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1. “I agree Jealousi brings us. Bring us dangerously close to envy. I mean, maybe let's see if a heuristic we could agree on, right? Let's see. So let's say, okay, if we look at the terrain of the mind as geography, right? So if I'm feeling happy, satisfied, like I'm pretty far from envyland, right? But if I'm feeling jealousy now, I'm coming kind of closer to that border, right?”

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2. “That's why I think jealousy is different, right? Because you're saying there's a week of jealousy. Like, I don't like this, right? I don't like, but if you take that in a way that says, wait a second, actually this is awesome. This is fabulous. And this person did this. That person's awesome, right? Then you're not raining on anyone's parade, right? And in not doing that, even inside your own mind, you gain a greater cognizance of your own capability, right? Well, if he can do that or she can do that, why can't I too? I want to make the better trinket too, right? Now you're thinking creatively, nowhere in there in there was the emergence of evil.”

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3. “Nurture that. I don't want to foster that. Or do I choose to nurture and foster that? And I think ultimately on a subject of Hitler as evil, if Hitler had kept winning and winning, right? I think ultimately he would have been the only person on earth. And I really do believe that ultimately everyone, everything else would be killed because it's such destruction, right? Destroy everything. And probably when that didn't work, then there's the destruction of the self, right? Because nothing. Envy that is stoked by the sid of flames of evil, and what you see is more and more anger and more and more frustration, which is why I really do believe someone like that who nurtured evil in themselves that way ultimately would destroy. There'd be like him and one other person, then he'd kill the other person.”

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4. “I believe the answer is yes. If you think, do we all have the possibility of evil in us? I think the answer to that is yes. But we have... Free will we have choice we can choose what we do with that which is why just because someone is a sociopath for example doesn't mean that they're not responsible I mean our medical legal jurisprudence right has absolutely borne that out that legally medically we think okay if we're responsible presuming we're healthy we're not unhealthy in other ways that eliminates our ability to to be circumspect, but that we're responsible for what we do and don't nurture inside of us. I mean, there are plenty of things we could decide to nurture anger and hatred about. I could think of slights, difficulties, whether it's something someone else has done to me, or I could blame fate or I could be mad at God or the world. We can all make those choices and we're responsible for them or for recognizing things in us that are like, oh, I too have that in me, but I don't want to.”

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5. “lead to trying to soothe that deficit right through envy. And I think it starts with that and it often starts in childhood, not always, but it often starts in childhood when the child's brain in psychology are so vulnerable. And you see salient child abuse. If, you know, if you look at what was Hitler's background and what was Stalin's background, and I mean, you could look at almost anyone who's perpetrated evil, they're serial killers or whatever it may be. The majority, not everyone, but the majority had these lessons in childhood that said, you're not good enough, you can't keep yourself safe, no one cares about you. And in a subset of people, that's going to generate envy. That seed of evil then gets planted and nurtured. A fighter jet roars”

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6. “Right, because we think from the perspective of destruction, success would have led to the need to conquer more. Then there's factions and infighting, and then eventually you get the same mass destruction, right? And never does the inaction of evil satisfy what the person is initially seeking. People want to feel better about themselves, right? Winnicott, who was a British pediatrician who wrote about children and adults from very deep perspectives, he wrote about the idea of good enough, right? And you can sort of extrapolate that to like, we all want to feel good enough, like not just limp over the line good enough, but I want to feel good enough that I'm a decent person in the world and like what I do matters. And I can have an impact on people and, you know, people can like me and care about me. There's a simplicity there that people want that when people don't have. And there's certain other factors, maybe they're temperamental factors or historical factors can”

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7. “Spreads. You think 50 to 60 million people dead in the Second World War, which truly was a world war, what destruction was spread around the globe?”

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8. “And that's the end point that's being served. What's being served is destruction, which is why it always brings more destruction. How many times do wars that were started for purposes that we would look and say, like, those were evil purposes? Like how many times does good come of that? Even if we look at the modern world, what comes of it is more evil, is more destruction. Hitler's outward destruction eventually came inward and you see pictures of what Berlin looked like after the Second World War. It wasn't just destruction perpetrated outward as awful as that is. It's catchy, right? Like people used to worry if you, you know, before during the time of the Manhattan Project, right? If you start this chain reaction, we blow the whole world up, right? Or will it stop within this bomb or not? And we see, okay, the chain reaction of evil hasn't yet blown the whole world up, but look at how the catastrophe”

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9. “Then nurtures that seed of evil, which is a choice. And I can't paint well enough. And no one appreciates me. And I don't like how I look and I don't fit in with the people I want to fit in with and then on and on and on and on and on. And there's a hatred of self through that lens of misery, of just being repulsed by the self. But that's unacceptable to the self. So, oh, it has to be someone else's fault, right? It's not my fault whose fault is it, right? And then you see en masse the inaction of evil towards groups of people who somehow in this person's mind are responsible for his misery. And there's the justification of evil and then all the, you know, whether it's this will be better for the economy, this will be good, this will be that. That's all lies built to justify the evil.”

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10. “Now, a person is cultivating evil They're saying, hey, there can be seeds of evil in all of us. Let me take that seed out, dust it off, plant it, nurture it, right? And then grow that seed of evil, which will affect all other parts of the person's life. They won't behave the same towards others in their life. They'll become different as they nurture fantasies of evil, as they begin to create inside of themselves the motivation and the will, right, to enact evil. The Hitler analogy would say, you take someone who had a bad childhood, right, who was not loved, who was taught and told that he was less than. Okay, like that, we know that happens. I mean, that's why child abuse is so evil, right? It's telling children the worst possible wrong lessons, right? They're not good enough. They'll always be hurt. They can't keep themselves safe. They don't deserve safety, right? So then you take someone who...”

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11. “Yes, that's a way to convey something that's entirely different. Because if I start thinking, you know, I'm not going to try and make things better, right? I'd like instead to harm you, that's qualitatively different.”

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12. “You're right that there's a causal Can be a causal chain, right? Like, if I'm not feeling jealous, maybe I won't ever feel envious, right? So you can see, okay, so it can kind of lead to an open gates, to huh, like, how much do I dislike that you have things that I don't have, right? So yes, in that sense, but, and I think this is the part that I think is so important that I think there is a disjunction, right? There's an asymptotic shift, right, from one thing to another because I was thinking in my life.”

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13. “So the things that just by being human, like we can, for example, we can feel compassion, right? We can feel interest, right? We can feel jealousy in that benign sense. It's all part of just being human. If we start going from, hey, you have more crops than I have. And it seems like I actually have a better life in a lot of ways than I have. I'm going to kill you. That's not a progression of something benign, right?”

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14. “I think, no, I think that jealousy is a natural part of the human phenomenon that we go through life and we see like, oh, I'd like to have that. I think it's part of our incentives, right? If I'm farming and I have one row of crops and I look over and I see that you're working harder and you have two and I'd like to have two, that can make me work harder to have two.”

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15. “It's just a thought, and it's a thought that can result in strivings or acceptance, right? It's very, very different. It's completely different than envy, which is destructive. It's the thought of I see something that you have that I don't have, right? And instead of me working for it or accepting that I don't have it, what I'd like to do then is bring you down, take you down to where I am, and then I'll feel better, right? Because from the perspective of envy, it is all relative.”

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16. “I think it has all to do with him, all to do with him. There's not a love of the people with whom he allied or even a sense of the people who he persecuted were worse than him. It's all projections out of what was going on inside of him, which was an intense sense of inadequacy, a rage at being someone he perceived as lesser than. That's the difference between. So we can define words in different ways, even within psychology, but let's say we take the definition here of sort of jealousy as being sort of benign, right? The idea that, oh, I might see something that you have that I don't, and I might think, I'd like that. Maybe I'll work harder to get it, right? Or maybe I can't get it. Maybe it's that you're younger than I am. They say, okay, you know, okay, you have that and I don't. I mean, I've other things too. I'm okay anyway. But I might want those things, but it's very benign, the jealousy. I'd like to be younger. I'd like to be rich or whatever it is that we people think, right?”

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17. “And this is okay, right? And this is even good, right? But it is all a lie, right? It's a lie that's adorning that what I believe is the fact I believe that what's going on is the gratification of envy inside of the person. And whether someone says, oh, I think this is good and it's okay if a million people die, or I'm going to enjoy that a million people die, I think is the same. I think the enjoyment, the gratification of the orchestrated evil is there and that it all comes from vulnerability and insecurity. It all comes from deficits in the sense of self.”

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18. “It's built upon it says, I'll explain, logical lies, right? Because People can build lies upon specious logic, right? So the idea that, okay, I am doing good because I believe that this ethnicity of people is good and this is bad. And now I'm going to do this and I'm going to make the world different and it's going to bring better to the world. And now I'm raising armies and I'm building concentration camps. And I think like this is all in the service of good is I don't think anyone ever thinks that, right? Or they think that, but because they're living in the surface patina, right? Like they're not allowing the hurricane in that blows away the handkerchief and says this is all evil, right? I mean, how do you decide that some group of people is good and some is bad and like what is it that you take upon yourself to play God or make decisions about the world? And I think what really is going on is people are not doing that, right? There's something cobbled together to say like, why this is right.”

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19. “I think it's all feel better. I think the idea that Hitler thought he was doing good is like that is such a thin facade that it flies away like a handkerchief in a hurricane, right?”

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20. “Is that an indirect way of bringing pleasure? So it gets very complicated what's going on inside of us. And sometimes the perpetration of evil things can be through misunderstandings, anger, impulsivity. I mean, there are things that we can have in us. And other times there can be other things going on which are through the lens of unhealthy human psychology. So, for example, the psychology of envy, which I think drives the lion's share of the orchestrated evil, right? There's a difference between impulsive, reflexive. evil and highly orchestrated evil, which I think is driven by envy.”

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21. “Can I clarify first that I think the capacity for evil I do believe is in all of us there's a difference between enacting evil and a sort of preset followed developed plan of evil, right? I don't believe that all of us are capable of doing what the people who perpetrate the most evil do, right? But I do believe that we're capable of perpetrating evil, right? And the one thought would be that there are drives in us. I mean, there certainly seem to be drives in us towards survival, towards gratification in some ways towards pleasure. And that can get very complicated because pleasure inside can be relief of distress. So if I feel very badly about myself and I can feel a little better about myself by making you feel worse about yourself, right? Which that plays out in a lot of human beings.”

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22. “Yes, we'd be a lot less likely to say, hey, I don't like you because of something, whatever it is, you know, race, religion, culture, sexuality, gender identity, whatever it is. Or I want to say I want rights that you don't have, right? Or I want what you have, right? I mean, there's so much of this. And I understand it's driven by scarcity and by human insecurity and envy and all of these things that I think drive us towards destruction. all of that recklessness comes from Not having this initial appreciation and respect that you're referring to and just marveling at like, wow, okay, we're here. That's amazing. Let's start with that.”

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23. “There was so much more that was amazing and mysterious and seemingly impossible, like even how a cell functions, what is going on inside of a cell, the transport mechanisms and energy functions and diffusion functions. And then you can go down to smaller levels than that. But when you come back out and you say, how will those cells make a kidney? It's not explanatory. You know, I remember asking the OB who had delivered my first child, right? I was so amazed and I asked him like, what do you think? Like, what do you know? You do this, right? You're seeing this life created. And, you know, and his thought was nothing, right? I just marvel. You know, I mean, I get to do this, but I just marvel at it. And I think the more we know. About us, the more we respectfully marvel.”

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24. “Science isn't a God either, right? So if we think of science as a tool and not as an endpoint in and of itself, what is the science telling us? Like I remember showing up at medical school and it really is true. I mean, I knew so little about the human body. I'd only been in hospitals to visit people. I taken pre-med classes, but sort of intensely at once after I didn't take any and I was working in business, I knew next to nothing. And I had this idea that was so naive in retrospect that I was going to learn so much, right? I was going to answer these questions because I was going to learn what's going on in the body? What are these organs doing? What are these cells? And what I learned was.”

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25. “Sanctity of things, right? You know, keeping things together not destroying things, building novelty, including novelty of knowledge, novelty of sentience. It fits with the idea that we're not not nothing, that that's incredibly improbable, and that there are these many, many layers of emergence that we're standing upon. And I think it tells us something that we're not doing ourselves a service to ignore, right? It's not just a jump to saying, oh, there's a religious answer to everything. It's saying,”

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26. “It's so fantastically improbable I think we should be very respectful of it. And I think you said there's a creative force that values creativity. To be, well, sure, if it's a creative force, right? Its existence, its ability to exist and to create. Comes from something other than entropy, right? Something other than so much dispersion that there's nothingness, right? So the creative force will value”

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27. “Nurturing brings novelty. It brings new existence into the universe. And I think we don't think about that. We're in the middle of something so vast and built on top of so many layers. And I think it leads us to be cavalier, you know, with human life, including often our own.”

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28. “Something can grow, something novel can happen. There's no novelty in the vastness of space, even though there's nothing there. There's novelty here because I think the layers of emergence start stacking very, very, very high when we're in a place of counter entropy, which then could provide even thoughts about like good and evil, right? The idea that creating, that preserving is good, right? It's what we build upon. It's how we get to the eddy pool of counter entropy, right? So then destruction is not good. What good comes of aggression and destruction? Unless we're protecting, you can think you can think of outlined cases, but just think in general concepts, right? Destruction destroys. It brings us towards a state of entropy, towards a state of nothingness, whereas goodness, commonality, collaboration, right?”

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29. “As you think of it kind of the other way, I don't think there's any purpose to purposelessness, right? So why would anything be here if we, if The drive weren't towards Creativity, right? If I've warrant towards those subatomic particles not being nothingness that blips in and out of existence, right? Like we think is going on in empty space for light years upon light years, right? But is there a design, either natural or intentional for a schema, a scenario that allows for the incredibly rare but not non-existent eddy pool of counter entropy where good can happen, right? where creativity can happen, where ultimately”

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30. “Think is why you say, okay, do the atoms know about love, right? The fact that anything is being created means there's this over-selection for counter entropy where there can be a building of greater complexity, of ultimately of novelty. And we don't often think about that of how far removed we are, maybe light years, so to speak, from any other location temporally, physically in the universe where this could happen. And we don't think about what does that mean?”

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31. “But what could be beyond culture, right? And what is different from us, either on underlying levels, like quantum physics or chemistry or biology, or entirely different and unconceived, I think is an immense question. And I think it's one that should create humility in us, right? That look, look how much we don't know and then how reckless we are with ourselves, with our resources, with human life. And I think there it's important to say, I mean, think about how entropy rules the universe around us. How overselected are we? How many, not just hundreds or thousands of times, but how many millions of times does there have to be a selection branch point before we get into a sort of eddy pool of counter entropy, right? Where you can begin to create, which I”

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32. “I think that's entirely possible. I mean, I think the only Emergent thing, so to speak, that we build as culture, right? The aggregation of us. So you have individual human minds which are entirely unique. Even the fact that time is different for you and me, right? It may be by picoseconds, right? But we can engage because our perceptions of time are parallel enough. They're close enough, right? that we can share a reality but we're all living in a different dimension of time, right? I mean, we know that, right? So we're unique in that way. And then the unique individuals that we are, just like the cells, right, start to create not just one thing, not just a culture, but culture on top of our individuality, right? Our uniqueness, our even dimensional uniqueness of time and experience and consciousness. So we create cultures on top of us.”

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33. “Of standing on the shoulders of giants, that we're, you know, each of us, our consciousness is standing on the shoulder of a giant of many, many, many levels of emergence, of novelty, so many of which we don't understand. Everything that quantum physics means, when does time become important, right, as opposed to things happening outside of time and outside of space. When do we slot into one temporal perspective? And then the complexity just, I think, grows and grows and grows.”

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34. “Every layer because every time you emerge from one thing to another, I see it as an analog, like the concept of the dialectic, right? Where I think it was Hegel, right, who realized, hey, when you have thing A and thing B and they're complicated and they come together, you don't get a hybrid of A and B, right? You end up getting something that's new, that's novel. And I think that describes to some degree that what emergence is, except there's a whole new, it says universe of novelty, right, that comes at each layer of emergence that allows infinite possibilities that weren't possible before. And I think that's why we're so complicated that our functional neuroscience, right? Our ability to think about ourselves, about others to be reflective, is sitting on top of so many layers of emergence.”

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35. “Is there metaphenomena what sometimes gets described as sort of levels of emergence, where at increasing levels of complexity, you have novelty evolve that you can't predict? From lower levels of complexity. Like, for example, atoms to molecules. It's just one example. I think neurons to consciousness, consciousness to culture. There are metaphenomena that separate from the phenomenon underneath of them. And thereby add an entire aspect of novelty. So I think we are, I mean, I really think this is true, that we are all infinitely fascinating because these levels of emergence, of novelty that are inscrutable because you can't predict from one level to the next or understand fully are what make us, and not just us, but I think sentient creatures, right? Human beings, right? But sentient creatures inestimably more interesting than creatures that aren't sentient. And I don't know, I think we think about machine learning and artificial intelligence, I think it's that that we're trying to create.”

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36. “I think to some degree, to some degree, but the difference, I think, at least as I understand, I think of machines as not being inscrutable, that if there's enough study, there's enough acumen applied, that we can understand whatever it is we're trying to figure out. Whereas part of understanding ourselves is understanding that there are things we can't understand. And I think that's... Indispensably important to health and happiness and also to having enough humility to see how people can be different from us, how we can be different from ourselves at times. So knowing that we don't know a lot and having some idea of what that might be, I think is an indispensable part of the process, which I think is different from machines, I think.”

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37. “Coming through here, right? So, yeah, we're understanding others where. We were also understanding ourselves it's all feeding. Through us”

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