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  1. No, I think I just wasn't. I just didn't seem like a good bet. I'm not a good joiner anyway, but these friends who I was living with were fans of this morning show. And when Denise with Denouse, She was the newsgirl, Denise, when she retired, moved on a thing. It was a great show. They did open on-air auditions for the new sidekick for Dave in the morning. And I on a whim, like kind of dared by my friends who I was living with, did the audition and got hired and started the next day.

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  2. Yeah, like a sidekick. They need a little, but the advertisement actually was for a newsgirl. I applied to be the newsgirl. This is again, I was super broke trying to finish my doctorate. And even though I wasn't paying rent because I was sort of helping out around the house for my friends who had this place in the country, I did, you know, you need to eat. And so I started doing odd jobs. I was working. I worked like at a coffee roasting company and I did deliveries and I applied to work at a video store, didn't get the job.

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  3. Well, he lives. I mean, we go, we're in Western Mass part of the week in New York here. He's like a couch that wags. He's quite happy in the apartment. He doesn't, you know, he's happy to run after a fox or something when we're home. But in the apartment, he just likes laying in front of the air conditioning

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  4. Changing my preferences, and now I love New England, I still live there. I have dogs now. It's a wonderful part of the dog.

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  5. Exactly. That sounds terrible. I will finish fast. That's a great plan. My other option was that I had friends who had moved to Western Massachusetts just outside Northampton and were running a BB and they were raising dogs and it was like the fall heading into winter and so they're like it's really snowy here. We have no internet access. We're raising dogs and we live in the country and I was like, well, I hate the country. I'm not interested in dogs. I don't like cold weather and no interest in New England. Those are my two choices. Those both sound terrible and wonderful. I ended up going to New England, but then I ended up...

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  6. And so then I wasn't done. By the time the scholarship ran out, I wasn't done with my doctorate because I ended up doing a lot of AIDS activist work in London. That's actually where I started doing AIDS treatment work. I sort of graduated to that and had a lot of fun and had a good social life and didn't get much written. And then so I needed to, I was completely out of money, really totally broke. And I needed to live somewhere where I didn't have to pay rent, but I could finish my doctorate. And I thought I'd only need like six or eight weeks. So I had two choices. My dad's best friend from the Air Force. I was a very nice guy, a conservative Republican lawyer in Orange County, California. He said I could work in like a broom closet in his law office. I was like,

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  7. Plan ahead, and I ended up getting the scholarship to go to grad school. I don't think I otherwise would have gone to grad school. But once I got the scholarship, I was like, hey, they're paying. I better get a big enough degree that nobody ever tells me I should go to school again. So that's why I ended up doing the doctorate. I actually got admitted to the master's program. And then I started day one of the master's program and that day applied to transfer to the doctoral program because there's no way they would have admitted me to the doctoral program, but once I was a transfer student, I was a Baiton Swift. Day one. Yeah.

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  8. Yeah, it was an interesting. I mean, I'm not a planner. And so I look for, you know, meaning and self-actualization in what I'm doing. I look for ways to be effective. I try to find things on which I can make a difference, but it doesn't mean that

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  9. Yeah, I kind of bumbled into that one. But I ended up at Oxford and I did eventually get my doctorate. It took me a while.

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  10. Yeah, those blowout preventers and stuff had to get all better, and like all that, a lot of that stuff, all the reforms, the post-deep water reforms Trump rolled back.

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  11. But how about the oil company scientists and the regulators looking at that feed on cable news and trying to calculate from that how many oil barrels are leaking per second and doing trying to do those calculations? Oil companies said that they could handle like 250,000 barrel leaks. That ended up being like a 65,000 barrel leak. They couldn't handle a fraction of it And yet they're out there still doing that kind of

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  12. Just means that you need to be, you can't make problems bigger than you can clean up, and you have to be able to prove you can clean up your problems before you're allowed to make a mess that big. And the oil company said they could, they couldn't. Thankfully, Steve Chu figured it out. But the Halliburton should announce.

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  13. Their idea was literally let's shoot junk at it through a fire hose and see if that stops it to have no technology not just to clean it up, but to stop it when things went wrong, when they had the incredible technology to drill there, it still strikes me as like, that's a crisis in capitalism. And we're sort of still there.

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  14. That was, I mean, I've been thinking I'm working on a project right now, so let's start side project about oil and gas and corruption and sort of the resource curse and oil in Russia and all this stuff. And I've been thinking about the Deepwater Horizon because the thing that was amazing there is that the technology that it took for them to be able to drill 13,000 feet down, 5,000 feet of water, 13,000 feet through the seabed, was like going to the moon. I mean, it was incredible technology. And then when it came to shutting it down when it went wrong, their idea was, remember the junk shot?

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  15. It was specifically about booms about how to lay booms in the water to collect floating oil. Yeah, the president seemed impressed is not the world. I think amazed is what it was. Maybe weirded out.

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  16. Learning that this was actually something very new, learning that this was literally a problem created by a button being pushed by somebody who had come in and taken over the local government at the orders of the governor of such a strange policy thing. And me being able to go to my dad and say, dad, what are they talking about in terms of treating the water So that the pipes don't leach. And he was like, aha! And my dad is a maximalist. And so he's sending me studies. You know what I'm spending a lot of academic time reading engineering. He's a big reader too.

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  17. And started to notice these complaints about flint water, and it was Flint has had so many challenges. And there's so many interesting national narratives about Flint, in part driven by Michael Moore being from there, Roger and me and all that stuff. It was hard to figure out like, is this a longstanding problem in Flint that we're just learning about now? Is this something new? Is this something specific? Where did this problem come from? Laura listening to the activists.

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  18. You know, it's that's a great question, and nobody else has ever asked me that before, but yes, I have an outstanding senior producer who works on my show named Laura Conway. And she's just a savant. She's one of these people who just thinks differently than everybody else. And sometimes that means that she doesn't communicate with people, but it means that more than anybody else she finds issues that nobody else has seen and gets the news value of them. And she's just, I feel, I'm blessed to have a great staff. And Laura started working on the Flint issue because she was following activists in Michigan and in Flint who'd been talking about this emergency management thing they do in Michigan state government where they come in and get rid of the local government and install somebody. So she'd been sort of following that as an activist issue. It's an interesting issue in terms of democracy.

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  19. Assets in the community that are willing to do that, and you have a problem that the prison doesn't particularly want to deal with, there's a way to bring those two things together.

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  20. Yeah, so people who are dying with AIDS in prisons were in an unusual situation because in a lot of cases people were dying because they hadn't been treated properly in prison and that created a justice imperative in terms of what we as a society owe to them. But there was also a progressive and faith-driven and intensely capable network of hospices. For people, particularly in Northern California, where there were a lot of people who were dying with AIDS. And they were good organizations, well run who knew who they were and knew what their power was. And they were willing to take responsibility for helping people who were the residents of the California Department of Corrections, helping them die in the community rather than dying in a jail cell. And when you have...

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  21. To be able to work in these what were very specific goals, you know, there's a the HMOs and PPOs that are treating people with HIV in the community have this formulary of drugs. Under the Constitution, people in California state prison must have access to that same formulary of drugs. It's a simple thing to be arguing for, but it's simple. It's direct, and it's true. And so it weirdly was people saw that as a kind of a depressing thing to get involved in. But for me, it was very satisfying work because you can both, you can demand and expect that you will win those fights. And I think we made a lot of, I mean, you know, we made a lot of talk about it.

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  22. Yeah, but if you're an activist and you're trying to get healthcare for people who aren't getting it, it is a blessing for your constituents to be people who have that explicit constitutional right. And be able to work with people at the ACLU prison litigation project and other people in the Bay Area where there's this history of radical prison activism.

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  23. And there was a great toehold for making legally binding arguments to improve the situation. So there was a way to get traction on prison stuff, which is that prisoners are the only people in the United States of America who have a constitutionally guaranteed right to health care. They cannot take care of themselves. We have taken away their freedom under the Eighth Amendment. You have to provide health care to these people who the state has accepted responsibility for. As an activist, if you are trying to get healthcare.

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  24. And that's how I got involved in the prison stuff. People see that as backwards like why would you do why would you do prison reform as the winnable thing? Yeah, but it was.

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  25. Some stuff early on as a very young person, as a person not living with HIV, as a woman, as somebody didn't have a scientific background, I sort of felt like the treatment activism stuff, which was so important, which absolutely changed the world, saved millions of lives, I didn't feel like I could do that at first. And so I was looking for ways that I could help and make an actual contribution and not just be somebody who sat there at meetings. And I ended up getting attracted to what I saw as kind of low-hanging fruit winnable public policy battles.

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  26. So, when I first started on AIDS issues, again, it was when I was in high school and I started working at a hospice for people who were dying with AIDS. And that was in Oakland, California. And then I ended up getting involved sort of in AIDS education first and then ultimately with activist groups like ACT Up. Act up as I'm glad that there's renewed cultural interest in sort of the history of ACTA and ACTA is still around and still doing good work. But having being a young person in that activist environment sort of before 1996, which was the advent of protease inhibitors, which really started to change things in terms of treatment and life expectancy and stuff, you sort of had to make decisions about what kind of activist work you were going to do. And I didn't feel scientifically equipped. It was very intimidating to try to get involved in the treatment activism.

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  27. As I was coming out, around coming out to myself, figuring out who I was when I was about 16, I started working on AIDS issues.

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  28. That I was a person who was part of a community that I knew about but did not yet know anyone in and had never really considered. It's not something you consider joining. You just realize that you're part of that community. And so it was a simultaneous personal and political thing realizing, well, you know, I think this is who I am. And I think this means that this is, the gay community is my community. And that was a community that was in the wars at that point in terms of fighting for its existence. And so that became a focus for me and a channel for me in terms of learning who I was.

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  29. Yeah, well, you know, I was born in 1973, so I was 17 and 1990, and I was growing up in this little town, but it was in the Bay Area. And if you widen the lens a little bit, what's going on there is the apex of the AIDS epidemic And so there was sort of a duality in terms of what was going on. I was sort of figuring out who I am and figuring out, like I said, that sort of I wasn't broken, which is what I should have thought, but also recognizing that this meant.

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  30. No, my brother's older, but he didn't come out till years later. And so my parents, you know, it was, they just, I don't blame them at all. They were conservative and relatively conservative, and they were certainly, you know, we were conservative Catholic household and they didn't know and they were shocked and they were embarrassed. They were hurt by the way that I'd done it. My mom took it very, very hard. She thought it was her fault and that she did something wrong. And my dad was mad at me for how irresponsible I had been in terms of letting my mom know and then he had his own issues. I mean, it was just, it was a difficult time. And it meant for a difficult couple of years at least with my folks. But again, I mean, I don't want to overstate it. I mean, my parents now could not be more supportive. And I feel I'm the luckiest person in the world. I got the best parents on earth.

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  31. And I knew at the time that I hadn't told my parents, but I had plans that weekend to go home and tell my parents. And I had talked to the paper about they were going to run it the following week, and they just ran it early. And so then, yeah, somebody did mail it home to my parents. And so that was a particularly irresponsible thing for me to have done.

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  32. Because I was full of myself, I think, in terms of I was finding myself, I was 17, I had gone away from college for the first time. I was sort of a sheltered kid. I didn't know a lot about the world. I didn't know how to write a five-paragraph essay. I didn't know how to work a library. I didn't know how to eat at a restaurant. Like, it was all the stuff I really didn't know how to do. But I was very cocky and proud of myself that I was coming out. There was almost nobody who was out at Stanford. It's only me and one other kid and the whole other freshman class. And I decided that I was going to come out in a sort of pounding my chest way and I put up this letter in the dorm that I lived in. And it did get picked up and I agreed to do this article with the Stanford newspaper.

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  33. And Yeah. I was a jerk. I mean, we all look back on our coming out stories and there's this sort of identity politics shine that you put on it where it's like, oh, I was so brave. I was able to finally publicly tell the world who I really am. And isn't that great? In this case, the way I came out, I was a total jerk.

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  34. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't want to, there's no sob story in my past. And I feel more than anything, I feel lucky. But I didn't really know that I was gay until I was 16 or so. And a lot of people know when they're, you know, four, people wake up and they've never known anything else I didn't quite figure it out. I just thought there was something sort of wrong with me, but I didn't know that there was anything right with me until I was. 16 or so, and then I graduated from high school a little early. I graduated when I was 17, and I came out to my friends and ultimately my family in that first year of college.

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  35. But my dad converted to Catholicism. My mom grew up in a very Catholic household. She has sisters who are nuns. And we were an observant household. You know, it's the politics of the Catholic Church got, I think, difficult for my whole family, both my brother and I are both gay and the sort of family values politics of the Catholic Church over the last couple of decades have been a real challenge. That was, I think, the conservatism of the church on that issue made it really hard for my mom in particular when I came out. But we were.

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  36. Yeah. So my dad converted when I was eight. And again, we never had the sense that he was converting from Judaism later when I was in high school or college. My parents sat my brother and I down and said, you know.

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  37. Yeah, turns out things worked out all very, very good to him. His palaces look nice from the air. So I think that Matto might have come from Medvedev, but it's, again, it's all a little bit lost in the sauce. And extended family is all very obscure too, that we don't really know who our extended family members are. And it's been a little bit of a journey of discovery for my dad as he sort of found his cousins in late in life and figured out who's who. But it's, yeah, I have a family history, a family tree that's more like a juniper bush. Like it just gets, you can't really see the branches anymore. It gets fuzzy at the edges.

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  38. Was Jewish but sort of didn't stay Jewish in the sense that my grandfather never identified as a Jew to my dad growing up didn't raise him as a Jew. Why do you think that was? I think that there was, I mean, again, it is sort of an intriguing family mystery. I think it was probably some internalized anti-Semitism. I think it was probably an effort to both integrate into this country, but also to marry a non-Jew when he married Gertrude Smiths, who spoke Dutch at home. I think that may have been part of it as well. But at some point,

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  39. So, my mom, as I said, is from Canada. She's English and Irish. My dad's family, both his mother and grandfather were immigrant families. My dad's mom was from the Netherlands. And my dad's dad was from, we think, Lithuania, but there's this intriguing ambiguity about Grandpa Maddow's origins in part because the family...

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  40. And she and one of her sisters emigrated to the US first to Boston and then to San Francisco and they apparently hosted hot parties at their apartment. These two blonde Canadian girls hosted hot parties and my dad showed up in Air Force uniform at one of their parties and they met and hit it off and then he got mono and for some reason he felt pushy enough that he wanted to go recover on the couch of this nice Canadian girl whose party he had gone to

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  41. Yeah. And so when it came time to figure out what he was going to do in Vietnam and what he was going to do about the draft and grad school and his buddies and everything, he decided to enlist and go to officer training school. And for him, the Air Force was the only, it was by far and away what he wanted to do. My mom was born in Newfoundland, northeastern Canada, now famous because of Come From Away, the Broadway musical about what happened at 9-11 when the planes were diverted to Gander.

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  42. And it's interesting. My grandfather had been a jeweler in New York and went west because my grandmother had asthma. And so they needed to move to a dry climate and they moved to Arizona and they ultimately moved to San Diego. And my grandfather with his jeweler's skills, you know, you'd hear on 49th Street in Manhattan ended up working on airplane instrumentation at all of the aeronautics companies in Southern California. And so my dad grew up absolutely obsessed with airplanes. And still to this day, my dad now in his mid-70s will see a plane in the sky that I can't see and will tell me how many engines it has and where it was built. Like he's still fascinated by the...

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  43. Yeah. So my brother, when my brother was born, my dad was still in the Air Force, and then he was out just before I was born in 73. So he was in the Air Force during Vietnam, but he served stateside. He never ended up getting. Shipped overseas. He was a jag

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  44. Is Is an unincorporated area in the San Francisco Bay Area that is best known for being the intersection of two very unpleasant freeways. While I lived there as a kid, my town went from kind of like chicken ranch, rural. We had a ranch rodeo parade every year and everything. It went from that into housing developments, into bedroom community for the rest of the Bay Area with a lot of tension that went with it. It was turning from a sort of working class white community into a more middle class, very diverse community because the Bay Area is very diverse. And so the class and race stuff happened in a way that was dislocating to a lot of people and it meant for lots of really fraught like hate crimes and

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