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Nancy Jo Sales

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first: 2018-09-19
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“Is on data nap on a daily basis. And the next thing you're going to talk about is sort of the responsibility of the tech companies to that. Like, what is their actual responsibility, which they seem to abrogate almost continually on anything, on anything, whether it's the Russians or dating apps or anything else?”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it was just completely not true. Right. And when she went to the app on which it had happened, they said, oh, sorry, not our problem. Call the police. Of course, the police are not equipped to deal with something like this.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And he did not take kindly to the fact that she would not have sex with him. He felt that he was entitled to sex. There have been, there's actually a recent case of a rape in England where the guy said, you know, as he was arrested in trial or something. But I met her on a dating night. I mean, we were supposed to have sex. A lot of people feel, I think, young men in particular sometimes feel that's what it's for, you know, right? So he got mad at her and he made, he constructed a website about her. Now, I did not know how common this was. I talked to Danielle Citron, who's a, you know, she's a hate crimes and cyberspace is the author of that and she's a law professor. And she's like, oh yeah, this is not uncommon. He made this website about her all about how she was a crackhead.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know what I mean? It's objectification Yeah, well, the bullying is something that I covered a lot in my American girls book, and it does sort of come into people's experience on these apps too, because you could say that sexual harassment is a kind of bullying, often, you know, spills into what is bullying. One of the most powerful things, I think, in the film is the story that is told by a young woman named Nicole, who went on a few dates with a guy she met on. I was about to say the app. I can't say it. Okay. She met him on a... On a dairy n”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They're never thinking about it. This is a sarcastic face emoji. Yeah, I was talking to someone from Twitter who recently who worked there got attacked recently online on Twitter and stuff like that and was like, oh, this was really hard. I'm like, welcome to the experience of the rest of the world. And the reason Twitter allows bullying is because the people who made it didn't get bullied on Twitter. You know what I mean? It's objectification. And they would argue with me and I just know it. I just, yeah.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay. Well, you know, I mean, everything they want. I've been so heartened in a way because I have seen a lot of tweets and posts since the film came out on Monday. It's on HBO Now you can see it on all the HBO platforms now. It's called Swiped. I've seen a lot of tweets and so forth from young women and men who have said, wow, I didn't realize that this stuff was made by like white tech bros. Like I wasn't thinking about they don't think about it. They're not you and totally immersed in this culture. They're not me on the sidelines, reporter reporting on this culture. They're just using it. They're not thinking about who's making it. They're not thinking that like a bunch of white dudes in a dorm room. Most, you know, we're just sitting around saying, hey, how can we get all the guys like us laid? Right. I understand that that's a reductive way of saying it, but it's not.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We have a character in the film named Kyle. He's a young man in New York City. And he's like, you know, just like a regular heterosexual white dude, like kind of the guy that these apps are sort of made for would be sort of my thesis. Yes, they are. They are all made. Everything the internet's made for is a”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so when you think about the game, because there's two things you're talking about there one is gamification of it, which makes it somewhat fun to start to treat people like not real people, just pictures on the screen. And the second part is addiction, that it's addictive.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's pigeons. It's all related to an experiment done by B.F. Skinner, the very controversial and some say very insidious sociologist whose whole, you know, work was a lot about controlling behavior. Oh, look, look what we can do. Look what we can make people do or make pigeons do. He did this experiment and then I went and had my archival researcher go and find the footage of the experiment. It's in the film where Skinner, this kind of, you know, some people would say like evil genius is surrounded by cages with pigeons. And this is what Tinder is. It's like the pigeon becomes a gambler because when he pecks and gets food, he gets bored. So he peck, peck pecks. He doesn't want to get the food. He might get it. He might not. That's the whole swiping mechanism. You swipe. You might get a match. You might not. And then you're just like excited to play the game and you just keep playing the game because it's like, am I going to match or am I not match? And people will match like, you know, we talk to people who would just match, match, match, match, match.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I can't wait for you to see this. I would love to know what you think. One of the most striking moments to me in interviewing Jonathan Medine, the CSO of Tenderhood, invented the swipe was when I said, how did you invent this? And he had talked a lot in interviews about, you know, he's looking at himself in the mirror and he's swiping on the fog on the mirror and like that. Or like it's looking at a deck of cards. What he hadn't said before this film that I know of is talking about gamification and how he actually in part based this all on psychological studies and experiments involving addiction and gamification that he learned about in psych, I'm quoting him, psych courses in business school. And so or whatever major he was in, I'm not sure. So he mentions this phrase, and I don't want to get it wrong, but I believe it's variable ratio schedule, variable reward schedule. Now, this is all.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. When they're all there. What's happening when people are playing these things? Because when I see young people use them, often they're doing it. And they're like, no, no. I'm like, that's a person that you're just, it's not like a product. It's not something you're going to.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So people have asked me as they've been interviewing me for this film, what did you learn? What surprised you? And that is something that really surprised me, that in college, when they're all there. That's like your time to, you know, like talk to people and have flings and romances and relationships and all your practice relationships for your future relationships. No, it's all tender and mostly tender, actually, other apps too as well, but on Santa Cruz campus it was Tinder. And they would even say like, if you're going to a party, you try and match with somebody before you go to the party and meet the person that you match with at the party. So it's already all arranged already. Right. You know, so this whole weird way that, you know, like you said, gamification is one issue. Which we go into in the film with Adam Alter, who's a great sociologist. And why you wrote irresistible? But, you know,”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right. And like suddenly, and we went into some gay clubs in New York and filmed, and everybody was on their phones. Not every single person. Yes, but they're looking online. And we have a young gay man scruff. He says, you know, if I see somebody in a, you know, in a...”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And have relationships with people, right? So, you know, there's a great quote, one of the, and we talk about how it changed gay culture too, because there's a great quote, a young man named Austin who's in the film. He said, it started to, I know all these quotes by heart almost because you said with the film for a year editing it, it's like you know everything by heart. He says it started to change the gay clubs. And it was like instead of talking to each other and, you know, being there together, everyone was on their phones. And everyone's looking on their phones. And he said, it occurred to him, like, why are we doing this? Because, and I love what he says, we're all already here at the dance.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think there's also a stereotype, homophobic, stereotype of gay men that they just want to hook up. And I found that when I talk to the gay men that I talk to for the film, what they Wanted to talk about was not how much they loved all of this, but how it was making it harder to actually connect.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And he's like, I'm not buying MDM for sex.com. I go, no, no. The concept of it is brilliant. Like, I want to have sex in the Castro at four o'clock and I like to be peed on. Whatever. It was like, and then it went and then found people. And I go, that is matching is brilliant. Like, it's astonishing that you could then, you can literally make a list. And I said, it's horrifying and fascinating. And you should understand how important this is. And as it got smarter and smarter, and he, of course, didn't buy the company. But I was really intrigued not so much by the dating aspect of it is it takes relationships down to ones and zeros in a way that had never happened and with speed, like that you can find someone locationally near where you are.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the film, yeah, exactly. And I'll never forget years ago, I seen all the startups, they come through, and there was a, it did start off a lot among gay men trying to hook up. And there was a, I think it was called M2M for sex.com, which I was like, oh, all right, that's pretty much what I know. And I remember calling Jerry Yang of Yahoo, just talking to him. He's like, what's interesting? I go, you got to buy this company.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And the people who make them To him. Let's go ahead a little bit of the history of dating apps. I mean, there was a move to technologize dating a long time ago. You know, lots of ways to do it. And then they're moved into another period, which I cover, which was a whole bunch of apps where it was like a clearing hit. It was classified essentially, right? Where they were here's some people you might like, here's people who might match you. And that was sort of the period of, what's the company that was a big pioneer in that wasn't okay. OK, Cupid was one of them. But there was a bunch of them. Things changed really dramatically, though, with the advent of the mobile phone. Sure. You talk about it.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I wanted to investigate the culture of dating apps and I did not have any kind of agenda in my mind about is this good? Is it bad? And there's in certain ways I would be hesitant to really Judgment on anybody forever using these things or doing whatever they want to do on them. I was really more interested in hearing from characters who do use them, humanizing the people in those many stacks of pictures and finding out about what their experience has really been, how it feels to be on these apps, what they see when they're on them, how it makes them feel, what they've experienced. So I want to hear from people and the people who make them, actual users, and then also talk to the people who make them the people at Tinder and Bumble. And we also talk to Hinge. And then we finally talk to Mandy Ginsberg at Match Group, who's the new CEO of the company that owns Tinder. Okay, keep it. And many of these apps. And I wanted to really ask find out, like, why did you make these things? How do you think it's affecting culture? Does it bother you that there are people who have these very troubling, very troubling experiences and outcomes, including sex?”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They want to believe in the fantasy of it. They want to think that that romance that I yearn for, which we all yearn for someone to love because it's part of being a human being, is on this little app and it's going to be so easy. I'm going to swipe and it's going to be there. Statistically, we don't have any data. There's data on how many people want that, which is most people, 81% says hinges surveys. They want a long-term relationship eventually. Not that it's bad if you don't, but that is what most people do want. And yet there's no data on who finds that.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Title at the time. And I say, okay, so where's the data? Like, you're a company that traffic's in data. Like, where's data on all this? And she says, well, that data's not available, but we are inundated with emails on a daily basis. So she uses exactly the same phrase, which meant to me, suggested to me that it was a talking point. Because I do think that there are people who say that, you know, well, Anecdotally, you know, I think they want to believe in the fantasy of it. They do. They do. They want to believe it's not.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know what I mean? Where did Bliss? Okay, so then when I was, so we ran that, and then when I'm at Tinder, they wouldn't let me talk to Sean. He agreed for me to come, my film crew and everything. You can ask me about that if you want in a second. It was like, we had this big fight. And then he was cool with it. And we thank him and the credits for that. But he let us come up there. But they wouldn't let me talk to him. He said he was busy. So I'm talking to Jessica Carbino. She's the sociologist at Tender. That was her.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But isn't it just a hookup app? Yeah. You know, because they're known colloquially as that. Right. Yeah. And he says, oh, well, you know, we've got people married off Tinder and we're just inundated with emails about people who have relationships and, you know, like just all this.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And we talk about how they were and still are useful to people in the LGBT community who come from places where it's often not even safe to openly be yourself. And so they can be very useful and they can be a way to meet someone. And when we talk about that, I mean, it's not, you know, nothing is ever like 100% one way or the other. And I know that they're used in all kinds of different ways. And yet the other thing that I've noticed is even where People do have positive experiences, and even where they do appreciate the utility and so forth. And of course, we know that, I mean, we all know that person who's”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Especially in terms, I mean, my subject, my focus is a lot young women and girls, but in the film we have people from the LGBT community, a trans, which a lot of these different...”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It had happened so fast. At one point Nick Bilton said to me when I was interviewing him actually for this movie that I've just unswiped, he said, you know, technology makes everything go faster. Cars go faster, airplanes make us go even faster. But when you go faster, you have more accidents. And I think the accident that has happened here is this. I'm not sure that the creators of these platforms really even thought about the whole issue.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Mark Zuckerberg. Wow. You know, So Harassment because And more than that, the willingness to put up with it, becoming anesthesized to people speaking to you in ways you should never be spoken to or accepting of that. That was what struck me about that article was that they had become used to it. And that to me was the saddest part of it.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and they call, and the kids are doing it. And Mark Zuckerberg's such a boy genius. And wow, you know, and so that was how the tone of what a lot of it was. And so I wrote this piece that was really about misogyny, sexism, sexual harassment, because this is what I heard from young women and men who were. And more than that,”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think, well, a lot of it. You know, I know that there are good, really good people who cover the world of tech you, Sarah Lacey, Nick Bilton, have a more critical eye and a more like intelligent analytical way of looking at it. But a lot of the stuff. No, it is. It's great. It gets written about.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So going fast while I was reporting my book, I did a piece for Vanity Fair Tinder in the dawn of the dating apocalypse. And it came out of another conversation with Grayton. He said, I was telling him about my, what are you up to? I'm telling him about my book. And he said, oh, yeah, you should do a piece just on those dating apps. And I said, ah, you know, I was actually very hesitant at that time because I thought, well, everybody kind of knows about them already. I kind of wrote about them in that last piece that everybody's on them. He said, you know, it's just, but nobody's really writing about the culture of it. People, A lot of sort of cheerleading type of stories that you see in the New York Times sometimes or in other places.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And this seemed very dangerous to me, not only in the kind of Sexual assault type situations that could occur, but even just emotionally, even just.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Like 13 who were telling me they were on it, and talking to older guys and older to them, to me is even 16 or 17, but I mean older like 20s”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That piece led to American girls. Allegedly. Well, they still make Facebook profiles and still get on it. And, you know, there were a lot of young girls, you know, girls really young.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I was like, oh my goodness. You know, so this is very different. At that time, Tinder allowed 13 to 17 year olds to be on the app. And now they don't.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly. So I went to a couple cities and interviewed some girls about their social media use, and it really had not been thinking about it, talking about it, writing about it. The opening scene of that story, French without benefits, is about Tinder. It's about a girl who this is 2013. I had never heard of Tinder. Of course, I knew about Grinder, but she's the one who told me about Tinder. And she said that she had had her heart broken by a guy. And she was just, she's just going to go on Tinder and have sex with somebody, lose her virginity to get over it, get over her feelings. And I said, what's Tinder? And she took it out of her purse. You took her phone out of her purse and started showed me what it was.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I talked to Gray Carter, who's the executive editor at Fanny Fair, my boss for decades, and he, I said, I really want to know what's going on with all this and why are girls seem to be the victims of these events and these like, you know, they were Stubinville where these girls, the video of the girl being assaulted was put online. And it wasn't only teenagers that were, you know, commenting in this very ugly way about it. They're adults as well. And he said, I think he said, and I think it was a good call as an editor, he said, let's find, because I wanted to focus on like one case. He said, let's find out The broader thing is that's going on, like quote unquote, average girls, whatever that means, regular people.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I started, I wanted, okay, so 2012, we saw a lot of really tragic stories all of a sudden about cyberbullying that led to suicide. There was Amanda Todd, which was a tragic suicide that really devastated me. You know, she committed suicide after having a non consensual shared nude shared online by an older man that she met on some site. And so these were things that we had never seen before. It's unusual to see something that you're actually like, that has never happened before. Right. And so”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. She has that in the film, I think, and graphically it's done very well. And then I did a piece. So, this is getting back to how did I write about technology. So I did the data. No, actually, the really first thing that I did that I really dived into tech and kids was it was called Friends Without Benefits. And the first, it was viral 2013. It was about how girls use social media, how teenage girls age 13 to 19 use social media. And I was really, I think it's safe to say I was the first person to really write about. Any kind of deep way about likes and how likes had affected these girls' self-esteem. They're feeling like they had to be validated by others' approval and how it was messing with their heads, the continuous posting.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“She incorporated this aspect of it very well, I thought, because this is kind of like way that the brain is sort of like, you know, flitting around to all these different images.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Los Angeles who robbed celebrities' homes, and they use technology to find out when the people were at home or not home, and then they also advertised their That they had stolen, they advertised on Facebook. That's actually kind of how they were caught. So if you watch Sophia Coppola's film that she based on my article for Vanity Fair, it was called The Suspects War Luptons. She incorporated a lot of these tech images. I think that was very underrated, by the way. It's a really great film. It is. I don't know why, you know, I don't know why people didn't see that at the time. I think it's going to come back around. People have been writing about it recently, you know. Yeah, so she and I, when I was consulting with her on the film, I told her, like, they're all, they're just on screens all the time now. This is 2013. So this was sort of coming up and coming along that this was happening.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Suddenly watching porn, which they had not had the same availability to before. Boys were watching a lot of porn. So it was dial-up, you know, I would sit in these, you know, rooms with them and they would like wait, you know, a long time with that ding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Going for like these images to appear. I didn't really know it at the time, but I was already sort of noticing because how technology was changing culture for kids because they were they were doing they were adopting as kids do technology earlier than everyone else and using it in ways that then became the way others used it right absolutely so that was a thing and I covered kids then and throughout my time at Vanity Fair. Also I was often put on stories when I did celebrity culture that were about young-ish celebrities. Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton. And then I did the Bling Ring, which was the story of the teenagers in”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Cameras, these handheld video cameras that you're filming themselves fighting and having sex. And it was the era of like, you know, sex tapes, you know, Pamela Anderson, Tommy Lee. And so it was this new kind of way that, and they were all.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And hip hop was, this has been written about a lot by others, not by me, but the music industry pushed gangster rap. And it's not that it's not great. I love a lot of those artists very much, but it was taken up in this sort of way that I think a lot of people could say bordered on a kind of racial, you know, offensiveness or racism. And yet, I also, it was nuanced in the sense that I also saw all of these like really interesting. Connections and relationships being formed. Absolutely. And it was sort of shocking, I think, to a lot of people who read it, what was going on. And, you know, I didn't really think about it back then, but I was covering kids in technology back then. Well, also they were running around with...”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was called Prep School Gangsters, and it's about how hip-hop, the hip-hop generation was influenced, I love hip-hop music, and I also covered hip-hop artists and nightlife and so forth for Vibe magazine. This was more about boys and how some boys, especially white boys in New York City was for New York magazine, were adopting this kind of gangster, you know, mode. And it was They were actually, you know, aspirational to be gangsters, to actually be gangsters. And some of them were dealing drugs and, you know, getting into all kinds of situations. But it was more about the culture.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I started writing about teenagers in the 90s at New York magazine. I randomly got assigned a piece about teenage culture. And there was not things we didn't say things went viral back then, but it was sort of the same kind of thing. It went viral in the sense that everybody was talking about it. And then it went from there to a series of articles. And then it became sort of my unofficial beat. So I've been covering. What was your...”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Like this And how you interact and stuff. So let's get started. Talk about how you got to here because you have written a lot about this topic and you were very early to writing onto it. And obviously everyone knows about ginger and knows about dating and the changing nature of dating and the gamification. But talk about how you got into it because you were a longtime journalist. You covered various different sundry things.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Communicate with each other. And, you know, I wrote a book about that American Girls Social media and the secret lives of teenagers that goes into that very thing and talk to a lot of schools and parents often say, well, what do I do? And it seems pretty obvious to me as it did to you that we need to start having conversations like this about what this new technology”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Make sure, like, you need to read this. I made him read it. I was like, don't ever speak to women online like this. It was a ridiculous parenting moment on my part. But in any case, it had a great impact on me.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, but it was really interesting because what you did, I think, and quite correctly, and even though people, there were a lot of complaints about it, but I didn't think it was. I thought it was absolutely dead on in terms of what these gamification of dating was doing to culture and girls, especially and boys too, and how they behaved. And just before we started here, I said it actually had a really big impact on me. I was reading it one night at my house, and I was so angry, you know, and so it was so clear the coarsening of relationships through this app and how people behaved on it and all these ads, all these apps, these different dating apps. And so I got up from my face, I was reading it. I was so mad. I was like, you had some girl did something, and I got so angry that you wrote it beautifully. Thank you, that I went down and my son was sleeping, and I woke up and I said, if you ever treat a girl like this, I will break your arm or something like I was like, I didn't not break his arm, but I was like, if you ever, I will, I am so mad at you right now. And he was like, mom, what did I do? I'm like 12. And I was like, listen, I just want to.”
2018-09-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Swiped' director Nancy Jo Sales · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT