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Marcela Ot’alora

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first: 2019-11-22
most recent: 2019-11-22
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“That you can, I mean, it's important to read about science and the research about psychedelics, but I think science about something else. I've learned so much about science through people who have done studies with certain animals or certain species or plants, and they've done these studies. And it's like so fascinating to really incorporate that and to really bring it. It just brings some freshness into it that you can say, oh, that makes perfect sense. I'm going to utilize that to understand this psychedelic research.”
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“How to manage it. And I read a scientific journal that said he said science is an organized kind of wonder. And that makes so much sense to marry these two, right?”
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“She's incredible, and she really is this, you know, powerful, powerful woman who can really speak to Honoring people's experience and doing it through, I'm a Colombian, so I really do see things through images and fantasy and those fantasies are actually true. Like my husband doesn't believe me, but some of those things are true, even though they sound like really fantastic. They're actually true. So not just reading about psychology. I just think that's not my path. I just think there's so many other places science. I can't remember who said was so helpful for me in doing research because holding research and holding a person is a real balance. This is a research part. This is a part that I need to do, that I need to treat them all the same. And this is the part that is an individual, right? And it's this balance. And I was having a really hard time with that. I didn't know quite.”
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“We always put poetry that really speaks to what we're trying to say. So like when we're talking about the inner healer, we put up poetry about that kind of speaks to that. And I think poetry is so important because it really does actually talk about some of these experiences about being interdirected about your inner healer, about your compassion, about your love, about where to come from that. So I think it's doing the work. I think Stan Groff's work is amazing and his books are very powerful and so helpful that we can really refer to some of his modality and what he's done in his trajectory of life I think is incredible. People like that. I'm trying to think.”
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“And he combines Buddhism and psychotherapy. And it's really a wonderful combination of being able to marry these two of being present. How are we present with what's happening in the moment? So I think his book is really, really good. And I'm trying to think in terms of, I mean, I think You know, I notice every time that we show, we do trainings or we do workshops, we always put up”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have dyslexia, so I'm really bad with names. So I don't know if I'm gonna remember, but I know Bruce Tift, he is in Boulder, Colorado, and he wrote a book called Already Free.”
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“And even though we don't have the training set up yet for next year, you can still apply and we'll consider those applications. We'll keep them on file and we consider those applications. And like I said, by the end of this year, we'll have the list for next year where there'll be and our trainings are roughly around 54, 55 trainees at a time, and then people will start knowing a little bit better. And in the meantime, gather your team or really look into the maps website and see if there's an existing team that is wanting more people and that you don't want to have five sites in your city. You want to be able to consolidate and be able to say, let's work together if we have a common ground.”
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“You don't have to invent it. You're not alone. There's plenty. And there's a lot of support to learn and to really, you know, there's a new generation coming on. And I feel like they're a little bit in a hurry. And I keep reminding them, like, I've done this for 35 years. I've waited 35 years. You can wait. It's okay. You can wait one more year.”
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“Now, I know CIIS, the California Institute, has a certificate program for research and psychedelics now, and I'm sure that that's going to grow. And I get a lot of emails of people asking me, what do I do, where do I go? And I explore it a little bit with them of what interests them. Maybe I think transpersonal psychology is a great way into it. But I also say take a lot of read articles, find out where the people who wrote those articles are from if you really like those articles, if you feel like, oh, it's like-minded people, where are they? Are they, some of them are professors at universities where, oh, I can go and study with them instead of just going to a university where nobody is knowing about it, but yet you want to be a psychedelic therapist. So where there's other people who are already”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, you know, Maps has a good. Library, right? Like reading a lot of the books there, but also there's some great articles that have been written that you can look through, that you can see people's experiences, people have done beautiful work talking about their own experience and have really shared with others about their process. I know a lot of our participants have done that. And it's such an honor for them to share of themselves in this really, really from this vulnerable places. So I would say really read, read about experiences that people have had, read about researchers writing about it. Educate yourself as much as you possibly can about the treatment that you want to do, about being a psychedelic therapist. And even though we don't have that.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As violently as it did, and that they have sort of tried to question that, try to change the story, and all of a sudden the story can be changed. Here's your story. That's what happened to me that first time. Here's your story, actually. So then how could you possibly, like if you're going through all that, it's not going to be that the next day you're, oh, I'm fine and it's great. It's that it is a process of holding, of really integrating what is happening in the session, of getting to some place where they can begin to hold that experience and be able to hold their feelings and be able to, I mean, healing is about I'm never going to be triggered. Healing is I can get triggered and I can move through it and maybe it's going to take me less time and maybe I'm not going to dissociate and I”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And a lot of times during training, trainees will say, wow, here's the integrative session after the treatment. And people are suffering and people are really struggling and they can feel a lot of activation and they can even feel like even like sometimes their partners say to us, what are you doing to my partner? What are you doing? She is in so much pain. He's in so much pain. If you think about trauma, no matter how much you heal from trauma, if I think about my trauma, it's going to be painful. It's not going to be joyous and easy. It's going to be painful. So bringing up the trauma, really experiencing, sometimes even getting, I think part of the healing that happens with MDMA is people no longer questioning that it happened and that it happened.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. And I do think, you know, I really appreciate stories that go out that the media does about MDMA. And one of the services is that a lot of times they hook on these little words, like it healed me, or I got what I needed and I got cured. So then people think like it's really easy or that MDMA is like this magic pill that's going to really take this trauma away, which is not true And”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you're still on call that night, the evening of their sessions, you're on call, you still make phone calls after their session for seven days. They can call you and say, I need an extra session, or I'm struggling, and you need to be present and go there. So it's a lot more than just the scheduled ones sometimes.”
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“And then we had a conversation about it. And he said his piece, and I said, well, I don't know. I don't know about that. I wasn't convinced. And we worked with it and we worked with her. It wasn't like we got stuck on it. But later on, she was having an interview. Somebody was interviewing her, and she talked about it. And she said, that was so great because it was like seeing these two people who clearly love each other and respect each other, disagree and be okay and continue and still support each other and respect each other is something that I never saw growing up. So it's like so valuable for her if it was done in this way that was genuine.”
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“I don't remember the specifics, but one time I said something to the participant. I'm trying to think what it was. Do you remember? No. And I was going in a direction. I didn't think I was going in a direction, but I was, even though that's what I check myself with, it's like, why am I going in this direction? Are they taking me in this direction? And I thought the participant was taking me in this direction. And he thought the participant was taking us in a different direction. And he was able to say, well, I see this a little bit differently. I'm seeing this differently. And actually, the participant went like, what”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Experience that I'm having. And so I'm definitely not this kind of therapist. I don't know which is better. I'm just not. And I do self-disclose a lot. My clients know that I'm married, my kids, mycotherapist is my husband, and we talk about it sometimes and we say, you know, we're married and things come up in the session sometimes. Like, oh, I disagree with you and we talk through it and they go like, this is so great that we're getting this experience of this reality.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In our phase two study Every time a participant came in, we didn't have a lot of media at the time. There wasn't a lot of stories that had been written about MDMA. Maps was not necessarily known by a lot of people, including some of the participants. They had never even heard of maps. They were just referred by somebody else. And they would come into the room and they would go, wait, you're Marcella? Like they were expecting me to be wearing a white lab coat. And it was really interesting what they were expecting. And I think self-disclosure is very valuable. And it also needs to be done with a lot of care so that it doesn't become about you. And when do you self-disclose and why are you self-disclosing? You know, are you doing it in service of you because you're uncomfortable and you need to do something with this? Or am I doing it in service of my participant to normalize something and to share with them?”
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“Some of the things that he would share would be too much for me. And he said, So, are you going to, what are you going to do? What are you going to feel? What are you going to think of me if I tell you these really awful things that happened and war? And if I tell you these things about myself, like, what are you going to do? Are you going to be okay? Like, are you going to be able to just be okay? And not be faced by that. And I thought, I might have a really strong feeling about that. It might be really challenging and really hard. And I can take care of myself. Okay, I can take care of myself, but it might be really, really hard.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Disciplined ignorance of I'm stepping in and I'm fully here with you without any judgment and who are you in there and how do I begin to know that I can hold that and that it doesn't mean, oh, I know how you feel because I felt that it's not that. I can have my own feelings of I think I know what this feels like because I've had it, but it has nothing to do with what they're feeling. And to put that aside and to know that that's my stuff. And so I think in part is that, and the other piece is that, which maybe relates to that, is if I don't spill over any of my stuff, they see me and they get me, but they don't have to take care of me. And I can even cry and say, I'm so moved by this, and it's okay. So I had like, we had a participant that said to me, he was a little bit worried that”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think the most that we can offer is ourselves. So I think it's when we... Can enter, I think what makes a psychedelic therapist great is if we can enter To their frame of reference. And in order to enter into somebody's frame of reference, I have to leave my interpretations behind. I have to leave my own story behind. I have to leave my own knowledge behind. Have it right there and understand that I can use it. But not letting my knowledge blur my vision, for it not to narrow what is really happening here. So in order to really step into somebody's experience, it's more than empathy. Empathy is part of it, but it's really about I am not at all. I have like”
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“One part of our model and the way that we train is to say it's never to get rid of anything. It's like alchemy. You don't get rid of it. You transmute it, that it gets transmuted. And so it's not about getting rid of anything at all. Even that part of you that is judgmental. So it's not like, at least, like I wouldn't say, oh, but you don't have to judge yourself or anything. It's just like this is the part that is here now, this judgmental part, and being really curious about that part. And why is there? Like, wow, like this part is existing here right now. How has it helped you survive? How have you worked around it? Let's explore why it's here and what it's bringing up in your body and what is making you feel in this very moment.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Really remind them of the commitment. I mean, at some point, maybe you do need to say, well, you know, we're not going to be able to leave, but we're really here with you in this process of you feeling what you're feeling, your legs wanting to move and wanting to run. And where, you know, can I hold your hand? Can I sit beside you? Can we stay with this experience? It will pass. This experience will pass. What can we do in the meantime? What are some of their coping strategies if they really get to a place where they feel like, oh, I need to breathe, can we breathe into that experience and just really be with it and know that it is going to shift, that we're right here with you. So it's about, it's totally okay. And it usually leads to a profound experience of wanting to have run away before, right? It's like a connection to this piece of.”
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“These are the things that you don't have a choice about people with PTSD were not given choices. Choices were taken away. So it's really important to give choice as much as we possibly can. And there are some things that we don't have a choice about because this is research. And so one of them is once they take it, they can't leave the room for eight hours. And how are we going to work with that if you do want to leave the room? Because it's not about you hiding that, but it's about us working with that. How can we work together if you feel like you just want to run away or if you want to go outside and hug that tree? And unfortunately, we can't let you go outside and hug that tree.”
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“And they're coping mechanisms. What are the stigmas that follow them that then creates this place of, I see them as a certain person because they have the stigmas attached to them? And how do I take that away and really see this person in front of me? What is their vision, even if they don't know what it is? What do I imagine that their vision is? So it's really a time to get to know them fully as an individual, as a person, and then to answer their questions and to try to bring as much comfort as possible to explain everything that can be explained. This is where you're going to lay down. You can bring a pillow, you can bring your own stuff. Is it okay if we light a candle? We're going to have flowers. This is what we can do. These are the options. You can say, you don't want to hear the music. It's up to you.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we do three preparatory sessions and during those sessions it's for them to get to be more comfortable with the therapy team and for them for us to also know how do they cope with their experience? What are the things that they have been able to, who have got them here in relationship to the fact that they have all this trauma? How is it that they actually got here and what are their skills? What are they using? So to be really curious about them.”
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“And it's also so painful to hold the experiences of people that have suffered greatly and to really be able to say, I am here completely for you. This is your day and it's about you.”
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“One of the very first sessions that I did was in the study in Spain. That study was working with women from sexual assault. So it was very close to mine, my experience. So it was like, how do I work with this? How am I present? How do I not bring my things in? How do I not dissociate? How do I really honor that I am here for this person and my stuff is not spilling out into them. So that was a challenge. Hearing their stories was so amazing. It's so like when people are in pain and are suffering, they're so real. There's nothing thinking about whether their hair looks like they're not worried if snots coming out of their nose. They're just so incredibly real in that moment and in that experience. So it's beautiful in that sense.”
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“The bathroom inside. They either like see themselves in the mirror, but they're also with themselves. You know, they're not talking and they're getting powerful information that is about them, that is like, here we are. Like maybe we knew this, but now it's becoming clearer.”
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“And if they're inside, they get this amazing insights. They come out and say, wow, I just realized this or I just thought about this. And we noticed that when they go to the bathroom, we call it the bathroom inside, but it's really when they're not talking.”
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“Yeah, I think insights when people go inside and really are not, they're both really important. A lot of trauma caused by another person happened in relationship, right? We relate to the world through relationship is the way we understand the world. So healing also happens in relationship and happens through relating instead of an isolation. So those pieces are really important. And it's also really important when they can go inside our model, we say it's interdirected. It's what comes up for them that is here for a reason and for the purpose of healing. And maybe it's something that they never told you before. And you think it doesn't have anything to do with their trauma or they think it doesn't have anything to do with the trauma, but it does. And so we treat it as though it does and that it is important for them to be with it.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Losing the integrity of the whole program. And so I think that is a concern, but it's also a concern if somebody takes that and changes it completely in a way that maybe it's not safe anymore. So there's a concern about what can happen there. But for us, I think the concern about how are we going to make this affordable and how are we going to continue training people that want to be ready and want that kind of knowledge in terms of hands-on are training shows a lot of videos that are live videos”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The MAPS model. And people might do something else, and it might be fine. I think one thing that concerns me is the cost. So we're really looking into that and thinking about what is this going to be that we can actually, that this can be cost effective? How are we going to treat marginalized people? How are we going to not leave people behind? What is it going to take? And so I think there is room to change the model for that. And how do we do it safely? Do we have some group sessions? Do we have somewhere as practitioners who are training but they are like students and so maybe they don't cost as much if they're working under somebody who is trained and has more experience? And what are some of the things that can be done without”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think I've heard it many times when people say like, oh, I want to become MDMA therapist and I worry about people practicing outside their competency because they think, oh, the medicine will carry it, will carry the session. And I've seen the harm caused by that many times. I've had a lot of referrals into my own private practice where people had a really traumatic experience on a psychedelic because their sitter, somebody who was sitting for them, could not hold that space. Just created more harm. And so to really be aware of that, that being in a non-ordinary state, being in a vulnerable state, you're going to pick up on that and want to know that you're with people that can hold that and that can be there for you. And I think that that movie is so great that we have that access to show what people can do.”
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“I'm so glad you mentioned Sendo because From so many people, I've heard people that we've trained, I've heard this is where I got my best training because it's in the moment and you need to be present for that. You don't know what they took. So it's even, you know, the safety piece is not the same as if you know this is MDMA. You took it an hour and a half ago in this setting. So it really amps that up. I always tell people if they get the message when they take a psychedelic that they should be a shaman, it's a lie.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“a month and then they go through the protocol and they go through the treatment manual and they start talking with each other and saying like what would it take for me to do this and feel comfortable like I'm gonna do preliminary work until I can get into a training or until it becomes something I can do in the future so there's a lot of things to do in the meantime in community in connection with other people who are wanting the same thing and since we have those things online you know we have our protocols online we have our treatment manual online and so they can do a lot of work to begin with yeah”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I see what you're saying. You know, they We don't have any of the scheduled trainings for next year yet, but we will by the end of this year. So I would suggest, and I'll put some at the end of the session, I'll have the website's up. To apply for the newsletter and then to get information and to keep getting updates about when the trainings are and what is required and what are the changes that have happened. But there's also a space where there's other people from different parts of the country and the world that really want to get a site together or are really interested in this work too. And so we've had people that even though we don't know when it's going to get approved, we don't know those things yet. People still want the training and they want to connect with each other. So they get together and they, I've heard people meeting ones.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I hope I understand your question correctly, but in order for them to get to that place of being able to really sit, then they need to have had these things that I've mentioned. They need to have some experience working with trauma and that they're working towards Either licensure or that they're in the process, they're registered or that they're in the process of it.”
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“get this really nice experience right that is right hands on and then the next part is within their sites they do role plays that are then that they can then let us know and they have to write about them and we give them supervision based on what happened in the role plays and the role plays are based on real life experiences and questions come up and things you know like oh i didn't know how to do this or they just get more and more help because they're doing this Of role play, role playing. And then we would also supervise their first participant that they work with. So one of our supervisors would be watching their videos and really extensively as part of our training, we've done that where we looked at their videos and given them feedback. And we're talking.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, great. And so a lot of people have done those, like the people that have trained have done those two parts. And then a part C is when they do, they either have, they do a training that they think would be really valuable to do this work. Somatic is something that I didn't mention. Somatic work is really important because trauma is definitely held in the body and MDMA is very somatic. So sometimes people do those kinds of trainings and that fulfills that part C. And another way that we want to do it is through this MT1 or MT2 where the therapist can come and take MDMA in a safe place and the same way they're going to do it. And so where they maybe can sit for another person doing it as well with one of us.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Program. Our program is a five part. So the first part, part A, is online, is an online course. And then part B is a one-week in-person course, which is the one that you did, right?”
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“It's a really important one. And then also if they're affiliated with an existing site, then there's more probability because the sites when people apply, they apply as a site. So there's at least two therapists or two clinicians who are going to sit. And you do need to have an MD to hold a Schedule I license and then a facility, right? A facility where you can actually do this safely. Set and setting is so important, right? So a place that really feels comfortable where they can be and everybody can feel safe and the participants can feel safe. So those are some of the requirements that we have. We've trained about 500 therapists so far and about 150 of them have gone through the whole certificate.”
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“So, like having a license to be a psychotherapist, to be able to say that you're a psychotherapist. And different states have different requirements for that. So that's what we've done and what we hope to continue doing to do their own work, to have experience with working with trauma, with adults.”
2019-11-22 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #396: Marcela Ot’alora — How to Become a Psychedelic Therapist · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A question about Chaplain C early on, and that could be another one. And then psychotherapists and different clinicians. But they don't have to be licensed. And so they can't.”
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“So, some of that is in the negotiation right now with the FDA in terms of who our therapy pairs can be. One thought is that one of them needs to be a PhD, which I'm totally opposed to because I don't have a PhD. So then I still want to be able to do this work. And I think it's really based on psychotherapy experience, not necessarily if you're a PhD in MD or not. So hopefully that won't be the case. Right now we have it that one clinician is licensed and the other one doesn't have to be licensed, but they still need to have done at least three years of work in a mental health profession. So it could be a nurse, it could be an MD, it could be a psychiatrist, it could be a chaplain. There was some”
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“But holotropic breathwork is one way to really get into an unordinary state in a way that is legal, ketamine is another way. Ketamine work does create that. I think meditation does that. Sometimes certain yoga does that as well. So it's like really being able to say, what is it, what does this actually feel like when my ego is not the most important part? When I'm starting to connect to kind of like I study transpersonal this idea of that we are in relationship to our non-ordinary states, that it is beyond the ego and how can we go there. So to have that experience, I think it's really, really important. And participants ask, you know, they always say, have you done? And there's just a sense of calm for them when you say, yes, I have.”
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“So many of them have said this has really solidified my training. Now I really do feel ready to go and do it. So that's great. And we have the other part of that, MT2, which is what we want to continue when we do trainings with people to give them. And it's in the FDA right now. It's in negotiations with the FDA for that study. So I think that is great and I hope we can. We are able to continue that work.”
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“Yeah, well, I wanted to say a couple things about that. So we do have a study currently called MT1, which Rick mentioned briefly this morning. Was that this morning? Yes. He said, he talked a little bit about MT1. So MT1 is a study designed for the therapists themselves to have the experience of MDMA. It's a five-day process. They come for a preparatory session. Then they have a treatment session, an integrative session, a treatment session, an integrative session. And one of those two treatment sessions is a placebo, and the other one is full MDMA. And so the therapists get the experience not only, you know, some of them have had MDA before in a different context, sometimes even recreationally. But this feels different. Because it's exactly the setting that they're going to be in. There's two therapists, there's music.”
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“So, I think PART's work is really important. Familiarity with non ordinary states. It's hard for me to think of being able to do this work without having had some experience yourself of an unordinary state. Because it's hard to explain, right? It's hard to explain what it does.”
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“I see it every single time that, especially in MDMA sessions, that parts come out. And it happens really naturally. And I think we all have parts. And people always say like, oh, where does that come from? But we all have parts. People always say like, oh, a part of me wants to go to that party and a part of me doesn't want to go. That's a part. not necessarily that you need to study internal family systems but have knowledge of multiplicity parts show up the inner healer is a part and when do they show up and how do we how are we really present with that maybe the part that shows up is five years old and if it's five years old we don't want to talk to them like they're 40 you know we want to be able to be sensitive to the fact that this is a five-year-old part what do i need to do to connect to this part”
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