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Rebecca Traister

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“Right. And we never, I was never told I didn't know the story of Mumbet, who is an enslaved woman in Massachusetts, working in the home of one of the revolutionary politicians. And she hears the language of revolution and applies it to her own condition where she is badly physically abused within the home in which she is enslaved in Massachusetts, applies for her freedom, wins her freedom, and her case becomes the basis for the abolition of slavery in Massachusetts in 1783. So there's an example of a woman whose anger borrowing from the revolutionary rhetoric in her home leads to the change of a state law that abolishes slavery in that state. But are we ever taught the story of Mumbat, who's later known as Elizabeth Freeman? No, we are never taught the history of women's anger as part of what changes the laws.”
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“Tyrants. It's the tyrannical rule of Britain that the founders are rebelling against. And then she says, basically, if you don't include women in your vision for this new country basically purported to be built on liberty and equality and representation, we are”
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“Right. But in this storytelling, that there's always this one line for Abigail Adams that gets sort of put on the museum walls or in the PBS documentaries, which is, remember the ladies, she writes to her husband, John, right? Remember the ladies as you make this, right? That was the big feminist statement. But if you actually go back and you read Abigail Adams' letter, that same letter, she uses the same language of revolution that the founders were using. She says, remember, all men would be tyrants if they could.”
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“The way that I was taught about Abigail Adams, which is largely through PBS documentaries, right? In the story of the founder, which of course is the story of our founding is like we revere the disruptive and chaotic rage of our founding fathers who.”
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“Angry. By the way, it's not probably a coincidence that MAD works in both directions. Right, yes, that's right. It cuts a fair point when it comes to women. There's a, right. Oh, someone.”
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“Until very recently, Danielle Maguire's book, Dark End of the Street, was helped change the national conversation about Rosa Parks, but that's a conversation that women within the civil rights movement that Polly Murray and Gloria Richardson were anxious to have during the Civil Rights Movement saying, wait, let's take a fuller look at Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks was a lifelong, furious fighter against racial injustice. She was an investigator for the NAACP who investigated the gang rapes of black women by white men in the Jim Crow South and investigated often false claims of sexual violence made by white men against white men. This was her life. That was herself anger at racism and racial violence. But we don't, one of the reasons that we are still able to write off women's anger so easily in a popular narrative as hysterical marginal unstable is because we haven't ever gone back and appreciated the ways in which angry women have shaped our rules.”
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“Well, I think we don't often acknowledge the ways in which their anger may be politically consequential. So, for example, the women who first started saying Black Lives Matter, those are the women who founded that movement, which then becomes a mass protest movement that shapes, you know, not just a protest culture, but a football culture, right? Like this is, you know, our industries, our businesses, our national pastors. Fair point. That's absolutely true. And I think that that's true of a lot of our history because we're discouraged from considering women's anger as politically viable and politically consequential. What we don't see, we can acknowledge Rosa Parks and Mamie Till as catalytic figures in the civil rights movement, but we never talk about their anger. Rosa Parks has brought to us as a tired, saintly, and stoic figure.”
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“That, you know, no, it was a. In the moment that they were happening So you were talking about the idea of rage being useful, being useful. So when you're talking about in the context of women, women get maddled. Like you said, get maddened doesn't ever seem to push the ball.”
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“Right. Well, but that's true of every, I mean, one of the myths about the civil rights movement is that it had wide public support and that, you know, no, it was a minority of Americans were supportive of the civil rights movement in retrospect, again, it's the way that we talk about Dr. Martin Luther King in a kind of sanitized way that doesn't even acknowledge the anger that drove him. There's a way we want to flatter ourselves always in retrospect by talking about all the great strides we've made without talking about how a majority of Americans resisted those strides in the moment that they were happening. But there's no question that Black Lives Matter changed the nature of the discourse around politics, pushed politicians, many of whom, you know, if you look back at 2016, still both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were resistant to being challenged by black left. So you're talking about the idea.”
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“Kids getting killed Except it's interesting you say that about it. When you even say, look, they don't look. I have relatives and I'm like, look at the videos. They're like, well, and I'm like, there's videos now. And you still won't accept it. Right.”
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“It's activists who are furious at the state killing of African Americans who are, and in fact, thanks to the media and the ability to show streaming video of kids getting killed, getting killed, that echoes some of the way that visual media was used to show the ravages of lynching. Emmett Till's body, that is part of what enables Black Lives Matter to erupt in the way that it does. And this determination, an angry determination to make those who don't want to look look at the violence that is being enacted by the state against African Americans all the time. And that movement becomes incredibly important to shaping our policy.”
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“And the stories around Hillary Clinton contributed to that too. Look, the next woman president is going to be a woman. Inevitably, she might as well have been the president. It was all part of this decades-long lie that was absorbed by the people who had the power to propagate it, that we had fixed the glaring and defining inequities on which this country had been built. But there was anger that was bubbling up resistant to that narrative. So you had Occupy Wall Street, which was a furious demonstration in response to economic inequality. Black Lives Matter. You know, that comes during the Obama administration when it's...”
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“We have now talked about this. Also, ties into the There, but there were not circumstances that forced us to look at it, right? Exactly That desire, which is natural and human. Better than they. And a population We can relax. And that was the Elect”
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“So dangerous that desire, which is natural and human, was to pretend things were better than they were if you were a member of a class and a population that could take advantage of the opportunities that had been won and didn't have to look at what had been won. Now we can relax. And that was the story of the 80s and the 90s. And then, of course, it sort of hit a symbolically, you know, when the election of Barack Obama, which was read by many in a mainstream popular media as a signal that like, see racism was like a stage through which this country has successfully passed. We've elected a black president.”
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“But I also had all these conversations with men being like, I just had no idea. And I was like, you guys, we have now talked about this three times. How can you, but there is, there is an, first of all, we don't want to think about the things that are hard, which also ties into the answer of how could people who don't have to be angry because they have certain comforts and privileges, how do they, how are they anesthetized, to not feel the anger, to not see the inequality, it's because it's easier. And we know from the way people talk now, like, can't we just go back to when Twitter was about bad TV? Like, there's a desire to go back to a point where we're not in the midst of a fight for the country's soul, where we're not in the midst of a fight where we're likely to suffer horrible, depressing, terrifying defeats, where we don't have to look straight every day at the kind of violence and suffering that has always been right there, but there were not circumstances that forced us to look at it, right? Exactly. But it's that desire that's...”
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“Course is a later iteration of Toronto Burke's Me Too movement, which she founded and led in 2006 and on. And during that moment, I have all these conversations with men who are like, oh my God, I had no idea how common this was. And I was like, but we did just talk about this a year ago, right? And then this summer and fall during Christine Blasi Ford, when you had a whole new batch of women, many of them in that case actually older women talking about.”
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“How frequent this was. Okay. And I was like, wow, maybe men are really seeing. A year later, in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein reporting, there is the hashtag Me Too.”
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“That's no idea. We just had such a, I thought about this a lot because there was this period right before the 2016 election, this kind of the amnesia, the degree to which people who don't experience it don't want to think about how ubiquitous these kinds of inequities are. So right before the 2016 election, after the Access Hollywood tape, there's this period that we've kind of forgotten that, yeah, after the release of the Access Hollywood tape and then women coming forward with their names, the people reporter, the woman on the airplane telling stories about how Trump had groped or assaulted them. And there was this outpouring. It was a hashtag campaign. It was, you know, millions of women telling stories. And I had conversations that fall, that month, leading up to the election in 2016 with men saying, I had no idea, you know, a senator said to me, my wife got groped on the subway. And I was like, of course, she got groped on the subway. We all get groped on the subway. How is this a surprise to you? And men saying, I had no idea. My eyes are open. I had no idea how.”
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“Right, right. It's an interesting question because when you think about a lot of the stuff that's going on around Me Too, we cover it from Silicon Valley's perspective, and we had covered the Allen Powell trial, and we'd covered Susan Fowler at Uber and stuff like that. That was that manifestation of it. That was this tech manifestation of it. I always say women had 10 stories like this. And they ranged from very minor, you know, not very minor, none of them are minor, like Sweetie and that kind of stuff, to the very disturbing, really sexual assault, essentially. And every woman had 10 stories like that somewhere along that continuum. And every man was surprised by it. Oh, I didn't realize it was fascinating. I had no idea.”
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“She's so mad. Something else. So the other part of that is telling people that, oh, you fixed it all. We're post-race. We're post-feminism. There's nothing left to be angry about, right? If you're still angry about inequality, then you're borrowing, you're somehow theatrical, you're borrowing your outrage from another era, right? And this is a myth that America, and especially the people who have the most access to power, the white middle class that's most likely to have, to be the storytellers, to control the cultural narratives, the pop cultural narratives, the political stories, the politicians are all likely to be people who themselves are insulated from some of the effects of what was always pernicious and continuing inequality, right? And so they could tell themselves, in part, to preserve their own continued power. Like there's nothing left to be, well, because”
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“Yeah. Do you know the joke? I mean, I hate to quote over Zan bar joke, but it's a good one. Which one? It's like man hating lesbians and stuff like that. She goes, I don't know why they think lesbians hate men. They don't have to sleep with them. It's a good one. That's a good show.”
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“Stop the United States from being a white patriarchy where power was still aligned to white people in the United States and men had still a significantly higher share of it. There was a kind of retraction after that chaos and what we call, you know, in feminism, Susan Fluti wrote the book called Backlash, right? It was the post-feminist backlash period during which part of the work of backlash and quelling that chaos and stopping the disruption was in vilifying those who had caused it, right? Which is where you get all the bad stereotypes about angry man-hating, sexless, humorless, feminists.”
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“Well, you should be because part of what happened is in the wake of those late 20th century disruptive, chaotic social movements, right, where people who had historically been barred from certain kinds of power staged mass movements to disrupt and change the way the systems worked. And so you had a civil rights movement, a gay rights movement, a women's movement in the 60s and 70s that changed the laws, changed the norms, changed the assumptions. And dramatically, in many ways, though did not fix them, altered the way that institutions work, the way that political and educational and economic structures were composed and who could participate in them and who deserved protection under them, right? And that was an extremely chaotic period in the United States. And because ultimately it did not...”
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“Well, I think that the anger had been building and had been building before the 2016 election. There was this period, the 80s Reagan, the 90s, the Clintons, the, you know, I'm still.”
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“I'm angry. I'm going to throw something. But if you do that and you're the person who has less power, I mean, that's how you get characterized as a mob, as a riot.”
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“The book, this is what I'm taught. I write about chaos, and that one of the fears about anger, especially from people who have less power and therefore when they challenge, you know, anger coming from the powerful to the less powerful. Isn't chaos. That's how power works, right? That's police killings. That's, you know, that's not chaos. That's control. But when people have less power challenge the power system, it becomes chaotic and scary, right? But act up as a perfect example of that. And I write in the book about Stonewall.”
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“We were right. Everyone was like, whoa, careful, let's get along, let's compromise. And I kept thinking no, they're exactly what has to happen. The only way it's going to make changes is by being angry”
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“That connects all this stuff. I've been learning and thinking about and reconsidering. And in fact, it's a thing we're not supposed to look directly at if we're women. And that was very, so that was the sort of motivating idea behind it.”
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“Well, it was like that initial lens that I had that I could look at the world and think about it with, you know, with regard to gendered inequality. There was a kind of revelation that I had between the 2016 election and the beginning of 2017 that was like, oh my God, anger. Wait, I knew anger had always undergirded. Like, I wouldn't have written about this stuff if I hadn't been angry about the inequalities. I was like, I'd never thought of anger as a motivating factor. I think in many ways women are trained to not consider their own anger, to distance themselves from it, to not focus on it, to obscure it. But I could see it in the years that I've been doing this writing and learning some of the history that I'd never been taught and also looking around.”
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“And what is yeah, I'm often saying, I sometimes say almond and then I go and my sons go, it's not all men. And I'm like, of course it's not. You know, you say it off the top of your head and I go many men. And then I have to correct him and say, I go most. And then it's like, and then I'm like, oh, you know, and then it's fascinating to think about it. So it led to the book. And we're going to get into more details of what it was in doing this. You thought it deserved.”
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“You know, from all kinds of angles. This is hard, hard emotional work to bring a social justice movement into your own family.”
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“The power dynamic in those relationships means disturbing the nature of those relationships makes it an incredibly heavy lift and hard to get a mass number of women angry enough that they're willing to sort of wreak that havoc on their personal and their professional and therefore they get rights. Right. So it's”
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“It has to build to a boiling point. Especially when it comes, the book is about women's anger, about all kinds of injustice, right? So it's about women who exploded with anger over racial injustice and violence and how their anger, in fact, was catalytic to a civil rights movement, to the abolition movement, to the gay rights movement. But when it comes specifically to women's anger and gender inequality, there's a specific structural thing that makes it hard and makes it one of the reasons it only happens sort of every 50 or 60 years. Because if you're going to get anger angry about gendered inequality, part of what you're, because women are a majority population, an oppressed majority, which is rare and delicate thing, it means that every woman has men in her life and every man has women in his life. And that means that the people you're identifying as your oppressors are the people with whom you have some of your most intimate relationships, familial, your fathers, your brothers, your friends, in many cases your lovers or your partners, your sons.”
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“Let's look at this from a gendered perspective or perspective that takes into account inequalities. There's much more of that all around us.”
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“But anyway, yeah, that was the early work was very much just a thrill at getting to like, honestly, and a lot of it was this pop culture stuff. A lot of it was like, you know, Brittany Spears cut all her hair off and it's a tabloid story. But wait a minute, I think this actually has just, you know, bigger repercussions. Well, yeah, and there's something about a pattern around gender and power and remaking oneself and the power to control your own image. I don't even remember what I wrote about that. But that was the sort of initial entry point. It's like, wait, I could look at the world through these glasses and seeing and see it in a way that I don't think is being talked about enough. And that was true. There was really kind of a desert out there. Now, of course, that sort of...”
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“Yeah, well, about something, I mean, they're very, very racist. You're very in ways that we're still, I mean, those are the long-term issues.”
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“Something happened in those intervening hundred years where we didn't get to the promised land. Right, exactly, absolutely.”
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“The exhilaration that she felt reading some of the suffragists and abolitionists when she was a young feminist in the 70s and thinking, oh my God, these people, you know, they're saying what we were saying 100 years ago. And she writes about how it was thrilling, but that it wasn't yet sobering and that it should have been sobering. And of course, the reason it should have been sobering is because it was like, wait, if people were saying this 100 years ago and things. And we're still saying it today.”
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“Yes, well, no, that was a pretty good time. Right. And in fact, in the book that I just published, one of the most moving pieces of journalism that I came across was one by Vivian Gornick, the brilliant writer and essayist. And she was writing in the 1990s looking back at having been part of that second wave in the 1970s and talking about”
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“It also like you, there's a certain exhilaration in thinking you're discovering something for the first time that can hook you into these ideas. And you don't necessarily come into these things wanting to say, well, my foremothers were writing these exact same sentences.”
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“With regards to Jim. What do you mean? What do you Bigger story Right. That it was like the Seinfeld Was Well, I hadn't at that point. And The generation that emerges 30 years before, but that's. And I think”
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“Right, high heels. What's up with that? It was like the Seinfeld routine of feminism. It wasn't quite that bad, but it was very, there wasn't a sense of the stuff that had come before. For example, you say, oh, well, Gloria Steinem was doing this kind of stuff. This is what Ms. Magazine was. Well, I hadn't, at that point, I mean, I knew what Ms. Magazine was, but I hadn't read those stories. And one of the things that happens, and this is not within lots of social movements that sort of get pushed back in a backlash and then get revivified by another generation, the generation that emerges doesn't know that the people have been there 30 years before. And I think that's okay, by the way. And I think there are frustrations. There's part of what leads to generational frustration. But by the way.”
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“I wish that I had a cogent sort of vision of what I was trying to do. I was really, I felt it was exhilarating Because it was like I could look, it was a great freedom of getting to make my own beat and getting to decide what I got to write about and then considering it through a feminist lens. Now, obviously, especially at the beginning, I hadn't been schooled in any of this stuff. I actually hadn't taken women's studies classes. I didn't know much about social history in the United States. I really didn't. And so a lot of the stuff that I wrote then was quite blinkered with regards to gender and race and class. What do you mean? What do you mean? Oh, yeah, I just, it was very rudimentary stuff. It didn't take there was no history. There was no texture. It was kind of like, you know, well, this seems sexist. I mean, I don't mean to, some of it was smart, right? I'm not, you know, you're a natural person, but like, but it was totally unschooled. It had none of what I aimed to do now as a, you know, 15 years later, which is trying to tell a bigger story. Right. Seriously, that was a lot of what he hosts.”
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“Blogosphere, as it was then called, sort of blossoms. Right. And so those were the years during which I first started developing my bead. And, you know, it was a lot of pop culture criticism.”
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“Movement vilification of whatever disruptions you'd make, right? And it was like. There was a sort of hunger to like, wait, can we go back to talking about this now? Right. And that was happening. I was doing it, but there were also, you know, dozens of other people doing it. Some of them coming out of activist spheres, out of, you know, electoral, like out of the Dean campaign and the Net Roots stuff in 2004 came a lot of women who were irritated by gender politics on the left. So that is sort of the moment that the feminists...”
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“And there was a feminism on the margins. There was a zine culture. There was a music culture, riot girl feminism, but it was not anywhere near a mainstream set of media or pop culture for a long time. But about the time that I started sort of experimenting writing, basically pop culture criticism from a feminist perspective, there were other people, other journalists my age. I think there was that sense, it was like a generation that hadn't lived through the post”
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“She actually was very similar to happen to gay publications. There wasn't a whole bunch of gay public advocate and everything else because there was nowhere to go. And then the mainstream media subsumed all that stuff. So it was present, but not heavily present.”
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“As it had been before, through the, you know, through the 80s and 90s, that had sort of disappeared. The notion of a feminist media that is now, I mean, for anybody listening now, like, yeah, sure, there's a feminist media, there's a feminist blogosphere, there's a feminist, you know, that was...”
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“Anna Quinlan. You know, there was, but it wasn't this, that stuff wasn't, except for Katha, who was like super. Feminist. In mainstream press, there wasn't like a politicized feminist.”
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“Remember the playbook? Absolutely. There had been a very robust feminist media through the 70s, and there had been, you know, Katha Pollett was writing feminism in the nation throughout that deep. Backlash period where basically there wasn't anybody else. Ellen Goodman, to a certain extent”
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