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Nuala O'Connor

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“Know what color is my house or what is my favorite dog breed is being taken, moved out of the country literally to a different entity and being fed into an algorithm that is going to determine not only what advertising I'm seeing, and that's important, but also what content and what meaningful content with meaningful consequences for the democracy, right, for who I might vote for or what I know about my democracy, what I know about the election, that to me ratcheted up an awareness of The seriousness of trivial data being used for serious consequences in a really good way to put it.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As Snowden revealed the flow of data from the private sector to the government in ways unknown to most ordinary consumers, I think Cambridge Analytica and Facebook disclosures in that era were My data is being taken, my trivial data, not my sensitive health or finance or kids or sex or whatever category is sensitive to, my trivial.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“GDPR in Europe and Cambridge Analytica. I think these are the three pillars. Three pillars of the swarm, the perfect storm on privacy, California passes a law. It's tough. It's got meaningful issues. It's got some tough to comply with, maybe, is really the issue. Europe passes a revised version of their data protection directive, global data protection regulation. Tough and with real fines, exactly tough in that way. Tough also to comply with because it's maybe not clear in certain areas. And then the Cambridge Analytica disclosures of the early part of last year.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we'll know, but we may not be alive to know. We, the greater we history will judge us, and I feel very confident, again, CDT is on the right side of history on these questions. I think, yes, I think the narrative around data still persists, and I think you are seeing a lot of people flocking to the table for some certainty, especially given California.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Years ago Has to still be there. Right, exactly. Right. And not have been taken elsewhere. Right. So when you say we're at this holy story, where do you think we are? I don't mean that in kind of a broader term, but what do you think the key narratives are of this year? Now, last year it was all about Cambridge Analytica and Facebook abusing your data, abusing the platform, the Russians. Where do we go from what has been a really disastrous year in terms of technology and democracy?”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Even it's an annoying ads, like the ad for the red sweater after I searched for a red sweater that follows me across the internet for three weeks because I'm getting the service for free. I get that deal. I think we are a more savvy consumers of internet services than we even were 10 years ago or 20 years ago. What I think people don't like is to be surprised or to have their information used in an adverse way. So the bank, again, can use your money. They can make profits. They can make investments. They can get some benefit from it. But at the end of the day, you come a calling and you have to, that $10 has to still be there. Right.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Naive or unknowing about the implications of Internet advertising. I think what they don't want is to be surprised, to be duped, to have their data misused or used against them. There's a difference between saying, I'm willing to put up with some ads.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, yeah, that's maybe too far. But yeah, especially as think about it as female, but you're familiar with the Jonathan Zitrain and Jack Balkan Construct of Information Fiduciary. I mean, I think that's a really intriguing, I think it's a clunky word. The idea is that a company or an institution that is holding your data on your behalf to provide you a service, whether it's email or phone or whatever the service is, not unlike the way a bank holds your money in fiduciary trust for you, has an ongoing duty of care to you to use it. Right, to use it in the way. Now, they also get some benefit, let's be also really honest. They also get benefits, right? They make the interest and they can invest that money and they can use it to make their own profits. That's why banks get profits, right? But they also have a fundamental banks. It is, right? Because they're a lot. And that's, I think, also where we get a little tripped up. I don't think most ordinary internet users are”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Narrative about how much of my data is mine. And I don't really like the U.S. construct of ownership. I don't think of it as property right. I think of it as a human right. I'm probably more European in that sense, or at least a sense of the construct I use is the digital self, that my data is an extension of me. You're hearing my voice right now, the person listening to this podcast is hearing my voice. You now have some interest in it. You can turn around and say, well, she said that, or wasn't that dumb, or whatever. But it's still my voice. I still retain some ongoing interest. From a property law construct, that would be like an ongoing interest, a covenant that runs with the land. I think of it more as like it's sort of a body part, right? It's attached to me. And I have ongoing rights in it and interest in keeping it safe and it being used appropriately and effectively in my interest. You're familiar with it?”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The loaded term. You're absolutely right, and I should probably be more careful about that. What I mean is the recent discussion about the enterprise access and Apple turning off Googles and Facebooks was perhaps from the outside view not a big deal, but it was kind of a big slap in the face, right? There was a lot behind that, I think, and a lot more intentionality. And I think that, and you've written about it and other people have written about that as the larger tech companies start to encroach on each other's space, right? They're no longer truly separate and segregated. We're seeing some real conflict and friction. I also think we're seeing potentially real alternative visions of how a company uses your data and your information. And so I guess that's the war that I see or the conflict I see is.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's all okay because everybody can talk right. All right, so let's go through some of the things. You said it's a holy war. Explain that idea because that's a big, you're using a very loaded term. You're absolutely right.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is the inherent architecture of the platform, the construct, the entity that you're engaging with? Is it in favor of? Is it supporting the values of democracy? And are we just sort of banding about the flag of First Amendment and saying, well, it's all okay because everybody can talk.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have never gotten so lucky with a job, right? I'm right in the middle of everything all the time. Why aren't people giving us lots of money to fight this good fight? No, the fight is making technology work for democracy, to be in service of democracy, that we all, I think the good question is we're asking ourselves in the last several years, are you for it or against it, right? Are you for democracy? I am for democracy. I am willing to stand on principle that it is the best of all the other organizing options. And technology can serve those interests, but it has to be intentional and thoughtful. And that's what we were talking about a minute ago, that”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Drowns out the speech. Of women or immigrants or people of color or non Native speakers or whatever. I think there is an inherent privilege.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's really true. And I don't, well, I was going to say, don't get me started, do get me started on the privilege involved in saying speech, free speech for all.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think our national conversation around speech and how much the intermediaries, whether they be online platforms, newspapers, television, radio, whatever, what responsibility, what is the corporate social responsibility in the digital age for the kinds of ideas and speech and information you are purveying, I think that is actually the harder question because it is, and you wrote beautifully about it in one of your op-eds recently, the intersection of our old line First Amendment free expression values in this country, which CDT has held dear and held firm to for 25 years. And the new reality that the speed, velocity, volume, scope, scale, whatever you want to call amplified amplification is what I am. Weaponization is a word. Well, it is. Weaponization of speech and ideas.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Control it. I think the biggest issue confronting the internet ecosystem right now is speech. Speech and responsibility. And that sounds because we just spent 10 minutes talking about data and privacy, but I actually think privacy is a no-known at this point. I think people get it. I think you can be skeptical if you want to be about the many companies in many different areas of the economy who are now calling for privacy regulation. But I think it's at the arc. It's at the peak of the arc and it is likely to happen. I think that's great. And I welcome all the new voices and players at the table. And I think that privacy is a debate that does not only impact internet companies. It's any company that has information about customers and clients and partners. And the data should be the same on or offline. It should be a trust equation for your commercial thing.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Echo of a lot of data Right. Sketch out before we get into the next section what you think the biggest issues are ongoing right now. What are the ones that are really coming front and center right now? Because there's so many going on. And I've written about the Internet Bill of Rights and the difference in there's net neutrality, obviously. From your perspective, what do you think is front and center? Obviously, Facebook has sucked up the oxygen around misuse of the platform, what happens to data, and also addiction that sort of flies in from the left. And general misuse of the platform or inability to control it.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Again, maybe it's my human centric and also my kind of my privacy centric view of the world. I think giving more control and agency to the individual in their own data and constraining the uses, particularly secondary uses and onward transfer and all that good stuff, are a more relevant way. And the point I made and the point I made in congressional testimony is, listen, Cambridge Analytica was a tiny little company, had a heck of a lot of data, made a big impact. An antitrust analysis would not apply to a 14-person company outside of the United States. And yet the harm was still real.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Understand my world. What am I seeing and the power of the algorithm and the power of the feed of information that I receive? I think the calls for antitrust and kind of breakup of institutions may not be the best legal tool in the arsenal right now. If the goal is to rebalance the power between individual and institution and the oil, the currency, the flow is data.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Like that We've touched all about privacy and we haven't even talked about the other seven things, you know, divisions at CDT, including free expression and anti-surveillance and open internet and neutrality and all that goes to our stuff. But you're right, it is all related. And so while I think privacy and data are probably the levers I'm the most familiar with from my own career and certainly are front and center in the legislative dialogue right now in Capitol Hill, I think it is a combination of it's really power. It's really about power and voice for the individual. And do I”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, there's a lot of these companies besides the companies washing around, there's a lot of these groups watching around where you're trying to do it and try to get to a place which was in these areas. And each of them approaches it from a different angle, whether it's privacy or the ACLU or EFF or things like that. So let's talk a little about where it's going. And then the next section we'll talk about sort of what the big issues you see as and how it's going to resolve itself. But what do you think the goals right now for these kind of thoughts are? Is it privacy? Is it less data collection? Is it transparency of data collection?”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we are right to demand a level of transparency and accountability both from companies and from governments. And this job was available. And I thought, you know what? This is an opportunity to be involved and really to serve the public. Again, it's not unlike being in the government and feeling like you're in public service and trying to do the right thing.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was surprised by the ongoing kind of ubiquitousness of it. I mean, I certainly know having been on both sides of the joke, I'm guilty of all of these things, I've been on both sides of that conversation saying, give us the data, don't give us the data. We're not going to give you the data. The kind of blase, like, oh, it just happens and it's all okay? No, that is not what people, I think, yes, it's true. Americans' expectations have changed, sharpened, improved on this issue. And also...”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The suburbs Snowden was that all these companies had been both surreptitiously and kind of permanently transferring data. And they did that.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've done both of those. I've been a privacy officer in a private company. I've been a privacy officer in the government. I believe we can do this better. I believe that we can keep the country safe and be judicious and restrained in our use and our collection of data about human beings. But you have to make hard and deliberative and transparent choices. And this is not what is happening here. Right. So Tommy became a revelation.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, exactly. And I think there's actually analogies to the Snowden Revelations and the Cambridge Analytica Revelations. I want to talk about that in a minute. The aha moment for people in, oh, the data's moving in a place and in a way to an extent that I did not know. It's Summer Snowden. I'm at a big company and all these revelations come out and it implicates not only commercial data projects and processes, but national security. And I'm thinking.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Did you come to this place? Because you did privacy for the things. Give me the CDT or data and privacy. No, generally. It was summer of Snowden.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Have you read Judy Estrin's work on digital pollution? Yes, exactly. I'm a big fan. And this is a theme that's been going around for a long, long time. One of the oldest kind of privacy lawyers in the field, I don't mean that age-wise, I mean that in terms of experience, Lisa Soto in New York started her career as an environmental lawyer. She's the first person to say to me, you know, the bell curve of criminal act or bad act and cleanup and self-regulation and regulation, it's exactly the same bell curve we're seeing in the environmental world, now we're seeing in data.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“With and against companies when necessary to say these are the practices, these are the best practices in what you do. And I'm just reading an article I'm going to share with you in a minute on the analogy between environmental compliance and privacy and data compliance. I'm excited to call.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Little bit, we both cajole, we sweet talk, we criticize when necessary. You know, our partners in advocacy are everyone from the ACLU to any number of privacy groups. I'm thinking in other areas, the environmental defense fund. They both work.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, because they have all sorts of They have data not only about U.S. citizens. I'm talking about drones flying over the borders Difficult times. We're going to talk about that in a minute. We do a little bit advocate for humans. What does We've got Generally, when you do the research paper And help people have confidence that their vote is counted. We literally talked about this. Yes, and we go. External part. That's a big What my kids are”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Northern Ireland. Okay, all right. Where's that Eric Schmidt wandering around trying to influence things? I say, I'll take anyone's money. He wanders around trying to overcome it. Really? Well, a little bit. That's true, sure. Very diversified portfolio. Yeah. We think is It will be great again.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And your goal when you do these things is to do what? Is to convince legislators to improve policy in both the private sector and in the government. So it started really, you're asking where you stand, 1994, direct to government advocacy, Capitol Hill lobbying, saying, you know, don't pass this law, do pass this law, improve privacy and security for end users, whether it's government data collection or private sector. I think what I call our direct company advocacy, which is going to companies and saying, don't do that or do that differently, or if you do that, people are going to be really upset about it.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Their vote is counted, and that is counted accurately. So, I like to say in the last two years, we are going back to the fundamentals of democracy, and we're taking the democracy of our test ride in the United States generally. When you do the research paper stuff, what's your goal? What is the goal? The goal is to help secure voting technology in this case. It helps secure the democracy and help people have confidence that their vote is counted. We literally have talked about this. Yes, and we go door to door, literally to the states and to the secretaries of state, and we have seminars, and we have webinars, we do some teaching, we do that sort of thing, we're doing similar work in education technology and education data, helping state-level officials improve their education data systems, make sure they're secure, making sure they're not buying kind of vaporware from external. That's a big issue is the transfer of data from the private sector to the public sector and the sale of goods and services that are data collecting and the use of commercial technologies in the classroom. I'm a parent, I'm very concerned about what my kids are seeing and what they're using.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And we had a lot of freedom to run in that department because it was so new. And, you know, it was an issue of first impression. And how did you think that's evolved since then? Did they continue to have privacy officers? Every agency that I'm aware of now has officers. That office that I helped start is still alive and kicking and doing well. I think these are really difficult times. We're going to talk about that in a minute. And so tell me what you all do. What do you do? What is advocate for humans? What does that mean? We do a lot of long-form research and writing. So, you know, foundation grants, one of our biggest projects right now I'm really excited about is studying and helping advocate for better cybersecurity in voting technology. So we've got this across the country funded by the Democracy Fund, a foundation to help secretaries of state and state election officials get better and do at least not only the minimum, but get to a baseline level of data hygiene and security hygiene so that our country can trust that”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What does that mean? When it started. So it was the first statutorily required Chief Privacy Officer in any federal agency, which meant I was responsible for looking at the data uses of all of the divisions. Right, because they have all sorts of data, you know, the question is, do they really need that? And how are they using it? And are they being honest and transparent with the citizens and visitors to this country? So they have data not only about U.S. citizens talking about drones flying over the borders. Right. And emerging technologies. I mean, at the time I was there, this is what right after 2001 the big issues were airport security and screening people at the airports and body scanners and those sorts of things. But I had a great champion and my boss Tom Ridge who said, you know, we want to keep the values of this country as well as the people safe and the values of freedom of movement and freedom of association and freedom from ubiquitous surveillance. So I had a great champion. It's great to have a good boss.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Federal government, Homeland Security in the startup days doing data privacy and private practice of law and a little company way back at the beginning of the internet called Double Click, which is an online advertising company now owned by Google, which is the most sneaky of the companies. Double click or Google, which, well, bought a company that really did spy on people quite beautifully. It's really the begin. It was the earliest days. It was 1999. And bought it in Trump. They didn't have a business. Google did not have a business and started to really go hop up on advertising, which required a lot of data. Which is the lifeblood of fuel as Roger McService, right? These were the old, old days when people were afraid of cookies. And I think what that company was doing back then, it looks positively Byzantine compared to what we do now. But you know Nula Free is free. So that's my new teacher. I like free. That's good. So what did you do for the Department of Homeland Security? It was the chief privacy.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Lori Goldman, who's now in New York, and grew over time both in D.C. and in Brussels, funded in parts by foundations, by companies, by individuals, by fundraising events, a diversified portfolio. There is no one major funder. It's not Eric Schmidt wandering around trying to influence things. I'll be happy to take his money. I'll take anyone's money. Eric wanders around trying to. Really? Well, a little bit. That's true, sure. Very diversified portfolio, but no one funder determines what we stand for. We stand for the human and what we think is. And you work, give me your background a little bit. Yeah, so I am a lawyer by recovering lawyers, people like to say. I've worked in government, in the private sector, in big companies and small companies, previously to CDT. I was at Amazon as a data governance person, General Electric for a long, long time, the once great general electric company. The once great. It will be great again. Exactly. But great training as a man.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We are a nonprofit 501c3 charitable organization focused on the rights of the individual in the internet age, in the digital world. So human rights, privacy, freedom of expression, freedom of association, security, anti-government surveillance. So we are centered on the human right now, the rights of the human, I hope, are still predominant in our structure and obviously the values of democratic society around the world, which are in peril, I like to say, the democracies in peril at home here in the United States and elsewhere in the world. And so how do we, and how did it start? Who's funding it? The original, and I'm completely transparent, it's all on our website, the original Hardy Band of Internet advocates and internet human rights advocates around the dawn of the commercial internet in 1994. So we're celebrating our 25th anniversary, and they are people like Jerry Berman, Deirdre Mulligan, who's now at Berkeley, Danny Weitzner, who's now at MIT, Jonah Siger here in DC.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hi, I'm Kara Swisher, editor at large of Recode. You may know me as a big believer in privacy except for the people covering up the scandals in Washington, but in my spare time I talk tech and you're listening to Recode Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today in the red chair is Nula O'Connor, the president and CEO of the Center for Democracy and Technology. Previously, she worked at companies like Amazon and General Electric and was the chief privacy officer for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. NULA, welcome to Rico Decode. So delighted to be here. There's so much to talk about. You just started. We were just talking before this taping started about what your themes are. And I think, did you say war going on, essentially, right? I described it as a holy war, which is really saying something given that I was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Okay, all right, we're going to get used to that. But first, what you explain how you got to where you are, worked at these companies and what the Center for Democracy and Technology does. Thank you so much here in DC. That's right. We are here in DC and in Brussels and around the world.”
2019-02-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Center for Democracy and Technology CEO Nuala O'Connor · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT