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Marc Short

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first: 2021-12-02
most recent: 2021-12-02
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“Sure. I mean, look, you've said this to me yourself. You said the reason you wanted me to come here is because you feel like there's too much division. It's important for people to see that people cross the aisle can have a conversation together. It's why I want to be here. I think a lot of people share that viewpoint and I applaud you for doing it. I thank y'all for being here tonight. But that's a start. But I also feel like, look, traveling around the country for the last four years, either with the president and vice president, I've seen the American people. And I think that that's not what they want either, David. I think that we have an amazing country with amazing people. And I think that there's no doubt we're in a polarized moment. We've been in polarized moments in our country's history before. We have a great republic. We have a great constitution, and we will survive this moment too. And we will be better from it. I believe that.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Those people were rioters. That was a mob. And, you know, I think when we sit here again on my side of the aisle, and I'm sure this is a more universal opinion, but when we condemn the Black Lives Matter protests and say that those people who destroyed business should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, we have to be consistent. These people were destroying the capital. They threatened physical harm to our elected leaders to any way suggest they shouldn't be prosecuted to folks under the law is in no way consistent. And so I do feel like that is disturbing to hear because those people were thugs. And certainly they should be prosecuted.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that I don't believe that the president ever would have wanted physical harm to come to the vice president or his family, David. I will never believe that. But I also believe that It's hard to hear, to say those people are just expressing their First Amendment rights or those people anyhow patriots.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I called my wife to let her know that we were in a safe place. But look, I think I felt like a lot of people in an anger that this was happening in our capital, that this is not the way our democracy should function. But I was very, I think, proud to be with the vice president because he exerted enormous leadership under enormous pressure. And I think he, again, despite efforts to have him evacuate, he's like, I don't want that visual for the world to see. I'm going to stay here.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the third time they came in, they said, they basically didn't give him a choice. They said, we can't protect you behind this glass door, so we got to move you out of this chamber. And they evacuated him down to a secret location in the bottom of the capital. But even there, their desire was to evacuate. They said, we have a window. We can get out of here. And Penn said, I'm not leaving.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, he said, I'm not leaving. And the reason he says he's not leaving is because he said he did not want our adversaries across the globe to see a 15-car motorcade fleeing the capital. And he said, I'm going to stay here. Did they tell him?”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And David, at that point, I was starved. And so I went to the basement of the Capitol to get a cheeseburger while the vice president is presiding over the Senate because I felt like statutorily it's a two-hour debate. I got two hours. And I was waiting for my cheeseburger when the police came rushing in and said everybody has to evacuate. And so at that point I went from the basement of the capital back up to the Senate chamber. And at that point, they had taken the vice president off of the floor and into the ceremonial office, which is where the secret service wanted to move him. And a couple different times they asked to evacuate the capital. But the vice president...”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They would fall, they're out of order without a Senate companion. In 2004, actually there was a Senate companion in Senator Boxer joined House Democrats. And so we actually went through this process with Dick Cheney presiding over it in 2004. But so we go back to the Senate where if you're vice president, you're president of the Senate. So Pence is presiding.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Way it goes, it goes alphabetically. And so there have been plenty of cases of House members objecting. I will note for David's benefit that the last three Republicans elected president, Democrats have objected to the certification in the House. And so that has transpired. But in this case, you had a Senate match in Arizona. So you adjourned back to your separate chamber.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, on that morning, we had gathered the vice president's residence and kind of talked through the day and finalized a public statement that he put out that I would commend all of you to read because it goes through the rationalizat Despite the pressures, came to the conclusion that he did. When we went to the capital, Secret Service, as you know, takes a different route. So we took a different route. We didn't go down Constitution Avenue. And so were we aware that there were rallies, yes, but we really didn't see much of what was marching down to the Capitol. And so we were at the Capitol probably about noon. And the vice president statement goes out about 1245. At one o'clock, what happens on that day is you start in a joint session. So you begin over in the house side.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it came back for Kennedy. In that case, you actually had a unique circumstance where you had two different slate certified. Nixon says, I think in the interest of the country we should give these votes to Kennedy. He's one. He should go to him. In Congress, are there any objections? Twice he allows Congress the opportunity to object. Congress does not object. He does the magnanimous thing and gives the electoral votes to Kennedy. That's not a historical precedent to say that the vice president has this authority to unilaterally throw him out. And further, there is no separate slates from any of the states in contest or in controversy. There was no separate slate from Arizona. There was no separate slate from Pennsylvania, no separate slate from Michigan or Wisconsin. And so, again, this theory is...”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So that's an important point to make. But in 1801, the challenge was that the electors from Georgia, they had a clerical error on the paper. And Thomas Jefferson said, well, let's go ahead and accept them. Now, of course, he's sitting in the chair and it's his election. And so people may say, well, he shouldn't have been in the chair for that. But there was never a question of where Georgia voted. There was never a question of what one state did or a different state. Georgia was basically saying we voted for Jefferson. There's a cleric there on the paper. So to use that as historical example, that the person, the vice president has this astronomical power to unilaterally choose what electors to throw out is absurd on his face. The second case was Nixon. And that was 1960. And Nixon, at that point, is the first election Hawaii had voted. In Hawaii's first ballot came back for Nixon. They did a recount.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As I say, I think that the president was ill-advised throughout this process. And I think that there's two historical examples that those who Interpret that the vice presidency has this magical power that no vice president has ever used in 250 years of our country and that this magical power, the only examples they can cite are Thomas Jefferson and Richard Nixon So, if you delve into these two examples in Thomas Jefferson's case, it's before the 12th Amendment to the Constitution has been ratified.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Less known, but Greg Jacob was the vice president's general counsel. So, you know, Maybe one day in Chicago you could have a debate between your two alumni back.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But you know, I would take comfort that I think one of the people that was advising the vice president and what his role is, who I think was exceptional in his counsel, is likewise a University of Chicago law school alum.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've been very candid about that. I think the president received awful advice and I think that I think that in many cases some of those people were provided unfettered access. There's been a lot of coverage of one of your own alumni, John Eastman from the University of Chicago, who provided some of those.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Lot of theories, there's a lot of allegations, a lot of conspiracies. I didn't hear evidence. I actually heard that from many senators who would say, I want to be helpful leading into January 6th, but the campaign's not given us any real evidence that we can count on. And I think that I do have legitimate process concerns about what transpired. And I am supportive of a lot of the election reform laws that are happening across our country, but I'm supportive because they're being governed at the state level, which is what they're supposed to be. And we need to trust that if they've certified the election results, that's the process that's in place.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I think that conservatives and Democrats alike have misinterpreted that because when Nancy Pelosi offers H.R. One, I think it intended to federalize elections. But I think we also as conservatives need to respect the state certification process. And they certified the elections. And so we may have concerns about what transpired or how there were new rules made, but we have to trust the states to certify them. And they did certify them. And ultimately, the campaign had opportunities to present their case in court and lost. Ultimately, you have Electoral College that speaks, and it spoke on December 14th. And so I think that those processes are there that allow due process, but the reality was I was anxious for the campaign to provide specific evidence to suggest they'd found fraud.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there was, I think, a lot of concern. And I think that for many of us from a process concern, there's a belief that our founders wanted elections governed at the state level. It's actually in the Federalist papers. They talk about it. They didn't have concern about China, Iran, Russia interfering in elections. They had concern about Great Britain interfering in our elections. And they said it's why we don't want it federalized, because it's all done in DC, it's too easy for an adversary to do it. We want this at the state levels. And so I think as a conservative, that's what you want is the state levels. And I think...”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Um... Feel that there were a lot of concerns that a lot of voters had because it was unusual election for lots of reasons. Conducting an election in the midst of a pandemic, I think created a lot of additional challenges. There was decisions by people I feel unelected. In some cases, they were judges, in some cases there were other officials who unilaterally made decisions to say we're going to extend early voting, we're going to do universal mail-in balloting. And I think that undermined confidence in a lot of people.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Nobody had tests for coronavirus, yet by the time we got out of the administration, we'd conduct over 300 million. Today it's been billions that people didn't have ventilators and American companies stepped forward to produce ventilators out of car manufacturing plants and air conditioning plants. And it's amazing what happened. It's with people at ventilators. And to think that you didn't have just one or two, but actually three vaccinations within a year. And today, half of the globe would have been treated because of American companies, American pharmaceuticals producing those vaccinations. It's actually a fairly remarkable story”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that at that point, David, in the pandemic, the biggest concern in the early months was what are we going to do to make sure that people have the equipment they need? And I think by the end of that period, we had sourced so many things from overseas, and we then had so many American companies who were voluntarily saying, let me turn my manufacturing plant into a plant to produce ventilators. And so we were all of a sudden, we were at a different stage where in the early months, it was like, it was truly a concern and a fear that our hospitals wouldn't have what they needed to treat patients. By that point, it was like, okay, the virus is coming down, but also we're not going to be back at the same point because now we have...”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there are a couple things. One is that you had seen at that time, as you've seen, we've had several cycles of this. And that was like the end of the first cycle. And there were a lot of, it wasn't just the vice president. There were a lot of people, doctors on the task force, believing the same thing.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Go, sure, I think that it changed because I think that the president was far more combative with the media. There's different viewpoints on that style, but I think that in the midst of a public health crisis, there was probably a desire for less combat and more give us the information we need to make decisions.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Then he stopped leading the briefing. Well, I mean, you're asking me to speculate into why the president's team decided he should be outfitting.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think that the vice president was tapped in part because he'd been a governor. And I think that one of the things he would advocate is our job at the federal government is to give the states the resources they need and to inform them. And it's up to the states, in many cases, how they mister that. And so I'm sure there are people here who have different viewpoints of what the role of government should be in that case. Different governors handle different ways. And I think that's our federalist approach. And I think that the vice president also knew that important to any public health emergency is how you communicate it. And I think that he did a very effective job when he was leading the briefings to talk about both what the experts were advising, but also expressing empathy for the future.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sure, but I think even they didn't know they knew pieces of it, but one of our challenges was that China never allowed CDC and other agencies to get inside and study it there when it was first starting. So America was already handicapped in not having access to the real information. And so I think a lot of our best doctors were still trying to catch up and learn about the virus in real time”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it was in phases, to be honest. I think initially, keep in mind that the vice president was tapped to lead the task force February 26th. So at that point, it had started in China at the end of 2019. It had begun to spread internationally. It had come to the United States. It had begun communal spread before he was put in place at the task force. Talking to the doctors at that point, it was pretty clear what their concerns were in seeing how infectious it was.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, COVID was different too. And so, I mean, the magnety of it was different. But I think that there is wisdom in keeping it at CDCH.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it was, you know, I looked back and say, is it the right decision to bring something like that inside the White House? I don't know. I know it's not a fair apples-to-apples comparison, but when the Obama administration faced swine flu, they left it to CDC and HHS to govern. Maybe you have a different perspective, but that's sort of the way history records it. And arguably, when you bring in the White House, it politicizes things. Whether you want it to or not, whether you intend to or not, it automatically does in the way that it gets covered. And so...”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well I felt like that's an assignment that there's no political upside to be candid. And so I felt like it was a treacherous assignment for the vice president to take on. But I think his, again, mantra was he's here to serve. And if that's what he's asked to do, he's going to do it. And so when the president asked him, he didn't equivocate. He said, if that's what you want me to do, I will take on that responsibility. I think that it was long as far as the time that was committed to that. I mean, the White House hours really today with your phones and other electronic devices is 24-7, but certainly intense during the COVID time. And I think that the vice president was able to add a level of empathy to be able to talk to the American.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Again, I've always felt a closer bond with the vice president. I feel like I match up with him philosophically. And I think when you find people like that, I'm sure your personal experience will identify that when you find people that you really feel like you identify with philosophically and temperamentally, it's an incredible joy to get to work for them.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is a sacrifice, but it's also an incredible honor. And I think that to be candid, my kids had a lot of fun in those years Aside that I wish more people were able to see. But President Trump was always incredibly kind to my kids and they were able to come over for when the Washington Nationals won the World Series and be there when the Clemson Tigers won or the LSU. And my boys loved those sports ceremonies. My daughter got to read at the Easter Egg Roll to the littlest kids. And so those were family experiences that were fun. And I think that they were supportive of me doing this a second go around.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I mean, again, I'd like to think I have a certain relationship with the vice president where I've always considered an honor to work for him. And at that point, after the midterms, I probably envisioned there was political peril for the administration. And at that time, Mike's chief had departed. And so there was a vacancy. And he and I had conversations about coming back. It wasn't entirely easy. I mean, I think that for us, I'm blessed to have been married to the same woman for 25 years next summer. We have three kids at home at the time. And so you know personally, it's a big sacrifice. It is.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think that there's a general consensus as to what a conservative is, David, but I also don't think there probably is in the Democrat Party is what a liberal is. So certainly not, not this moment”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I think they gave us the most remarkable form of government in the history of mankind. And I think that conservatives want to protect that. And I think that their debates as to, you know, certainly 250 years later, things are changed, and you couldn't foresee that we would have airplanes. But at the same time, if we go back to what their intent was and keep government limited, I think it creates far more freedom for Americans. Because I do believe as soon as government begins to take over more and more responsibilities, the other part of that equation is it naturally means less freedoms for Americans. And so I believe that the conservatives should be fighting for what our founders gave us and wanting to preserve and protect them.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, they didn't mention airports, Dave, but you're right. I do think it's fair to say there's a government role for infrastructure, but in my preference, I'd rather see state and local governments doing a lot more of that than the federal government So, I think that you were asking me before what is a conservative. In my mind, a conservative is somebody who is trying to conserve what our founders gave us.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A Well, I guess the way that I view it is I think our founders had a very limited view as to what the responsibilities of the federal government are. They definitely.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, sure, if you believe that that's what it did, sure. I do. I think we can all support that you should lift the job generations of out of poverty, but I'm not a believer that the government's actually the one doing that.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Do we have expanded eligibility for people beyond what I think original intent of much of that legislation was? Yeah, I do.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, I mean, look, we can go through the whole list if you want. But yeah, do I believe that in many cases that we've think, government?”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Look, you know, I'm probably in favor of a lot less of a lot of those programs, David, so I wouldn't have a heart permanent about eliminating a lot of those programs.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“that came in in 2018-2019 to the federal treasury they increased Go look it up yourself after the tax cut in 2017, revenues to the federal treasury increase. The problem of our deficit is the spending increased even more. Our country doesn't have to”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I think it's again my point. I think it's one of the reasons they became disillusioned because in many cases that many of the same Republicans that they were electing didn't share the same view of limited government. I mean, look, one of the conversations that I'm sure we'll have is that in the world of what Charles and David were advocating, in a world that I think libertarians fight for, Republicans and Democrats alike are responsible for this enormous deficit that we have. I mean, that's not a one-party problem. Both parties have contributed to massive government spending. And I think that they grew disillusioned in that as well.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I'd say that that's honestly a lot of misinformation. And why I say that is because if you know what Coke actually spends its money lobbying for, they would spend money every year lobbying against their own interests. What I mean by that is they lobbied to get rid of all of the deductions to the oil and gas industry. People don't know that. The media doesn't want to cover that because it doesn't fit their narrative. Their viewpoint was we want a flatter tax code and you shouldn't be picking winners and losers. And so it's for the same reason they would argue we shouldn't be having these tax incentives for electric vehicles either. But they also were the same saying we shouldn't be having these tax incentives for oil and gas companies. So Coke actually spent a lot of money fighting against things that were in their own personal interest financially, David. But I know that doesn't fit the media narrative that they wanted to say, oh, here are these rich guys who are overtaking the Republican Party running Republican politics. I think much of that was just”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think that there would be a lot of reasons. I think, for one, on the policy front on trade, certainly Charles would be a proud free trader. And I think that he was concerned about Donald Trump's positions on trade. I think as well, though, that Charles would look at people and view it as from a lens of, okay, what is the philosophical foundation there? And I think that President Trump tapped into a frustration that was visible in a lot of Republican voters, but probably didn't have the same philosophical underpinnings that Charles was looking for at KNS he supported.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I think the disillusionment started before that, honestly. I think that in many cases that a lot of what we did in the 2014 cycle to elect Republicans, he would travel and talk about its business and his philosophy. And his interviews would always be interviewers saying, well, tell us about taking over the Republican Party. And I think he resented that because that's not what he was focused on doing. It's like, no, we have a bigger purpose in mind. And I think the struggle of getting that message through was a frustrating one. I think by the time he got to 2016, candidly he was already less involved in the Republican politics at that point. But there's no doubt he was pretty vocal about his...”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's been incredibly successful. But as you know, they've retreated from the political battlefield in many ways. And I think Charles perhaps became disillusioned that a lot of the Republicans that he helped elect didn't share his same view for a limited government.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I'd say that Charles is the one who's really developed the company and is a headquarter in Wichita. And I think Charles is a very strong libertarian, and I think he certainly felt that where we were in our country was a larger and larger government. And he wasn't always comfortable partnering with Republicans, but he was committed to saying, what can we do to advance policies that limit the role of government in our lives? And I think I learned a lot by being in Koke industries because there's, again, a certain culture there that fosters an approach of humility, but also a real culture that is a successful one. And I think that took some of that with me in future jobs. But Charles is a visionary in a lot of ways.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Again, I think that there is probably a lot of different rhetoric over the course of the four years, but still I think agreement in many cases on the policy.”
2021-12-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 469 — Marc Short · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source