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Mustafa Suleyman

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“So Skepticism I think is healthy and necessary, and I think that we're going to need it even more than we ever did, right? And so if you think about how we've adapted to the first wave of this, which was spammy email scams, everybody got them, and over time.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And how we run our world. Not this kind of hyper aggressive adversarial paranoia tone that we talked about previously, but one that is like much more wise than that, much more accepting that we are unleashing this force that does have that potential to be the Rott Riler that you described, but that we must contain that as our number one priority. That has to be the thing that we focus on, because otherwise it contains us.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Running around looking for food and trying to stop, you know, our enemies throwing rocks at us. And we've had this incredible period of five hundred years where, you know, each year things have broadly, well, maybe each century, let's say, there's been a few ups and downs, but things have broadly got better. And we're on a trajectory for lifespans to increase and quality of life to increase and health and well-being to improve. And I think that's because in many ways we have succeeded in containing forces that appear to be more powerful than ourselves. It just requires unbelievable creativity and adaptation. It requires compromise, and it requires a new tone, a much more humble tone to governance and politics.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that's actually a good example because we have actually contained Rottweiler's before, we've contained gorillas and, you know, tigers and crocodiles and pandemic pathogens and nuclear weapons. And so, you know, it's easy to be, you know, Hater on what we've achieved. But this is the most peaceful moment in the history of our species. This is a moment when our biggest problem is that people eat too much. Think about that We've spent our entire evolutionary period”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So they wear these, you know how you have like an organ donor tag or whatever. So they have a cryogenically frees me when I die tag. And so there's like a special ambulance services that will come pick you up because obviously you need to do it really quickly. The moment you die, you need to get put into a cryogenic freezer to preserve your brain forever. I personally think this is nuts. you know their belief is that you'll then be able to reboot that biological brain and then transfer you over It doesn't seem plausible to me.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's hard to say precisely, but broadly speaking, I haven't seen any evidence yet that we're able to extract the essence of a being from a brain, right? That kind of dualism that there is a mind and a body and a spirit, that is a much evidence for that, even in neuroscience. that actually it's much more one and the same so i don't think you know you're going to be able to emulate the entire brain so their thesis is that or some of them cryogenically store their brain after death”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Transhumanism, I mean, it's a group of people who Basically believe that That humans and our soul and our being will one day transcend or move beyond our biological substrate. So our physical body, our brain, our biology is just an enabler for your intelligence and who you are as a person. There's a group of kind of crackbots, basically, I think, who think that we're going to be able to upload ourselves to a silicon substrate, right? A computer that can hold the essence of what it means to be Stephen. So you in 2000. Could well still be you, by their reasoning, but you'll live on a server somewhere.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Has the cost of energy built into its production value? And so if you strip that out, everything is likely to get a lot cheaper. We'll be able to desalinate water. We'll be able to grow crops much, much cheaper. We'll be able to grow much higher quality food, right? It's going to power new forms of transportation. It's going to reduce the cost of drug production and healthcare. So all of those gains, obviously there'll be a huge commercial incentive to drive the production of those gains, but the cost of producing them is going to go through the floor. I think that's one key thing that a lot of people don't realize that is a reason to be hugely hopeful and optimistic about the future. Everything is going to get radically cheaper in 30 to 50 years.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wouldn't be working in that kind of environment. I mean, look, the other trajectory to add to this is the cost of energy production. No AI, if it really helps us solve Battery storage. Which is the missing piece, I think, to really tackle climate change, then we will be able to source basically source and store infinite energy from the sun. And I think in twenty or so years time, twenty, thirty years time, that is going to be a cheap and widely available, if not completely freely available resource. And if you think about it, everything in life.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Tomorrow you're going to have billions and billions of smartphones in minuscule wearable devices. There'll be cheap fridge magnets that are constantly on everywhere sensing all the time, monitoring, processing, analyzing, improving, optimizing. And they'll be super cheap. So it's super unclear what do you do with all of that knowledge and information. I mean, it's ultimately knowledge creates value. When you know the relationship between things, you can improve them, you know, make it more efficient. And so more data is what has enabled us to build all the value of online in the last 25 years. And so what does that look like in 150 years? I can't really even imagine, to be honest with you. It's very hard to say. I don't think everybody is going to be. To be working”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, it's like billions of billions times faster. It's much more than that. I mean, one way of thinking about it is like. A floppy disk, which I guess most people remember 1.4 megabytes Physical thing back in the day. In nineteen sixty or so that was basically an entire palette's worth of computer that was moved around by a forklift truck, right? Which is insane. Today, you know, you have billions and billions of times that floppy disk in your smartphone, in your pocket.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A quantum computer is a completely different type of computing architecture, which in simple terms basically allows you to those calculations that I described at the beginning, billions and billions of flops, those billions of flops can be done in a single computation. So everything that you see in the digital world today relies on computers processing information. And the speed of that processing is a friction. It kind of slows things down, right? You remember back in the day, old school modems, 56K modem, the dial-up sound and the image pixel loading pixel by pixel. That was because the computers were slow. And we're getting to a point now where the computers are getting faster and faster and faster, and quantum computing is like a whole new leap, like way, way, way beyond where we currently are.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because Otherwise, I think you're in the camp of believing that this is the inevitable evolution of humans, the transhuman kind of view. Some people would argue, let's stretch the timelines out. So let's not talk about 30 years. Let's talk about 200 years. Like what is this gonna look like in twenty two hundred?”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that's what gives me reason to be hopeful because I think that we make progress by getting everybody paying attention to this. It isn't going to be about those who are currently the AI scientists or those who are the technologists, you know, like me or the venture capitalists or just the politicians. All of those people, no one's got answers. So that's what we have to confront. There are no obvious answers to this profound question. And I've basically written the book to say prove that I'm wrong. You know, containment must be possible. And”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think you can't give up, right? I think that in some ways your realization exactly what you've just described, like weighing up two conflicting and horrible truths about what is likely to happen, those contradictions, that is a kind of honesty and a wisdom, I think, that we need all collectively to realize. Because the only path through this is to be straight up and embrace the risks and embrace the default trajectory of all these competing incentives driving forward to kind of make this feel like inevitable. And if you put the blinkers on and you kind of just ignore it or if you just be super rosy and it's all going to be all right and if you say that we've always figured it out anyway, then we're not going to get the energy and the dynamism and engagement from everybody to try to figure this out.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of what we as humans can invent and solve, right? Especially with what we're facing in terms of population growth over the next 30 years and how climate change is going to affect that and so on. We really want these tools to turbocharge us, right? And yet it's that creativity and that invention, which obviously makes us also feel, well, maybe it is really going to do things that we don't like for sure, right?”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, the real challenge is that we actually want it to do those things. When it discovers a new strategy or it invents a new idea or it helps us find like a cure for some disease, that's why we're building it, right? Because we're reaching the limits.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The commentator actually thought it was a mistake. He was a pro and he was like, that's definitely a mistake. The Alpha Ghos lost the game.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We've never done it before, and every inch of our commerce and politics and our war and all of our instincts are just like clash, compete, clash, compete. Exactly dominate, fear them, be paranoid. Like now all this nonsense about China being this new evil, like how does that slip into our culture? How are we suddenly all shifted from thinking it's the Muslim terrorists about to blow us all up to now it's the Chinese who are about to blow up Kansas? It's just like, what are we talking about? Like we really have to pair back the paranoia and the fear and the othering because those are the incentive dynamics that are going to drive us to Cause self harm to humanity.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's possible to design an AI that doesn't have those self-improvement capabilities in the limit in like 30 or 50 years. I think that's kind of what I was saying is like it seems likely that if you have one like that, it's going to take advantage of infinite amounts of data and infinite amounts of computation and it's going to kind of outstrip our ability to act. And so I think we have to step back from that precipice. That's what the containment problem is, is that it's actually saying no sometimes. It's saying no. And that's a different sort of muscle that we've never really exercised as a civilization. And that's obviously why containment appears not to be possible.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think that comes back down to the containment challenge. I think that if we can't be confident that it's going to respect you and understand you and work for you and us as a species overall, then that's where we have to adopt the precautionary principle. I don't think we should be taking those kinds of risks in experimentation and design.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It depends how you design it. So I think that our goal, one of the challenges of containment, is to design AIs that we want to interact with, that want to interact with us. If you set an objective function for an AI, a goal for an AI by its design, which inherently disregards or disrespects you as a human and your goals, then it's going to wander off and do a lot of strange things.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's why I think that we should focus on containment and non proliferation, because some people, if they do have access to the technology, will want to take those risks and they will just want to see what's on the other side of the door, you know. And they might end up opening Pandora's box. And that's a decision that affects all of us. And that's the challenge of the networked age. You know, we live in this globalized world and we use these words like globalization and you sort of forget what globalization means. This is what globalization is. This is what a networked world is. It means that someone taking one small action can suddenly spread everywhere instantly.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I'm fundamentally a humanist, and I think that we have to make a choice to put our species first and find I think that that's what we have to be defending for the next 50 years. That's what we have to defend. Because look, it's certainly possible that we invent these AGIs in such a way that they are always going to be provably subservient to humans and take instructions from their human controller every single time. But enough of us think that we can't be sure about that. That I don't think we should take the gamble, basically.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's cheaper to use and cheaper to run. And that's, as we've said earlier, that's the natural trajectory of technologies that become useful. They get more efficient. They get cheaper and they spread further. And so that's the containment challenge. That's really the essence of what I'm sort of trying to raise in my book is to frame the challenge of the next 30 to 50 years as around containment and around confronting proliferation.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that will be possible at some point in the next five years, it's true, because there's a weird trend that's going on here. On the one hand, you've got the cutting edge AI models that are built by Google and OpenAI and My Company Inflection, and they cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and there's only a few of them. But on the other hand, what was cutting edge a few years ago is now open source today. So GPT-3, which came out in the summer of 2020, is now reproduced as an open source model, so the code and the weights of the model, the design of the model and the actual implementation code is completely freely available on the web, and it's tiny. It's like 60 times smaller than the original model, which means that”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Certainly couldn't put it in a shed. You can't download uranium 235 off the internet. It's not available open source. That is totally true. So it's got different characteristics for sure.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know the nuclear non-proliferation treaty has been reasonably successful. There's only nine nuclear states in the world today. We've stopped like three countries. Small groups have tried to get access to nuclear weapons and so far have largely failed.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You nailed it. I mean, that is the race condition. We refer to that as the race condition, the idea that if I don't do it, the other party is going to do it. And therefore I must do it. But the problem with that is that it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. So the default there is that we all end up doing it. And that can't be right because there is a opportunity for massive cooperation here. There's a shared that is between us and China and every other quote-unquote them or they or enemy that we want to create, we've all got a shared interest in advancing the collective health and well-being of humans and humanity.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is give up some of those potential upsides or benefits until we can be more sure that it can be contained, that it can be controlled, that it always serves our collective interests”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Startup, the small guy, the little developer that struggles to comply with all the regulations, they're going to be pissed off, understandably, right? But that is the age we're in. Deal with it. Like we have to confront that reality. That means that we have to approach this with the precautionary principle, right? Never before in the invention of a technology or in the creation of a regulation have we proactively said we need to go slowly. We need to make sure that this first does no harm. The precautionary principle. And that is just an unprecedented moment. No other technology has done that, right? Because I think we collectively in the industry, those of us who are closest to the work can see a place in five years or ten years where it could get out of control. And we have to get on top of it now. And it's better to forego like that.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We really are experimenting with dangerous materials. And anthrax is not something that can be bought over the internet, that can be freely experimented with. And likewise, the very best of these tools in a few years time are going to be capable of creating new synthetic pandemic pathogens. And so we have to restrict access to those things. That means restricting access to the compute. It means restricting access to the software that runs the models, to the cloud environments that provide APIs, provide you access to experiment with those things. And of course, on the biology side, it means restricting access to some of the substances. And people aren't going to like this. It means that those who want to do good with those tools, those who want to create a”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think the darkest scenario there is that people will experiment with pathogens engineered synthetic pathogens that might end up accidentally or intentionally being more transmissible i.e. they can spread faster or more lethal i.e. they cause more harm or potentially kill. Like a pandemic. That's where we need containment, right? We have to limit access to the tools and the know-how to carry out that kind of experimentation. So one framework of thinking about this with respect to making containment possible is that”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“New bits of DNA, which obviously give rise to life in every possible form. And we're starting to engineer that DNA to either remove traits or capabilities that we don't like, or indeed to add new things that we want it to do. We want fruit to last longer or we want meat to have higher protein, et cetera, et cetera, synthetic meat to have higher protein levels.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, so far the dream of robotics hasn't really come to fruition, right? I mean, we still have the most we have now are sort of drones and a little bit of self-driving cars. But that is broadly on the same trajectory as these other technologies. And I think that over the next 30 years, we are going to have humanoid robotics. We're going to have physical tools within our everyday system that we can rely on that will be pretty good, that will be pretty good to do many of the physical tasks. And that's a little bit further out because I think there's a lot of tough problems there, but it's still coming in the same way. And likewise with biology, you know, we can now sequence a genome for a millionth of the cost of the first genome which took place in 2000, so 20-ish years ago, the cost has come down by a million times, and we can now increasingly synthesize, that is create or manufacture.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“that wherever there is power there's now a new tool to amplify that power accelerate that power turbocharge it right and you know in 2050 if you ask me to look out there Of course it makes me grimace. That's why I was like, oh my God. It's. It really does feel like a new species. And that has to be brought under control. We cannot allow ourselves to be dislodged from our position as the dominant species on this planet. We cannot allow that.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great phrase. That is the moment we're in. We have to, this is what I said to you about the pessimism of aversion trap. We have to confront the probability of seriously dark outcomes. And we have to spend time really thinking about those consequences because the competitive nature of companies and of nation states is going to mean that every organization is going to race to get their hands on intelligence. Intelligence is going to be a new form of capital, right? Just as there was a grab for land or there's a grab for oil, there's a grab for anything that enables you to do more with less, faster, better, smarter, right? And we can clearly see the predictable trajectory of the exponential improvements in these technologies. And so we should expect”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“2050, we will have robots. 2050 we will definitely have robots. I mean, more than that, 2050, we will have new biological beings as well. Because the same trajectory that we've been on with hardware and software is also going to apply to the platform of biology.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I think it's going to feel largely like another human. Think about the things that you can do, not again in the physical world, but in the digital world.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I do think we will so I think that nation states remain the backbone of our civilization. We have chosen to concentrate power in a single authority, the nation state, and we pay our taxes and we've given the nation state a monopoly over the use of violence. And now the nation state is going to have to Update itself quickly to be able to contain this technology because without that kind of essentially oversight, both of those of us who are making it but also crucially of the open source. Then it will proliferate and it will spread. But regulation is still a real tool and we can use it and we must.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In chest x rays, as it can to identify a target on the battlefield for an aerial strike, so that mixed use or omniuse is going to drive the proliferation because there's huge commercial incentives because it's going to deliver huge benefit and do a lot of good. And that's the challenge that we have to figure out is how to stop something which on the face of it is so good, but at the same time can be used in really bad ways too.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think an optimism or a pessimism frame is the right one because both are equally biased in ways that I think distract us. As I say in the book, on the face of it, it does look like containment isn't possible. We haven't contained or permanently banned a technology of this type in the past. There are some that we have done, right? So we banned CFCs, for example, because they were producing a hole in the ozone layer. We've banned certain weapons, chemical and biological weapons, for example, or blinding lasers, believe it or not. There are such things as lasers that were instantly blind you. So we have stepped back from the frontier in some cases, but that's largely where there's either cheaper or equally effective alternatives that are quickly adopted. In this case, these technologies are omni use. So the same core technology can be used to identify, you know, cancerous tumors.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not so much any more. So I've spent most of my career trying to put those tough questions on the policy table, right? I've been raising these questions, the ethics of AI, safety and questions of containment for as long as I can remember with governments and civil societies and all the rest of it. And so I've become used to talking about that. And I think It's essential that we have the honest conversation because we can't let it happen to us. We have to openly talk about it.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And a lot of people over the last few years, I think things have changed in the last six months, I have to say. But over the last few years, I would say the default reaction has been to avoid the pessimism and the fear, right, to just kind of recoil from it and pretend that it's like either not happening or that it's all going to work out to be rosy, it's going to be fine. We don't have to worry about it. People often say, well, we've always created new jobs. We've never permanently displaced jobs. We've only ever seen new jobs be created. Unemployment is at an all-time low, right? So there's this default optimism bias that we have. And I think it's less about a need for optimism and more about a fear of pessimism. And so that trap, particularly in elite circles, means that often we aren't having the tough conversations that we need to have in order to.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well So all of us be included feel what you just described when you first get to grips with the idea of this new coming wave. It's scary, it's petrifying, it's threatening, is it going to take my job? Is my daughter or son going to fall in love with it? You know, what does this mean? What does it mean to be human in a world where there's these other human-like things that aren't human? How do I make sense of that? It's super scary.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally crazy. Yeah, just two of these units that are already really large And every year since then we've tenexed the number of calculations that can be done such that today the biggest language model that we train at inflection uses ten billion petaflops. So 10 billion million billion calculations. I mean, it's just unfathomably large number. And what we've really observed is that scaling these models by 10x every single year produces this magical experience of talking to an AI that feels like you're talking to a human that is super knowledgeable and super smart.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“ChatGPT The Google's bard, inflection minute company has an AI called Pi.ai, which stands for personal intelligence, and it's as good as ChatGPT, but much more emotional and empathetic and kind. So it's just super surprising to me that just growing the size of these large language models as we have done by 10x every single year for the last ten years, we've been able to produce this. And that's just an amazingly large number. If you just kind of pause for a moment to grapple with the numbers here, in 2013 when we trained the Atari AI that I mentioned to you at DeepMind, That used two peta flops of computation, so peta PETA stands for a million billion calculations. A flop is a calculation. So two million billion Which is already an insane number of calculations.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No language seems like such a different abstract space of ideas. When I say like the cat sat on the Most people would probably predict Matt, right? But it could be table, car, chair, tree. It could be mountain, cloud. I mean, there's a gazillion possible next word predictions. And so the space is so much larger, the ideas are so much more abstract. I just couldn't wrap my intuition around the idea that we would be able to create the incredible large language models that you see today.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think what was predictable to me back then was the generation of images and of audio because the structure of an image is locally contained so pixels that are near one another create straight lines and edges and corners and then eventually they create eyebrows and noses and eyes and faces and entire scenes. And I could just intuitively in a very simplistic way I could get my head around the fact that, okay, well, we're predicting these number sevens. You can imagine how you then can expand that out to entire images, maybe even to videos, maybe to audio too, you know, what I said a couple seconds ago is connected in phoneme space in the spectrogram. What was much more surprising to me was that those same methods for generation applied in the space of language”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The number appeared. It went from complete black to like slowly gray and then suddenly these were like white pixels appeared out of the black darkness and it revealed a number seven. And that sounds so simplistic in hindsight, but it was amazing. I was like, wow, the model kind of understands the representation of a seven well. Image of a number seven, you know, and you roll forward 10 years and our predictions were correct. In fact, it was quite predictable in hindsight, the trajectory that we were on. More compute plus vast amounts of data has enabled us within a decade to go from predicting black and white digits, generating new versions of those images, to now generating unbelievable photorealistic, not just images, but videos, novel videos with a simple natural language instruction or a prompt.”
2023-09-04 · The Diary of a CEO · Google DeepMind Co-founder: AI Could Release A Deadly Virus - It’s Getting More Threatening! Mustafa Suleyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT