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Michele Madansky

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first: 2019-06-05
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“And when I have my research on breadwinner moms, I got to come and talk about how we can create a better society with more breadwinner moms.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're going to come back with another study in three years and show some better numbers. I'm going to talk about, yes, I will be back here in three years. Okay.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that's a good point, which is that men mentoring women And I just was on a panel with Dave Smith, who wrote a book, When I'm going to Forget the Name of it, but it was all around men mentoring women and how important it was and how to be a better mentor. And I think that's a really important thing that kind of gets lost because for all those kind of schmucky guys, another Walt Mosper out there who is supporting and advocating for. And we need to be celebrating that and not making people feel afraid to go out to lunch with the next hot Kara Swisher because”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To make that's what I am. Here's what it's also talking about stories that are good too. That is one thing that I do think gets lost in this because everyone feels badly all the time and they should. But I am always like, well, Mosburg changed my career and talk about good outcomes when they work. Like you can blame him or give him kudos for me. But you have to. There's a through line between him to my career to him. And so I think a lot of those kind of things you have to talk about, which people don't.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And, you know, again, I am not an HR, I'm not in diversity, inclusion. I'm just trying to shed a light on the stories. And I think that shedding a light and making people aware and share the data, like share the data of within your own company. Share the data within the industry so that you can understand, but you're not going to have any change unless You understand where we are at this point in time.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Five things they have to do. Number one is understand what's happening to your company, right? Like you need to understand where these Challenges are and what they are. Is it the Egregious stuff? Is it the death by a thousand cuts? And what are they and which areas of the company and which segments of your working population so that we can fix that? Number two, boards need to be responsible. There needs to be more diversity on boards. There needs to be more diversity in the C-suite. And I think there's the make your C-suite like your consumer base, right? That's just a good motto to have.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And she was adorable. Right. She was adorable. She's been smart and everything else. So let's finish up talking about what needs to happen next at these companies. If you go in with these numbers, what do you say to the companies you may be advising? So give me five things they have to do. So number one is...”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it is the fact that she was clearly responsible and she was being featured as the woman behind the person behind the black hole photo and she was adorable. Right. She was adorable. She's adorable.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'll tell you what bothered me about that. They kept saying woman. And I was like, she's a programmer, my friend. She's not a woman programmer. I had someone the other day like, you're the best woman journalist. I'm like, I'm the best journalist. Like, sorry. You know what I mean? Like, it was a really interesting. And it's not that I didn't want to celebrate being a woman. It's that wasn't the point of my work or her work or anyone's work.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Low grammar women programmer. It was two Facebook engineers who started check this out. It's a terrible name, but I love it anyway. So it's all about just telling stories of women in STEM, right? And I think the more that we tell those stories about the positive things that women are doing the black hole. Yeah.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I think that there are more stories coming out also. I think I'm on the board of an organizational called Woolgrammer, which is focused.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But then you don't even know how the results are skewed because of your ability to access people, right? And so some people have more access than others. Know, I think that's where the real problem is the access and the ability to, just the ability to get in the room, to get in the room, not the elephant in the room, to get in the room, even if the elephant's there.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess I don't think it's a competent to say they're not quite as awful. They're not quite as grabby and mean to women. I just, that's, I don't know if that's sort of like a low bar. To me, it's a low bar. I find it. You know, it reminds me of when I was coming out, my mom's like, Look, I was nice to you for being. I was like, that's not, you don't get a star for being a decent person. So I think that's one of the parts is that I still get the feeling that the priority is not on that. And it's an irritant versus a positive. That's my sense, but maybe I'm wrong.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think it's happening outlooker. Look, they've changed. I mean, you know. But are you, I mean, I'm cautiously optimistic about the future of Uber.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And those who did a lot of times had bad experience. I mean, the Susan Fowler thing is ridiculous, right? Right, right. Common, but common.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, no, I think a lot of the women said, especially on the sexual harassment, they did not report these incidents because they felt HR would not be supporting them.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Part of it also has to do with HR. That's supposed to me what HR is, and instead it turns out to be a defender of the company versus trying to change agent too often at a lot of these companies. It becomes a logistical thing. They become managing problems versus managing change. Or pushing change.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So you need to do that. I would love to see companies taking the onus and doing that themselves and saying, hey, I'm going to measure where we are at this point in time and then make objectives around shifting some of this, not just around like the numbers, but how people are feeling in terms of being included.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I mean, I think that those conversations of the men not going to have lunch with the women, I'm not as worried about that. I think that people will get over that. And for me, I think the important thing is that we really understand where we are at a point in time and try to make changes based on that. So what I would love to see is, first of all, like a larger scale study where we can not only analyze this by women, but by LGBT, by people of color, by ageism. I mean, there's all these kind of What intersectionality? I don't like that word. I like covariates, which are also impacting people in our industry. So being able to kind of say like, we can't say we have an ageism problem unless”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So you're talking about positive things. What are you worried about? What are you worried about? There's been a little bit of a backlash to the concept, like of Me Too and things like that. Yeah. I'm not fatigue is more than backlash, I think.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, that's right. Well, I don't know why the onus is never on the man. It just isn't as much. It's usually you've got to get three women in there and they have to push for women. I think women get tired of that, I think, like having to do that. But, you know, whatever.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What depresses me is women that have to do the heavy lifting are people of color that have to be the ones doing the heavy lifting on this in a weird way. You'd think that most people would find this a good idea or at least a normal idea and not something not seen as something that's like, oh, I'm going to have to be PC here. It's just a good thing.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, the whole discussion around board members being responsible for the companies and making that an imperative I think is really important. So, you know, calling, you know, companies out and have, you know, having more diverse boards certainly will help. If you have a more diverse board, then it would help get more diversity in the C-suite. And that will help with the culture.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You have a say at the channel and give us word positions. You know, obviously, you know, Cheryl Sandberg did this years ago. It's been written about her women's groups were really interesting. That was very early. Like, oh, women's only dinners where she brought in big names and stuff like that. Oh, sorry. They were great. You and Mary Lou got invited. They're great. But the concept of it is that women supporting women. But I'm talking about actual change of people getting into high-ranking positions. Will that make a difference from your perspective? Or not at all. Maybe not. Because there's been lots of women at top companies that are...”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, and you do that also to your credit. But it's the idea that you can create these things. Part of it is great, although you do get pushback from men like, why do you have women's only groups? I'm like, really? You need to stop.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, we all get, I mean, it's just like we all just get together and kind of support each other in whatever is needed. You see people like Aileen Lee and Tina Sharkey always pumping each other up on social media and you do that also to your credit. But I think that we're seeing more of that and the more board list, et cetera. I don't know when the board list started.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I think maybe the culture wasn't right. So maybe that's the culture. But I think that in a lot of places where there are only very few women on the top, you don't want to be seen as like, I'm having lunch with the other woman, right? Like you have to be one of the guys. And what I have seen over the past few years is all these women supporting each other more. So you see that through these informal groups like the Yahoo Diaspora women's group that I'm part of that we all get a lot of”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, the last reason that I'm optimistic is, and I think this is one of the ways that you change the narrative, is more women supporting other women. So you think about like one of the things in reading the Ellen Powell book, which I finally read, what was sad to me was that there was a number of partners or junior partners or whatever they were, but they weren't really supporting each other. And I think that for a lot of places where what?”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm not writing about it. I'm not writing about it. I'm tired of it. And I wasn't trying to push numbers on him, but it was like really, you can't find. And it was a role where there were plenty of women candidates. That's why I was irritated with them. So how do you change the numbers? Because I think that's part of it, right?”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The other travellers. There's lots of good travises. So let's talk about how you change track because the numbers still remain glaringly obvious that white men rule the ruse continually. Every time they leave, even when those reports come out, I'm like, oh, once again, it just doesn't move. The needle doesn't move. It seems like there's no effort. As much as they say there's efforts, it feels like maybe it's priority number 15. Just recently one of the big CEOs called me. They were adding someone to the staff and it was been a very male-dominated staff. And I was like, is it a woman? And he goes, no. And I was hanging up before. I was like, I don't want to hear about it. I just, okay.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, lesbian. Les Right. Well, that's why I'm doing research. I'm doing research around breadwinter moms. And if there's any listeners who are breadwinter moms who want to talk to me, I'm hoping to write a book about it. But I think, yeah, I mean, the same-sex couples have figured out we're just getting there. And, you know, it's slow, but we have to because there's just more and more women who are poised. I mean, I have a PhD in business. My husband has a philosophy undergraduate degree. And that's, you know.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Our home lives. So men taking on more responsibilities in the home, you know, etc. So I think that just that kind of that discussion around roles, and there was an article in the New York Times, I just read, it was about a couple that were lawyers and talking about how the women went to 20. No, she went to 20 hours a week and the husband worked 60 hours a week and he makes five times as much as her, right? That's not the narrative is shifting so that Women can do that and men can take the lower. Yeah, the lesbians.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think that there's this, you know, as there are more women who are getting undergraduate degrees who are getting graduate degrees, they're going to be more poised to be the breadwinners in their families, right? So there's going to be this natural evolution where we need to navigate, just as I did, the work environment. If you're the breadwinner, you need to be able to work in whatever environment, whether that's tech or education, et cetera. And so the workplace is going to have to adjust to that. as well as the”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And what does that mean, bread? Oh, so according to Pew. Yeah, okay. Thank you for asking. According to Pew, the woman just has to earn a dollar more than the men. Oh, okay. Okay. Like, so in my case, Travis was a stay-at-home dad for a decade when I moved here. And there were not, I mean, he could not find other men in Menla Park who were stay-at-home dads. Right. So it's.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay Super interesting, but 58% of college graduates now are female in the United States and globally it's over 50%. That was a stat. And when you go to visit colleges, especially if you go to these small liberal arts schools, a lot of them are 70% female”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, so another trend which I'm optimistic about is the rise of breadwinner moms. So, Liz Mundy, do you know who she is? She wrote a book called The Richer Sex.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“100%. I mean, and also they also Find it offensive. They find it gross, I think, which is interesting. Although I have to say, my son just related something to me about someone in his class that was kind of gross. But he also was like, I put a stop to it. You know what I mean? Like, they feel responsibility. Now, of course, I have drilled it into him that it's his responsibility to see something and do something. But it is an interesting, it should be interesting to see the next statistics you get, right?”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My younger son's too young to think about this, but I don't think he feels burdened by it. Like, he doesn't think, oh, what a bummer I can't be an asshole. I just think that's the way they think, right? You know, like I don't have to, he doesn't feel like he has to change because he never behaved like that, if that makes sense. Right. A lot of the men are like, oh, victims, I can't do that anymore. They feel bad about you. You know, you get that thing, but Gen Z people don't. They just don't.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it depends on where you raised. The coasts are raised. My kid has been raised in a very liberal environment. But I do think, I actually think it's more than that because I have another son who's a little more conservative, I would say. But I think they're both like, what the hell is that a problem for? You know, you can get that. And I think a lot more kids than you think of from all areas of the country are like that. There was actually a recent interesting evangelical statistic that the older people are still obsessed with a gay thing and the younger people are like, let's just stop. Let's just move on. Let's let Pete Buttig get married and leave him alone. It's nice that he's religious and married. And so the statistics are really quite glaring, actually, in terms of young versus old, which is fascinating. So, yeah, I think, yeah, definitely Gen Z is a different group of people, including around issues around women. And I don't think he feels...”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Eloquent. He was, you know He really did a really good job. And I look at so my two sons, my older son is in college, his first semester of college, he went to Greece, and his roommate was transgender. And it was like, he didn't even Think that it was like, oh, by the way, my roommate's transgender, my younger son has roomed with transgender students at youth group retreats. But I think for this generation, they just have different attitudes towards humans.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's hard to do that. I've had several people recently come up to me and saying, shouldn't we just give everyone a buy now who isn't that bad? I'm like, I don't know. I don't believe I said I don't know. And then I said, no, let's not. It was interesting. It was an interesting question, but you see that more and more. Right. So where do we go from here? So, okay, there's more though. Okay, good. I like it. I want more. Gen Z. Great.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think it's just, I think the awareness is massive. Now, how much people should pay for that is a good question. Right. You know what I mean? That's really probably they won't pay that much, whatever you think of it. There probably won't. People are going to just give it a buy because it's not like Harvey Weinstein level behavior. No”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it is a level awareness. I mean, look at this stuff around Biden. I mean, you know, even though he seems functionally unable to say, I'm sorry to anybody, it's a really awareness of what he's doing. I think I don't think he'll be grabbing anybody again ever again in his life, like or touching them without their permission.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay. So we talked about the awareness in Silicon Valley. And there is this genuine surprise about the men, you know, for men not understanding, which you've identified also. The second reason is the next generation of men. So, from the research, I looked at the data of sexual harassment, of women under 40 versus over 40 And those under 40 only 53% only 53% have had an unwanted sexual advance. And those of us over 40, 65% The same is true in the advertising community. And we can be cynical and we can say the reason that happened is that the more conferences you go to and the more you travel internationally, there's more chances to meet a schmuck, right? Right, a schmuck. Or you can say, you know what, this younger generation of men are more aware and just better actors.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People. Okay, so he's a good guy. So thus the quantitative reasons, but there's other qualitative reasons that I am personally optimistic.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right. So that's the good. Is there any company? Well, you know, I don't know. I was, you know, Mark Benioff is one of the good.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Acceptance of women underrepresented good programs, not these ridiculous let's hire unusually looking people to like do our diversity programs You know they do like they don't give them teeth they don't give them true teeth to really change things right”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. Paul, positivity. I know, not about Pollyanna, but I really like ideas. Okay. Six and ten have said that their company has launched a diversity and inclusion program, which is neither here. Everyone's doing that. But among those, half have said that the programs have actually helped the atmosphere and acceptance of women”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So there's like, you know, what I've heard is like now men are afraid to go have lunch with women, blah, blah, blah. Like, that's not some.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay. Okay. Has the focus on gender biased in Silicon Valley and Me Too been helpful or harmful to the industry? 58% helpful.”
2019-06-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Michele Madansky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT