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Rebecca Kelly Slaughter

lines on the record: 157
first: 2019-09-30
most recent: 2019-09-30
sittings or episodes: 1
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“100% and immediately Facebook dating you need to get on that really important question should all be investigated 100% dating I just don't I'm sorry they can't have that they can't have that they can't have that”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and listen, I think there are reasonable questions being raised about all the very large companies. Right. Reasonable question should all be investigated”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you maybe couldn't understand this. It's this very technologically complicated but really important thing that you don't want to screw up.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and AI, people use just to mean like computer magic, blockchain. Again, I think there are terms that people use. To me, they feel very like marketing. And that's fine if you're using them to mean what they actually mean”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because blockchain. So AI blockchain and 5G in particular are words that people use to mean like tech magic. Tech magic. Tech magic will solve all of our things. 5G. I don't know if you've heard 5G is going to solve all of your tech problems. Apparently.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Like, that doesn't resonate with me particularly. We should be concerned about China. We should be careful. We should think seriously about the national security implications, particularly on the infrastructure side. Sure.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where is that concern located, and how do we change it? And I, so I don't think we can just say, well, we can't regulate tech because China.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm concerned about China. I think they're really material national security issues. I also, in the Senate, in addition to handling tech and telecom and antitrust and consumer protection, I did a fair amount of national security work. I think there are real reasons to be concerned about China. But I also think that there are some things, like I have a few pet peeves about excuses or what I think of as code words that people say to excuse not doing something they include because China.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I don't tend to be. And there, I might have one more final one. Their idea that you need to be careful out regulating because of China, because of China's principally, they don't really care about Russia or any other country.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think, yeah. I mean, listen, being smart is important and being smart involves being informed and being informed, I think, includes talking to the people who are actually doing the work and understanding at least their explanation for why they're making a decision that they're making. You know, you have to filter everything through the lens of who's speaking. But I think getting that information is valuable. And I've never said. You know, occasionally they have executives in town and they ask to come meet. And I always say yes because I think that those conversations are important. It doesn't change my enforcement outlook. And I also think it's good, I actually think it's good to be transparent in the other direction to share my perspective.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Outside of the scope of the investigation and outside of the staff, and I don't like to create Impressions about who is or isn't under investigation. So I have a pretty open door and we'll meet with anyone who wants to talk to me. And many of these companies I have occasion to talk to in the course of investigation.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So a lot less time now in this job than I have done in my previous job because I don't like to talk to companies that are under investigation”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Returning to some long term thinking about investment in the workforce and investment in the economy would be really valuable.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I do also love AirPods. Very pleasantly surprised And I think that there are companies that are trying to innovate on privacy issues and consumer protection issues that's important. I think these companies are making, like I said, products that people like that in many ways make our lives better and easier. I would like them to focus on how to maximize those benefits. And make sure that they don't come at the cost of personal privacy or autonomy and that they are really conscientious and forward thinking about avoiding problems Actually, I think this is an across the industry, across the economy problem, the sort of short-termism bottom line thinking that companies are really interested in the short-term problems that they have to deal with and making money for tomorrow and their immediate return and their immediate stock price.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Together that I think is really important. All right, finishing up, what would you like to see from these tech companies? Say something good about them and then say what they need to start thinking about. If you're talking to Silicon Valley right now. So let's start with a positive thing.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I just worry that doing that is high cost for limited benefit and risks losing some of the lens that we have, again, from the competition and consumer protection side together that I think is really important.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I think our hands are tied in a lot of meaningful ways. We should still fight with that tied hand. We should be honest about those.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's some bad case law out there about whether and how we can get money to help provide redress to consumers. I would like that to be fixed. We also right now don't have the authority to go to court on our own to seek money. We have to get DOJ's permission. Right. That's not great. I would like us to not have that. So there are a lot of tweaks of the law. That I think could really juice up”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I also think that we could use better rulemaking authority. Right now, we have this sort of, I describe it as the cranky neighbor of normal rulemaking. Yeah, it's around your mouth. Yeah, the Magmos rulemaking, it takes a long time. We have to go through a lot of process. For the record, I actually think it's worth us doing a data protection rulemaking under Magmoss now, again, trying, seeing what we can do, but better, more facile rulemaking authority would be useful. The ability to issue fines for first instance violations, or at least to seek them, would be really valuable.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it has some limitations in the law, but I think it can do it. It isn't a question of we need to throw out this agency and start from scratch, but I think we need to have the will to be aggressive and creative and thoughtful. And then in terms of what else we need, resources for sure, resources, resources. I think we really need to staff up on technologists in particular to make sure we're understanding what we do”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They are related, and I worry that if we had a data agency, an internet agency that did data, That you would lose some of the competition lens that I think is really important to apply to some of these questions and make sure that that expertise is there. Now, part of why I think it's important to articulate a different view for how we handle some of these cases To make the case to people that I think the FDC is capable of doing this work, and I think it can do it.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The fact that the FTC does both consumer protection and competition makes it to me not just a good but an important place to house internet.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and most European countries at this point have a data protection agency that's not specific to internet, but it is specific to data issues. Here's what I will say.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We should Finish up talking about two things. One is do you imagine that there should be an internet agency, a separate internet, that it's in the FTCs? And then if not, what do you all need besides more money and lawyer? Obviously that would do it, like a stronger charge essentially. Nancy Pelosi brought this up. I think a lot of congressional people have brought this up to me. Should there be an internet agency? There's an SEC. There's stuff that handles banks and stock market and all kinds of key industries. This is an industry that doesn't have that.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. So I think that we can think about it. I want us to think aggressively. I want us to really be listening to all the voices and especially the civic society advocates, the consumer advocates, not just companies. We should listen to companies and we should always consider the source of what we're hearing and what is in somebody's interest.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and so we announced that we're doing that and somebody said, well, you just did that seven years ago. Like, that's pretty recent. And I was like, no, tech years are like dog years. Seven years is like a lifetime. What was going on on YouTube seven years ago? We need to be, it makes sense that we're updating it.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In three, five years. The way I've been describing it, you know, the FDC is in connection or Around the same time as we announced the YouTube case, we announced that we're reviewing the CAPA rule, one of the few areas where we have some more facile rulemaking authorities on CAPA.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I will tell you that in my current capacity at the FTC, what I try really hard to do and what I think all of my colleagues do, and I will defend them on this too, is to tune out some of that noise, put our head down, look at the case, look at the facts, look at the law, and figure out what is the right thing to do and do that. And I think that's good. That's what we need to be doing. In terms of a legislative approach, On all things, and not just now, legislation is challenging. And I know that from the time I spent in the hill. I will say that, you know, I know a lot of the staff who are working on privacy and tech legislation, and I know a lot of the members, and they are smart and they have integrity, and they are very thoughtful about what to do. And I think they are particularly thoughtful.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are material consequences to these things, and that's not a partisan comment for me. That's a we should not want our elections interfered with. We should not want people to be manipulated politically. We would not want children to be subject to this content.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“and its material in ways that we don't always realize. I mean, one of the things that I talked about in my Facebook dissent a little bit was that Cambridge Analytica is in everybody's mind for what it did in the 2016 election. They were involved in the 2014 elections too. In the 2014 elections. Yeah, but the 2014 U.S. Senate elections that caused the Senate to flip partisan control.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. No, no, it is because you're. But then my next level concern is okay, fine, I delete that app, put on the paid one. Not a problem for me. I'm cheap, but I'm not that cheap. But not everybody has those resources. And it cannot be the case that... Not just privacy, but being free of data abuses is just for the privileged. And poor people have to be more subject to targeted manipulative information.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it's not funny for society. And it's like a free university. No, no, it is because you're trading. Like I said, I use the joke Cheap Day very loosely, but you really are for what you're giving up in the trade, not just the financial trade, by the way. They're making way more money off of you than you're getting in value. It's just you're overpaying for what you're getting.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For kids, this is really damaging. It is. And like Joe Games, adults can filter out some of this, but there's been a lot of data recently about radicalization, particularly of white youth online.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. Well, and I was talking about Well, I was talking about this with someone else in this space who said his son is really into YouTube videos that focus on conspiracy theories and is now convinced that the moon landing was”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And he said there were some ads for penny stocks. There was also an ad for a for profit university that was decrying the perils of women in the workforce.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He said, why? It's just a puzzle app. And he goes, It's sitting there playing these ads for him because it turns out that if you click on watching the ad, you get more coins to buy hints in the puzzle.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally, you can go up, you can go down, you can do pictures, you can take a picture of your sister and do that. I mean, it's great. He wanted an app. I went and put one. We have a device that the kids are allowed to use that only has curated content on it. So I went to put a puzzle app on his iPad, and there were two options, a free one and a paid one.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, because the five year old will be helpful with the puzzles, not helpful, and the one-year-old will eat the pieces. So digital puzzles are great solution for him.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. I told a story about my son, who is seven and really likes jigsaw puzzles, but we don't have a lot of like analog jigsaw puzzles in the house. There's a great”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I spoke there, and one of the first things I said was, I think when we talk about privacy, we're framing too narrow a concept. We have to think about data abuses more broadly. You can't really separate Privacy harms, which are the harms when data is collected about you and you maybe don't want to share from the harms that come from data being targeted, that data being used to target information to you or make decisions for you. So like algorithmic bias, manipulative contact.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ex No, but it's something I'm really concerned about. So I talked recently, I was at Silicon Flat Irons in Colorado. What's that? It's the Colorado University at Boulder's Tech Center. It's very cool. They do really interesting, really thoughtful work on privacy and data. And they have a lot of great people working there. And they had a conference called The Near Future of U.S. Privacy.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Cigarettes. They didn't work. They did amazing work on cigarettes, for example. Exactly. So where does it come down, this idea of what role tech should have in society? Should it be more? Because you've got not just issues of breaches or data abuse or using your data for the things you have hate speech. You have all kinds of stuff, which is not something you all.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where do you look at the landscape overall? Because there's so many different, there's like 40 investigations happening, something, and obviously the key ones will be the Justice Department and you, the FTC.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I'm not naive. The legislative dynamic is complicated. Whether somebody wants legislation and whether legislation is good. Where do you live?”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We don't actually know what's happening. So there are a lot of Problems that led to this situation, and right now all the burden is on consumers to say, wait, this is a problem. And I think what you were pointing at, and I agree with, is it would be nice to have a regulatory and legislative framework that shifts some of that responsibility onto the companies themselves.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And also, I'm not sure it's entirely fair to put that in match. What do I know exactly? And I'm about as well informed as you can get about this. I don't know everything that companies are doing with my data, what they're collecting, what they know about me. We all click through all of those. Yes, I agree. Yes, I agree. Yes, I agree. Contracts all the time. We don't really have a choice but to click through them. Right.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We should We should go after. But in overall legislative agenda would be nice, like one that deals with all of them. Because I think what you tend to have is two things. When you have consumers who are not, I would say they're not unduly concerned in either Wall Street. These stocks have never been at higher. Twitter's at high, Facebook's a high. Consumers don't seem to be that concerned. They're vaguely concerned. I think I always say you're a cheap date then because they have won everything from you and you get a free map or you get a...”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, we shouldn't enforce the law against them. I don't like this company, so we should enforce the law against them. We should say, what are the actual facts? What's happening to markets, to consumers, to innovation, and where there are problems, whoever is perpetrating them, we should go after.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The harms of sugar or the long term effects of it take a little while to come to life. Are tracking consumers across properties and using that information as we're learning more about the squeeze on the advertising markets, all of those things. I think it's good for people to evolve in their perspective as new facts come to light. This is what we want from our government. I don't think anyone should be vindictive about it. We shouldn't be saying, well, I like this company.”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is not surprising to me that these products enter the market and people are excited about them. Making popular products that people like to use is a good thing. We want companies to be doing that. Yes, it is sugar, but it needs like cookies, needs to be done responsibly. And sometimes information about”
2019-09-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT