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“That was the kind of art. Like you've gone through a whole process of losing weight, getting in shape, getting healthy. That was the kind of creative act.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it doesn't affect your art about your creativity. Your thoughts like when you're sitting alone and thinking about the world.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Takes a brave person, a person of character to not buy in, and I'm like a baby deer trying to find its legs. You don't have to buy in. Because I love people and I think I'm kind of an idiot. And so when other people say do this and do that. There is a pressure there. It's actually very difficult to not listen necessarily to the advice of others and yet keep yourself fragile and open to the world Easy to be like, I'm always right. Know just kind of sticking your ground. But if you want to be like vulnerable, if you want to connect with people and just wear your heart on your sleeve, then you're going to listen to them. I mean, that's the double-edged sword of it. But then again, that pain, like if you don't let it destroy, you can grow from that. Has fame affected you at all? Did you unplug from the system at some point”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So for the longest time it was some kind of suit. And then recently coinciding with going to Texas, I'm such a loner. I'm an introvert. And there's a bit of a hiding from the world when I wear other stuff. I really want did not make fame, recognition. Money, all those things a motivation at all. And the world kind of wants you to make those motivations, not the world, but I would say maybe the Western world, maybe America, maybe a capitalist system does.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, more and more, I suppose that's kind of life. It's like society is pushing conformity on you. You know, I thought I had my own flavor of conformity. I thought I'm supposed to be following. And then early on, I would say in the late 20s, you realized, wait a minute, you don't have to do what teachers tell you to do, what parents tell you to do, what society tells you to do, you can like I would never wear a suit if I listen to like my colleagues and community who think a suit is like the symbol of what is it? Symbol of conformity, actually, which is hilarious. Everything else of that nature doing these silly podcasts like.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I sometimes wonder I mean, a lot of young people, a lot of people wonder, like, what's the purpose and the specks of my antenna? Put on this earth to do. I can live a thousand lives. There's so many trajectories. And imagine the greatest possible trajectory that reveals the most beautiful thing I can possibly create in this world, live the most beautiful way. What is that I feel like that's a good exercise to think about. Because it's also liberating to think that you can do anything.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I tend to I tend to see humans as not quite special in that way. Yeah, it's different kinds of antennas walking around, listening to ideas. And ideas are, I like the notion of Mr. Dawkins, of memes. It's kind of the ideas of the organisms and they're just using our brains to multiply, to select, to compete, to evolve. And humans, we really want to hold on to the specialness of our body, of our mind. But it's really the ideas. So Ferrer was born two centuries ago. Wouldn't be a music producer. And if no signals coming in, Or you'd be hearing potentially a different signal.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would make a case so the variety of artists that you worked with and brought the best out of, it does seem like The year out of this world. So do you think you would know? If you're the same kind of species, maybe you're just a meat vehicle and you're channeling ideas from somewhere else.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is it inspiring or is it? Like, because sometimes when you have, and I've gotten a chance. I mean, I love people in general. Every person is fascinating to me. But yeah, when you've been a fan for a long time and you meet a person Sort of, I'll just remove present company. It's like, oh, they're just human. So there's both. It's both inspiring that just a simple human can achieve such beautiful things. But it's also like almost wishing there were gods moving around us. It's somehow peaceful. This is more comforting to know that there's bigger fish. I'm just a small fish and then there's bigger fish and they will take care of the ocean for us.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Anything Jewish heresy, and honestly, something, something in the way she moves. What would you classify that? There's like several Beatles songs, categories of Beatles songs. So that's like the melancholy love songs or ballads or something like that. Yesterday, let it be. Do you have favorites? So, from your, like, how have you changed as a man, as a human being, as a musician, a music producer, ever having done that lengthy interaction with McCartney?”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Heartbreak in this one too still to me, like George Harris, like, is that the White album while my guitar gently weeps? I mean, that The Beatles, it's so hard to, depending on the day, I'll say a very different song that's my favorite song, but I often return to while my guitar gently weeps is my favorite song.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would pick the Beatles over Beach Boys. So that's If I became dictator of the world and was talking to the aliens, but I don't know the full historical context to the impact of the music. I don't know if that's something to consider this kind of thought experiment. Imagine what it was like back then. To go into the studio, to do such interesting work in the studio. As opposed to like listening to just this as a pop song, almost from because I've never been able to understand Beach Boys God only knows.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You had a series of conversations with Paul McCartney, which is amazing that people should watch. But is there, this is continuing our therapy session, is there a case to be made that what's going on is number one album above the Beatles, white album or Abbey Road above Pet Sounds. You still manage”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's layers. And maybe, I don't know if you remember. Memory says me correct here, he produces this own album here, Marvin Gay, was the producer on this, I believe”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just listening. The only man who could ever reach Moses Son of a preacher. So it's like that early love or something or partially sexual or whatever. That's not as interesting to me. It's fun. It's great. But it's that heartbreak. That's a reminder. They can go deep. Although that's a damn good song.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's also the taker is important. I'm generally optimistic and hopeful, so I always like look for the hope and the, actually the harshest heartbreak songs are always somehow hopeful to me. That's a love song. To me, like a song about losing love. Is a song about the great capacity for love in the human heart. That's what I hear So to me, losing love is exciting. It's like that means you really cared. That means you felt something, you feel something, you can sit in that pain and that pain is a reminder what it means to be human. When you're that, what is it?”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't you think it feels like war if one is personal? What's the difference between War is personal too. It's only leaders think about war in a geopolitical sense. When people that fight wars, You lose your brothers. I mean, death is just right there. Might feel just like that, but yeah, there is a dance between the personal and like talking to the entirety of the society. It's like John Lennon, imagine like Also, a song where is that a hopeful? Is that cynical? Is it like melancholy? Heartbroken, like you hope you wish things would be a certain way and they're not. I don't know. I don't know. John Lennon is giving up on the world in imagine.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's interesting. I mean, I have so for people who don't know his own father ended up. Killing Marvin Gay. I mean, that one is really painful. I mean, for a lot of people, your relationship with your father, your mother, I mean, there's different dynamics, but it's almost like part of life is resolving some kind of complex puzzle you have with the people you love, the people close to you, or the people who are not there, all those kinds of things. That's so much pain in that we don't need to escalate Father, Father. I never thought if it's, I always thought it's his father directly.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It actually be cool to play what's going on in a second. But when you just listen to his acapella, just listen to his voice, it is really good. It makes me wonder if it's possible to pull off most of his songs with no instruments. Like in many parts, there's so much soul in just mercy, mercy made, what's going on? There's so many songs that you could just be like, I wonder if you could just like Just go raw or maybe in parts, or maybe do what you do with Jay-Z. Just open up with nothing. Anyway, there's something so powerful to a great soulful voice. Do you mind if I play it real quick? This is probably one of my favorite songs. I mean, it's up there. Voice”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ask you like a therapy session question. So you mentioned somewhere that one way to kind of think about music to get into music is to look at the top like 100 albums of all time and just go down the list and like just take it all in like one piece of artwork. So I was doing that for a while. It's a cool experiment because unfortunately I have to admit I've gotten lazy and stopped taking in albums. As albums And I looked at one interesting top 100 list, top 500, actually, which is put together by Rolling Stone. And they put the therapy session part. And this has to do with simplicity too. They put Marvin Gaze, what's going on at number one. Spoiler alert. I like to. Maybe get your opinion on that choice. The reason Marvin Gay is really interesting.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Try it to removing stuff until it's just right. It's the Einstein thing. Make it as simple as possible but not simpler. That's such a like finding a stopping place. Just keep chopping away and chopping away.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To sample it. Anything I have this pain I got to talk now. I'll think of something ridiculous that would make you change your mind. You mentioned I saw a video of you with Jay-Z working on 99 problems where you suggested a cappella opening the song with a capella, just no instruments, just voice. To me, I mean, that's one of the characteristics of the things of the will. sort of the tending towards simplicity in some kind of way. So that choice of a cappella is really interesting because I could see a lot of people think that that's a bad idea. But it turned out to be a really powerful idea. Can you maybe talk about the simplicity, how to find simplicity, why you find simplicity is beautiful? It does appear to be beautiful. What is that?”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So there's a moment I saw with, I know you don't love talking about previous things you've done, but it's cool to dive in there.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You say a thing, and now there's two humans that play that thing in their mind differently, in their imagination. And then there's a cool creative step in when you actually do it to see how it differs in the imagination. And then the difference or the commonality will be like an exciting little discovery together.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You're afraid of making a mistake? Like, let's add this instrument, let's remove this instrument. This line, let's remove this”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“About finding out and figuring out how to then take the next steps of bringing out the best in them. Like, is it just trial and error? Like, let's try this.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, obviously everyone knows that you've produced some of the greatest records ever, but The way I see that is you just brought out the best in a lot of interesting artists So, in order to bring out the best in them, you have to understand them. You have to hear the music of their soul not being too romantic here, but just like. Is there something you can say? How difficult that is if there's a process, if there's tricks. Luck.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Terms of lineage, the ones that seek destruction and the ones that seek happiness all come from the same lineage. We all came from fish. So somewhere in you, deep down, there's the other stuff too. It's just that you haven't been yet, by the way, because you said every new project, including maybe starting today. An opportunity to channel, to plug into something that was always there and you haven't gotten a chance to plug into. You mentioned listening. How do you listen to a person? How do you hear a person when you first come in, like we just met? What's the analysis happening? But, I mean, with me is one thing. I'm an artist of sorts. I program and I... Just, I'm human, I guess. I guess we're all creating art. How do you see, how do I bring out? So for people who don't know,”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Remember that in the movie. But we sometimes project that onto people, people who are really rough on students. You start to think, well, maybe... Maybe that is fundamentally who they are, and if it's fundamentally who they are, that there must be some pleasure in it. But it could be. Also, a deliberate choice made by the teacher”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's a coach type of figure. Who was pushing a drummer to create, to grow as a musician, but also to create something special? I don't know if it's even special music skill wise. It's a special moment. I don't know what he's trying to create. Now, from one perspective, it's just an abusive, a person who selfishly gets off on being abusive to those he's with. But from another perspective, the way I saw that movie is it's just the two right humans finding each other at the right moment in life and risking destroying each other in the process, but maybe something beautiful will come of it. Do you think that's a toxic relationship? Or is there some of that movie resonate with you as that sometimes is required to create art? That kind of stuff.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Did you ever find a group of people that you get that get you? Is that what producing is essentially you try to find the moments when you just get each other?”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“love which is, and those who were seen dancing or thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. Do you, Rick Rubin ever feel crazy for maybe? Maybe you're the one who's sane and everybody else is crazy. You know that? dancing the joy of the music, of just feeling the music and everybody else just doesn't understand. And this doesn't have to be literally about music. This is about art, about creation.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's so cool because the thing can hold thousands of times its weight. And then you get to watch it explode at a certain point from the pressure. And when you do a really good job, it doesn't explode in a kind of some weak point that you didn't anticipate just kind of starts cracking. Everything cracks. Everything explodes. It's just pieces fly everywhere. And it's literally hundreds of hours of work just explode in front of you. And that's a metaphor for life maybe. And it's all for nothing. Except for the journey that you took to get there. And no one understands. Speaking of which, back to Nietzsche, these questions are ridiculous. So you're going to have to Gonna have to try to figure out what the heck I'm trying to do here. So, Nietzsche also said”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, use glue. So it's not pure physics, it's materials engineering too. Because the way you want to do it is actually split the wood as thin as possible and then glue it back together because the glue is really strong except for the arches and things like that. So you're building arch bridges, which is a whole nother skill because you have to bend the wood”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“maybe mile four it's like fuck it he just he just run run with wind at a very slow pace but with wind and then and then you could think so it's the the footsteps the physical activity then you could deeply think about stuff ideas sort of design whether it's programming design stuff or like high level life decisions all those kinds of things i would say uh running i used to build bridges from toothpicks I used to be a thing. It's an engineering, I guess some people like glue together airplanes and stuff like that, but the bridges are such deeply honest work because at the end of it, you're going to have to test that bridge. You're going to see how good your work was, the little details, but also the big picture.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Running is one of them There's a process. So most freeing of the mind for me has to go through a process of a bit of pain for a bit. So doing something difficult. It's just like an airplane taking off or something. So I have to, like, for example, running, the first few miles would just be just, first of all, the physical aspect, which is like, you're so fat, you're out of shape. This is getting old, this, that. Okay, that slowly dissipates. And then the demons come in who are like, you should be getting this and that and this done. You haven't gotten it done. You're like breaking promises, all those kinds of voices coming in. And after that,”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, I'm kind of jealous of people that found that in painting, for example. They'll be drawing or painting and listening to, so that's the small task you do. You're coloring in the lines. It's like this gentle, peaceful, slow process that requires just a small fraction of your mind. And then you can listen. Some people listen to podcasts that way. Some people listen to music that way. Yeah.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then it connects thousands or millions of people together. There's a togetherness of music when you share that music, when you're listening to stuff together, like in a car. First of all, the car is a sacred place. So I work in part on an autonomous vehicles. And you start to think, well, what are the things you lose when the car stops being the central part of American life The car ownership. It just feels like the car when you're alone, it's like a therapist thing session because you get angry at other humans. And then you get to sit in your own anger and emotion. You get to listen to the song on a long road trip and remember, like, run through your memories, the heartbreak. I don't know, the one that got away, but also like the beautiful moments, all of it. All that in the car.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's certain songs when I started learning guitar when I was young that's like I would like to be the kind of person that not only knows how to play this song but understands this song and like Have that song be something at play 20 years ago. I've lived with that song for a while. Like Hotel California is an example. Obviously, there's the solo, but there's also the soulfulness of the lyrics, which I still don't understand. And it could be about anything. And as you get older, I feel like the meaning of the song could be anything.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, Steve Avaugh with blues and Texas blues. Just listen to Texas Flood, and just again, there's this like a woman you're missing, a broken heart, and somehow that connects you to the place, the eagles. Song the Eagles connects with you. Are we talking about like Take It Easy or are we talking more like Hotel California?”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So not until you went out west can you understand the sounds of the West? So it's really like New York is a sound. What are the places of a sound in the United States?”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have because she's married, or she's with somebody else, which I guess is quite a lot of love songs. But there's something about the haunting nature of the guitar, and then it has to be driving through Jersey. And I feel like everyone has fallen in love with a Jersey girl at one point in their life. I don't know if that's true for her. But I feel like that. I haven't either. But I just feel like that. There's something about Bruce Springsteen. He's like, yeah, I've been there. And that just takes you to a place of emotion that you just. The captures love, that captures longing, that captures the heartbreak of just the way time flows in life. And in fact, it's finite and just all of that in a single simple song. What else can capture that?”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's also the time to place the history. There's something about, like a lot of my family's still in Philly. There's something about driving through. Through Jersey, and listening to Bruce Springsteen. I'll get like emotional. Like listening to I'm on fire. That one of my favorite Boost Prankstene songs, there's a haunting kind of strumming to it. It's not a strumming. It's actually picked. It has a country feel to it almost like a Johnny Cash feel, actually. Know, makes me feel so for people who don't know, I'm on fire, that song is, I guess, what's the Love song to a woman that you can't”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, maybe we should sit in this moment and enjoy the nervousness of it. Let me start with Nietzsche. he said with our music life would be a mistake. What do you think he means by that? Let's talk some philosophy. Let's try to analyze Friedrich Nietzsche from a century ago.”
2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
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2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
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2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
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2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
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2022-04-10 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #275 – Rick Rubin: Legendary Music Producer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source