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  1. And when does that change? Because our center of gravity, our audiences, our core audience. That picks our nominee, they tend to gravitate toward yesterday's media because of age, surely. So we're really good at AM radio, which is probably the least important thing to be really good at if you plan the next 10 years of American politics.

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  2. Which, with all due respect to Bloomberg radio, you know, I know you probably were on AM. 10 years from now, you'll probably be streaming. We're not sure AM radio will be carrying.

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  3. Think the same, let's put it this way it is a huge, campaigns are amplifiers and all media, be it radio, paid television, direct mail, telephone calls, and of course everything digital, particularly mobile devices, which are eating everything. Is a powerful amplifier. And the analytics you can get by knowing what people are interested in helps you learn so much more about the voters and be so much better at even doing the television. It's all true and the Democrats are way ahead. But some of that is not by choice. It is driven by the audience. The Republican primary, our core tribe, is old. So guess what the dominant media is? AM radio.

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  4. It is sizable and it is a huge problem, but one caveat. We always obsess on the gadgets in the campaign. Oh, the new mind reading polling device or this or that. I ran a guy, a long shot guy for president in 1995. We announced a campaign on CompuServe. We hold the record for presidential campaign launched on the web. But you can overdo the technology. The truth is in 90, excuse me, in 2008, when Obama had much better analytics in digital than the McCain campaign, which was Stone Age, you know, just it was the Keystone Cops. The Obama campaign would have won without the internet because the big narrative storytelling of the campaign and the demography, the most powerful forces, were all lined up with Obama.

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  5. Now the virtual precinct is your best friend from college who's the teacher in Columbus, Ohio, is everybody as much in contact with you as your friend two blocks over. So the precinct on social media, those swing voters in Columbus may not be getting their information from the Columbus Regular Republican or Democratic organization, but from their friend from high school who actually lives in Riverside, California, who may take an article that really persuaded her that Hillary is bad, click a share, and then the person in Columbus will read and trust their friend who sent them the clip, and that information will go sideways and have a huge impact in a precinct 2,000 miles away. The person they have the social connection with, and it's really changed political organization.

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  6. Facebook and increasingly Snapchat and some of the other, even Pinterest, because what Facebook does and all the social media does is they take credible information and they move it sideways. In other words, we have a thing now called the virtual precinct. In the old days, you have a precinct captain going door to door and you'd know the guy two doors over. Oh, yeah, he's a veterinarian and come over. Look, I know your wife's big into animals, this candidate.

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  7. I kill people who do. I kill, I block or mute them when they do bad puns. I'm so tired of stupid unfunny puns. That's a real Bush league move. You know, I was like, really? Done. Yeah. Work a little harder on the jokes. So Twitter is a good way to get a message out quickly. But in the mass voter world, the other social media is much more powerful.

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  8. Right, no, exactly. My favorite thing on the Twitter feed. I love throwing people off the island. I figure they don't pay to follow me. I get to fire them whenever I want.

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  9. Twitter is a very fast electronic bulletin board that all the reporters use to kind of watch stuff. I'm at Murphy Mike and I do it all the time. I've got over 50,000 followers and I've never said my Twitter handle on television. It's kind of weird. It just organically grows. Sure. But you also get a lot of people who are just, they think they're digital warriors and so they're bargaining other people. And there's a lot of kind of graffiti on Twitter.

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  10. I think he just correctly spelled the hallway, probably the Hope Hicks, who's kind of his press valet, send out a Twitter, you know, and he barks out something and maybe she tries to clean it up a little.

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  11. And so, at any question of execution, be it policy, be it a digital campaign that means anything for the mobile devices that are increasingly the front window on so much in communication, including campaigns, all that stuff, they've got nothing, they're doing a few polls, they got people trying to talk him in being the same. They got like one and a half speech writers who can put him on a prompter that he'll ignore half the time. But it's like a bad congressional campaign level of technical competence.

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  12. Not supposed to. You need a depth of field to figure that out. With Trump, the advanced guys come in and say, all right, this will be his hold room. Here's the special meatloaf. Here's the coffee. Here's the signs. And they find out they pick.

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  13. Somewhere to have a hall full of an adoring throng to cheer and he'll do his routine. He kind of does this like stand up. Don Rickles meets whatever he is. Juan Perrone. And, you know, that's the whole Trump campaign. So when Trump has a big idea like, hey, I'm going to go to an African-American church and take on Hillary. Great media chum. You know, oh boy, cat bites dog, Republican and African-American community. They're covered the hell out of it. But you need a real campaign operation to go find an African-American church where pastor is willing to let you do a political speech, which, by the way, actually happens all the time in churches.

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  14. A lot of sense to me. By all the conventional rules of this, Hillary has the big, complicated campaign of the massive staff doing all the traditional things. She's like the dog food company with the best satellite aim trucks, jingles sung by Lassie. She's got everything. The only problem is you crack open the dog food. The dogs sniff it and they whine and run the other direction. But she has all the machinery and distribution, and that is worth something. Trump has no campaign. He has a couple of yes men who circle him, yes women, but it's all Trump. And the mechanics of the campaign are an advanced operation because what Trump really wants is somewhere to land the plane.

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  15. They're kind of the Hollywood reporter, the old Hollywood reporter of politics. And so they'd really like to know who's fighting over the cafeteria menu in the campaign. And they're quick to blast stuff out that's weekly sourced sometimes. Sometimes they get it right. So I don't want to be too unfair to them

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  16. Yeah, Glenn Thrush at the Politico. I think breaks some stuff. I'm generally not a political fan because they're in the, often in the trivian gossip business.

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  17. He's at the post Ron Brownstein at the National Journal is probably the best guy in demography, which is always the motor of what's really going on. Sure. If you want to kind of read the balance sheet of the candidates with the reality of who really they're probably going to have in the end, to use the investing analogy, Bronstein is very good at that. And there are others. I mean, I'm being

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  18. Donald Trump. They've done a great job on that. Bob Costa is a good shoe leather campaign gossip who's fighting who in the elevator, what's really going on. He's one of the few guys deep sources in the banana republic of the Trump campaign. There's no campaign. It's a banana republic. And a lot of things they say about what's happening are not that true. And Eastwell sorts there. I think Dan Balls has always been the thoughtful big picture slowdown. I've seen a lot of elections.

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  19. I would say that's the second thing. There are some people who are old pros who are writing smart political coverage with context to what's really going on, not the daily trivia chase. I'm saying the print side, Jonathan Martin, at the New York Times does a great job. There are others there, Maggie Haberman, a bunch of there. They do, it's a left-wing newspaper, but the news folks covering the analysis side of the campaign, I think there are some strong people there. The post is a great beat reporter who covers...

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  20. They do two things really well. One, even though it is an insane herd and a lot of the analysis I see on television drives me crazy because it's so ill-informed and silly. They cover it round the clock wall to wall. So if you want to know what kind of tie Donald Trump is wearing today and the words he said, just click on cable TV or the internet. So you're there and they use the technology and the resources they have to put you in the campaign. You can actually cover the campaign now without traveling, really, even as a journalist because it is so accessible electronically. So you have an unfiltered view of the whole thing that you've got to sort out. The problem is there's a lot of bad dumb analysis, but we get a level of kind of transparency into what happened that day that is unheard of 15 years ago in politics, even 10.

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  21. Well, it's kind of like it's the world heavyweight boxing championship, and one of the boxers walks in with a chainsaw and starts slicing at the other guy, and the refs are saying, no, and he slices the ref and the crowd's screaming and wrestling stop. Yeah, it's like, but wait a minute, you've just broken the rules of there are no rules, and then the ratings go through the roof, and maybe there aren't no rules.

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  22. Whatever the movement of the day is, be it the candidate falling in an orchestra pit or Trump trades some phony trip to Mexico. They thunder and cover the hell out of it because every day has to be a big day to go. Now, to give them some credit, there are stronger, more important themes and analysis that does happen that kind of floats above. But I would say they've been a bit flummoxed by Trump because the old media weapon of the raised eyebrow, that's really not quite true, sir, that used to send most people in public life to like, well, and back off. Trump's oblivious to it. He just doubles down on whatever misstatement he just made up. And they haven't quite found a way to push back because the Muir book is they can't say, that's a bald faced lie, Yukon, man. Have you noticed they're trained not to do that?

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  23. Grapefruit. And when they see movement, they want to go sniff it and eat it. So when something happens in the campaign, they see his movement, you know, this herd of Jurassic Park dinosaurs, they thunder over and probably destroy whatever it is with investigation.

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  24. That it's a big mob that watches itself. So there's a huge herd mentality. And it's running against a clock of now because with digital media has changed is the old days where you had the deadline at night and then the paper and now the new cycle is instantaneous. Twitter, you know, the various social media platforms, it never ends. So they are like a herd of buffalo running looking one foot ahead, just watching each other thundering toward anything. The old joke I used to tell, which is kind of unfair to my friends in the media, is they're kind of like the Jurassic Park dinosaur. They're 40 feet tall, five foot teeth, and a brain about the size of a...

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  25. Over, right? Exactly. I actually did the campaign in the primary against Fred Grandy, who was the guy from the Love Boat. He ran for governor. And I'll never forget poor Fred. We ran a radio campaign when we found out he'd been a liberal Democrat in Hollywood. Fred Grandi, he may be a better actor than we think. So the actor thing actually became an issue in that primary where we were able to beat him with Governor Branstead. But he was a pretty distinguished Republican congressman for a long time. I do think we're going to see more crossover and there will be kind of Trump imitators. But it's hard to imitate Trump. One, he is so pre-aware and so famous. And two, his blustering style, which both helps him by attracting attention and hurts him by offending.

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  26. What we have is interesting because we have this crossover now pop culture into politics. We had a little of it with Arnold back in 2003 in California, but this is a whole new level. I'm terrified of Kardashian right now is looking at a map in New Hampshire.

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  27. Yeah, so that was Trump's code for. Jeb uses big words, and you know, he's not, he doesn't have my grievance anger. And so it really meant polite and thoughtful, which was frankly not what 4-some percent of the primary wanted this year. I joke, it was like selling opera records at a tractor pole. They just weren't buying it. And it's too bad because if Jeb are a nominee right now, or I'll say in fairness case, we'd be up three or four in Hillary on our way to win the election and probably get the Senate re-elected.

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  28. And he's the energizer bunny. He used to, the 25 year old staff couldn't keep up with them, the workload when he was governor. But it wasn't about low energy. That was a code word for Smarty Pans talking with the big words when I'm going to tell you what's really going on. Mexican rapists are coming over the border. Well, Jeb's talking about, well, it's an act of love, frankly, when they come into the country to try to get their families to life as an American. Jeb was civil and polite, and that was a code for low energy.

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  29. What was the code word? You know, I was screaming at the TV. I couldn't talk to the campaign, but how about needy Donald? Because there's no needier personal American political life. The low energy Jeb one people who know Jeb all went nuts because he's none.

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  30. And that was the core of the core. I want to be fair to most Trump voters here. I blame the con man, not the Marx. I think there are a lot of people who are for Trump. The vast majority love the country and really think he is a way to change it for the better. But back in those primary days at the beginning, there were some rough elements in that world. And they were ready to take almost any rhetoric from Trump. And some of them really love the roughest rhetoric about the Mexican rapists coming in and all that. That's why that resonated.

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  31. I mean, Never said anything like that. Yeah, but he was not, and this was the big surprise to those of us because the last thousand times you've done a campaign, the ideological primary voters vote ideology. And Trump could be wearing a Karl Marx suit and the 25 to 30 percent that he really had, they wouldn't go anywhere. They're like, look, he's my guy. He gets the issue. And then you'd feel the race in the room. They would not quite say it. But the little thing was he knows what the problem is if you know what I mean. Wink wink. So I don't care what you fancy pants college jerks say about him with your whatever you said in 1989. He's my guy. Screw you. And, you know, maybe some of you guys will get thrown in the camps. I mean, it was rough. Is there some rough voters out there in Trump? Well, now. Well, he came out.

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  32. But again, Trump was the creature at the beginning of about 25% of the primary electorate, and then it grew to the mid-30s. And they were ready, I mean, we tested all this stuff. We do polls and focus groups of Trump voters. And they were locked in. They were like.

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  33. Amongst Republicans. What was the reaction to that? Well, in the room where it happened, he was roundly booed, Trump was. You know, he was in the debate. Yeah, yeah. And contributions surged, all the normal stuff.

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  34. By trying to separate that from just the policy mistakes that were made. And he did say policy mistakes were made, but he didn't leap to it with glee the way the media narrative would like. So what does that mean? It means you get scored as bumbling idiot for four days by the process press, the same people who are hyperventilating today about polling data as Trump becomes the president of September 18th. So again, I draw analogies to the business world. This is a lot like value investing. And the daily panic. The daily herd is something you have to resist strategically, but it rules the press.

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  35. Funding for our country, and he was in a big hurry to say, yeah, didn't mean anything. And so he, again, what would make him a great president, but did not always make him the perfect machine tool candidate, was he pushed back for a few days that he didn't want to like run to bury the sacrifice of people.

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  36. Well, I was around them. That was before I went to the super pack. That was a situation where we all knew from minute one what the answer the press wanted to hear to say, he's, quote, answered it right. You know, because the press judged. And what's the right answer? Oh, it was the worst thing ever. And, you know, oh, it was. We made a mistake. We should have a terrible mistake. The problem is, like a lot of governors, Jeb had written a lot of letters, made a lot of phone call to people who had their loved ones killed in action. Right.

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  37. We weren't lying to people. Trump's tried to steal our immigration plan on days when he's for immigration reform, which is about one out of three. You know, so fought our corner, fought it hard, worked like dogs, Jev in particular. And guess what? We lost. Life will go on. But as I think the numbers are going to show that Hillary Clinton will be sworn in as the next president, am I going to be saying I told you so little? Damn right.

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  38. When you But I can tell you that the JEB folks, even though we had the resources, thank God for that, Jeb worked very hard. The finance people did. We had a great team, many of them here in New York. So we had the dollars to make our case, but they were not buying what we were selling. So weirdly enough, even though we all hate losing, believe me, pathologically. We sleep pretty well because there's nothing Jeb Bush did in that campaign we have to apologize.

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  39. I was not in perfect candidate shape, not at all. But I mean, people say, well, would you have done anything different? I can say, I can think of a hundred things we would have done different and we would have lost differently. You know, it's weird. I'm in a business where you live by winning and losing, and I've been spoiled. I won a ton of campaigns over the years. Had some losses like everybody, you learn a lot in your losses. You actually learn more than you do in the winter.

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  40. Trump wasn't on the radar then. We were much more worried about the kind of forces in the party that picked Trump in the end, but we thought they grab on the cruise and we'd run a grievance campaign, the Republican Party, and we'd blow the general election, we'd hand the White House to Hillary Clinton, who's eminently beatable, and we'd set the party way back at a time when we needed the opposite and the country needed our ideas. At least our Bush conservative ideas, which is about fixing a lot of things that don't work in the country with free markets and other things we believe in. So we always knew it was more of a crazy long shot than anybody thought, but we can never say that publicly because it would undermine our attempt to muscle our way through. Now that said, Jeb, if he were here, would be the first to say I was rusty out of the box.

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  41. Early on, when we were thinking about this, and the guy who had the lowest number at the table, and none of us were over 50%, was Jeb. And we said, well, then I have an idea. Why don't we order another round of drinks and not run for president? And Jeb said, if I don't do it, if I don't try to run the kind of modern conservatism that can win the general election, get power to change the country with our policies to lift everybody up. That's why we called it Right to Rise. Who will? I know it's a long shot, but who will fight the good fight? We're going to get cruise otherwise. Or, you know, we'll get another grievance candidate. Trump wasn't around at that point.

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  42. B for what's going to happen. We were trying to muscle Rubio out, KSAC others. That was the strategy because you don't lead with your weaknesses. But internally, I'll never forget, I had dinner with Jeb and Sally Bradshaw, who's Jeb's other longtime political person, a dear friend of mine, and his son, and I won't go into a private conversation, but we all did the odds of winning.

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  43. In terms of what we knew how hard the Republican primary would be for a positive candidate like Jeff. Yeah, but you don't run a campaign saying, hey, guess what? We think it's really going to be uphill. You run a campaign saying we've raised the most money. We have the most qualified guy.

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  44. Well, the voters are always more important than the campaigns because they decide what they want and they go find it. And often what they find takes a while. So they go land on somebody. And then, of course, everybody's shocked and amazed at what happened. But it was clear it was going to be a grievance primary. And one of the great secrets of the JEB political operation is we were bluffing a little bit.

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  45. And everything's a pivot. He's a Republican. One day he's a conservative, then he's a liberal. I mean, he doesn't believe in anything like any good con man. He's just trying to get the room.

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  46. Well, I don't know. I'm never a big believer in pulling the sweater thread of one campaign thing because then I got to go back to LBJ using an H-bomb to terrify the country about Barry Goldwater. So I do think. The political culture has gotten coarser, but Trump is an outlier. Trump is breaking rules of basic civility, let alone the truth. The fact check meters in the press have exploded. He broke the machine. How do you fact-check a person?

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  47. I stayed in a hotel once where they don't leave a mint on the pillow. Well, Donald Trump, you know, I mean, the deferments a lot could go on for hours. Trump just discussed me. So let me.

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  48. Yeah, I'm and I know a lot of details. I've met some of the guys who were in the Hanoi Hilton with them or McCain or Joke.

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  49. Uphill battle for Bubba Bumpus. And the Obama phenomenon, I'll never forget, I'm still close to McCain. He's a great American. He's impressive people I ever met. And I went and visited him

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  50. And he was up against history of Barack Obama. And the fact is, the media love McCain. I used to joke the media was our base. But what the media really wants is a Republican martyr. Boy, he gave it to him, and then they beheaded him. So who's the Democrat we're going to be for?

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