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Mark Warner

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“Or to retrain or just take that for a second, and particularly low and moderate skilled people, because those are the going to be the folks who are most susceptible to AI, to globalization, to robots. And so you want something radical. You want something that would... Turn this whole equation on its head. And you made the mention earlier, right now, if you go out and spend $5,000 on a robot, you get an R&D tax credit. That robot's an asset you can put on your balance sheet. You can brag about it. You can depreciate it. You spend $5,000 on human beings.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For every dollar you make, some portion of that dollar ought to be set aside for a benefit bucket. That bucket ought to attach to you? It ought to be portable. It ought to be able to, if you have three different jobs at the same time, you ought to get three different income streams coming into you, and there needs to be a new social insurance system. And whether that is run by worker organizations, the private sector, the government, we ought to experiment. But the old school notion, we're the only industrial country in the world that says the only folks are going to get benefits are full-time W2 employees. That is yesterday's news, and we need to move past it. Second, to this point you made about what DiBlasio had said and others. Every company says, my most important asset are my workers. Yet, nothing in our tax code or accounting system or reporting system would incent any business on a rational basis to invest in human beings.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Help US workers. First thing, I think we need to acknowledge that the old 20th century model where you went and got a job, you worked in the same job forever, my dad worked for the same company 38 years, never made a lot of money. But with that job came levels of security. Benefits healthcare, retirement, unemployment workman's disability, that's gone. Third of the workforce today. In 2019 isn't gig part-time, independent contractor, no matter what we call it. I think we ought to have a system that says no matter what kind of work you do.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The election. Great, great question. Thank you. I'll try to do this as quick as I can. Ironically, if we simply relitigate healthcare infrastructure, traditional tax code, and we suddenly think that all these guys and gals I work with are going to have a change and suddenly see the other sides ideas and agree, and even Democrats win in 2020 that everything's going to get fixed overnight. I don't buy that. I think that we almost need to step back and recognize, and I say this is a capitalist, I say this is somebody who's benefited from the system, but the level of economic angst and the level of uncertainty, when you have leading figures like President Trump and Bernie Sanders who kind of represent, you know, let's throw out the system, I got to say, modern American capitalism hadn't working for enough people. So I'm not sure I go down the exact path that Bernie or Trump would go, but let me give you three things that I think could actually...”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I also, to your very point, is that's fine if they gave you an attaboy. If you're not actually then moving legislation, the Attaboy can turn into Dobroda.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We have had ongoing conversations with Twitter. We need to have it again at the CMO senior level. Sundar came in and I think Google realized they apologized that they'd screwed up when... They didn't want to show up. I mean, these guys notion that they can punt. We are slow in Congress, but we're not going away.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So soon, I think we could see privacy get out of a committee this fall. And then I think the ability to kind of add on these other items becomes a really...”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think part of it is the notion of like, okay Playing ropotope with Congress Is going to come back and bite him at the end because by the time we actually was Progressive and aggressive six or nine months ago is now yesterday's news because umpteen other jurisdictions have already moved further.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Or I'll get back to you. It feels different. It feels a hell of a lot different than it did a year ago and even six months ago. I just think”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Go ahead. A number of times. One, I wanted him to hear from some of these other centers who've not been active in this. That they got exactly the same concerns, even though they're not voicing them. And I think he's listening. I think that there is a And understanding on some of these things, particularly, for example, I think he was very forward leaning around authentication and identity validation. But the problem sometimes is you have that dinner. Then you go back into what's negotiated, what bill you can put your name and say Facebook supports it, there's sometimes a break there.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I've let Blumenthal acknowledge the other five. I'll let them acknowledge or not acknowledge. One, you know, embarrassing temptation.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's not that soon, but it's not Washington soon in terms of, well, when the Democrats win after 2020, that is, I think the pressure on privacy. I think the legislators, senators who are negotiating that have done a really good job on their way down the line. Speaking of which of which”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Other ways that privacy legislation, I think will move soon. Then if I can add these transparency items on top of that, that might give us a regime that we could significantly move the market. But I am very much saying if that doesn't work, then we've got to look at another option.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I could make a case on each of them, but I'm not going to speculate which one. I am going to say that, again, wearing my optimism hat.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, what Facebook makes in a quarter. So, yeah, let's put this in some perspective. I'm glad These organizations are raising these issues because I think that puts really healthy tension. on the companies and candidate us in Congress.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, the idea on Facebook where they. Yeah, I call it parking. Austin Powers. Remember Austin Powers was like $1 million. $5 billion. Well, you know, less than the Democrats on the panel thought that. Yeah.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All the FTC has been woefully toothless. I mean, the idea on Facebook where they whacked them on Cambridge Analytica, a $5 billion fine, you know, $5 billion. I feel like remember Austin Powers was like $1 billion. $5 billion. Well, you know, that's less than the Democrats on the picture.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We got to reassess. Some might say that too. I mean, you have Megan Del Rheim at the Justice Department who's looking at, I think, at Google and Apple, not necessarily Apple for breakup, but around the App Store regulation around the App Store. You've got the FTC. I just had one of the commissioners in here looking at Amazon and Facebook. Is that enough? I mean, because the FDC is woefully underfunded. All the FCDC is...”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, so you think that's enough. No, I'm not saying I don't know. I am saying let's try that. And then we ought to reassess”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What I'd like to do is I'd like to try these other tools around transparency. Get through the questions on portability. I think data portability interoperability, having consumers know what their data is worth, recognizing whether you're talking to, being talked to by a human versus a bot, nothing you get rid of bots. I am just saying there ought to be some.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And if Not going to be a chance. There's not going to be a chance for your competition. So talk about that competition issue because it's really, Senator Warren started off, I think, most prominently, but there's been talk about this before, and we've been here in Washington before with Microsoft. There was AT&T, all these tech companies. You are not averse to it, but you're not...”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and again, I'm still open to the breakup, but I'd rather try these transparency tools first, which I think are also pro-competition tools. If we've got data portability and interoperability, NUCO could come in and potentially compete. But then we get into these areas like, I'm not sure we're going to go here this morning, but Libra in terms of the... Huge issues there, particularly when Facebook says, oh, this is just an association, yet the only... Cryptocurrency wallet they will offer will be their own product. And if you distribute that through Facebook and WhatsApp and others, there's not going to be a chance. There's not going to be a chance for your competition.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No validation process of what may be being pushed or if it's being pushed by humans versus bots, their own standards of care. Like Facebook says, they have an obligation to take that down. I don't think they'd police that near enough. On the other hand, what also Holly is at, and as well as a lot of Democrats, is they are at, these guys are just too big, let's break them up.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He's on the bias. I've seen no evidence of bias, and then the companies are biased towards making money. So they want to give you product. If you lean left, they're going to give you more left. If you lean right, they're going to give you more right. And the fact that they have virtually kind of”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Has at least put some ratings not perfect But not bad. There are areas like Finra and others that are in the financial sector where there's first level regulation, this kind of industry standard, then you got to back up in terms of the government. There's tools out there we could try, but we got to start that debate in a healthier way.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think, at least in this country, you may have different rules abroad. Again, I think if you have to own your content because you do get into a much sketchier areas if you're suddenly saying, if we do get rid of 230, who's going to be the regulator of what speech? There are models out there. And it's not, again, completely analogous, but the film industry.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that piece care is one of the things where I think there's almost been like the emperor has no clothes. I actually think the amount of manipulation that goes on in digital advertising and fake number of followers, if the CEOs actually understood that oftentimes the marketers don't want to acknowledge they're not getting as many eyeballs and it kind of goes through the whole food chain. There's just this effort to try to keep that.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would be curious if any. Making some radical comments. It's happened, I think. I'm trying to think what comment. It was Nike. It was one of the companies where there were bots. It's been used, even though a lot of this stuff is focused on politics. It's being used on business.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Will probably be less explosive in politics and much more in business. You got a deep face of the chairman of the Fed, Jay Powell, saying something that's not true. If you suddenly, I would be curious if any of the CEOs of these companies were suddenly a deep fake appearance where they're making some radical comments.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Story got so much following was because it was about 10 to 1 foreign-based bots driving the story. All the story too. So if you had some egregious effort, for example, we saw recently kind of a rudimentary effort where there was that video of Pelosi where she looked drunk and all they were doing was slowing the video down.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, if there was, frankly, I think you might have more action already if the American public fully understood how much manipulation is going on. The example that's out there that I cite sometimes that's easy and tangible for people to understand, back on the debate about the NFL players kneeling before the national anthem, I don't care whether you thought the players were jerks or the players were exercising their First Amendment rights. Plenty of documentation, not from our committee, but outside experts. That the reason why that”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and that's again where there's this healthy tension. You can geofense, but you don't want to end up with a totally non-international internet. So I acknowledge these are tough things, but the notion that the status quo and the wild, wild west is going to continue, it's not, one of the things I've told the platforms are, you know, you guys are living on borrowed time. We are one event away.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that was in France, wasn't it? Well, no, I think it's in the European Union. I think it's those countries. And so they're capable of doing that, of essentially geofencing the world in some way.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just not going to cut it. Right. So with identity values, which I think is among the most important, I've always thought anonymous here in this country, at least. Of course, you could change it from, they could do different things, such as just they do different things from country to country already. It's just more expensive and it's more difficult. And interestingly, This is a separate thing, the right to be forgotten ruling in Europe. Now it's been pulled back, so they only have to.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Listen, these are global companies that originated here in America, got all the benefits of being in our marketplace, now somehow act like they feel they have very little responsibility back. That's just not going to cut it.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And Facebook actually has said they would be willing to fully lean in. Now their whole idea was around identity validation to start with known community. Twitter obviously has the opposite model. But I think these are the kind of... Yang and yang, different ends of the swing set, whatever you want to call it, identity validation and validity versus the 230 debate. And just one quick point here. I do recognize, as some of the listeners may say, well, identity validation in the US, so if you have to own your hate speech, you may think twice may make sense, but identity validation, if you're a political organizer in Egypt, is a thornier question.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which, for example, Estonia has already made that movement around identity validation because they had so much outside influence. You might need less movement on 230. Because if we're trying to think, how do we at least slow or make people think a little bit?”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think starting off in the, you know, and Ron Wyden was the driver of that legislature, I think it was the right thing back then. But the idea of then versus now, 20 plus years later, we're 65% of Americans get either some or all of their news from Facebook and Google. And they do provide a curation role there. I think we need to reexamine. And this idea that Section 230 is this bright line, you know, Baloney, Congress is already. prohibited you. Child pornography, sex trafficking, bomb making, where we land on 230, that is, I think, a fair debate. I would put the 230 straight content Conversation, which again, by the way, UK and Australia have already moved on. Kind of in tandem with the whole question around identity validation. So if someone had to own their content with their real identity,”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. The ability to move your email. That will be a piece of legislation that we're going forward. I think we need to get into the question of having the right to know whether we're being communicated with by a human being or a bot. Easy to say, hard to actually put in process, but that would get at least informing Americans on how much they ought to believe in terms of what they read. Who they're talking to? And then there's, we'll come to section 230. And I think the section 230 debate and section 230 was the rules that were made back in the late 90s that basically defined these platform companies as having no responsibility for content. They were in effect dumb pipes analogous to telco.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Before I was in the wireless industry for a long time, started Nextel, but some of your listeners may recall when it was the old days when it used to be a real pain in the neck to move from one telephone company to another till we had number portability. I think we need data portability. If we're tired of Facebook, let's move all our data, including your cat videos, to a new site easily. But if you can have data portability, you also got to have interoperability so you can still talk to the people back on the old site. Email is.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Then when you know people may go to that next step, but also there may be a company that says, aha, in between this Karis data and Marx data, there's enough spread there that if I can take a piece of this, maybe I'll provide you that security that you don't have. Next one, and I say this, I was a telecom guy for years before.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's an Americans are cheap dates. To the internet companies, there's nothing free here. Right. When they say Facebook, Google, they're free. They're not free. Right, no. They're making the best trade. They're making the best trade in history. So we ought to have that ability to have it easy, and we ought to be able to then know what it's worth. And then get...”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And pull it in. We think there ought to be an industry-regulated group that would be first and then an FTC backup. Narrow but important piece of legislation. I got a bill with Josh Hawley that would say, we ought to know what data is being collected from us and how much it's worth. They say that they do that already. They don't.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Privacy is the area where pretty much across the board everybody agrees. I think ought to be added to this. Number one, got a bill with Deb Fisher, Republican Center from Nebraska, that says that, and your audience would get this more than most, the dark patterns, the way social media uses manipulative tactics to try to get your data without you knowing it. The notion of you go to some site and you say, you either say yes or you can't say no, you say learn more. Or you can never find the unsubscribe button. There's a whole host of tools that are used. And we think...”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Including the tech companies at least say they agree. Is we got to have some rules around privacy. You know, we got the European model, we got the California model. There is a bipartisan group that's working on this. I think they're most of the way there. I think the big question becomes federal preemption. Will the federal standard”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. Well, Holly and I have a piece of legislation. Let me start it a different way. The area where I think everybody agrees.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're here with Senator Mark Warner. We've been talking about obviously the big news in Washington is the impeachment hearings, but one of the most important things is following up on everything that happened in the 2016 election and also a larger question of regulation of social media companies and all tech companies. Talk about where we are. You're just saying the ceiling is, that's a great way to put it. The ceiling has become the floor. Talk about that because there is no regulation to speak of. I was at an event last night and someone was like, what do you think of the regulation of the internet? And I was like, what regulation? There's Section 230, which has been debated whether they change it in Josh Hawley's, who you explains, let's start with Section 230. You and Josh Hawley, who wants to do something quite drastic.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And all will be hunky-dory. That's just crazy. There's got to be rules of the road. There have never been companies of this size and this power that haven't had some level of oversight. And I think there's a beginning to be a recognition from the platform companies that it's in their own self-interest. Because if we, as we have already, deferred privacy to Europe with GDPR and now increasingly in California and other states, if we've gone content to the UK and Australia, as we think about some of the bills I've got around data portability, interoperability, data and its valuation, some of the questions around dark patterns. The old ceiling is going to become the new floor.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, listen, I think that they messed up. I think the US government was asleep at the switch. I think we'd not really, this was kind of asymmetric warfare, we were not up on our game. 2018, we got a lot better. Partial that was because we were better prepared. This is one area I'll even give Trump some credit on. He basically allowed our government to be a little more offensive rather than simply being defensive in terms of using some of our cyber tools. I think the level of cooperation between particularly Facebook, Google, Twitter. And USG has gotten better, but the notion that these guys are going to self-regulate.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So it wasn't news up. So when you have to look at the assessment of the stuff related to social media, which you were looking into strongly in this area, and you demanded ads, you were disappointed by some of the response by tech companies, how do you assess where that is now? Because you can say noticed they messed up. That's really essentially, is that the conclusion? Then we move on.”
2019-09-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT