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Matt Goodwin

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first: 2024-10-18
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“Not at all. I never justified criminality and violence, but I did want to spark a national conversation about how the social contract is breaking down. And I'm going to keep doing that.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you're in my shoes, say what you like. If you're in my shoes and you've watched, People serious professors be thrown out of universities because of their views. Or you've had interview after interview like this where it's been interesting, but you've also taken a particular line to try and kind of box me into the sort of world view of Marine Le Pen or the table. Marine Open. I think, well, listeners can decide for themselves. What I think SubStack allows you to do is communicate directly with people about what you think with no interference and no middleman.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean that you can't be cancelled. You can't be sacked. You can't be harassed. You're your own boss. And look, Nick, if you're in my shoes.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think you can have an enormous amount of influence in the national conversation by doing that. And to be clear, the reason I set up the subst is it's the only place where you can be fully insulated from legacy institutions, both professionally and financially.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because that's in your recommendation. I don't understand why this interview has become about Enoch Powell. This is reflecting the way the media class view these debates. It's a very bizarre interpretation. Most people in this country would agree with what I'm saying. The borders are broken. We have the levels of migration are too high. Law and order is not being controlled. The prisons are not working. These are majority views. What you are trying to do is stigmatize somebody. I'm trying to put you in criticism raised by somebody the conservative parties around the world. Why not reference a Republican?”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You said we're not editing this in the important thing because this conversation is actually reflecting why so many people are frustrated because what you're trying to say through that.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's interesting. I don't want to make this personal like other people in the university class, but the person you referenced is a good example of what I've talked about. People in the universities have gone so far to the left that what they now do is they stigmatize anybody who challenges the elite consensus in this country by saying, oh, well, that person is another XYZ. Actually, as I said to you, everything I've said in this interview. Let's lower migration. That's a 67% position in this conversation.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know, we'll see, but everything I've said in this interview. We should lower migration. We should work harder at integration. We should potentially have a pause on this experiment that we're subjecting the country to. These are all majority views in this country. What frustrates a lot of people is that they are presented as being radical outliers. But actually everything I've said here reflects the average voter. My background.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the conversation in this country needs to change and if people want to join others who are trying to change a conversation and bring different views into the arena then they can get behind those people and support them.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To thrive in this society, and you want them to change? No, I want them to be trusted. This is a really important point. Public trust in these institutions is collapsing. There is a reason for that. People can see bias. They can see two-tier approaches to our conversations. Now, what I'm saying is, well, if you're going to run what I would consider as an academic to be a very political video, which is let's get into white privilege, which is drawn from critical race theory, it's not scientific. It's not backed up with evidence. You should on the same page run a video. What are the problems with this? But you don't.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's not just mine. Listen, let's be clear. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. I want organisations like the BBC and the police.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Having this conversation. You know, Nick, it doesn't. And I made it on literary 10 years. You know it does. I get called the truth about it. Like most public, in most public organizations, the primary focus is diversity in terms of race, sex and gender, not diversity in terms of politics.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm thinking of earlier generations, but I'm thinking about the forgotten majority in this country who look at, let's say, coverage that is telling them that going out for a walk in the British countryside is racist and they're looking at this and saying this is absolutely bonkers.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It depends how people in the country identify themselves what I'm trying to say is that we have an ideology in this country that is particularly embraced by members of the elite class, that is actively invested in undermining who we are. No, you've had a good culture, but for not being revealed.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, we've got 132,000 coming illegally every year. Yes, we have asylum seekers coming from Muslim countries. We should be protecting genuine asylum seekers while making it clear that illegal migration is not acceptable. Nick, and if you want more children dying in the channel and more people coming over on the small boats flouting the British people's sense of fair play, then let's keep the status quo. That's not sustainable. But every time somebody suggests an alternative, like leaving the ECHR and reforming the Human Rights Act, which are the only two things you can do to basically solve this problem, everybody has a moral spasm. And they said, well, we can't do that.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Look I think every nation state has a right to protect their own borders and lower migration. That is fundamentally the right of every sovereign nation state. I think Lot of people coming into the country, and Britain, I think they're good people, but I think that we are also leaving ourselves susceptible to bad actors who are coming to undermine our society and commit crime. So even if they're refugees from terrible...”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I tweeted that. I didn't write it in my sub stack. But what the point I was making was... There are countries in the world that have taken a very different approach to our own who have said that fundamentally they're going to prioritize their values, their culture, their history, their identity. They don't want those things being diluted or overturned or rejected by organizations.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But you've already associated me with Marine Le Pen. There are lots of left wing politicians who would agree with me. David Cameron said much the same. Multiculturalism has failed. Angela Merkel said much the same, Nick.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Controversial blog post in Hungary. Lots of, well, is this the guilt by? This sounds like guilt by association. I happen to write a blog in Hungary.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, first of all, I think that's an inflammatory suggestion. There's not one that I would support. I think we need a completely new approach to integration. We need at least a minimum of speaking English, mixed schooling. I think we need a really honest conversation about how we can put our traditions and cultural history and ways of life ahead of radical minority interests. Understood.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you go to places like Burnley, Olden Rochdale Rotherham, where, of course, we saw the tragic case of the grooming gangs, where again the rioting and the protesting was particularly severe, and I don't think that's a coincidence, you have communities that are not integrated.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I just recently finished reading Ed Hussein's book Among the Mosques where he turned up randomly at 200 mosques across the country and he made the point he said you can be a young British Muslim now and you can live your life day in, day out and have zero interaction with somebody from the non-Muslim majority and Ed who's saying you know very prominent respected scholar thinker intellectual if you go to the”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think, as I say, I think we need to work much harder at integrating communities that are clearly not integrated. I'll tell you one book that had a very hard harder.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think we need to work much harder than we're currently doing at getting British Muslims to integrate into wider British society.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we need to expand social media. Why are we investing in British kids? Why aren't we investing in British kids to take up medical places? Because we turned down thousands every year”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think like the German centre right have just said we probably need to seriously think about whether we want ongoing migration from countries like Syria and Afghanistan given the very obvious security risk that is presented as we've just seen in Germany. I think we need to have a much more mature conversation about immigration. You've asked me what I want to see. I haven't been able to answer it. Lower migration to below 100,000 a year, ring fence migration for the NHS slash all non-essential low-wage low skill migration. Have a serious government strategy for integration, actually start investing in integrating communities so they cannot be segregated and we cannot have people in this country living parallel lives and not doing basic things like speaking English and also being able to critique this broken policy of multiculturalism which the moment you leave the M25 Nick and go beyond the M25 it's pretty obvious to everybody in this country it's not working well”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It won't come down to 200,000 this year. If it comes down to 200,000 this year, I'll come back on the show and eat my book. That is not going to happen.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They liberalize the entire system. That was only one part. They liberalized the entire system. Salary thresholds came down. Sorry, Nate, you're wrong on that. They liberalized the entire system. They lied to the British people. Every government pretty much from Tony Blair onwards has said they're going to lower migration and then done the opposite. This is why I'm asking why people get to get to that.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The first thing to say is I would actually like to see what people in this country were promised, which is a high skill migration policy, with lower overall levels of migration. Now, Boris Johnson and the Conservatives decided to lie to the country. That's basically what they did. They did the opposite of that policy. Meanwhile,”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You turn my point into another point. We should dramatically lower the amount of immigration into the country. That is point one. Number two is”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, migration that doesn't directly support the National Health Service and perhaps some migration that doesn't support social care. But if you look at the migration that we've had over the last four years, had about 4% of our entire population come in the last two years, had about 4 million people come into the country. Much of that has been either low skill, low-wage migration, which is why, by the way, our GDP per capita is so weak. And it's also been migration that isn't actually contributing to the economy at all.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think what would be the best course of action would be to freeze all non-essential migration from outside of the NHS so we have an immediate freeze maybe for five years. We completely”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Came out and said, We've got a problem with multiculturalism, nobody could handle it. They had a moral meltdown, a panic, saying, well, God, we can't possibly say this has failed. And so all of those things have made me realize, you know what? This isn't working. We cannot sustain this pace of population change with no integration strategy while also bashing people over the head by saying you're a racist if you ask questions. So I started to speak out about it.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The reality of what's happening in Britain over the last 15 years. When I was doing a lot of that work in the late 2000s, early 2010s, I was seconded to a government department working on issues around integration. I thought it was still just about possible with net migration levels at around 150,200, that we could just about continue to be a prosperous, healthy society and absorb that level of change. What I've seen over the last 15 years, net migration go to 700,000, much of that migration from outside of Europe, from people that don't always share our values and don't always come from similar cultures, while our government has become completely disinterested in integration strategy. And by the way, our national conversation has become increasingly incapable of talking about it, Nick. As I said fifteen years ago you could come out and have a reasonable conversation about multiculturalism.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think the new elite class spans left and right. It's in a large number of legacy institutions. It's a class that has lost touch with the people that live around it. But let's go to the...”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They ostraciz If you're not respecting a democratic vote in this country, if you're deriding much of the country is racist, if you're jamming ideas and theories down people's throats that are not based in science, if you're working in the media and you're more interested in political activism than truth and independence and objectivity, then I think it's the duty of people to call that out. And that's what I think I've been doing. What I've seen in the universities, the treatment of Kathleen Stock, the treatment of Noah Carl, the treatment of Nigel Bigger and others, has been appalling. These people say they're liberal. They say they're enlightened. They're not, Nick. They're profoundly illiberal. And when you question the sacred values on campus, as I did, what you experience is the reality of contemporary liberalism, which is Francis Fukayama, among many others, have said, it is now really undermining classical liberalism. It's not interested in the tolerance and the freedom, the free speech, the free expression it used to define liberal societies.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you often talk about leverage, no longer liberal. But if you think that that is, sorry, this is important because you're talking about my life story. If you think that is rooted in a sort of secret desire to belong to an elite class that has sold this country down the river, you do not understand my thinking.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So funny. But if I could just carry on. You didn't bother to vote. No, if I can carry on. The reason I became a black sheep was because unlike 90% of academics, I stood up the day after and said, I think we should implement the vote. We should publicly accept this. And why did I do that? Because I believed that we should safeguard our democracy and we should safeguard people's trust in democracy. Now, in the world of the universities, that put me in a very small minority. And what I then experienced was a few years of harassment, intimidation, bullying by academics who view EU membership and their support for large scale migration as a sacred value, as things that you cannot question and challenge. Now I did openly, and the result of that was a pretty nasty wave of intolerance. So if you say, why did you change your views?”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the reaction to Brexit was one of the big moments for me where I saw essentially many of the people around me, 90% of people in the universities, not to mention a lot of people in the national conversation, suddenly decide that half of the country, their fellow citizens, were racist and ignorant thickos and gamons because they happened to vote for something that the elite class didn't agree with. They did that for good reasons. I didn't vote on the day of the referendum because I was analyzing data for the media because I was... Commenting on the results.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, there were a couple of key moments. One was watching a lot of my friends be sacked, harassed, and intimidated in the universities because they happened to hold gender critical beliefs or they happened to be conservatives, people like Kathleen Stock, Noah Carl, Eric Kaufmann, Jordan Peterson, Nigel Bigger, I could go on. That was one of them where I looked at liberty later.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think I grew up. I went to a state school. I went to an all-boys state school. I was particularly influenced by my grandparents. They basically came from South Wales and Birmingham, a working class part of Birmingham. And then I went into, let's call it, you know, the elite institutions. I became an academic, became a professor very young. Early 30s I kind of looked around at the elite class in this country and then watched them between 2010 and 2020 basically go off a cliff. You know, they became so radical in their views of so-called woke ideology and gender and desecrating our history, repudiating our culture. On mass migration”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, I was particularly influenced by my grandfather, somebody who was part of the greatest generation, fought in the Second World War, had small-sea conservative values, supported Margaret Thatcher, believed the country had kind of was entering decline in the 70s, believed in change, but also that change should be moderated, certainly wouldn't have supported what's happened in this country over the last 20 years, wouldn't agree with things like telling boys that they can become girls and girls can become boys and this kind of stuff.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I'm a lot closer to the views of the average voter than a lot of the people that I've worked with in the universities and also lots of people in, let's say, the elite class in this country, I think for sure. And I...”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In 2004, even that pales in comparison to what we have today, what we are living through today is the greatest radicalization of the elite class since the 1960s, where we have seen a series of decisions be taken by the people who run this country that do not reflect the values of the people who live in this country. We're talking about the values of those people. Well, I want to say one of the values.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would say the elite class has shifted its views. I think one of the questions I often get from people is, well, when did you become so radical in how you view the country? And my answer to that is actually, well, when did the people running this country become so radical? Because when I used to write things like that, when I began my academic career in the 2000s, if you look back, we had a pretty reasonable immigration policy. We had a pretty reasonable settlement in Westminster. Most people broadly felt represented in the country they felt pretty trustful. If you look at the data, most people trusted pretty much our political institutions.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because what followed in the weeks, the days and weeks after that event, was a lot of unrest and disturbance and frustration and anger in this country that is not linked, I think, to a single tweet, but is linked to a collapse of social integration in this country and the effects of mass immigration on this country. People might not have been able to articulate that as coherently as maybe people would have liked. They might not have been able to say what was the specific moment that they came to question what was happening in the country. But if you look at all of the evidence that we have, skepticism of immigration is increasing, concern about multiculturalism is increasing, support for the current direction of travel is falling. And this summer, we've had a series of moments and events, which is why I drew attention to them, where people have clearly reacted and said, actually, we've had enough. We need a change of direction.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I just simply said, as a matter of fact, that he is, as far as we know, based on information that is publicly available, he is the son of migrants from Rwanda.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Am I potentially the court case? Am I potential? Hold on, hold on a second. Hold on a second. The court case hasn't happened yet, but if you're implying that this guy isn't a criminal, then I strongly disagree with him.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They're not unconnected. I'm saying we have a big problem in this country with a lack of social integration, with a model of multiculturalism which is failing. And 10 years ago, 15 years ago, you could say that without any controversy. David Cameron said it, Angela Merkel said it, Nicolas Sarkozy said it. I'm sure you reported on it at the time.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As I said at the outset, I think what's happened this summer is we've had a string of events which lots of people will have seen as being all symbols of the breakdown of our social contract, which have all really hung on this question of are we an integrated country, are we an integrated society? Are we doing all we can to integrate newcomers into our shared community and ways of life? And whether it's looking at young British Muslim lads assaulting police officers, whether it's looking at children from minority backgrounds, stabbing British army officers almost to death, whether it's machete wielding gangs in South End.”
2024-10-18 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Matt Goodwin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source