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Michael Malice

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  1. About all the young people who you and I have in our audience who are socially isolated at best. And now they can't leave their homes. Isolation and ostracism are things that are very well studied in psychology. These have extreme consequences. I read a book called Ostracism, and this wasn't scientific, but basically the author was a psychiatrist, psychologist, whatever. And he had one of his colleagues. They didn't experiment, let's for a week, you ostracized me completely. We know, and he goes, even knowing it's the experiment, the fact that he wouldn't make eye contact with me and the fact that he ignored me had an extreme emotional impact on me knowing full well this is purely for experimental purposes. Now you multiply that by all these, the suicide, the number of kids who are thinking about suicide was through the roof during all this. And my point is until these people, I would predict like 2024, that's where we're going to have to start having conversations about what personal content.

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  2. Of money. Those are the first ones who lost their companies because of these lockdowns. Cuomo, who's the governor of New York, opened up the gyms. He said, you're clear to open up. De Blasio said, and we don't have enough inspectors. You're going to have to wait another couple of weeks. To regard that as anything other than literally criminal is something that I am having a hard and harder time wrapping my head around.

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  3. And the concept of political authority as legitimate and to denigrate and humiliate those who would put themselves in a position in which they are there to tell you how to live your life from any semblance of validity. And that's starting to happen. If you look at what they had with the lockdowns, Cuomo and De Blasu, New York, we have, I was tired a couple weeks ago. And I said to my friend, oh, just click. Maybe I have COVID. And he goes, it's not possible. I go, what do you mean? And he goes, We haven't had any deaths in like two months. And there's only like 100 cases a day for like two months. And I go, you're exaggerating because everything was still closed. And I looked at the numbers and he wasn't exaggerating. And there's no greater American dream to me than an immigrant family comes to the States, forms their own little business. Maybe mom's a good cook at a restaurant, dry cleaner, fruit stand. And those people aren't going to have a lot of...

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  4. No, it's also very fluid because you and I are allied as Jewish people, as Russians, as males, as podcasters. You're an academic. I'm not. So we're different, but we each are a Venn diagram, even within ourselves. And I can talk to you about politics, and then we can talk about Russia's stuff, and then you could talk about your work, which I don't know anything about. So that would be where you're way up here and way down here. So there's lots. Every relationship just between individuals, it's very dynamic. Sure, and voluntary cohesion. So, the first step is to eliminate

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  5. Oh, you see, you think this is the goal? It's very interesting. It's the goal. So we started this conversation by you talking about you have love for that small group. I think we both would agree to have a bigger group would be better, especially if that love comes from sincere place. I think our country, specific, I wrote an article about this four years ago that's time to disunite the states and to secede. This country has been held together with at least two separate cultures with thumbtext and string for over 20 years. There's an enormous amount of contempt from one group toward another. This contempt comes from sincere place. They do not share each other's values. There's absolutely no reason, just like any unhealthy relationship, where you can't say, you know what, it's not working out. I want to go my own way and live my happiness. And I genuinely want you to go your way, live your happiness. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. I'll learn from you and take lessons and vice versa. But the fact that we all have to be in the same house together.

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  6. You're the utopian. You're saying cohesive society. I'm saying, I don't need that. I'm saying there's got to be conflict. Right, there's going to be conflict. You and I are disagreeing right now. That's not cohesive. Doesn't mean we like each other less. Doesn't mean we respect each other less. Cohesive, it's just a euphemism for everyone submitting to what I want.

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  7. Curing cancer Your concept of a cohesive society is in fact a society based on oppression and not allowing individuals to live their personal freedom.

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  8. Yes, is the white pill. Is that we're gonna, we are winning the most horrible people are being rendered into laughing stocks on a daily basis in social media. This is a glorious thing.

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  9. Am winning. We're all winning. We're winning on a daily basis. This is my next book. We're winning. We've won before. I'm not joking.

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  10. I don't think kindness is, I think that would be a mismatch and inappropriate. There's Superman, there's Batman, okay? And Superman's job is to help the good people, and Batman's job is to hurt the bad people. And I will always be on a Batman side than a Superman side.

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  11. It was both. The not having a mask gave him the permission to act like a despicable, aggressive person toward him, right? And the point being a lot of these mechanisms for social control are outsourced to low quality people because this is their one chance to assert dominance and status over somebody else. So the best way to diffuse that isn't with weaponry or fighting. It's through mockery because all of a sudden their claims to authority are effectively destroyed.

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  12. Said, go back where you came from. You're disgusting. I'm going to get sick. If you think this guy's a vector of disease, which is your prerogative, why are you coming close to him? Why are you getting in his face?

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  13. You just said by mocking them, one of the most effective mechanisms for those in power, we're much closer to Brave New World than 1984. The people who are dominant and in power aren't there because of the threat of the gulag or prison. They're there because of social pressures. Look at the masks. I was on the subway not that long ago in New York City. No one cared who I was until I put out the mask. I was in the subway that long in New York City. And I put this on my Instagram. I've told this story before. There was an Asian dude in his early 30s. He was like in Western clothes. It's not like he had a rickshaw or something. An older man in his 50s stood up over him on the subway, screamed at him.

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  14. Trolls are if I, if there is someone coming after what I love, there's two mechanisms, right, at least two. I go up and I'm fighting them, and in which case you are getting hurt and I fight, even if you win the knife fight, or if you disarm them and you preclude the possibility of a fight and you drive them off or render them powerless, you keep your person intact yourself and you also protect your values.

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  15. I mean, love in the sense of you care about this person and you want good things for them, not in a kind of romantic way. But I mean, you're using a broad sense now.

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  16. Sure, I would say in that case it's important to make them feel seen and validated. And I try to do this when people who I have come to know on the internet, and there's a lot, I try to do that as much as possible because I don't think it's valid how on social media, and I do this a lot myself, but not towards everyone, it's just there to be aggressive and antagonistic. You should be antagonistic towards bad people, and that's fine. But at the same time, there's lots of great people, and especially with my audience, and I would bet disproportionately with yours, there's lots of people who are because of their psychology and intelligence, are going to be more, more isolated socially than they should. And if I, and I've heard from many of them, and if I'm the person who makes them feel, oh, I'm not crazy, it's everyone else around me who is just basic, the fact that I can be that person, which I didn't have it their age.

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  17. Because if you're someone's about who you love is about to get harmed, you're moving heaven and earth to make sure, or like a book you love, you know. Like, I love this book. Like you're going through the fire to try to save it. Whereas if it's a book you really like, it's like, I'll get another one. And a book's kind of a loose example, but.

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  18. Sure, love is Sense of attraction toward another person, entity, or place that causes one to tend to react in a disproportionately positive manner. That's off the top of my head.

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  19. One mechanism I have found to increase love, and that's a word that has many meanings and is used in a very intense sense and is used in a very loose sense.

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  20. You're so suspicious. What it really is is a cold wind. I'm so inhumane. It doesn't sound how to be scared of. It's a cold win, it's not in person.

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  21. Yeah, but it's not like this is an opportunity for us to work out our differences. It's a cold wind. It's not a hug. That's my point. They think it's a hug.

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  22. I agree, but when that person is being confrontational or as they perceive it as being open, now there's a situation. How would you handle that?

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  23. So I perceive that right away is a threat. This person sees an antagonism between us and also is a weakness that I'm getting to them. So, my reaction isn't, how do I make it better? My reaction is to reinforce my position and see what I can to marginalize them usually. I haven't worked in a corporate setting in a long time, but it's not, I don't approach it the way an American would like, I'm glad you came and talked to me. Now I probably would because it's going to be a friend.

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  24. For a long time until recently, whenever I said anything to anyone, my brain ran a scan that said, if this person turns on you, can they use this against you? And I would do everything I said with strangers. And after a while, it's like, you know what? Maybe they will, but I'm strong enough to take it. But this is not how Americans think. Or here's another one. Let me ask you this. Sorry, I'm taking over the interview. People asked about advice for work, right? Like I had this, there was this party I went to and basically everyone had their own problems and everyone else gave their advice, right? And someone's having a problem with the coworker and the advice to Puy Americans gave them is, oh, sit down and have a talk with them. And to me, this is like the last case, last resort. Like first, you have to see what you can without showing your hand, showing your vulnerability, only when everything hasn't worked out. Or you're like, all right, let me sit down with you and try to have it out with you probably. But for them, the first thing is like sit down and be like, oh, you're causing me problems.

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  25. I don't think that's obscure because I think it speaks to how we perceive strangers with American, everyone's friendly. And with us, it's like, no, no, like you have that moat. And I think that percolates into many different aspects of how we relate to people. And I had to undo a lot of that.

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  26. He's an American, so someone's at the door. He goes and opens it, even though it's not his house. I would never do that. I would never think to do that.

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  27. The Friends of America are saying the way Russians are brought up and the way maybe I don't think it was just my family. I bet you had similar things. Here's an example. I had a buddy staying with me. He had a problem with his roommate, so he crashed in my place. Fine. I went to the gym. And I come back and he goes, oh, and my apartment building is four or four apartments. So it's not like a huge thing. He goes, oh, there was someone knocking at your door. So, you know, I told him, blah, blah. And for me, and I want to know if you're the same way. If I'm at someone's house that's not my own and someone knocks on the door, I wouldn't even think to answer it. Like if I had an apple here, maybe I'd eat it. I'd cut it, whatever. I'm not going to, it just doesn't enter my head to smash into my face. The thought of answering the door, if it's not my house, it would never enter my head. It would enter your head.

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  28. A very Russian thing. My friend wanted to do a film about me. He goes, I realize you guys aren't like us at all. You're just like look at us. And then I started telling him stories about the upbringing. And he's like, oh my God. And as I'm telling them, I'm like, wow, this stuff is really crazy. Like how we are wired.

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  29. You know my favorite food and story is? Do you know this? No. When he had Merkel with him, do you know this story? Merkel scared of dogs, like petrified of dogs. So he brings in his black lab. It's a labrador. It's like the sweetest animal. And it's all over her. And there's pictures. And she's sitting like this and she's terrified. And he's like, what's wrong, Angela? He's just completely trolling her.

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  30. In Ukraine. We're going to go to Lvov and either St. Petersburg or Moscow, probably St. Petersburg, or both. It's going to be intense. It's going to be a lot of panic attacks, I feel.

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  31. So a little deep. I haven't told anyone this, but I'll be glad to tell you to Vitish. I haven't been back since I was two. And next summer, it looks like me and my buddy Chris Williamson, who's also podcaster, he's British, modern wisdom. He looks like Apollo. It looks like we got a videographer. God. He looks like the god that Paula. Yeah, he's a month.

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