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  1. Well, I'm very honored and moved actually by the depth at which you get this and for your support. And so I've loved our conversation. I really have. Having listened to you a lot, I kind of knew I would, but I still had these anxious parts. So it's just been moving is the best word for it for me.

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  2. You know, just this is a very different paradigm for understanding human nature. And it changes a lot if you really get it and buy into it. I told the story in the early 80s when I finally got that self was in everybody I had this vision of possibility like this could change everything I hope the guy comes along who can take it where it's supposed to go because I'm just a little kid I'm still waiting for that guy and I'm still trying to take it where it's supposed to go it feels like it's got an energy of its own because it would change a lot to know that this self is who everybody really is and that these parts aren't even what you think they are, that they're actually very valuable qualities who've been distorted by trauma and can transform this quickly. All of that make a huge difference in everyday life for most people. And also, you know, we're working with high-level mediators and so on just to try and bring more peace.

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  3. Well, the sort of Bible for therapists is called, and oddly enough, internal family systems therapy, second edition, which came out just last year. And there's a manual we did for an organization called PESI that's kind of step by step. And Frank Anderson is the author of that.

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  4. So, our website is ifs-institute.com and on it there's a store and there are lots of books for the public. I've written two of them. One's called An Introduction to IFAS and the others You're the one you've been waiting for which is more about relationships and there are lots of videos and there are books for kids and There is a book called self-therapy that was written by a guy named Jay Early that does sort of walk people through the process I'm a little anxious about that because he tells people to go to their exiles on their own which I have concerns about but that is also something some people use successfully I did audio course on sounds true called greater than the sum of the parts That contains a lot of exercises that people like a lot. So I recommend that. And there are more technical books.

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  5. Whatever extreme belief, emotion, sensation, you mentioned on your farm, there are a lot of trails. And those trails have trailheads where you start. And if you start the trailhead and then follow the trail, you'll come to some lake that's beautiful or something like that. If we take whatever, like in your case, it was this anxiety that you felt as the trailhead that led us to this adult part that was protecting the exile. So any kind of symptom becomes that, becomes the trailhead that'll take us to a pot of gold really.

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  6. Empathy, yeah. So rather than being critical of you for being so scared or whatever it was, now they have empathy for this part of you and they want to encourage you to keep working with it and healing it. So that's a major intervention in a relationship as well. And so I'll have people work with the parts that are getting in the way of the relationship the most while their partner watches. So that's a whole other side of IFS.

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  7. Still quite burdened. And so the other thing I'll do is I would do a piece of work with you while your partner witnessed that work. So if let's say that anxious part was really getting in the way in your relationship and your partner watched me do that and saw the backstory to why this part's so anxious, what's your partner going to feel?

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  8. There are several next steps. So one side of IFS is having them interact with each other from self, speaking for their parts, sort of in the way I just described. But my job then becomes simply being the parts detector. So as they talk to each other, I'll say time out, you're talking from these parts. I want you both to go inside, come back when you can be more in self when you speak. And then when they can and they stay in self, just hold them in that space as they talk about their issues. And what I find is just that, just being able to have a self-to-self conversation with somebody, you do start to heal on your own, basically, just like self can do that in the inner world. Self can do that in the outer world. Now, as we do that, there may be parts that aren't willing to step back and that are...

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  9. And then I asked what was protecting, and it was this boy who would hear something very similar from my father when he would yell at me. And this angry guy said, I'm never going to let that happen again. No one can talk to me like that. And so that's what was happening for me when I was saying that to you. So you see the difference?

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  10. But that damage really can erode the relationship So when we're working with such a couple, the first move is to do what we call a U-turn in their focus. That means could each of them stop, focus inside noticing the parts that are doing the talking, get to know them a little bit, come back out when they can speak for them rather than from them So, if you and I got into it, Tim, I might say, So, Tim, it really, really, I just can't stand that you just said that. So that would be a protector speaking, period. And if our therapist said, okay, Dick, just go inside, listen to that angry part I just spoke Listen to what it protects and come back when you can speak from this open-hearted place for both of those parts. And I might say some version of okay, I did that, and I noticed this angry one, and it really wanted me to ream you out.

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  11. She's really angry about something his wife said. And she's in this big defensive part and is just trying to justify it and so on. It's just these two parts interacting in a nasty way a lot of the time. And unbeknownst to each of them, or maybe even known to each of them, those protectors are triggering the exiles of the other person each time they say something. They're hurting these wounded children inside And the more those exiles get hurt, then the more extreme the protectors become. And that's the loop that most couples are in I believe it's an Indian saying that goes something like when the water buffalo battle in the marsh, it's the frogs who suffer. So, when these protectors go to war, Both parties often don't even know the damage they're doing to the other person at all because all they see is the protective part

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  12. So, when I'm working with couples, most of the time it is these protectors who've taken over each of them and are doing the talking. So it's maybe the man's angry part, I don't want to be gendered about this. It's one partner's angry part.

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  13. Just varies from person to person. But I can do that. Notice the park's getting triggered and not think it's me. No, it's a part and separate from it in the moment is the process we've been talking about a lot.

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  14. Yeah, it just is very variable. Different clients do it differently. There are some who will do a sit for an hour every day and just really keep it going and they actually get to where they can do unbirdings on their own. And the first 20 minutes of our session, they're just telling me all this stuff they did at home. And then I, okay, let's go in and do some more. And then there are people who are more like me who I'll remember, especially if I write it down, a part that I've been working with and needs my attention. And like I said, when I get up in the morning, I'll just lay in bed and check on it and see how it is. But I can't do a whole lot more than that for some reason. I've got parts that interfere on my own. So I do a lot of the big healing work with somebody else and then I do the maintenance work on my own every day.

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  15. Still doing okay and treat it you know very seriously like it's not your imagination it's actually real even if you don't believe it treat it that way and this will stick yeah so when I'm working with clients and we've done a lot of work and at the end they'll say some version of you're a pretty good therapist but I healed myself and that's really what we're shooting for

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  16. My confidence is back and all those C words. And so I do that on a daily basis. If I'm going to face something scary, I'll do a little prep session with my parts, a little pep talk about, okay, I know you guys, this will be triggering, but just let me handle it. And then if they get triggered during a session or during a time during the week, and I can't unblend, I can't separate from them, then I bookmark that. And I call my therapist and I do a piece of work around it, like the piece of work we just did. And so then I do a lot of unburdening in the session, but then I follow up after the session. So my homework for you is to check on that boy and that adult part of you every day for about a month and just make sure they're

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  17. Yeah, one of the things I like about it most is that it easily translates into a daily practice. So as I thought about this interview and also the listeners don't know, but we had some technical snafus in the beginning and I could feel my panic parts coming up. And I knew you were waiting. And so inside I'm saying, I get it. I get you're scared. This isn't going to happen. But just trust me. Just relax. Just step back. I can handle this. Remember, it always goes better when I'm in the lead. Just let me handle this. And during that, even that time when they were so panicked, I would just feel this parting of the seas and myself would come back. I'd have access to it again.

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  18. People do have really bad experiences. I've worked with people who were severely traumatized and it set emotion, a kind of psychotic process. So these are delicate ecologies we're entering and we need a very ecologically sensitive map. And so if that were to happen either during the psychedelic experience or as a kind of backlash afterwards for the guide to know what that is and not panic themselves and to be able to work with the part that has come out in a soothing way, which also involves the self-energy of the guide so that IFS can also be used to help the sitters work with themselves. And get their parts to open space for theirself to be very present, which really makes a huge difference in the experience of the person doing it.

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  19. Yes, and we're doing ultimately we're going to do some training, but I like Michael and Annie's training, but I think it could be, there could be more IFS in there to use more IFS in those prep sessions. And then after, in the aftermath, to actually help people understand what they experienced and to follow up, to help them keep going. So, yeah, I'm hoping, I've been working at it, that IFS can be kind of the map to that territory in general. So that, yes, in addition to The prep sessions where you would first check the parts that might be scared to do it or the kinds of parts that might come up during the time and just help the person get to know those a little bit in advance and get permission to do the psychedelic experience. During it as these parts come up, even scary ones, there is such a thing as post-psychedelic trauma syndrome.

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  20. That's sort of the foundation of this work is not just accepting. You could get to a place of acceptance of that anxiety guy. And that would help him not feel beat up by those other parts. You with me so far? But that wouldn't necessarily help him unburden. You know what I'm saying? It wouldn't necessarily help him actually transform. So, this is a step beyond what a lot of maybe spiritual traditions do, which would be to get you mindfully accepting of your parts, radical acceptance. It's a great first step. But then rather than having yourself be a passive witness, accepting witness, you became, with your parts, an active inner parent, an active leader, an active, I'm going to help you. So that's one of the big differences with IFS.

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  21. Them to that point, yeah, yeah. It's accessing self and then finding the parts that are creating the loop and then doing what we did with your parts, you know, a different version of it, because they would be different parts. And then just like, as you found, this one doesn't have They wouldn't have to keep doing that loop. And then the suicidal part would see that and would say, oh, okay, I guess I was wrong. You could pull this off. So yeah, be like that. There are circumstances where the external world is so dreadful for somebody that you can't just do this inside. You have to actually, I'm still a family therapist, so I'm going to still do what I can to change that external context too. So I didn't want to be facile and say all you got to do is this healing inside and everything will be fine.

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  22. No, but I don't think you can do that, or I wouldn't try to kill him, right? I'd say if you give me a chance, I can prove that we can. I guarantee it. So, I'm what I call a hope merchant. I'm selling hope to hopeless systems. And I wouldn't do it if I didn't know we could follow through and actually stop that loop. That's generally how we work with suicide. And once these suicidal parts trust that there is this alternative, they know they're going down with a ship. They don't want to die. So if there is an alternative, they'll go for it.

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  23. That would be the answer. And so if we were doing the work, I would say ask this part if we could get that loop to stop in a different way without having to kill you, would it still want to kill you? And most of these parts say

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  24. It's okay. I'll give you the common answers I would have you ask the part why it wants to kill you, what's afraid, what happened if it didn't kill you.

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  25. So blended with it, they thought it was who they were. So yes, that first step of seeing it is just a part like you just did with the anxiety. Not only that, but if you began to get to know it, I can tell you the common dialogue we have. So I would say to you, Tim, ask that part why it wants to kill you or what sort of afraid would happen if it didn't kill you. Do you want to give a spontaneous answer to that?

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  26. So it really does help to know that all these things aren't you, they're parts of you that often are just trying to protect. So for me, there aren't alcoholics, there aren't, you know, I'm against all these monolithic labels because yes, you've got a part that tries to protect you by getting you drunk all the time, but it's just a part of you. And it's one of your firefighters. And then most people don't realize that if they took away your drinking, suicide is the next one on the list. The next one on the ladder. And that would be jumping in, if not for the drinking. So then you've got to honor the drinking part from keeping you alive. And I'll go to suicide. So I've worked many, many years with highly suicidal clients. And as you can imagine, as you probably were, we're terrified of that part of them. And like you said, they were.

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  27. Sign Wait till you're my age, yeah Yeah, so that's what we did. And then once we unburdened is my language for letting all that go, he gave up the fire. And we bring in the qualities of confidence. Then we have the protector come in and see he doesn't have to protect this boy anymore. And he, as you can see, felt much more relaxed. And we could help him unburden too. So that was actually quite a piece of work. And again, the reason we could do so much is because you had so much access to self pretty quickly for many other people. It takes a long time to get those other parts to step back and not interfere.

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  28. And at which point these exiles generally, if they trust, they can stay there and you're going to take care of them are willing to give up the emotions and beliefs they've been carrying even though I don't know how old you are, but it sounds like it's maybe been 30 years or so

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  29. And then he lets you know he protected this exiled boy who was still stuck back in those scenes of abuse and bullying. And so the way we heal those parts is what you did, which was to become a compassionate witness to the boy. So he feels like finally you really get everything about how bad it was. And then to actually go to him in that time period and do a redo in the sense of being with him and talking to the people he needed you to talk to. And for him, people say you can't change the past for these parts in this inner world, that literally changes their experience of what happened. And so then we could take him out to a safe place on your farm.

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  30. And so that's what we find over and over when these other parts step back, you enter that empathic, compassionate leader place. And once we got you in that place, I knew we would be able to do a lot because you just started to do it. I led you to some degree, but your parts responded really well to you as this leader that they didn't really know that well. And so, yeah, then we could get to know the anxious man. And so he turned out to be a manager in that classification I gave earlier. Was trying to keep you from taking risks, probably, and sort of manage your life through anxiety. And then there was a point where I had you ask him if you protected somebody else. Remember that?

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  31. Much, yeah, and it's the same state that shamans take people into. It's a real other. A real other world. And I stumbled onto this way of accessing it and operating it. And, you know, in terms of my post game, we could do all that because you had access very quickly to a lot of self for the capital S. And I gauge that by when I asked you initially how you felt toward the guy in your throat. And you said you didn't like them and you wanted to get rid of them. And then I had those parts step back, and I asked now, how do you feel toward them? Immediately you had empathy. You remember that?

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  32. All right, so let's bring in this original guide, the anxious adult guy. Have him see how this boy is doing now and just see how he reacts.

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  33. And before he does that, just if he wants to, he can invite into his body qualities that he'd like to have, and you can just see what comes into him now.

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  34. All right, Tim, so set up a fire forum. And tell them to take all that out of the place in his body and to let the fire take care of it. Just put it in the fire. Until it's all gone. Good. How does he feel now without it?

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  35. All right, and tell him he can stay there. He never has to go back to that time. You're going to take care of them. And given that, ask him if you'd like to unload the feelings and beliefs he got back there from those times.

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  36. Okay, so take him wherever he'd like to go. It could be the president, could be a fantasy place, whatever he liked. Do you

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  37. That's right So tell them you're going to be doing that for him from now on And see if he'd like to leave that time and place with you and come to a safe, comfortable place. Now

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  38. Yeah, you don't have to disclose what you say. It's just for you to do for him. So while he watches, go ahead and say those things to those people. And ask him what that was like for him to watch you do that for him.

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  39. All right, then ask him what he wants you to do for him back there before we take him out to a good place. Something he wants you to do, some person he wants you to deal with, whatever he wants.

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  40. Okay So now I want you to go to that boy in that time period, some point in that time period, and be with him in the way he needed somebody. And just tell me when you're in there with them.

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  41. Yeah, so it's really good that you're getting how bad it was and getting more of either the details or the emotions. Just tell them to keep going if he needs to. Going to stay with them until he feels like you really get it now.

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  42. Yeah. So let them know you're okay so far You really want to get how bad it was for him. As much as he wants you to. So, Tell them you're ready. Just see if there's more.

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  43. All right, then if he's up for it and ready, then tell him to show you and let you feel and sense and see whatever he needs you to about how bad it all was. And again, don't thank Tim, just wait and see what comes to you, and you don't have to disclose any of it, but you can disclose what feels okay.

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  44. Before we do, just chuck around inside and see if there is any fear about doing it. I want to be sure we're doing with full permission.

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  45. Okay, so this is a kind of choice point for you, Tim, because I'm happy to go to that one, but that would be more vulnerable and more exposing. So it's your call. And I don't want to feel any pressure to do it.

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  46. Okay, good And once again, just let him know You get these other parts have been very hard on him, but they're not around right now and that you actually care about him. And just see how he reacts.

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  47. Okay. And let it know you just want to keep getting to know it. Why does it worry so much about messing things up? Whatever it wants you to know about all that.

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  48. So let it know you get. It's confused and scared. and just see if there's more it wants you to get about that feeling of, I don't know what to do. Just see if there's more that comes.

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  49. There you go. So Let it know you have some empathy for it and you care about it, you want to get to know it better And just ask what it wants you to know. And don't think of the answer, Tim. Just wait for something to come from that from your throat.

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  50. No, no, no, no, we want the anxious part to stick around. Okay. The one who doesn't like the anxious part to step back and the one who wants to get rid of it. Just see if you can Open your mind to the anxious one. So, how do you feel toward it now?

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