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Marcela Ot’alora

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  1. “Yeah, and I'm not Hakomi therapist, but I think Hakome, when I have seen people who have studied Hakomi, they are following. They are tracking what is it that is coming from the participant, what is it that they are needing, and how do I trust them to really give me the information, to be able to support them. So I think Akome is one of them. Internal family systems is too. Mostly because”

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  2. “So it's not like this hierarchical model, it's more like can we meet somebody at this level together and collaborate and create trust and empower them to be able to understand and to know where their path is and to really respect that path and to feel that our own experience of ourself, that there is room our reality makes room for the reality of another human being, that there is room to accept that reality. So I would say that you can start there. So there's some therapies that are good, you know, humanistic therapies and client-centered therapies that you could study, but also that there's a lot of work that you can do on your own.”

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  3. “Therapies or modalities that honor the person as the expert of who they are. Because no matter what, you know, you can be poor and you can be uneducated. You're still the expert of your experiences and who you are. So no matter who you are, and I say that just because so many people take away those rights of people who are marginalized. to study and be around and read about honoring the human being as they know more about their healing than anybody does and can we respect that and approach that one of the principles for our training is that we believe in their capacity for self-direction and for their own development and that we also believe that they”

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  4. “I think the first part is do your work, do your own work, really understand. You are how your experiences have shaped you, how comfortable you feel with your own suffering. When I do trainings, I tell people the only way to not be afraid of someone suffering is if you're not afraid of your own. And to do that, we have to know and have done our own work. So I would say that that would be a really important one because psychedelic work is not easy. And we do experience a lot of trauma in the room that comes out in various ways. And also to pay attention to”

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  5. “And so those kinds of information are really great for when you work with somebody with trauma. So I would say that that has influenced me the most.”

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  6. “And I read a lot about artists. So there's different artists that have written about how to be an artist. And I think what it is is that they're very genuine and they talk about themselves in a way of this is where I come from. This is the struggles that I've had as an artist. This is where I go. And so it's so informative to do this work, I think. Agnes Martin is one of my favorite artists, and she wrote extensively about how she came to her work. And she was very private, an introvert. I tend to be the same way. So there was a lot of things that resonated with me about her. And, you know, she had this idea that About perfection, that was really beautiful. Like she said. Perfection doesn't exist in the world, but the reason why we're so attached to it is because we can't imagine it.”

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  7. “Claudio Narango, who died recently, he was definitely, I resonated a lot with the way he did the work. And so he was one of my heroes. And I tend to look for Books and writings, not through psychotherapy so much. I read those sometimes, but they feel like work. And so I think a lot of the inspiration comes from Arwaco Indians in the mountains of Colombia, the way that they approach life through psychedelics and their healing, the way they heal. So their stories are very powerful to me. I lived very close to them for a year before I came to the States.”

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  8. “And so I thought we're really far away from that. I couldn't imagine that it would ever happen, that you could be, that there was a potential of being a psychedelic psychotherapist. But I was determined that I wanted to work towards that. And it took me a few years. I went to graduate school for art and taught some more and then went back to school so that I could”

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  9. “I think because of my own suffering and having had quite a bit of therapy before then, I did have therapy before that experience. And it just didn't work that much. It wasn't very helpful. I had a diagnosis of schizophrenia. That was like the first diagnosis I had. And I think it was that I realized that so many people could not understand trauma, could not understand the symptoms of trauma. So I thought like, wow, it actually saved my life. I felt like It was just something that was giving me this opportunity. And I was an art teacher at the time. And I just thought, like, I really want to do this. I want to do this for other people. I want to be able to help other people. Rick started MAPS a couple of years after that. So he and I did our work the year before MDMA was criminalized in 1984. I was 25, 26.”

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  10. “Of understanding what was going on, and I think some of what was going on was That I looked at that for the first time I could look at it, I wasn't looking at trying to make sense of the trauma. My symptoms were completely appropriate for what had happened in my life. It wasn't crazy, it was completely appropriate. And it gave me freedom. It gave me freedom to explore some other things and to think like, wow, maybe I do have a say in how I live my life. And I started, you know, I started trying little things of testing that while I was in those days afterwards. So I started this a day without learning. Like I wanted a whole day without learning anything. Could I do that? And a day where I said no to everything. So testing disability to have some say about my life. So that was what it was like. The days after that.”

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  11. “That's a good question. I think I did it three times, maybe within the course of a month or two. I was very fortunate because I was able to stay in Rick's house. So I was sort of like a secluded place for me to be before I had to return to my life. And I was able, I read a lot and I read and I tried to capture what had happened. Sort of like this idea of a lack of self-consciousness that had happened. And I think up to that point, my self-consciousness was all about fear. and not belonging. And here was like there's this lack of self-consciousness. It's okay. It's okay if you cry. It's okay if you laugh. It's okay. And I think that Rick provided that too. Like I could be alone. I could dance around. I could eat. I couldn't not eat. I could just be. So it allowed me to just Began a process of”

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  12. “It was about totally being okay with whatever came up. Like I couldn't do it wrong. And I think, you know, you said that to me in the green room, you're like, you can't do this wrong. And it was just like so helpful of it's okay to be you, right? It's okay to be who you are. And so I felt that. And it was like, wow, there's this person that has rights. I felt like all my rights had been taken away. So I had rights for the first time in my life. I had an inkling of it that I had rights and that I mattered and that there was somebody in there that actually didn't have trauma somewhere in there”

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  13. “Yeah, so I did MDMA with Rick. And a couple of other people, and they held the container. And it was like... I saw myself for the first time.”

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  14. “Self administered, yes. So then a mutual friend of Rick's and I. Asked Rick if he would do MDMA with me. And I think what it was too was that even though it was a really traumatic experience, I also knew that there was something really powerful about the fact that I couldn't lie anymore.”

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  15. “And I wasn't ready for that. I thought it was just going to be, oh, this is going to be something great. It's going to feel good. You're going to feel good. And it was the opposite. It was really challenging. And I was not in a safe environment. I wasn't with people who could really hold that, who could understand it. And it was more like fear. Oh no, what is happening to this person? And so I knew that. Like I knew that it wasn't safe. So it made it worse. And I ended up in the hospital. And then a friend.”

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  16. “I was in Boston. For a little while outside of Boston. So I really wanted to come back, and I came back. It was really hard. I was alone. Didn't have money, didn't have this little scholarship to go to college. So I started, I think part of it was that I thought if I left, the traumas would go away. Like that I somehow would surpass it. And if I could forget about it, it would be gone. And so I think that was my thinking. And of course that doesn't happen. And I lived six years with a lot very restricted, didn't really talk to people. It was just really difficult and my world was pretty small. And then I had never done any kind of drug ever. I had not even smoked pot. And I took MDMA recreationally for the first time. And what I did was it brought back everything.”

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  17. “It was like Dick and Jane and Spot It made me want to come to the States. They had back doors where you didn't have to lock it and they had cookie jars and it was great. And so it just matched the town that I ended up in.”

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  18. “So I ran away from home when I was 17 and ended up in the streets. So I was homeless for a while, which was probably one of the hardest experiences. I ended up with the wrong crowd after that and spend a year in a really abusive situation. And then I decided to kind of find a way to escape. So my escape was to come to the United States. I had been here when I was 12 and I loved it. It was one of those experiences where, you know, like when you have all these expectations of a place and you think it's going to look like this or it's going to be like this and it never quite matches, well, it matched. And it was when reading Dick and Jane books, you're too young for it.”

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  19. “Yeah, I started maybe when I was around 12 and I, it's kind of like what I asked for my birthday every year to go spend time there and play cards and talk to people. And I think it was where I felt seen. I think I came, you know, I grew up in a country where civil war started when I was born practically. It wasn't safe, and I saw a lot of things happen because of the war on drugs and just the danger of the city where I grew up and my family of origin wasn't safe. There was a lot of abuse, and so it was like I could be with people who didn't care about that. Yeah.”

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  20. “Or I hope somebody tells her or something like that. But my mother worked at the mental health hospital and I used to love going there and playing cards with all the inmates. It was something that I really where I felt safe actually. And so there was this man, his nickname was phosphorito, which means little match. He was a paramaniac. And he asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. And I told him, and he was the first person ever who said, wow, do you mean like one of those red fire? It was fabulous.”

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  21. “Usually like dogs Part of the team, and you could, and it was just like you could literally block a road. You had that much power. You could just block a road. And what was interesting is that a lot of people, when I told them that they would say, do you mean a fireperson? I said, no, a fire truck. And everybody thought it was either like, oh, poor thing, like, oh my God”

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