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Monica Lewinsky

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first: 2021-09-30
most recent: 2021-09-30
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“And I get that that may sound contradictory to some people of like, because look, I understand it's hard to sometimes understand these bigger bizarre scenarios that we just haven't lived in, especially if it's in different worlds of like, well, then why don't you just go be a private person? And I tried. It didn't work”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. Well, I think that I've had to confront it in so many different ways because of most of my friends or my age and to watch them go through these normal maturation milestones of falling in a mature love and getting married and having children. And that was what I wanted. I think that I would have liked to have had a quieter, more normal life. So for now, I'm grateful that I've got purpose and I'm grateful that I've got movement in my life. And it seems like there's kind of, I don't feel like the political history and the people who are part of that political history that they've receded in some ways on the political stage, that it's just not their thumb is not on the scale of me for my future. Know if that makes sense.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know and how the story was told, and so I hope that what also settles in, and we're seeing this more and more in society from so many different ways, which is that we consider the less powerful, often the woman or someone from a marginalized group, we consider their perspective, we consider their role. We consider them as being affected by what's happening. And I hope that sort of infects the culture a little bit too.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That so much was rested, so much of the blame and shame was rested on my shoulders. And then the other is, you know, the avenue that was interesting to me about getting involved with this project was really telling the story through the three women who were on the margins of power.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of the things that I, you know, that was so compelling to me about working with Nina Jacobson and Brad Simpson and Rye Murphy on this series, you know, the anthology they've created. Is that at the heart of the American crime story anthology, it is about what crimes we the American people commit? Where do we play a part in these stories that we come and look at? You know, we gawk like we see a car accident. So that's, you know, I think there's, I don't know that there are any heroes in what happened in 1998. You know, it's and but I think that is that's part of what it is. And what I hope people will take away is really a few things. One is I hope it impacts people emotionally so that this doesn't happen to another young person again, that we don't, you know, it's of course young people and older people are going to get into inappropriate relationships. I'm not saying that. I'm not that naive. But this idea.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hear from people how much it helps others, it helps them either feel less alone, it helps show them that there's a different way. And so there's meaning to that for me. You know, it's about other things too. I'm not a totally selfless person. But, you know, it's.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In different ways. And I think that this is just, we're also now living in different social times. This story is about real people and I'm involved in it, but it's also about something bigger. It reflects something bigger in our society. And so as our society changes, there are different ways that this story feels relevant. So I'm so grateful. I have a first look deal at 20th Television now and I'm embarking on this career as a producer and looking at stories that are in part shaped by my lens of experiences but are not about me. But I may revisit, you know, I also hear from people, you probably hear this too, from like I remember a few months ago you wrote a really moving op-ed and you make yourself vulnerable, you pour yourself onto a page or into a project and it hurts and it's hard.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's how you are able to help shape the narrative. It's how you hold on to your narrative. I lost my narrative was stolen and then I lost it by trying to recede, trying to run away from everything that happened for many years. And part of the work I had to do was accepting that I was going to have to integrate my past. And I also think too that it's this story has stayed in the cultural zeitgeist for over 20 years. Let me say it another way. Had this story somehow miraculously been erased from history. And I still lived with the experiences. I would not be out here talking about them. But the truth is that the Clinton stayed in the spotlight, in the political spotlight for many, many years, which was part of that, part of, you know, sort of kept the story alive.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would probably falsely encourage them to take it because we need smart people and we need passionate and dedicated people to step into public service and in government in these things. I think for me it's just wrapped too much in regret.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I agree. And also, I think alongside that, or as part of that, is also our ability to think out loud, our ability to find our way in conversations and, you know, create change, you have to have some margin of error for what you think or what you say or the words you choose or the stumbling that we do as we're learning. And so I think that's also at risk here too, you know.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tristan Harris talks a lot about this. He did the social dilemma and we interviewed him for our doc as well. But yes, I agree 100%. And we also have to point out we as consumers, did you walk away from Twitter? I mean, I'm not on Facebook very much anymore because of. Know, because of those reasons, but I haven't walked away from social media to make a sort of cultural, political moral point. I'm still there. And so I think that is, you know, it's the same thing. It's that idea of really in a way what we saw in 98 too, of people saying enough of this scandal, but they kept buying it. They kept clicking on it. And so that. Know there is a hundred percent, I think that there are people who need to be held more responsible.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, the work I've done in the last several years, I've really advocated for trying to bring more empathy and compassion to the internet, I think, and this kind of idea of click with compassion and understanding our clicks have consequences. I think at this point with the documentary where we're really looking at is kind of trying to begin a bigger conversation that sure, people are talking about cancel culture, of course, but this really in a, you know, it's only 90 minutes, but it kind of has this 360 degree look at in a way like what are all the different avenues that have led us here? How did we get here and where are we going? And I think that at this point, we really are, it's up to us. It is, I mean, it's up to us. to demand the law is changing it's up to us to hold social media companies responsible”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sure, and elevated which existed before, but I think really sort of mushroomed the idea of misinformation and disinformation and the use of the internet as a vehicle for those things. We're still seeing the consequences of that. But I agree with you. We become more tribal. We become siloed more in our viewpoints, which have meant we don't even have the channels or the ability to hear a different opinion and actually consider something different.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Piece of information, and we have a reaction and we get on some kind of a train and we pick up our stone and we just start pelting people. And when you find out sort of a bigger story, you know what's beneath the headline. It can often be really surprising.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Executive produced a documentary that's coming out next week, actually. 15 minutes of shame that the documentary is really sort of an outstretch from or output from these experiences in that sense of this is where we are in the world now. You know, we talk to private people who became public because of internet harassment, whether it's mistakes they made or not. And you really can see You really get a sense of both not only what it feels like to have that tsunami of hate and harassment coming towards you, but also I think, you know, in some of the stories they'll be familiar to people and there's a sense you get to understand what happens in context. That's the other thing with the internet is it's sort of it's an incisive moment where we get this”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But that became a turning point because what I saw in that moment, it was sort of the intersection of emotion and a change in society where I came to see, okay, this kid did nothing wrong. He hadn't made a mistake at all. And this is what was happening to him. And this was the proliferation of, this is where the internet had grown to, you know, from 98. I mean, I think one of the biggest changes too that the internet provided both of being both of being sort of permanent that it never went away, instantly global. And you could also, anybody could get visibility, which is something you didn't really have, you know.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and that definitely feels apt for me. You know, I think the turning point for me really came around 2010. It really was an incident that I was able to see through my mom's eyes what had happened, you know, her experience of what had happened to me. And it was through the story of Tyler Clemente, who had been a young college freshman who had been captured videoed being intimate with another man and the threat of that on the internet and the sort of shame and ridicule that came with that for him. A few days later died by suicide jumping from the George Washington Bridge. And I could feel the anguish and the pain that my mom had for his parents and that fear resurfacing of what she had felt for me. And my dad and stepmom and stepdad had all felt that as well for me.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Thank you. Yes, I feel now I've been able to give a purpose to my past. I like the passion part in the middle there of what you were saying too, but there's this great Andre Mulro quote about, I think she did not come back from hell empty-handed. And I think that is definitely...”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Character was flawed, but I certainly think people have gotten to know me for my true self now. And while yes, I've matured and I've evolved, I am fundamentally, you know, people who've known me my whole life or from pre-98 would tell you I'm the same person, my heart and my soul are the same.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Correct, nor being an incredibly powerful person even after he left office, it's a little empty to sort of say he felt awful about how my life had been derailed as if his actions hadn't contributed. You know, that's not to take away my own responsibility, my own choices, but there were so many moments. I think there were so many different ways publicly or privately. He could have made sure that my life got back on track, you know, and it was partially derailed. Again, I'm not putting all the blame on him, but partially derailed because of the way he chose to litigate everything in 98, because of his strategy he chose to be dismissive, to paint me as someone who just came in and surfaced him and allowed and really set the playbook and allowed for people to just desecrate my character. Again, my”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I don't know maybe because of, you know, we've also seen this, that sort of parallel with Trump that, you know, that there are certain people for whom their supporters will just overlook anything or maybe it's the time in which the social times in which we're living, I'm not sure.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was definitely a comment that was reflective also of the times too, that he could say that and nobody batted an eyelash.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“How I feel now is just very distant. I don't wish anything negative to happen to him. I'm not bitter. I mean, I think he could have made different choices in so many different places. And I'm now thankfully at a place where I feel like I have a bit of a career in a future and I'm able to support myself. And at this point, it's really just about these are the choices he's made. He'll come to the end of his life one day like we all do. He'll have to reconcile those choices, reconcile if he wished he had cleaned up those messes.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly, your crisis text line is a great. That's a great resource, too. I think it's, I have, I think also sometimes around mental health, there's this, you know, we often hear stories where you might somebody might talk about having a moment of not wanting to be here anymore. And they make it through, but you don't realize that you can have many moments like that in your life. And that the only thing that is better about it is that each time you make it through, it gets a little easier to try to find the lifeboat of I've gotten through this before. I can do it again.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, I eventually got a therapist. I didn't have a therapist at the time, and so I got a forensic psychiatrist a couple weeks into the investigation effort after it had become public. And it was just, I think a lot of people who have ever had suicidal ideations find themselves in a moment where it's just a moment of grace. Like, you know, two roads diversion in the woods and the forensic psychiatrist picked up the phone. And so I was.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so but throughout, I mean, I talk about it in my TED Talk, I reference, you know, and it was that night when hours and hours later when I was finally after my mom came from New York and I was finally able to go home, it was around one in the morning. And I was so distraught. My mom made me shower with the bathroom door open. So, I mean, there was that concern. And throughout throughout the investigation, there were a number of points where I was lucky my”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh my goodness. Yeah, as more of an adult now, I think back, how is there not a protocol like that's a point where you're supposed to bring a psychologist in or, you know, something? How is that not a breaking point in whatever their plan for prom night was, as they called the operation?”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I just couldn't see a way out. And I thought maybe that was the solution and had even asked, you know, which is this is also an interesting point of just I had asked the OIC lawyers about what happens if I die, you know.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, I think particularly that day, it was, you know, you also have to remember when you put that moment in context, the previous several months had been very much tumultuous. So already my emotional state, my mental health was wobbly at that point. And I just, I still loved the president. I didn't want this to become public. I mean, I went to extreme, yes, I understand it's hard for people to get that because I blab to, you know, a handful of people, which ironically for me at the time, I thought I was being discreet. So welcome to 22. But, you know, I think that I just, this idea of this becoming public, my dad is an upstanding doctor in the Meadow. Community, just what this would do to the whole of my family, anybody who shared my last name.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some of which I didn't even know what suborning perjury meant, you know, so yeah, it was terrifying. It was really terrifying.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. I mean, I really was not supported by the left. I was not supported by the right. And it was a very painful and terrifying place to be, especially when you put that under the umbrella of legal jeopardy. So that this wasn't just a PR crisis for me. I mean, I literally was facing the grand jury was seated in the United States versus Lewinsky. So it was challenging”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would hope not. I'm not 100% sure that we're Quite as far from that if it were a handsome young Democratic president who was quote unquote good to women. I don't know, but I would hope so.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“22 more times inappropriate for him. I mean, look, I think you obviously live in this world of politics. I think we can very easily imagine someone charismatic like President Obama who, you know, a girl smiles broader than she should or you sense that energy and he smiles back and he moves on and he thinks, I still got it, you know, and moves on and whatever that is. And there were millions of people like me, you know. Everybody, I mean, especially because Bill Clinton was incredibly charismatic. Yeah. And seductive.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, and it was several months of that flirtation that had gone back and forth. It was all inappropriate, right? So, I mean, inappropriate for me to”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I've heard from a few people who maybe didn't quite catch because a number of scenes were sort of nestled in a flashback, that it was, I guess I bristle a little at pursuit because he began flirting with me and I responded.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, I think one of the things that certainly is complicated about a 10 hour series when you're taking several years of interactions that happened and condensing it and it's not just my narrative, it's three women's narratives.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was always interesting, and I learned a lot that even things from Mr. Bacon of how he did press briefings that stayed with me, of you always have to put a statistic in context. You know, once you give people a number, it's like, but what does that number mean if you don't know how often it happens or doesn't happen?”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a great experience. I was in Bosnia in 1996, a really incredible experience and travel to places I never would have normally traveled to and military planes and went helicopters. And it also provided me with the observations of Washington too to see how really, you know, nowadays our the biggest commodity is attention. But in DC, it's information. And information is treated so differently at the White House. If I know something and you as my colleague don't know it, it makes me more powerful. At the Pentagon, if I know something and you as my colleague don't, our boss could be up Schittz Creek. And there's just a lot less ego around information at the Pentagon. And it just”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I imagine you were there even if you weren't working in the White House that it's a very chaotic day of having to coordinate and organize different talking points and things which are going to the hill, but it was, I mean, I worked every day. I had the job there at the Pentagon. I worked in, I was the assistant to the spokesman, Ken Bacon at the time. And so, and in that role, he always traveled wherever the Secretary of Defense went. And when they went international, I went as support.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the White House, when I was hired, I worked in legislative affairs, and so that was really interesting to me and fascinating, even though I knew very little about the hill. I was working the correspondence section, but certainly we'll never forget the day of the State of the Union, which I'm sure you remember these.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So my essay, I wasn't, you know, I remember my housemates in Portland watching the war room documentary, you know, in the living room. But I wasn't particularly political. And in fact, my essay that I wrote for my internship, I talked about having been a psychology major where we study the mind of the individual and the White House as the mind of the country. I don't know. So that's why I think I ended up writing instead of just Xeroxing for my internship. I have no problem claiming where I earned something on my own merit, but we also had a family friend who is a donor who helped me get the internship.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Nope. So my plan was to get a PhD in forensic psychology and I had taken the GREs and scored well enough, but there was one section in the psych specific test that I didn't do well enough on to get into a PhD program. And I had been advised at the time of, well, if you want a PhD, it's useless to just go get a master's because if you go somewhere else, you'll have to retake a lot of the credits. So DC was a pit stop on my way to graduate school, you know, this sort of moment at the time of like, well, it can't hurt to have this on my resume. Well, it turns out.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know because of whatever those experiences were, or they're looking for some kind of a validation in a different way. And, you know, I think with a lot of my choices, I was taught better. I knew better and I made bad choices.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Had kissed me at the end of a two hour conversation in a parking lot at high school at the high school. And that then sort of began a connection. And the next time like we sort of crossed a line, he was, I think then engaged and then got Married It moved from there And so it was, you know, I had boyfriends here and there, normal boyfriends while I was growing up. And I think that there was definitely, I think you find that there are people who've had sexual boundaries crossed in their lives who just totally shut down and they just don't go anywhere near relationships. And then there are people who maybe make really poor choices because they're actually terrified of intimacy.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Summits, I think it was referenced in episode four last night that I had had an experience at camp when I was 14 of But again, I had a crush on an older counselor, so there is that thing there, I think, that And before there were conversations around consent and discussions that I found myself in a situation where he had gone much farther sexually, I had an unwanted sexual experience where. He stopped when I asked him to stop, but technically I lost my virginity then. So that was, I think, that impacted then a lot of other that's, of course, going to impact how one relates with the other men in their lives. And it impacts the choices. And then when I was 17. A young 23, 24 year old handsome at the time, or to me at the time teacher, guy who had been my teacher briefly.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably influenced and impacted me more and impacted my relationship with my dad more and therefore other men than sort of that neatly tied up package of, oh, I just have father issues.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think you need to be a psychologist to have asked those questions. I mean, this is a common for many of my friends who did not end up in global scandals. I think that this is a common thing. We're almost always closer to one parent than another. We're more similar to one parent than another. And I think that the kinds of things you're saying, there's definitely some truth to it. I think what in some ways what happened for me is I had experiences when I was younger, like when I was 14 and ones that were younger than that, that I didn't even know I compartmentalized and shoved away. We didn't even have language for it back then. And I think that actually some of those experiences”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, no, not pejorative way, of course. In the wake of my parents' divorce, I think that there was a lot of tumult and I was with my mom most of the time. And I think that, you know, this is also, you have to remember this was like the early, this is no, the late 80s. And so, this is a period of time where You have some psychologists seeing people, it's kind of gone outside that realm of your only really mentally unstable if you have a psychologist, but it's not as commonplace as it is now. And so I think we all didn't have, I mean, I was only 14. I definitely didn't have the tools to navigate these things. But my relationship with my dad was rocky. And I think that there were I look like my mom, I sound like my mom, you know. So I'm sure there were times that he didn't even realize where the cross might have been.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know that there was this hope that we could always become that. And now that was shattered when I was 14 and my parents divorced. Know, if you were interviewing my mom, she would tell you she was never strong enough to have such a strong willed child. So she wasn't, she couldn't really discipline me.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so But at the same time, when I think back to my childhood, I don't remember a lot of moments of joy. You know, I mean, I see pictures and I'm sure, you know, my parents tell me these stories, but I think that I always felt that there was some like a cloud of angst that was kind of always over me. And my parents' relationship, it was hard. I definitely wanted to be, you know, like so typical psychology. I wanted to be daddy's little girl and my dad was raised by German Jews and I think didn't quite know how to do that. And I really, in some ways, I feel like I couldn't actually understand the dysfunction or the difficulties until my parents actually got divorced. And that was when I realized, I saw myself struggling to hold on to the fantasy, like of what I thought my fan. Was or what I wanted my family to be.”
2021-09-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 461 — Monica Lewinsky · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source