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  1. Communion really, I mean, we're speaking very philosophically, but I think that's otherwise why watch a movie? I mean, really, we live in a time where there's so many other ways to distract yourself if all you want is distraction.

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  2. There's a place for that. I don't aspire to that myself. I think that you can have both in a film. I'm not saying it has to be homework where you feel like this is good for me. These are my vegetables. I think it can also be entertaining. And my favorite films do both. So I think ideally.

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  3. People say they want distraction. And I get that. I mean, certainly you have a hard day at work, you work all day, you finally get your kids down, you want to zone out. I get that. And I think this is Christmas.

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  4. I would say that the drug that I'm always looking for, the hit I want when I go to a movie is I want to have an experience that's emotional. I want to be connected to these characters. I want to care. Ideally, I would love to be so moved that I cry or laugh in some way. I want to engage, right? And then I want to have an intellectual experience. I want to have that film cause me to reflect on my own life or life in general. I mean, I showed. Interstellar, the Chris Nolan film to my nine year old, and we turn it off, and he said, You know, that's the kind of movie that you need to sit for a moment and think about life and think about. And I thought that's fantastic. That's exactly what I want.

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  5. That would have been surprising because I wasn't nominated for me. Oh, it's fantastic. I was like, okay, I'll go up there. So I don't feel that way. Now, again, Vigo was nominated. I wasn't. Maybe I would feel differently. I don't know. I'd have to be nominated.

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  6. I can say truthfully, honestly, at this point in my life, I don't feel that way. I don't understand people who want to win. I really don't because I feel like... If you're part of the conversation, you won. It's like

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  7. I think a healthy, I don't want to say you shouldn't disrespect you. You don't want to be disrespectful, but I think that it's nice to be invited to that party, but that's not the reason you do it. Sure. And really, it's among these candidates, among this pool, people are deciding what gets what based on, I mean, I myself vote for some of the, and sometimes like, yeah, that person's one too many words. We all do that. That's part of human nature. Or I like this person. I really think it's their time. Is it honor just?

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  8. Well, there's so many awards shows in Hollywood. I mean, you're mentioning that before, but like starting in, I guess around October, November The Golden Globes are sad. There's WGA has words. The DG has words. The PGA has awards BAFTA. There's all the Oscars. So you showed up in a lot of tuxedos. Yes, there's a lot of award shows.

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  9. But that one actually got an award once and I thought I wasn't. I of course had to report it out to find out if I won before the award and someone said I didn't get it and then I was pissed off that I didn't get it but then I got it and then I was thrilled.

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  10. Well, there's two competitions at CAN. There's the main competition, and there's uncertain regard, which I guess means another look in French. And that's like the junior varsity of Cannes, and we were in that competition. And I did get a director award there, and that was in front of my kids, and that was. Really great. It was on a personal level, it just meant that kind of approbation was just beautiful to me, very meaningful. I know awards are meaningless, but that one actually means.

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  11. You can. I can. It was fantastic. There's two way. You're setting yourself up for the reveal. Yes, I get it. Captain Mantastic is not fantastic. Captain, yes. I was aware of that.

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  12. My attitude is as long as they invite me to the party, I will go to the party. I'm really happy. I don't really audition as an actor. I don't really, I'm not really pursuing it actively. It would be a case-by-case basis. I'm not against it.

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  13. Yeah, Success. I've heard that. Like, I was like, whoa, that's really Fact, I can't remember her name. She's emailed me. I've known her for two years.

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  14. I know she's playing Marissa Maire. Like, she nails all kinds of things. And I know you're not supposed to link people to people, but it does. It does actually like the guy who played Jack, the CEO, the other CEO. Stephen Towaski. Yeah, and the conjoined triangles of success. I've heard that. I was like, whoa, that's what it's funny. I think it's because of the humanity of people struggling and failing almost continually.

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  15. Did you learn more about text since you've been doing it? Because I don't think it is about tech, although they do nail. It's really quite amazing. The culture. The culture. Certainly the culture. They do nail the culture really well. And certain characters, or the woman who plays the venture capitalist.

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  16. Yeah, I think the things, you know, one of the reasons that you mentioned the office, one of the reasons why the English office is, I think, seminal is, I think there's only 12 episodes. It's two seasons of six episodes, I think. They don't run out of story. Yeah. They're contained. So I don't know where they're going. I think that I'm glad that this season, they've certainly changed the dynamic a little bit. And I hope that continues because it gives me more. I'm not just not repeating the same season. You can always make.

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  17. I mean, I don't know if they know, they may know. They haven't told me where they're going. Because, you know, when you're doing a show in success, you get five years, maybe six or seven.

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  18. Which officer, yeah. I mean, it actually shows we reread in our popular culture about tech all the time. Here we're sort of in the epicenter of that analysis, but you can open USA today when you're at the airport and there's stuff about tech, right? And yet they show, it seems to me, they show it pretty accurately, how incredibly different it is to navigate that sea. Right, right, absolutely. Which I love, aside from the comedy and the dick jokes, which are fantastic. But it's actually a really complex, the ups and downs of it are complex. I think Gavin is just part of that trajectory. I don't know.

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  19. I think he has played a similar role in season after season, which is really just he is, as I said, this kind of antagonistic force towards Thomas Middlege's character so that he can, Richard, so that, you know, It's creating just tension so that they have to. They have to pivot around him. One of the things I love about the show, and this is not what you asked me, but I think it's actually like an incredibly...

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  20. They all buy mags He was a short, awful man. He's an asshole. Everyone wants to be Damien Lewis. Yeah, exactly. They have some tall English guys. A Max.

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  21. And I'm like, no, you're the short guy. They all had bombs. No, the other guy, remember there's a short hedge fund this season. There's a short, awful man. And I'm like, no, you're the short guy. He's an asshole.

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  22. I love you. No, you get. Are you Matt Ross? You're Gavin Belson on Silicon Valley? Yes. Oh my God, I love that. And I feel the same way. I think it's a great show. I love it. I'm proud to be associated with it and happy to be on it. So, you know, frequently they just want to talk about the show. They want to talk about what they love about it. Or they want to tell me how much they love the character. And I don't mind. I mean, it's not, it's really not.

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  23. Very specific to this show. It's not, you mentioned George Clooney. George Cluey goes everywhere. He gets attention for being George Clooney. I get attention for being from Gavin Belson on a show that they love. And I know what that's about.

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  24. Francisco, my friend. You're a rock star. Yeah, with your sunglasses. The attention is always positive. I don't mind it. I mean, really, I translate it immediately. The attention I get is simply love for the show. And that's great. It's very different. My experience is...

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  25. Yes, and I was unusually, you don't live in Los Angeles, you live in Berkeley. Yeah, yeah, I have an apartment in Venice, but I'm in LA almost every week, but I live here because my wife's from here and she wanted to raise our kids here. I was in Pete's coffee across the street, and I was recognized three times. Right. Oh, sure. You're in dead center. I get ready.

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  26. You were riveting. I mean, they're taking real-life events and certain things that they think are worthy of parody or even not parody, just reenactment.

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  27. I think I'm a force of antagonism, and also, and it's a comedy, so there's also humor. And I think they use Hooley and Gavin as an opportunity to examine tech, tech innovations and the way we and I were in that scene, which was

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  28. The show, yeah, the group. And that's the way that any of these television shows have longevity, right? If they're a movie, Gavin might have two scenes in the movie, right? But if they have to generate 72 hours, then you start with the central characters and after a while start in the third and fourth year, you start expanding, expanding. And you do that from the beginning anyway. I mean, Big Love had a huge cast. You had the first character as a secondary character, as a tertiary character, and you constantly would go to them for antagonism or humor. So what role do you?

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  29. Yeah, yes, exactly. And that happens. You see that happen. I mean, he's a secondary character. He's not part of the central five of the...

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  30. The template is set. So, you know, if you're playing essentially the same scene over and over again, then you're only going to be able to sing those notes. That's right. So I have to be, you know, they have to expand what's possible. And actually, this season is the first season without giving anything.

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  31. Yeah, you want to care for them. And I thought of Albie, frankly, the same way, which is that if he's a mustache twirling bad guy, then he's a cardboard cutout and you just hate him. But if you actually hate him but at the same time feel sad for him and feel sorry for him and understand why he's broken and how he was abused, particularly Albi, you know, with his father. And how he suffers. He's homosexual in a world where that is simply not allowed in any way. So he's got a secret self. I don't think that's the case with Gavin, but I still think the same. You still have to draw him with an equal amount of nuance and complexity. And really, I'm only allowed to do that given the writing because.

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  32. No, no, right, and he isn't, but he is. But he is, yeah, sure. I think it's not dissimilar to any great villain should be any great antagonist should be a great protagonist as well, right? So you want to think.

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  33. I think that, well, I think it's power probably as well. I mean, you can't, the people who are like him in the real world, I'm sure there is a great deal of their satisfaction probably comes from Winning, right? Conquering and being thought of as important in some way. And I think that Gavin, I'm sure, enjoys being the center of attention. I also think that he genuinely believes that he's making Alec Bergen, Mike Judge say, making the world a better place. And I think there's... I think there's great comedy in the juxtaposition of that kind of capitalism that obviously his company is involved in and at the same time this so-called altruism, which probably is. Marginal at best

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  34. I contend that anyone could play the barb. So I think anyone would bring something different. I was trying to make him not a caricature. I was aware of, if nothing else, I was aware of trying to play his humanity and his sincerity. And I thought there was humor in that.

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  35. You are sort of giving me an undue amount of credit because really I think the credit goes to the writer. Sure, absolutely. They create the template and I just flesh it out. And so I just try and do justice to what I'm given.

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  36. I don't know. I think it's less external and more internal. So I think that I wasn't thinking of, well, I'm going to use the way Larry Ellison gives speeches and his mannerisms or how he, you know, the certain way he's gesticulates. I wasn't thinking that or how they walk. I did think a little bit about how he walked, but I was thinking more just the, you can only respond based on what's written. Right. Right.

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  37. I didn't only later when I got the part sometime in the first year did Mike actually even talk to me about what kind of character he thought he was or who he was an amalgamation of. He never sat me down and said, so he's a little bit of Larry Allson or he's trying to do this or we're thinking of this. They may have done that in terms of design elements or what I wear or how my hair is or whatever. But we never had a, not once did we have a conversation about...

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  38. Understand the character from more an emotional point of view. And I think I was trying to portray him with humanity and not make a caricature out of him. I'm an evil villain. Yeah, I was trying to play the opposite, play the sincerity of it

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  39. I was not, I'm aware of that, but I was not trying to imitate them. So I wasn't watching YouTube videos of their speeches and trying to capture their mannerisms. I mean, apparently. Christopher Evan Welch said he was doing Carl Sagan. That was his. No, no, not Peter Thiel, but he was doing, I didn't have, I mean, I think I was trying to...

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  40. I think I read for his part for the part that Christopher originally played. And then they said, well, read for Gavin, and I did. And then I got it.

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  41. That's who I want. No, no. I mean, either that happens a lot, but I think both myself and I believe Christopher Evan Welch. Who played sort of, we played FOILs in the originally, he also, he may have gone in and actually seen Mike in person. I sent him a tape. They asked me to do it a variety of ways

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  42. Very difficult part. And I didn't think of myself as a comedian. And certainly when I was introduced to this world, all the guys, they're either improvisational comedians, stand-up comedians. That's a whole subculture that I really frankly wasn't aware of. And I'm not part of. When I say it was reinventing the wheel every time, it really is because Mike, to my knowledge, didn't know me at all.

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  43. Is a comedy. I hadn't either. Though doing theater, it's assumed that you can do everything. Especially if you're a trained theater actor, I had done comedy. I played Touchstone as you like it.

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  44. That's something that's fascinating about television that it's an evolving narrative. It really is. When you read a screenplay of a film, you don't know what's going to happen. You know the whole thing if it's a film, right? You see the whole trajectory. But this is, you know, they might tell you, I don't know that they even knew that, or that maybe they did, but they didn't tell me.

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  45. I didn't know what the part was going to be. I mean, it's time, actually. It was not clear. One of the great things about Alby was how complicated character is. Sure. I didn't know he was homosexual at all. I mean, I didn't know that until the second year.

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  46. I was really excited about it. I'd seen that happen already with other shows like Six Feet Under was great around that time. And I was excited for that possibility. And if Big Love had been a film, Albie would have been played by Daniel Craig or something, whomever, I never would have got that part. No, it's given an opportunity.

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  47. And what they thought his trajectory might be. And I was happy for it. It's something that's happened that we all watch. We all observe this with television is. The long form narrative has, I think, in some ways fulfilled the promise of 70s of filmmaking. Yeah, absolutely.

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  48. You don't really have to, that doesn't matter because the pilot is essentially the first, the hour pilot of what's going to end up being a 72-hour movie is really the first three minutes of a movie, right? So it doesn't matter what size role you have. You talk to the showrunners, the guys told me about how they envision the role.

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  49. I got work. I did. I don't know. A play a year. Sometimes, one year I did seven movies. That's a lot. Usually it was more like a couple films, enough to make a living, some TV stuff. I moved to Los Angeles and no one knew me, and it was traumatic. The thing that got me out of that was I got the job playing Glenn Odekirk in the aviator, which is the Martin Schwartzi film. And that was a huge... Seismic shift for me, not just emotionally, but also in terms of the business because it opened up certain opportunities. The main opportunity to open up for me was ended up being big love. I think they saw that film and said, hey, this guy's good. In the pilot, the part of Albi is tiny. I think I have one line. I'm essentially following around Harry Dean Sand. I think I have three lines or something like that.

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  50. We had just got married, and 9 11 happened. And we had planned on leaving in September going to LA. Now we're both from the West Coast. And I don't know that we thought it was going to be permanent, but we lived in New York for a long time, and we just thought, let's, you know, when we look back. When we're in our 90s, we want to say we lived here for a little bit. We lived here for a little bit. We wanted to have a varied experience We moved to LA and it was the worst year or so of my life. I had been in New York long enough that in terms of acting work.

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