptions. And so, and I don't mean in the media, I mean like in his life.”

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  38. “They think that when you say, oh, they didn't comment, that they imagine a scene out of the movies where they're hauling the president by and you're like, do you have any comment? And they just don't say anything. But no, you sent them, you gave him lots of ways to answer these questions. So that's been part of my response to that. They didn't do it to me again after that.”

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  39. “I mean, yeah, for every story, we would run charities on Trump organization, we would reach out to him. Occasionally you get some sort of spokesman to call you back, but I never got him again. And there was a time, obviously before when he was really, really easy to get on the phone. But yeah, one of the interesting things for me was to learn, talking about learning to deal with their press operation, there was one incident last year where I was writing, I wrote a story about Trump's charitable giving, and I sent them a bunch of questions that Trump campaigned a bunch of questions about it, and they didn't respond at all. The story comes out. It says that they didn't respond to these queries. They then took the answers that they should have given to me that I had asked for and gave them to CNN. So CNN could have me on and sort of zats me with it and say, like, we found some problems with your story that Trump campaign gave us this information. So what I started doing after that was posting all my questions on Twitter. Here are the questions I ask. Just because I think readers, when they see you say, the Trump campaign did not call.”

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  40. “No, I haven't talked to him since May of last year when he called me a nasty guy and told my editor at that point that he wasn't going to talk to me again. I've tried to talk to him a number of times since then.”

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  41. “Not now, the new situation. Right. It's all changed. But that is where I think a lot of the exhaustion comes in is you... I think the word gaslighting has been rather overused, but I do think there is a degree to which you spend so much time trying to make sure that the ground beneath you is actually solid, that that is exhausting. All right.”

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  42. “Discussing sofas, right, and then you're just correct. Just sort of along those lines, how people in the campaign thought that their offices were bugged, how you should always assume that your conversations are being taped, how you have to be careful what you say to him because he will take something you say and he will toss it back out publicly with a whole new patina where it's not quite what you said. And so we've seen this for two years where he'll be like, this person came to me and asked for my support. And I'll be like, that's not really what happened, but there's enough of a kernel of truth that the person then ends up in this weird spider web of unable to get out of what he painted it as. And I think that for people who didn't witness that firsthand and didn't just have a sense of who was trustworthy on the campaign or who was more trustworthy than others, the one thing I will say that was unique about this campaign and that has been unique about the campaign.”

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  43. “Sort of wanting to tear your hair out because if this is not a sofa, but you don't really know how to argue with someone saying that.”

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  44. “Presidential statements. Why would we not pay attention to what he says? But it is for the exhaustion factor to take it back to what you were asking, it is important to start kind of figuring out what the rhythms are. The problem, certainly at my paper, I think it's actually much less so at the Washington Post, is that the people who covered the campaign were just fundamentally different than the people who covered the White House. And so The Washington Post has a lot more people in their White House Bureau who cover covered the campaign. If you did not cover the campaign, you were at a severe disadvantage because you were for the first six months because you were learning how strange this all is. I mean, I remember my colleague then, Ashley Parker is now David's colleague, and she and I were the two main Trump reporters. We did a briefing for the DC Bureau right after the election just to tell them what to prepare for. And people thought I was kidding based on a lot of...”

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  45. “Offentimes. I think that it is much more important for people to just because here's the thing the damage of all of us saying he is going to lose and him winning on media credibility was very real. And so at a certain point, if the tone of coverage is all sort of endlessly shrill, that everything he does is treated as if it's worthy of the same reaction, it's just not. I'm sorry. Like some of these tweets do not need to be treated like other tweets. I don't think we can ignore his tweets. I never understood that.”

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  46. “Actually, gotten a little better at look. I mean, he creates chaos and then he responds to the chaos that he creates, and then we have to respond, half, not have to, but we end up covering both the creation and the response that he does. It's all some self-contained thing. It is all of a piece. Everything David's saying and everything I'm talking about is all about somebody creating his own world, which you really can't do when you are the president because there are just objective facts and everything cannot be wag the dog. And so I think that one of the challenges for us is figuring out how to explain to people, and I was thinking about this again, as David was talking, how to show people that the reality is different than what they are hearing and maybe even seeing. And I think that in our coverage, I don't mean the times, I mean just the broad spectrum of coverage, I think there is way too much telling about Trump and not enough showing. So the tone to explain that. Sure. I think the tone ends up being...”

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  47. “So let's talk about the exhaustion level because I think one of the things you talked about throws a golf ball and you all chase if he says something outrageous. I mean during one week I'd forgotten the outrageous thing they said Monday and I feel sometimes like I can't take a shower because if I get in the shower oh my God what did he just do? So it does create, we're kind of reporters are kind of on the wheel that he creates and does that. How is that? Is that changed or because it seems to never end?”

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  48. “Yes, it's not my focus, really, but it's a focus of other people at the post. We're really interested in the Trump Tower deal in Moscow or the proposal for a Trump Tower in Moscow. The New Yorker had the great story about Azerbaijan that ties to the Iranians through Azerbaijan. That stuff is really an important part of understanding his presidency. It's just not me particularly that does that.”

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  49. “And now, under scrutiny, obviously, are some of his businesses international with Russia particularly? Is that going to be a big focus? I mean, that's clearly a focus of the Mueller investigation. Yes, it's not my focus.”

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  50. “Businesses. I mean, golf clubs. I've learned a lot about Palm Beach and golf clubs and hotels. Yeah, it's really interesting. I mean, they make it, the Trump people make it extremely hard to figure out what's going on with their businesses. So we've done things like try to figure out all the people, the charities who rented out ballrooms and hotel rooms, all the NDA teams stay at his hotels, people that pay him a lot of money and have other choices. Because you think about his businesses, none of it's really necessary, right? He's not like he's selling auto parts, right? He's selling things that you could go, you could find another. It's easy to replace or it's easy to just go without. You don't really need a golf club membership. And so those businesses, it makes it easy for customers to walk away, and they may be doing that now. I think that's a really interesting part of what's changing.”

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