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  1. Urban program, and I've told Vice President Quayle he will not be my running mate at the next election that Colin Powell will be my running mate. So I don't hear anything. I thought we were disconnected. I said, hello, hello, hello. Sam says, I heard you. He said, we can't do that. I said, I told you you wouldn't do what I'm telling I still I've kid Sam now. I said if you'd done what I said you would have been reluctant.

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  2. First day he was chief of staff under President Bush he called me up. He said He said, I know you're a Democrat, but I know you're a patriot. I'm starting a first day as chief. I said, what do you suggest we do? I said, You're never in a million you're always going to do what I'm going to suggest. He said, well, tell me anyway. I said, well, if I were you, this is just when we had gotten out of Iraq the first time. and communism had collapsed. I said President Bush would go on television. You should say we've just achieved two miraculous things. We united the... Free world against aggression. We've defeated communism. We can turn our attention at home. So I've asked General Colin Powell to leave the military, come into the White House and take charge of our...

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  3. I have respect enormous respect for anybody who's willing to run for office. I don't care if they're a Republican or a Democrat or what, because to expose yourself to the bright light of the criticism you get when you run for office is a perilous thing. So I have respect for people who are in politics. I have law partners who are Republicans, who are Democrats, who are everything. Sam Skinner was

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  4. I think we will someday. I think that the one reason I don't like primaries is that the extremes dominate primaries. On the left and on the right, and because of the primary system, That tends to give us candidates who are not broadly in the center. I have always been bipartisan when President Kennedy appointed me to the FCC, I realized this is by law a bipartisan agency, and I never once permitted a partisan vote. Never once today it's completely partisan today.

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  5. Has a few months left. The first thing I'll say is he was the first black president. But after that, I think they'll say, was very effective in getting us out of a terrible, terrible financial mess which could have destroyed the country in a depression worse than nineteen twenty nine. I think that was a magnificent accomplishment. Think he got us out of Iraq, which was very important. I think he was. Up against a sadly overpartisan Congress, which The Senate Democratic Republican leader said at the beginning our first emphasis, our first job here is to be sure this guy doesn't get a second term. That kind of an approach made it very difficult. But I think he will go down as a successful president. I wish he had signed the Simpson Bulls. I still don't understand why he did

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  6. He had that same Confidence He had that same intelligence, he had that same will and strength of Jack Kennedy. And I said, this is Kennedy all over again. That's when I decided he ought to run for president, even though he was very young and inexperienced. And I wrote a piece for the tribune urging him to run. He came to see Admiral Mikva and me know that story. And I said to myself, do you think I can win? I said, I don't know, I think it's a long shot, Barak. But I think you'll get to know the country. The country will get to know you, and there'll be a big future, you're young and trifle, go for it. Well, the fact that he did it I think was largely due to you, David.

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  7. I saw Barak in the 2006 on television on C-SPAN of all places. He was speaking in Iowa at that time. Yeah. And I said to, I turn to my wife, Joe, and I said, Joe, this is Jack Kennedy all over again. He reminded me of Jack Kennedy

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  8. I thought he was what Martha said, I thought he was not only extremely bright, but that he was kind of a person that you want to have in public life.

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  9. So then we discovered them. We took them to Ravinio and spent some time with them. I used to take Barak to the lunches at the commercial club so he'd get exposed to the...

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  10. The right And we're waiting in line to get tickets. And there are Barack and Michelle out on their first date. And she was very embarrassed because she was his supervisor. So I said, come on. You have a dispensation. I said, have a good time.

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  11. and she had barakos a student. And she called me one day, and she said I know your firm doesn't hire some interns who are only first-year students. We had that policy. She said, you should make an exception this year. She said, I've got one. He wants to go to Chicago, and he's exceptional. I said, what's his name? She said, Barack Obama. I said, you'll have to spell that for me. She spelled it. Her hiring partner is John Levy. I call John, I tell him, and John starts to laugh. I said, what are you laughing about? It's not funny. He said, we hired him. We heard he was a superstar. We hired him. He's coming. So he came that summer. That's when I first got to know him. And that's when he met Michelle.

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  12. So I met him through my daughter, Martha. Martha, at that time, was a professor at Harvard Law School. Now the dean. Now the

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  13. Well, I think this, David. I think because we have an unbroken record now of having had nine or ten presidential debates, it's pretty tough for a candidate to walk away from it. McCain tried to walk away from it in 2008 Obama in 2008.

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  14. Representing Reagan. We got to an impasse. Legal and voters took a strong position, and the candidates didn't. Strauss got up and he said, nope, excuse me, I have to go to the men's room. Two minutes later, Baker got up. He said, Excuse me, I have to go to the men's room. They were gone about 15 minutes. They came back and they had an envelope. They had written on the back of the envelope. They said, here's what it's going to be. I immediately said It's a deal. I didn't want anybody in the legacy because we had no leverage candidates could have walked away from us.

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  15. negotiated, I had a funny experience when the legal voters had the debates, I negotiated the debates in 1980 With the Democrat was Bob Strauss and the Republican was Jim Paker.

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  16. I think you get a sense of the personality and the mind of a candidate. I'm not sure it changes your vote, but I do think in an uninterrupted 90 minutes you get a feel, can I trust this person? Do I think this person will reach good decisions? It is a true truth.

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  17. One town hall meeting, the others will be broken up into like 15-minute segments where the moderate will ask one question. We hope the 15 minutes will be about that particular issue. And then the debates will be 90 minutes long, there'll be no commercials.

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  18. But it's not a benefit in terms of your. To participate. We have a very distinguished group. We lost one of our members this year, Senator Alan Simpson Because he wanted to participate for Jeff Bush. So he said it's more of a...

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  19. How else have they changed? It's a funny coincidence. Today, the debate commission is announcing a format for the 2016 debates today. Do you know?

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  20. Now but I was I had been deeply involved in changing the law, which we got, at least Stevenson wrote a magazine article which led to his testimony in Congress, which led Congress to say that debates would be exempt from the equal time law for the 1960 presidential race only. And that's what led to the debates.

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  21. I do. Yes, years ago there was something called the Fairness Doctrine, which the FCC enforced which required that first the broadcasters should deal with controversial issues, but second that they should present all points of view. This was regarded as censorship by some critics, and later the courts have been very unhappy with it. So it's been abandoned and later was abandoned by statute, by Congress. I think that this used to be that you kind of hurt all sides, which was, I think, a much better thing. I'm afraid that part of the polarization that we have today is due to the emergence of partisan views being heard singularly. without any opposition on certain channels.

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  22. Yes, in fact my friend Henry Geller, who was my general counsel of Sien, I have petitioned the FCC currently to be much more aggressive in enforcing the disclosure requirements which they haven't which is, I think, very unfortunate. Senator Hollings, I testified when he was running the Communications Committee in the Senate. That's why we now have the law that requires that a candidate say, I'm so-and-so and I approve this message

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  23. No, but I was involved in helping Sesame Street get going and The opportunity to use television wisely and for the better is very important. I'm very upset about television and politics because the... I want to ask.

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  24. Yes, because we've added cable, we've added UHF, we've added satellite television. I felt that the principal purpose of government involving television was to expand choice. I felt that was what the government's mission should be. And we've certainly succeeded in that. There's a lot of junk on television. True, but there's plenty of choice. There's plenty of choice for children. Children watch television, particularly when they're young more than spend more hours with television than they do in school.

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  25. Not only in our country but throughout the world, change it for the better, I think, unlike other countries which started with a public system. Without commercials. We did it the other way around. We started, and I've served on the, I was on the board of CBS, I was on the board of the Tribune, which owned television station. So I've seen all sides from all perspectives of this. Is it better?

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  26. Well, I'm a television junkie, I'm watching television all the time, particularly news and sports and also public television. I love television. Some people thought I was some kind of an elitist snob. I love television. I think it's the most important invention after the atomic bomb. I think it changed life everywhere. For the better.

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  27. And propaganda is essentially. I didn't want to do that. So instead, he appointed me to the, this was when the... First war in Iraq had ended and there was a big debate in the country whether women should serve in military combat. So he appointed a bipartisan commission. I served on that.

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  28. I think it's great. I think it was a mistake from the beginning to break off our relationships. It was a bad mistake. You know, President Bush appointed me to go on the first President Bush, wanted me to go on the board of Radio Marti, which I didn't want to do because that's a...

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  29. No, I'm told there were none during World War II, and there were none at any other time. But the Russians had... Taught either they did it themselves or they taught the Cubans how to jam the voice.

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  30. The week is over and everybody's safe. The stations call me up and they say, Where do we send the bill? I said, what do you mean the bill? They said, well, we took all our commercials off. We have no income for a week. I call Pierre. He said, I don't got any money for this. I call Admiral. He doesn't have any money for it. So I said to Pierre, I said, if you invite these guys to lunch with the president, and he thanks them, I don't think we ought to pay him anything. So that's what we did. And we had lunch and thanked him and never got a bill.

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  31. So at six o'clock Pierre and I called, we had a conference call with all the stations, told them what was happening. And they said, we'll cooperate. And they said, well, you don't have to do anything. It's six o'clock at whatever it was, eight o'clock, whatever it is. The voice of America transmitter will be on your station. The next morning I was to report back to the Xcom in the White House, so I go there seven in the morning. The president looks at me and says, it worked I said, good. They must have had somebody on the ground, the CIA, or somebody. It worked. So I was earnestly. He said, let's do it again. So we did it all week.

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  32. Then I said to myself, How can you do this? One of the engineers said to me, we didn't even do this during World War II. So I called Pierre Beck. I said, Pierre, let me handle this. There will not be any leaks. I've got to tell him. So I call each of the stations myself, talk to the person in charge. I said, I want the owner. or the person in charge here at six PM. You're going to get a call from the White House and from me on a matter of national emergency, and I want you to take an oath with me that you're not going to say a word about this to anybody, including your new staff. Said, fine. So it turns out there were eight, not six. And oddly enough they were all over the country. You'd think they would all.

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  33. I said, okay. I went to the office. I called in the senior staff. I swore them to secrecy. And I said, how do we do this? He said, that's not hard. We called the AT&T to run a line between the Voice of America transmitter and these stations. We can do that. I said, well, the stations know about it. They said, no. I said, okay, go ahead. So we did. And then I started thinking how

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  34. The President's press secretary, he said, get down here immediately. We have an emergency So I gave my speech to Frank Stanton. I went and caught the shuttle. I got to the White House, believe it or not, in less than two hours. And the Edward Arm, who is the head of the USIA, was ill, but his deputy named Don Wilson was there. And Pierre said there are missiles in Cuba the president is going to speak to the nation tonight. The voice of America is jammed by the Russians, but there are six radio stations, commercial radio stations, that send a signal into Cuba. I want you to arrange for them to carry the voice of America. But they are not to know about it.

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  35. You have to be willing to be independent enough to... To stand up to them. In my case, in the Cuban Missile Crisis, about a week before the thing broke, George Ball was the Undersecretary of State called Me Up, and he said, are you going to be in town? Regularly the next week or so. And if not, I want to know your schedule and phone number where I can reach you at all times. He didn't tell me what it was. Well, it turned out I had to go to New York to meet with the European broadcasters when we were planning the communication satellite. So I was in New York and I was having breakfast. With Frank Stanton, the president of CBS he and I were both going to talk to the Europeans. And the waiter came and he said, there's a very urgent call for you. I went and it was Pierre Salinger. He said, get down.

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  36. I think if it had not been for the Failure of the Bay of Pigs episode early in the Kind of administration. Kennedy might not have had the independence and courage to face down the military because he learned in the Bay of Pigs episode that you couldn't trust the military's judgment. In the case of the Cuban Missile Crisis, although not necessarily.

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  37. What happened after I left that station continued its The United Church of Christ challenged their license, put together a black group in Jackson, and they got the license. They still have it today.

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  38. And I was invited to a breakfast for the Mississippi delegates, which was an all black delegation. John Bryan at Surrey had the breakfast. He was from Mississippi. And I was introduced and one man said to me, Minnow, Minnow, Minnow. He said, are you the guy that was chairman of the FCC? I said, yes. He said, I'm Aaron Gregory. And I didn't register. I said, I'm sorry, Mr. Gregory. Tell me about yourself. He said, I'm the campaign manager for Reverend Smith. I'm the one that called Mrs. Roosevelt. I'm the one that got Mrs. Roosevelt to call you. I said, really, I'm so glad I'm honored to meet you. What do you do now? Mr. Redry said, what do I do now? He says, you don't know what I do now? I said, no, I'm sorry. He says, you don't honestly know what I do. I said, no. He said, I'm the chairman of Station WLBT.

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  39. Any discussion of the political race in your community? A lawyer came to see me that afternoon and said, we're putting them on. I said, when? They said, tomorrow. Well, he went on the error. Lossy election, Murley Evers, a widow of Medgar. She was quoted in the newspaper the next day. She says, it was like the lights going on. We never had a black candidate on television before. Well, that was Mrs. Roosevelt. Years later the Democratic Convention was in Chicago nineteen ninety six

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  40. He went to the local television station WLBT with a check. He wanted to buy some time to be on television. They told him to come back next week. He'd been going on for five weeks. They keep telling him, well, the election is next week, so I'm calling you. So I checked on it with the staff, and sure enough, his complaint is sitting on somebody's desk, unanswered. And I said, What are you doing here? And the staff said, Well, his opponent, who was a sitting congressman and a racist named John Bell Williams, is not buying any time. And the law requires we treat them equally, so we're treating them equally. And I said, that's a bunch of baloney. At that time, we still sent telegrams. I sent a telegram to the station. Tell me today why it's in the public interest not to have any.

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  41. He said, why is that? I said communication with satellites sends ideas into space, ideas last longer than people. I said, this is very, very important, and we can beat the Russians. And we did. And I was very proud of that. And today communication satellites have changed the world, far beyond anything we anticipated. One of the most interesting experience I had at the FC involved Mrs. Roosevelt. Mr. Roosevelt was still alive. She called me up one day. She said, Why aren't you helping Reverend Smith? I said, I'm sorry, Mr. Roosevelt. I don't know anything about that. Who's Reverend Smith? She said, Reverend Smith is a black minister in Jackson, Mississippi. He's running for Congress.

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  42. This year I was given the highest award by PBS at their annual convention and I saw 350 public television stations. And when I went to the FCC, there were, I think, six or seven. So it's been a marvelous success. The biggest thing I did in some ways was the communication satellite program. At that time I was briefed on it and I was told that this was the one area in space where we were head of the Russians. And so I pushed it that President Kennedy took me on a tour of Installations and he called me over one day. He says, he said, Why do you think this communication satellite thing is so important? I said, Mr President, it's much more important than sending a man into space.

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  43. During the late fifties, there have been a series of terrible scandals in the broadcasting industry. The quiz show scandals. There have been terrible scandals at the FCC in which President Eisenhower had a fire, the then FCC chairman. The place was a disgrace, and the industry had not really been reminded that they had public interest obligations. So I went to the FCC to deliberately to try to shake them up. I also was interested in Developing public television And so those were the two big things on my mind.

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  44. Ah, he had some people around him, I think, who were a good influence. I kidded Bob once. He came to Chicago one day to give a speech about a new book he had written. And I had heard this joke before, so I pulled it on him. I got up and I said, I understand, Bob, that you were walking down Fifth Avenue past a bookstore and you saw your book in the window and you stopped to admire it with a picture and you walked in and the... Clerk said, Oh, I wonder if you'd sign a copy of the book for me, Leonard Kennedy. He did, and he said, I just wish your publisher had sent me. Ten or twelve books to sell. And he said, well, how many books did my publisher send you? She said, 200.

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  45. And I think he also became much more liberal. I think he had a couple one of the people he recently had with you at the Institute of Politics. I hadn't seen him since then. Jeff Greenfield. Jeff Greenshield.

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  46. He was, I think, particularly for about six months or a year. He was a totally different person. Totally shattered, and He didn't speak very much. After a while he came out of it, but I think it was such a total shock. They were very, very, very close. I think it was very fortunate that he was a Catholic because the Catholics believe that they'll see each other again, and I think that gave him the faith and the strength. Did it change?

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  47. When I was looking, the lobby was open. There was April Herrman sitting by himself. I said, see that man over there? He said, who is it? I said, he's the former governor of your state, the former ambassador of the Soviet Union, a great patriot. Why don't you get him? It says, Is he a Puerto Ric I said, No, he's not a part of me. And I said to myself, if the Democratic Party regards an unknown, faceless, stranger Puerto Rican is more important than April Herman. What's going on here? So I tell it to the mayor, know what he said. You made that up. I said, I did not make it, but I'm not going to. Some ways I'm sorry I didn't become a committee member.

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  48. You're going to say you made that up. I said, I'm telling you the story. I did not make this up. He said Illinois and New York were housed in the same hotel at Hollywood, Florida twenty miles from the convention. We used to take the bus together to the convention. One day I was waiting for the bus. A young New York delegate came out screaming. He said, you know a Puerto Rican? Do you know a Puerto Rican? I said, yeah, I know some Puerto Ricans. He said, where? Where? I said, well, they're back in Chicago where I live. Well, that won't help. I said, What's the problem? He said, We're short, one Puerto Rican in the New York delegation.

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  49. So we got an I voted, there were four of us who voted for the Daily Delegates, Harold Katz, there were four of us who voted. When it was all over, Miriam Daley called me. And he said, I want to thank you for voting to seat our delegates. And I said, Wrong that you guys had been thrown out. He said, well, there's something else I want to ask you. He said. He said Rules of men changed. We used to have one national committee and one national committee room. Now we have two. each, and I'd like you to become the second Democratic national committee. I said, Mayor, that's a great honor. I appreciate it, but I can't do that. He said, why can't you do that? I said, what I saw at the 72 convention, I couldn't stand it. He said, what do you mean? I said, Mayor, I'm going to tell you a story. And when I'm through, I know what you're going to say.

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  50. 1872 convention district here I had 17 people running as musky delegates for only seven seats so I called the mayor and I said I'd like to see you and I went and I said you better study those rules because I told them what had happened in the 10th district I said you're going to get in trouble he said ah he didn't want to pay any attention

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