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Mustafa Suleyman

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“I think one of the most beautiful places I remember going to as a child was Windermere Lake in the Lake District. And I was pretty young on a dinghy with some family members. And I just remember it being incredibly serene and beautiful and calm. I actually haven't been back there since, but that was a pretty beautiful place.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Potentially use that power to cause harm to others. This is part of the challenge, right? In this networked globalized world, a tiny group of people who wish to deliberately cause harm are going to have access to tools that can instantly quickly have large scale impact on many, many other people. And that's the challenge of proliferation is preventing those bad actors from getting access to the means to completely destabilize our world. That's what containment is about.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In some ways, the downside of that, I think failure is not achieving a world of radical abundance, in my opinion. And more importantly, failure is a failure to contain, right?”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You could use that free energy to grow your own food. You could grow it in a desert because you would have adapted seeds and so on. You would have, you know. Desalination and so on, that really changes the structure of cities, it changes the structure of nations. It means that you really can live in quite different ways for very extended periods without contact with the kind of center. I mean, I'm actually not a huge advocate of that kind of libertarian, you know, wet dream, but like, I think if you think about it in theory, it's kind of a really interesting dynamic. That's what proliferation of power means. Power isn't just about access to intelligence. It's about access to these tools which allow you to take control of your own destiny and your life and create meaning and purpose in the way that you might envision. And that's incredibly creative, incredibly creative time. That's what success looks like to me.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think it's going to quite take that form. I actually think it's going to be that we basically reduce the cost of producing basic goods so that you're not as dependent on income. Like imagine if you did have basically free energy.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Other opportunities. I think that's an easier problem to solve, and I think it's an amazing problem. Like many people really don't want to work, right? They want to pursue their passion and their hobby and all the things that you talk about and so on. And absolutely, like we're now, I think, going to be heading towards a world where we can liberate people from the shackles of work unless you really want to.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm sure it does. We live in a world of food abundance in the west and our biggest problem is obesity. I'll take that problem in the grand scheme of everything”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh man, that is a better problem to have than what we've just been talking about for the last like 90 minutes. And I think that's wonderful. Isn't that amazing?”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I honestly think that if we succeed this is going to be the most productive and the most meritocratic moment in the history of our species, we are about to make intelligence widely available to hundreds of millions if not billions of people, and that is going to make us smarter and much more creative and much more productive. And I think over the next few decades, we will solve many of our biggest social challenges. I really believe that. I really believe we're going to reduce the cost of energy production, storage and distribution to zero marginal cost. We're going to reduce the cost of producing healthy food and make that widely available to everybody. And I think Same trajectory with healthcare, with transportation, with education, with I think that ends up producing radical abundance over a 30-year period.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Read, listen, use the tools, try to make the tools, understand the current state of regulation, see which organizations are organizing around it, like, you know, campaign groups, activism groups, you know, find solidarity, connect with other people, spend time online, ask these questions, mention it at the pub, you know, ask your parents, ask your mum how she's reacting to talking to Alexa or whatever it is that she might do. Pay attention. I think that's already enough, and there's only to be more prescriptive than that because I think people are creative and independent and will it be obvious to you what you as an individual feel you need to contribute in this moment provided you're paying attention”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would say knowledge is power embrace, understand, grapple with the consequences, don't look the other way when it feels scary, and do everything you can to understand and participate and shape because it is coming.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Seemed to point to. And that's really what is emerging here. It's this parallel digital space that is going to live alongside with and in relation to our physical world.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is a world that we're kind of already in. You know, the last three years people have been talking about metaverse, metaverse, metaverse. And the mischaracterization of the metaverse was that it's over there. It was this like virtual world that we would all bop around in and talk to each other as these little characters. But that was totally wrong. That was a complete misframing. The metaverse is already here. It's the digital space that exists in parallel time to our everyday life. It's the conversation that you will have on Twitter or, you know, the video that you'll post on YouTube or this podcast that will go out and connect with other people. It's that meta space of interaction. I use meta to mean beyond this space, not just that weird other over their space that people.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Pretty much, right? Whether it's a phone or an iPad or a desktop versus how much time you spend looking into the eyes of your friends and your loved ones And so to me, it's like we're already there in a way. You know, what I meant by that was, you know,”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A little bit is not just in my head and a few other people at DeepMind and OpenAI and other places that have been talking about it for a long time.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think. Is kind of exhausting and exhilarating in equal measure because for me it is beautiful to see people interact with AIs and get huge benefit out of it. I mean, you know, every day now millions of people have a super smart tool in their pocket that is making them wiser and healthier and happier, providing emotional support, answering questions of every type, making you more intelligent. And so on the face of it, in the short term, that feels incredible. It's amazing what we're all building. In the longer term, it is exhausting to keep making this argument and have been doing it for a long time. And in a weird way, I feel a bit of a sense of relief in the last six months because after ChatGPT and this wave feels like it started to arrive and everybody gets it. So I feel like it's a shared problem now. And that feels nice.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it does. I mean, every day, every day. I mean, I've been working on this for many years now, and it's. Know it's emotionally a lot to take in. It's hard to think about. Far out future and how your actions today, our actions collectively, our weaknesses, our failures, that irritation that I have that we can't. Learn the lessons from the pandemic, right? Like all of those moments where you feel the frustration of governments not working properly or corporations not listening or some of the obsessions that we have in culture where we're debating like small things, you know, and you're just like, whoa. We need to focus on the big picture here.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To proactively do our best to do the right thing, right? And I think that if you were a tobacco company back in the day or an oil company back in the day and your legal charter said that your directors are liable if they don't meet the criteria of stewarding your work in a way that doesn't just optimize profit, which is what all companies are incentivized to do at the moment talking about incentives, but actually in equal measure attend to the importance of doing good in the world. To me, that's a incremental but important innovation in how we organize society and how we incentivize our work. So it doesn't solve everything. It's not a panacea, but that's my effort to try and take a small step in the right direction.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Basically all my time. I mean, building and creating is about understanding how these models work, what their limitations are, how to build it safely and ethically. I mean, we have designed the structure of the company to focus on the safety and ethics aspect. So, for example, we are a public benefit corporation, which is a new type of corporation, which gives us a legal obligation to balance profit making with the consequences of our actions as a company on the rest of the world, the way that we affect the environment, the way that we affect people, the way that we affect users, people who aren't users of our products. And that's a really interesting, I think, an important new direction. It's a new evolution in corporate structure because it says we have a responsibility.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I didn't say it is possible. I said it must be, right? This is what we keep discussing. That's an important distinction. Is that on the face of it? Look, I care about. I care about science, I care about facts, I care about describing the world as I see it. And what I've set out to do in the book is describe a set of interlocking incentives which drive a technology production process which produces potentially really dangerous outcomes. And what I'm trying to do is frame those outcomes in the context of the containment problem and say, this is the big challenge of the 21st century. Containment is the challenge. And if it isn't possible, then we have serious issues. And on the face of it, like I've said in the book, I mean, the first chapter is called Containment is Not Possible, right? The last chapter is called containment must be possible for all our sakes. It must be possible. But I agree with you that I'm not saying it is. I'm saying...”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know every single time, and we're just going to go and allow these autonomous weapons to have these autonomous military robots to have lethal force. I think that's something that we should really resist. I don't think we want to have autonomous robots that have lethal force.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, autonomous cars, I think, are slightly different because autonomous cars operate within a much more constrained physical domain, right? Like, you know, you really can, the containment strategies for autonomous cars are actually quite reassuring. They have GPS control. We know exactly all the telemetry and how exactly all of those components on board a car operate. And we can observe repeatedly that it behaves exactly as intended, right? Whereas I think with other forms of autonomy that people might be pursuing, like online, Know where you have an AI that is like designed to self improve without any human oversight or a battlefield weapon, which, you know, like unlike a car hasn't been over that particular moment in the battlefield millions of times, but is actually facing a new enemy.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Will, I think the odds are low. I can only do my best. I'm doing my best to advocate for it. I mean, you know, like I'll give you an example. Autonomy is a type of AI capability that we should not be pursuing.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. Well, foot and mouth disease clearly didn't cause enough harm because it only killed a bunch of cattle, right? And the pandemic, we can't see COVID-19 pandemic, we can't seem to agree that it really was from a lab and not from bunch of bats. And so. That's where I struggle where now you catch me in a moment where I feel angry and sad and pessimistic because to me, that's like a straightforwardly obvious conclusion that this is the type of research that we should be closing down. And I think we should be using these moments to give us insight and wisdom about how we handle other technology trajectories in the next few decades. We should, we should, that's what I'm advocating for must. That's the best I can do. I want to know.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We should just not be doing gain a function research on what planet could we possibly persuade ourselves that we can overcome the containment problem in biology because we've proven that we can't. Because it could have potentially got out. And there's a number of other examples of where it did get out of other diseases like foot and mouth disease. Back in the 90s in the UK.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Or if there is a threat of mutually assured destruction. And that's the case that I'm trying to make is that let's not wait for something catastrophic to happen so it's self-evident that we all have to work towards containment, right? I mean, you would have thought that the potential threat, the potential idea that COVID-19 was. A side effect, let's call it, of a laboratory in Wuhan that was exploring gain of function research, where it was deliberately trying to basically make the pathogen more transmissible. You would have thought that warning to all of us. Let's not even debate whether it was or wasn't, but just the fact that it's conceivable that it could be. That should really, in my opinion, have forced all of us to instantly agree that this kind of research should just be shut down”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because the concentration of talent there is overwhelming all the very best people are there in AI and software engineering. So I think it's quite likely that that's going to remain the case for the foreseeable future. But in the long term, you're totally right. It's another coordination problem. How do we get nation states to collectively agree that we want to try and contain, that we want to slow down? Because as we've discussed with the proliferation of dangerous materials or on the military side, there's no use one person doing it or one country doing it if others race ahead. And that's the conundrum that we face.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right. So the way to think about this is what are the strategies for containment if we are agreed that long term we want to contain that is closed down, slow down control, both the proliferation of these technologies and the way the really big AIs are used, then the way to do that is to tax things. Tax things, taxing things slows them down. And that's what you're looking for. Provided you can coordinate internationally. So you're totally right that some people will move to Singapore or to Abu Dhabi or Dubai or whatever. The reality is that at least for the next sort of period, I would say 10 years or so, the concentrations of intellectual horsepower will remain the big megacities. I moved from London in 2020 to go to Silicon Valley and I started my new company in Silicon Valley.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, we now have the second largest supercomputer in the world today, at least just for this next six months we will. Other people will catch up soon. But we're ahead of the curve. We're very lucky. Cost a billion dollars. And those chips are really the raw commodity that we use to”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so choke points refers to points in the supply chain where you can throttle who has access to what. So on the internet today everyone thinks of the internet as an idea, this kind of abstract cloud thing that hovers around above our heads. But really the internet is a bunch of cables. Those cables are physical things that transmit information under the sea and those points, the end points can be stopped and you can monitor traffic, you can control basically what traffic moves back and forth. And then the second choke point is access to chips. So the GPUs, graphics processing units, which are used to train these super large clusters.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think it has to be like that. I think that's the challenge of containment, is to reduce the number of actors that have access to the existential threat technologies to an absolute minimum and then use the existing military and economic incentives which have driven world order and peace so far to prevent the proliferation of access to these super intelligences or these AGIs.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. And that's why I'm saying the brutal truth of that is that it takes a catastrophe to trigger. The need for alignment. So that's one. The second is where there is an obvious mutually assured destruction, you know, where both parties are afraid that this would trigger nuclear meltdown, right? And that means suicide.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So the really painful answer to that question is that we've only really ever driven extreme compromise and consensus in two scenarios. One, off the back of unimaginable catastrophe and suffering, you know, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the Holocaust and World War II, which drove ten years of consensus and new political structures. And then the second is...”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Direction, we're resorting to the old school language of a clash of civilizations with like China is the new enemy. They're going to come to dominate us. We have to dominate them. It's a battle between two poles. China's taking over Africa. China's taking over the Middle East. We have to count. I mean, it's just like that can only lead to conflict. That just assumes that conflict is inevitable. And so when I say it regulation is not enough, no amount of good regulation in the UK or in Europe or in the US is going to deal with that clash of civilizations language, which we seem to have been become addicted to.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What is the global strategy for containment that has the ability to introduce friction when necessary to implement the precautionary principle and to basically keep the peace? I think is the missing governance piece which we have to invent in the next 20 years. And it's insane because I'm basically describing the UN Security Council, plus the World Trade Organization, all these huge, you know, global institutions which formed after the horrors of the Second World War have actually been incredible. They've created interdependence and alignment and stability. Obviously, there's been a lot of bumps along the way in the last 70 years, but broadly speaking, it's an unprecedented period of peace. And when there's peace, we can create prosperity. And that's actually what we're lacking at the moment is that we don't have an international mechanism for coordinating among competing nations, competing corporations to drive the peace. In fact, we're actually going kind of in the opposite direction.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. That's another one of the problems short termism is everywhere. Who is responsible for thinking about the twenty year future? I mean, that's a deep question, right? I mean, the world is happening to us on a decade-by-decade timescale. It's also happening hour by hour. So change is just ripping through us and this arbitrary window of governance of like a four-year election cycle where actually it's not even four years because by the time you've got in you do some stuff for six months and then by month you know 12 or 18 you're starting to think about the next cycle and are you going to pull you know this is like the short-termism is killing us right and we don't have an institutional body whose responsibility is stability You could think of it as a, you know. Like a global technology stability function.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Giving it up to companies or small groups of people. We need lots of different people experimenting with strategies for containment.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't really understand enough about the detail today. You know, in their defense, they're rapidly trying to wrap their head around it, especially in the last six months. And that's a great relief to me because I feel the burden is now increasingly shared. And, you know, just from a personal perspective, I'm like, I feel like I've been saying this for about a decade. And just in the last six months, now everyone's coming at me and saying like, you know, what's going on? I'm like, great. This is the conversation we need to be having because everybody can start to see the glimmers of the future. Like what will happen if a chat GPT-like product or a pie like product really does improve over the next 10 years? And so when I say regulation is not enough, what I mean is it needs movements, it needs culture, it needs people who are actually building and making, you know, in modern creative critical ways, not just like...”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's right. And the EU have a huge piece of regulation called the EU AI Act. President Joe Biden has gotten his own set of proposals and we've been working with both Rishi Sunak and Biden and trying to contribute and shape it in the best way that we can. Look, it isn't going to happen without regulation. So regulation is essential. It's critical. Again, going back to the precautionary principle. But at the same time, regulation isn't enough. You know, I often hear people say, well, we'll just regulate it. We'll just stop. We'll just stop. We'll just stop. We'll slow down. And the problem with that is that it kind of ignores the fact that the people who are putting together the regulation”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's true. It's true. It's sort of pulling on a thread. This is a crazy spiral. Yeah, I mean, like, I think in the short term, it's made me way less afraid because I don't see that kind of existential harm that we've been talking about in the next decade or two. But longer term, that's where I struggle to wrap my head around how things play out in 30 years.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Cheeky question. No, but that's what you just said. Yes and no, you're totally right. Yes, it has in the sense that, you know, the problem is the more you learn, the more you realize.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Understand right what reduces fear is deep understanding. Spend time playing with these models. Look at their weaknesses. They're not superhumans yet. They make tons of mistakes. They're crappy in lots of ways. They're actually not that hard to make.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I believe that the best way to demonstrate how to build safe and contained AI is to actually experiment with it in practice. And I think that if we are just skeptics or critics and we stand back from the cutting edge, then we give up that opportunity to shape outcomes, to all of those other actors that we referred to, whether it's like China and the US going at each other's throats or other big companies that are purely pursuing profit at all costs. And so it doesn't solve all the problems, of course. It's super hard. And again, it's full of contradictions. But I honestly think it's the right way for everybody to proceed.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Low light conditions, and they were able to consume more information and got smarter. And so that is the trajectory of technology. It's this iterative interplay between, you know, human and machine that makes us better over time.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so that was a paper that came out a few months ago, two months ago, that showed that a human was actually able to beat the cutting edge Go program, even one that was better than Alpha Go with a new strategy that they had discovered. Obviously, it's not just a sort of game over environment where the AI just arrives and it gets better. Like humans also adapt. They get super smart. Like I say, get more cynical, ask, you know, good questions, invent their own things, use their own AIs to adapt. And that's the evolutionary nature of what it means to have a technology, right? I mean, everything is a technology. in a way. Like before there were glasses and people got bad eyesight that weren't able to read, suddenly those who did adopt those technologies were able to read for longer in their lives or under.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Although one of the interesting things that we found over the last few decades is that it so far tended to be the AI plus the human that is still dominating. That's the case in chess, in Go, in other games.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So that's kind of what I mean by that increasingly those AIs will get more capable and we'll want to use them for defensive purposes. And that's exactly what it looks like to have good, healthy, well-functioning, controlled AIs that serve us.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, we kind of already have that, right? So we have automated ways of detecting spam online these days. You know, most of the time there are machine learning systems which are trying to identify when your credit card is used in a fraudulent way. That's not a human sitting there looking at patterns of spending traffic in real time. That's an AI that is like flagging that something looks off. Likewise with data centers or security cameras, a lot of those security cameras these days are have tracking algorithms that look for surprising sounds or like if a glass window is smashed, that would be detected by an AI often that is listening on.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Will have a three or four factor authentication where you have to triangulate between multiple separate independent sources and it won't just be like call your bank manager and release the funds, right? This is where we need the creativity and energy and attention of everybody because Defense, the kind of defensive measures have to evolve as quickly as the potential offensive measures, the attacks that are coming.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People learn to identify them and be skeptical of them and reject them. Likewise, I'm sure many of us get text messages. I certainly get loads of text messages trying to fish me and ask me to meet up or do this, that and the other. And we've adapted, right? Now I think we should all know and expect that criminals will use these tools to manipulate us just as you described. I mean, you know, the voice is going to be human-like. The deep fake is going to be super convincing. And there are actually ways around those things. So, for example, the reason why the banks invented OTP one-time passwords where they send you a text message with a special code is precisely for this reason so that you have a 2FA, a two-factor authentication increasingly.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT