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Michael Barbaro

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first: 2018-06-18
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“This is hosted by Rukmi Kalamaki and a colleague of mine on the Daily Andy Mills. And what happens is we have created a deep listenership. And why would we create a separate feed unrelated to the daily and hope that people find it, we can use the platform of the daily. To launch these shows that feel like the Daily but are really different than the Daily”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a crusher And we can talk a little bit about the actual schedule. But what we have decided the future of the daily is involves kind of curated miniseries shows like Caliphate. It was that extraordinary show about ISIS. I hope you guys have listened to it. These are”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, the advertisers want it. Advertisers like it because it's a deeper bond. You and I have a relationship with listener and we're supposed to transfer that over to BMW. Or whatever. But if I talk about a car and then the next day there's a recall. I mean, this gets pretty complicated.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think there's something about hearing a voice and having that voice be stripped of visual elements. I mean, when I see an image, I make lots of judgments about looks and you just, the bright shiny object stuff gets very distracting, and it's not as pure as just hearing someone tell their story. I mean, the human voice really is frail and vulnerable and honest. And it is what it is. I mean, think about why people are interested in my voice or your voice or anyone else's voice, these totally distinctive voices. Donald Trump's voice is incredibly distinctive. And people have strong reactions to it. When you strip away everything else but the voice and you have the intimacy of these earbuds or you're in your car at 5 a.m. on a dark road listening, there's just something pure about it.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I see where you're going This sounds like an inflated allegiance to the Times, but I think of the daily and think of my role as kind of curating the best. And bringing it to life in this new medium. And we didn't talk a lot about this, and we could talk about it in the QA, but times reporters who come on the daily get such a higher volume of feedback. And connect so much more richly. To listeners than print stories. And it's just the way it is”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We could And we could have interviewed somebody who had fraudulently claimed. That they had suffered domestic abuse because that's the argument on the other side. And actually, we're going to revisit the subject because we want a better understand, is there a problem with people claiming”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. And a lot of it is about the subtlety of what you don't say. We didn't need to describe the policy in great depth. Why did they decide it? Who in the administration was for and who was against it? And we are rigorously, rigorously, apolitical. I mean,”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“On the news. That was, I think, the most human and compelling version of that story you were going to hear. And it didn't need to be partisan and it didn't need to be full of conflict. It wasn't about Jeff's sessions and it wasn't about Donald Trump. It was about somebody who got in when the door was open.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As a domestically abused person, as a victim. And the producers searched far and wide for a great character from Burkina Faso, a woman who was horrifically abused by her husband there and got asylum. And the whole episode will be telling her story. And that's what we did. And it was a remarkable interview. It was really emotional. She sang during the interview. I mean, we really like to do unexpected. Unexpectedly human takes or really”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What does? I mean, I'll just give you a classic example from this week that we came up with that I loved. The Attorney General announces a decision that domestic abuse will no longer be a criteria for granting asylum. And what we could have done is had a reporter on is talk about that policy. But instead, it occurred to me, let's find someone who did successfully apply for asylum with”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We don't do the Trump tweet story because there's no narrative tension. There's just nothing to say for 25 minutes about a tweet that the president sends. And also, I'm really I'm really allergic to coverage of things that are deliberately provocative. If the president's going to go on Twitter and write something that's meant to provoke.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But there's a trick we do in the audio editing of the daily, and sometimes I'll listen to it myself, we'll group edit the show, and I'll say, Jesus, Michael, finish the, you know, and we'll just cut out the gap.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so there's a lot of anxiety in sometimes in what I'm asking. Am I asking it right? I mean, the James Comey interview was like the scariest thing I've ever did, you know, because we're sitting there kind of psychoanalyzing him and saying, don't you see what the rest of us see? You don't.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The biggest reason why I talk the way I do. Is because of my grandfather. When I was young, would critique any of the words that lots of people use. And he just knocked it out of my vocabulary. So instead of doing those things, when there's a gap, which is a very natural...”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Need so producers and I are in a document doing an interview and we are revising things as we go So there have been occasions, if there's an especially long Michael Varbarro gap, it may be because the words aren't there yet.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We bring in the characters in the story. And so it took us a while because guests would come on the show and we would have this great script that we had developed and they would just vomit out the story in one answer.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It sounds great, yeah. Which is journalists who come on the daily don't refer to a story. They don't say, well, as I said in my story, because it's an audio show. So they're telling a story in audio form. And it took us a while to train our colleagues to tell stories on the daily.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're going to treat the news because all great stories have a narrative arc to them. With the idea that there's suspense. So, what are you going to tell people at the start of a story versus the end? Where's the epiphany? Where's the emotional kind of like moment in the piece? And we spent a lot of time flushing that out. And the fact that Donald Trump was suddenly about to be our president meant that there were going to be lots of big, complicated stories to dissect. And so”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess I should talk a little bit about kind of what the idea of the daily is because we spent a lot of time workshopping the daily. And figuring out what it should sound like and what it should be. And we came up With this idea that there exists already a lot of great narrative audio storytelling. And by that I mean this American life. You know, one hour, an amazing long story, something that feels like a documentary in audio form. There exists lots of short form news. And our idea was to just marry these two things. Why can't the news feel like narrative stories?”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it feels like it. Well, once the run up needed to end because you can't be the run up to. Something once It ran. It upped and it ran and it was out. I mean, Trump's victory without Donald Trump winning this election, I don't know that you have the daily because the world suddenly looked incredibly confusing. and complicated and in need of a lot of explanation and new forms of storytelling. And once he won, and we had this like three-month period and we decided the run-up needed to go away, the people behind the run-up and the executive producer of New York Times audio, Lisa Tobin, decided that maybe we should have a daily show. Could we make a daily audio show? No one had ever done a daily short form on demand podcast show before.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I really do listen to the daily every day. Oh, do. And I do listen to other podcasts now. But I get teased a lot by the people on the daily team by how little. I mean, in audio, everyone knows episodes of this American life. And reply all, and they can sort of talk about them with great effect. I mean, the way we talk about episodes, I would talk about episodes of the sopranos or Seinfeld or whatever, or madmen, and I couldn't engage in that conversation with them.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Or we would have a single idea or theme that we would carry through multiple segments of an episode of the run-up. And we started to tap into this vast resource of the New York Times newsroom and found out that people like Maggie Haberman and Pat Healey and Nick Confessori and Glenn Thrush, they were really compelling that people wanted to hear from them. So there were lots of epiphanies along the way. So the combination of feeling pretty unsettled and humbled by the election and finding that audio was really powerful meant that...”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it was during this period that I had been part-time hosting a podcast about the campaign called The Run Up. And that was my first taste of audio. And feedback and audio and the power of audio. And we'll talk about this That suddenly looked like something that was a deeper form of connection to the news. It was a different way of seeing the story, of engaging it that felt richer and more human and authentic and kind of realer. Less me as a journalist imposing Story and the story being told more organically. And so the combination of that experience”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did. I want to be clear this was about me. The election, I think we did it with great distinction. I'm really proud of a lot of the work I did and everybody else I work with did. Just myself, I felt this deep kind of sense of alienation from my own work. What should I be doing next”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, and some of his messaging was interesting to me, especially I have a lot of relatives in the Midwest, and they were just dismissing and they kept saying the Republican Party won't let this happen. And I was like, what are they going to do? Shoot him? Like, what's the plan? Like, I don't get it. And I remember them making me feel stupid, like, for asking questions like that.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Was an interesting dynamic with the reporters. I remember being when he first announced it was at a dinner party in Washington, D.C. and it was a lot of campaign journalists were there. And he had just announced, and I was like, God, he's an interesting candidate, isn't he? And they were like, he's a clown. Like the whole thing, this and that. And what was interesting about it is I was like, I kind of find him interesting. And I'm like, and I'm like, I'm a lesbian from San Francisco and I find him interesting. So I think you like why there's something of visceral.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That night I was called in at 9 o'clock to write a Trump win story. It was very unexpected. And I was really thrown, not just by the result, but by a sense that I had not really done my job very well and that I had kind of missed something essential. I mean, how could I spend 18 months carving a campaign and not have understood what was going on? And that was a real wake-up call for me. After the campaign, I started...”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it's really interesting. A couple things happened. One is the campaign was what it was, which was an outcome that completely surprised us. I mean, the night of the election, I had no job that night. I was covering Trump and the people covering the Democrats. This was their night. They had pre-written a giant, amazing suitcase lean in the New York Times about Hillary Clinton winning. And around 9 p.m.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I wrote investigative pieces about his business. Life and his relationship with women, his kind of personal interactions with women. In some ways we were ahead of our time in those pieces. But it's brutal writing about that kind of stuff with him because he gets on the phone and just screams. He screams at us And told us everything. And he has a fascinating system. I don't think it's all that well understood, or he just archives everything. I mean, if you go into Trump Tower, it just seems like there's just a room. Where every letter that was written to him or phone call or email, because anytime we would bring forth a woman who had claims against him, they'd say, well. What about this email she wrote to me 25 years ago saying X? So I was fascinated by, I mean, it's much like he handles media and stories now very aggressively.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I covered politics for about eight years at the time. At City Hall, Mike Bloomberg as may And then Mitt Romney's campaign for president. A lot of long investigative pieces about Governor Romney And then Donald Trump, and then 2016.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, which you did. So you got to the times and you were covering retail and other things. But then you got into politics. Which was covering different campaigns and everything. How long did you do that for”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In which their board of directors suggested that they get their least healthy overweight employees to push carts out in the parking lot. Lose weight. And so, you know, it was stories like that that were breaking through. And one day the retail reporter from The New York Times, when I was in Bentonville, Arkansas with her, whispered into my ear that she was leaving the Times and said, you should apply for this job.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And what was going on in Washington at that time, and you had to be there covering the local grocery industry, was that two major unions in the country started groups that existed purely to antagonize and unionize Walmart. And they started becoming the recipient of lots of leaked internal documents and intelligence about Walmart. And I would just visit with them and got to meet them, and I was there at the right moment and chronicled all that. And so we did big investigative pieces like a memo written by the board of directors of Walmart, which was sent to me.”
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“Giant food and safe way. I chronicled them aggressively. And Walmart was coming into all these communities. And my ticket out of Washington, and probably the most important job I've ever done was covering Walmart. And what was going on, I won't bore you too much with the details, but as I was covering the local grocery chains, they were fighting Walmart. I got interested in Walmart.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I actually knew that. Washington was booming in that era. The biotechnology and the tech industry was blossoming and the business sector was flush with advertising until it wasn't. And I started working there, and I stumbled into the local retail beat. This was my big breakthrough. I was covering the two big grocery chains in Washington”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, lots of internships. Every summer you had to fill out 25 applications and you heard from three newspapers. My favorite rejection letter was from the Wall Street Journal because I had misspelled the word. And I actually always admired that.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and I started just, I picked up with the next newspaper, which was The Yale Daily News, and that was my college experience was the college newspaper. And because I grew up in New Haven and my father was a firefighter, In the city, my interest gravitated towards politics, and I wanted to cover City Hall, the prestigious jobs you were supposed to do when you went to Yale and you worked at the Olympics were covering Yale. I had no interest. I covered the city. And that began a lifelong interest in politics.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, we also ran the regular newspaper. So it was ridiculous. I mean, we ran the official high school newspaper, and then we ran the underground newspaper too. And then, of course, this is how ego maniacal we were, we would actually have spats created between the two newspapers, and we would cover them in the newspapers, even though we were the two newspapers.”
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“But we would borrow all the little lines. I was so obsessed with making sure that the fonts and everything looked just like the times in our little 8.5 by 11 broadsheet la Verit ⁇. Very successful. I think we had about 120 copies a week.”
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“So one of the first big investigations we did was about athletes who were being recruited For the Hamden Hall Country Day School basketball team and soccer team, and were they meeting the standards of admissions? Which is what too nerdy, concavely skinny.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The funny thing about it is, we didn't always bring the truth. We didn't really know what we were doing. There would be investigations we would do that were not always so investigative. So, this sounds so goofy, but neither Ross nor I were especially popular, attractive. Or physically.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I mean, I just, but I really even loved all the ornamentation and the architecture of it. I was deep in. Of course, I take for granted I loved the way stories were being told I loved the great features. I loved my friends and I at the times jokingly call the old suitcase leads. Where you have six clauses. And 75 words, everything you can stuff into a suitcase. And he sort of learned how to think and write through reading these big, wonderful New York Times sweeping assessments of the news. In high school, I actually started an underground newspaper with my best friend at the time, Ross Douth, who's now a columnist. We went to high school together. And we borrowed every single element of the Times in our little fake underground newspaper.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I just loved, I loved everything about it. I loved the fonts. I loved the little lines. I even loved the, I mean, I got obsessed with the smallest elements of it. Remember the sort of Christmas day? Remember the neediest banner across the top?”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Nothing wrong with Fox News. I'm just saying that it's a. I mean, that's a whole other discussion, but But the point is he calls me and he says, Mike I don't understand what Krug is saying. So that's the kind of, and he thinks that that's the New York Times, which is a whole other complicated issue about adversity. But anyway. The time becomes very important to my career as just a young reader I'm delivering the register, but I'm reading the times. I'm cheating on the register. And then”
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“It was tactile. It was invigorating. It literally deliver the news. And I was hooked really early. And a big moment in my life was the day that my mother started subscribing to the New York Times. I sent my mother because my father still doesn't really like the New York Times. Sometimes he's a Fox News watcher and he really objects to the”
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“And we would put the paper together on Sundays and actually deliver it out of the hatchback open door of the station wagon kind of crawling along the streets and we'd get the paper and we'd deliver it. And I became entranced by newspapers. Even the New Haven Register, which is not an especially good newspaper, I just loved cracking open the newspaper.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it was the New Haven Register. Paper that's fallen on pretty hard times. And every weekday at 6 a.m., we deliver this newspaper, and it was a family project. My parents had a Subaru station wagons, as people do in Connecticut.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I've been a reporter since I was in high school. I have always wanted to work at a newspaper, and I always have worked at a newspaper. I've had the most single track career of anybody I know. And that started because I delivered a newspaper when I was in middle school. I actually delivered a newspaper with my sister.”
2018-06-18 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times podcast The Daily (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No problem anytime. I have so many questions, Michael. Let's begin with how you started this because I think most people don't realize your history and when you acquired those hip glasses in slow moving voice. But let's think back before that. Let's talk about before that when you started off”
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