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  1. “You know, I started diving pretty much. This is the first time I did when I was near water. In fact, there is a very fun little incident with my parents me being on the shore of a lake on vacation. I was three years old, maybe. And I had this little lifesavers, you know, on my arms. And my parents were not watching. And in my little brain, I still can't remember today saying, well, Nothing bad can happen to me. I cannot drown if I go underwater. See, that's the logic of a three-year-old.”

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  2. “You can call it that way. I still don't know what it means, you know, literally, but it is that moment where you feel that It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter anymore. It was absolutely peace, absolute understanding, and it was incredible.”

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  3. “Could tell them apart every single one of them. I was surrounded by golden darts. And it was the most incredible experience. And I don't know if it's that kind of environment that led me to just, you know, go into whatever state of meditation or whatnot, but all of a sudden, there was no separation anymore between me, the water, the volcano, and if I came with questions, they didn't matter anymore because for that fraction of a second it seemed that I had all the answers in the universe.”

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  4. “Sorts of music can be classical, can be pop music, you know, just songs. When you really know that you are relaxed and something I experienced actually at 20,000 feet, which was the greatest experience of my life in those terms, is when you forget that you have water around you. At that point, you cannot tell whether you are the water or water is you. There is actually no separation anymore. And I felt that when I was training in a swimming pool, I never could have imagined that I would feel that way once on top of that volcano. And it happened. And it was absolutely amazing. It was, you know, we were talking about how life consciousness permits the universe. At that point in time, on that volcano, that day, It took me by surprise I was not expecting it. Everything around me the lake was Arctic blue? With all the ray of the suns, you can”

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  5. “You know, I think you probably can get good or better at free diving by training so you have different techniques. You can train in swimming pool and you can say, you know, frankly for me, I go at the bottom of the swimming pool and I sit there. And then you have relaxation techniques. Some people meditate. I can't. I am not a good person that can meditate. Or if I do, I don't know about it. My way of doing things and taking my mind off the situation I'm in is by singing in my head. I love music or hearing music. And in fact, knowing the kind of song I'm singing, I know about the length of time that I'm staying underwater as well. So this is how, you know, so this is my own way. People have different ways.”

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  6. “You could, I mean, the fact that I was already seeing dark was a real sign that my brain was starved of oxygen. And I had one of my friends or colleagues on the shore just telling me because I'd been under for a little while and say, is everything okay? I remember trying to say something. And I was just like. I think the best lie I ever ever get the thumb”

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  7. “There is no panic because you can't. You cannot afford to be panicking. In fact, you are always thinking because there is training. This is the best part about training. Your training allows you that space to keep you cool and compose, which you need to be in that kind of situation. And so finally, after the fifth time, I was able to rectify the position and get myself up. But when I got up, my lungs were empty. I had been in the water for quite some time. And I knew what was going to happen. So I decided to just be the plank, you know, not move and don't do anything, just open my mouth and try to suck oxygen. But obviously oxygen at 6,000 meters, 20,000 feet. There is not that much. It's about a little, it's 48% of what you breathe at sea level.”

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  8. “Yeah, I was diving down. And so didn't pay too much attention about that as I was busy, just an awkward position. But then I wanted to turn and go up. Well, no can do. I was just like a buoy. And I was like that. So the first time I say, okay, I tried a second time. And the third time. And by the fourth time, I kind of realized I was in trouble. And the fifth time I say, okay, now you better give it your best try. Otherwise, it's going to be big trouble.”

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  9. “The bad part is that when you have those dry suit, you have a lot of air that can be trapped in it. Usually we do what we call burping the suit. It's not very pleasant expression, but you get in the water and as soon as you get in the water, you can see the air pockets all over the place, right? So you burp the suit, you open the valve, and the air comes out. Once you have done that, then you look with your lead belt and you know when you're ready to go down. And so what happened that day is that I actually did burp the suit, but didn't realize I burped it completely. And so I went down and immediately I felt an air pocket going to my legs. So basically air was trapped in the suit and went on my legs. As I was diving like that. And so I didn't pay too much attention to that.”

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  10. “So, a dry suit, a wetsuit is usually what you use in the ocean when it's not too cold. You can use also dry suit. But the wetsuit basically is going to keep you warm because water is getting into the suit. And at the contact of your skin is getting to body temperature. And so for a while, you can, you know, dive like that. And in the ocean here, that's fine. That's fine. The dry suit is the opposite. It's completely closed, which means that you don't have any contact with the water outside and you keep your warmth through your body temperature and even clothing that you can put into it. These dry suit they are used by dither go really deep in very cold water and need to stay a long time underwater.”

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  11. “Somewhat. Yeah. So you cannot just dive with a wetsuit. So, the idea was to take a dry suit. And I learned how to free dive with a dry suit, which is really the worst thing you can do.”

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  12. “Well, all these lakes I had altitude, they are cool. They are at the minimum temperature that you can have on bodies of water, clear bodies of water, which is four degrees C. It's very, very cold. And so you can”

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  13. “So it was a real operation that was three years into it because when you are free diving in the years prior, there is no risk. You don't have any other gas in your lung than what you are breathing. The only risk is come short of air and then you're in trouble, which happened to me one time, seriously.”

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  14. “Director of Military Operations. Yes, we were trained like astronauts for three months. I spent more time. I had a joke that if somebody wanted to reach me, they better put a phone line at the bottom of the swimming pool because this is where I was. So we trained and we trained and our manual about the safety was about that thick.”

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  15. “This was a good benefit. It was a good trade off. We were lucky enough to be also trained by the military so we came up with not the civilian rebriver, which is the big thing on the back that you carry on your back. We actually were given Navy SALS commando rebravers.”

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  16. “When you are breathing regular air, when you are scuba diving here, you know that you have to do some different, when you are coming back, when you are diving deep, and you have conventional air, then you need to stop so that you can equalize the gases in your lungs. If you come back too fast, then you can have air bubbles stuck and then you can raise the binds, which you can be paralyzed, you can risk a number of nasty issues. And we wanted absolutely to avoid that. So diving with pure oxygen avoid this completely. And it has another benefit. And high altitude is that, well, the greater risk when you are at high altitude is altitude sickness. What is altitude sickness is just you not having enough oxygen in your blood.”

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  17. “So it is very interesting because then that completely avoids the potential issues you may have with the binds when you are diving the risk of bubbles trapped in your lungs because of different pressures and different gases.”

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  18. “Your oxygen, so definitely your time and the water is cut short just for safety. And I realized that it was not a good trade-off for me at some point. So I certify scuba and after three years of exploring that free diving, we finally came up with a full scuba diving expedition, but we were diving with rebreathers, which means that we dived with pure oxygen. So rebivers give you a bag with stuff that looks like cat liters in it. Which is basically to absorb the CO2 that you are expelling when you are breathing and they're recycling oxygen this way. So basically you are rebreathing your own respiration. Yeah.”

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  19. “Actually, it's a lot of less of a risk than getting with conventional air. And I can explain that. But ultimately, what decided me to certify scuba and go over my fear was that as a scientist, I needed more time at the bottom of the lake to sample rationally, take my time to think. I can stay quite long enough as a free diver underwater. But the last thing you want to do at 20,000 feet is to come up at the surface with empty lungs because there is not much you can breathe out there to replenish.”

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  20. “Yeah, no, it was to the point where when I saw a pressure vessel, like a metan tanks or anything, I would be going around and put a lot of distance between me and that tank. So I was not going to carry any oxygen tank. And the first time I actually dived at the summit of that was re-diving. People look at me like, I'm nuts. Well, maybe I am a little bit.”

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  21. “There is a lot of hiking and tracking at I altitude around here, but not so high because we don't have anything closer to those elevations around here in the US. But in volcanic environment, climbing volcanoes here, we have plenty of those diving as well. I am a free diver. So this is where it's going to be hilarious because I started with a complete irrational fear of pressurized vessels that comes from an incident in my childhood. And so I became a free diver to avoid having to carry oxygen tanks on my back.”

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  22. “No, no, because we are prepared. And the only thing I didn't know is if I was going to be able to make it to the top, because now you're dealing with high altitude. You can deal with high altitude sickness. You can deal with a number of things. And for God's sake, these are volcanoes and they are dormant. They are not extinct. That can buy two bite us a couple of times.”

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  23. “How big is it? So remember when we were talking about how do I understand how I search for life on Mars? This is how it started for me. And then I looked at an environment in my head started, you know, going through the environments on Earth, that would be good analysis. And then you only have a few. And the Andes in that case are... The higher you go, the least atmosphere you have, the more UV radiation you have. And the end is our volcanic, hydrothermal, plus you have the climate change that's coming. You have evaporation. It's a picture of Mars, 3.5 billion years ago. And so now you are actually entering a time machine, basically. Remember, I'm a diver And the first time I got in 2002 to the places, we wanted to explore, all of a sudden I was standing at 14,000 feet looking at 20,000 feet and saying, okay, well, I need to get up there.”

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  24. “So the first one associated to the search for life, understanding was in 2002, where I started climbing those high volcanoes in the Andes that are 20,000 footers. The view out there is just beautiful.”

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  25. “The image that is associated with a scientist is the person with a white coat in the lab. In fact, a number of us at Institute are athletes doing extreme what would be considered extreme stuff. And I mean, it's fun. It's a little dangerous too, but it's to get data and more knowledge. So there are so many stories. I don't even know where the first.”

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  26. “About Mars involved in landing site selection, an instrument that are actually on board some of the mission in science teams, for instance, Cassini, New Horizon, also missions that will be coming. The search for life, we do this all across the Drake equation. So SETI is part of it and it's our route and it's expanding a little bit right now. We hope it will continue to expand. So this is a good time for the Institute. And it also, in my mind, was the very first astrobiology institute because we have this multidisciplinary approach where I can bring many of the scientists from different domains and disciplines to think about a question. And as you know, discoveries happen at the nexus of disciplines. And it's really a privilege when you are in an institute like that.”

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  27. “And yeah, go to analog places to try and understand the type of life that survives in planetary type environments. I mean, people are always surprised when I tell them, you know, whatever flies in the solar system has flown or will be flying. Involved. So, this is not something that pops in everybody's mind when they are thinking about the SAD Institute, because we started off as the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. But the institute has really bloomed into the search for life along the Drake equation, all the terms of the Drake equation.”

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  28. “So it's getting better right now. It's getting better. But remember that the SED Institute is not only about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. This is the root of the historical root of the institute. But it's about 10% of what we do. In fact, we are searching for life in the universe from the origins of life to extraterrestrial intelligence. So 90% of everything else is exoplanet, for instance, we have a good chunk of the Kepper team that is actually with the study institute and they are working with tests right now. Some already have some time on the GEMS web. We have astrobiologists. We have astronomers.”

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  29. “I totally agree. We do have more public presentation at the institute than peer-reviewed articles. And believe me, we have lots of peer-reviewed articles. So our scientists are out there and they are sharing the wonder of discoveries. And it's so easy these days. I mean, there is not one day, tell me about writing a book right now about the Search for Life in the Universe. I mean, it's almost every single day I had to correct something in the chapters I was writing.”

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  30. “Search for life is a fair easy place to draw the wonder of people. Yes. It's a profound question that pretty much everybody has.”

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  31. “For now, the past 60 years, we were not able to raise money from the government, no grants. It's a discipline that has no postdoc of very little postdoc just because there is a fear of that folklore on the political arena. People don't want to be associated with that because they confuse the two. So I And as the director of the Carl Sagan Center, I am just very happy to see now that there is a course correction in the government seeking scientific investigators for this kind of issues. And hopefully that will write the ship there”

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  32. “No, the mystery is there, but what I don't want is people taking advantage of the public and making money out of folklore”

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  33. “Have observation and you have things that are done the right way. I don't want to have somebody that starts with what if as a question and then there's this what if into the only argument and the only conclusion there is you understand what I'm saying?”

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  34. “And I think there was a pushback from the political arena decades ago about that at the time where all the flying saucers were coming out. And then the SEDE Institute got it started. But now there is more of a willingness to look at the UAP UFO phenomenon from a scientific standpoint. So much so that the government is actually seeking some help from scientific institution and there are programs to start looking into those phenomena. And as a scientist, I am interested. What I'm not interested in, again, Carl Sagan comes back here. I don't want to believe. I want to know. And so to know, you have to have a real experiment.”

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  35. “When you see what's happening, it's terrifying. And I am actually concerned, you know, about that relationship that people do between folklore and real search for extraterrestrial intelligence. In fact, it's been so bad that until today, there is no government agency that is actually funding the city search. It is a private funded. endeavor. What NASA funds right now, which is a progress, is a search for techno signature, which means that when you are looking at the atmosphere of a planet, you look for some disequilibrium that could tell you that something is there. But it's not going to find an institute or whatnot that is looking for messages or other things like that.”

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  36. “So, this is two very different things. And unfortunately, over the years, I actually respect very much people who are trying to go to the bottom of what UFO are following some very Scientific ways of doing this. They are very, very credible agencies doing this. Unfortunately, there is a folklore around UFOs. And this has been a huge disservice to the scientific community. And this is why you have been having that much pushback for a long time by the scientific community, because no congressman in the world wants to tell their taxpayer that they are supporting something that's looking for flying saucers and, you know,”

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  37. “The same kind of scheme, except that now they have at least some patterns of speed of other things that were in the report. Today, we don't know if these sightings are part of military program or actual UFOs. I always run into that question because, of course, as the director of the Car Sigma Center at the SEDE Institute, I received a number of emails about the subject. People actually... Confused about what the study institute is. We are not studying UFOs. We are studying, we are actually looking for messages. The way I put it, you know, usually is that we are studying extraterrestrial in their natural habitat. And the UFO people are trying to understand whether they invaded our aerial space.”

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  38. “Yeah, we are also child at heart. And so about UFOs. I am a scientist and I'm a citizen. So I'm going to tell you a couple of things. First, I don't mind talking about that at all because I think as a scientist, this is extremely interesting because the thing I don't know, I want to learn about it. This is more knowledge. So we all know the statistics about UFOs. 95% of them are just natural phenomenon or things that are being misinterpreted. We know that. Then you have the 2% that might be secret programs by whatever government. It's out there. Another person say is about natural phenomenon that we don't know about yet, that we cannot explain. And then there is this tiny percentage that don't fall into all these categories of things. And I think that the report about the UAPs falls into”

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  39. “It always does. I mean, you know, there are a number of things that. Captivity people, especially children actually, dinosaurs and aliens.”

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  40. “Be verified or it would be discredited. But what I like about it is that it forces me to think on how do I look for life? I don't know. So that starts here on our planet, not even with little green men. It starts with very simple life that can be so different. It might be just right in front of our nose, and we don't see it.”

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  41. “Well, you know, a good example of that, and it doesn't need to be an extraterrestrial civilization. Look at something that I really, you know, whether or not it's real, I don't care because in terms of intellectual exercise, I think it's fantastic. Look at the shadow biosphere. The idea that life didn't appear Only once on earth, but there were many different pathways of it Today we know when we study Tree of life that led to us from Luca to us. And the shadow biosphere is telling us that there is, or there are, other pathways that came up at the time where life originated, but they are We cannot recognize them as being living. And we cannot pick them up in our test because our tests are being built to recognize life as we know it. And for me, again, I don't know if this theory”

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  42. “I have to agree with you. None of this is scientifically provable right now. We talked a little bit already about that. But I would say that I Do not adhere to the Fermi paradox because it's very anthropomorphic. It's an interesting exercise, let's put it that way. But it's a typical example of seeing the universe through our own eyes. And this is where the limitation is. Understanding what's going on with complexity, as you said, and looking at the biophysical model and theories for the nature of life, I would agree that probably this extraterrestrial message is all around us. We're not yet capable of picking it up.”

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  43. “It could be we are talking about the human civilization here. So there are different factors. If you are a cyanobacteria or any type of, even a mammal that doesn't have the technology to escape. Planet than we were born on, then its plan A is right there, you know, whatever happens to your planet, you are tied to it, you cannot escape it. For humans, it's a little different. Yeah, it's A and B or whatever we can. So we have to expect that a number of the civilization Extraterrestrial civilization that might be technologically advanced, a number of them will have disappeared just because they run the course of their evolution or because their sons run out of fuel and they didn't have a way to escape or they were wiped out by any kind of event. And then there will be those that survive.”

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  44. “starting to be detectable when we were still cyanobacteria in pond. So they were, you know, throwing messages that were passing above our heads at that point. And those civilizations, when you look at them now, close to 10 billion years after the start. So their sun would be dead. In the best case scenario, they moved somewhere else. And what that means is that civilizations are going to rise, die, or move and transform themselves. We can see ourselves changing. We know that humans are still changing as a species. The human being in a thousand or even 500 years from now might not be looking a lot like we are doing right now. Who knows where we will be, who might be migrating into our planetary system, we might be migrating somewhere else.”

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  45. “Yeah, we had civilization for thousands of years. We started to be detectable 150 years ago. So it's about technology, technology that we can actually capture from space. You become visible to your neighbors. And this is all about the Fermi paradox, right? It takes time. Obviously, if we're taking again ourselves as a model, but this is the only one we have to get to the point where we become detectable. But look at the age of the universe, even if life as we understand it, not saying even as we know it, but as we can understand it, start at 10 billion years ago. And it takes 4 billion years to get to the point where it becomes detectable. That means that the first planet where those civilizations started off”

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  46. “That are able to pause L is not about that. L is about how long a civilization is capable of being detectable, which means that rich technologies and detectable.”

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  47. “I am going to make such an unmagical response to that. My response is, that's the scientific response That if we are alone, then the universe is a statistical absurdity. And I have no doubt in my mind, and that is an unscientific response as well. But I have no doubt in my mind that the university”

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  48. “I am not talking about scientists here. Actually, I'm talking about politicians. We've gone beyond that point now. This is what I'm worried about. I mean, Torture, etc. Unfortunately, well, we are apes, exactly what you said. So I think that, you know, there is a lot to be not to blame grandpa for that. But because we can always get better”

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  49. “We are clever teenagers. There is definitely a threat of optimism, but I think it's thin. It's thin because something that has changed as well is the mentality of humans. Although the threat was terrifying when nuclear weapons were created, there was a sense of limits you were willing to push in the threat there was a sense of decency of moral values it was not perfect but it was at least a time where people could come together from very different perspective and agree that something was more important than destroying everything”

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  50. “Need to be in equilibrium with a planet if we want to move forward because even though we have these big dreams of going on Mars and the Moon and listen, I am a planetary geologist, so I am all for exploration. Right now, the moon or Mars is not going to save your butt because for the logistics will still depend very much on the Earth and for a long time. I think We are living in will be remembered as a pivot in our history for a number of reasons, a time where there is a growing consciousness where we are creating tools that are going a little bit ahead of us that we have some difficult time to catching up on with, where we have to deal with a population that too big for the planet we have. We need to really learn a sense of balance and a maturity as a civilization. So how is this going to unfold right now? I have no clue.”

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