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Roger Hallam

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first: 2023-10-05
most recent: 2023-10-05
sittings or episodes: 1
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“and those values are disrupted, everyone disrupts. Historically right wing people disrupt, left wing people disrupt. The determining factor is are you utterly horrified by a social development such that you cannot live with yourself and not engage in disrupting your society? Ultimately disruption is war, right? You know, there's very few people that would argue that disrupting Hitler was a bad idea, otherwise known as World War II, right? So you can work back from that. And what I'm saying here is if you have someone come into your interview and say a billion people are going to be killed. That's a no brainer, right? That's 20 World War IIs.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is what I say to people say, oh, why should we engage in disruption? Why should we engage in civil dispediance to a point of arrest? And what I say is you're being dishonest with yourself, right? The reason you're being dishonest with yourself is that if you have values”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the first thing to say about disruption is, you know, I'm interviewed a lot about this question. And as far as I'm concerned, it's a bad faith question, right? It's a cynical question. And the reason it's a cynical question, you know, why disrupt Roger is everyone disrupts. Well, I'm not asking you why you disrupt.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not a scientist, you're not a scientist, and we don't know it's a forecast. What we need to understand is this is a unique moment in human history. We can look at civil resistance, like in various contexts, but this is totally new.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And someone says Oh, well, it's just a matter of your opinion you're not going to be very impressed. You know your daughter or son is dead. It's dead. It's an objective reality. What we're dealing with here is the objective reality of physics. Do we put more carbon into the atmosphere and we allow the elites to do that than billions of people will die? You know, maybe six billion, maybe three million billion, but it's an obscene discussion and I don't want to go there, right?”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you study the history of civil disobedience as I have, the starting point of the power of civil disobedience movements is the decision to act on the truth, like not a postmodernist version of the truth, not like, oh, there's Roger's truth and there's someone else's truth, right? We know ultimately we can't say what the truth is. But for practical circumstances, if someone murders your offspring,”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What I'm saying is, I know you don't believe me, but I'm just going to assert it again. I am not coming into this interview like with a whole bunch of moves. I'm coming in to say something that's fundamentally truthful. When I helped to initiate extinction rebellion just up oil, my fundamental rule is to say the truth and to act as if it's real. That was the foundation. And if you want my analysis on why extinction rebellion was so successful, it was because the founders were not interested in being successful. They were interested in telling the truth. That's a completely different logic.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, obviously not, I'm human, and I spend a lot of hours each day joined to work out what to do and what not to do. But the critical point here that I'm trying to make and to your audience, because it's your audience I've come to speak to, no disrespect to you, right? When something so awful as this is happening, you have to get your existential ducks in a row. You need to decide what sort of person you are and what sort of life you want to lead. And the fundamental question is how you're going to lead a good life, right? Most people don't think about this much because, you know, most of the time it's fairly obvious. Look after your family, you have a good job. But there's a massive missing element, which is to protect your country and to protect the human race.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's not a move, right? Well, it is. No, it's not, right? You can construct it as that, but it's not. It's not a move. It's a visceral reaction to my total horror”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Why don't we do a deal halfway? Let me just finish. I'm not going to go on phrases. Let me just finish and say the process of social change, the process of getting things done in emergency is all about transgression. It's all about saying what you're saying is not important. This is what's important because it's objectively important because that's what an emergency is.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It came soon after rebellion took to the streets. No one in the political class, including yourself and your colleagues at the BBC, have even come close to understanding and acting upon what an emergency is. An emergency is when you clear the decks, right? What we should be talking about in this interview is not a nice gentlemanly discussion about my background and, you know, what I think about the theory of social change. If you have me on for a whole bunch of series, we can go into that. But I haven't been on the BBC for what three years now, the last time I was on was hard talk. And what was it called? More or less said I was making it up when I said billions of people were going to die, right? I've got half an hour on your show. There's an emergency. What I want to talk about is Because you have enormous”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you expect The very question of how do you want me to react? For me shows that you simply haven't taken the information on. You know, if someone came through that door and said your partner's in hospital, you wouldn't be saying, well, what sort of reaction do you want me to have to that? You'd be going I've got to go, Roger. Bye, there's an emergency. You know, like three years ago the British parliament, as you know, four years ago, I think it was now, made a decision, right on behalf of this country that we are in an emergency.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“the immediacy of the moment rather than engage in what I would describe as the privilege of detachment, right? You know, you're doing this interview, that's all well and good. If we were in 1995, I would be answering your questions and very grateful, but we're not in 1995, we're in 2023.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I disagree with what you just said. I think it is about you, and it's about the audience. So one of the things you learn about how to persuade people or how to create mobilization is about centering things on the actual moment, this moment, right? We have a moment here. I'm talking to you, you're talking to me. A whole number of people are listening to this. Let's focus on all responsibilities and our emotions. When we've just heard one thousand million people will note the will be killed by mainly rich people in the next two generations, which is effectively locked in, we have to learn to think about it.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Journalists like yourself with all due respect under lot of elite people are incapable of emotionally connecting, and what we know from, you know, ancient wisdom, but also from modern psychology is that reason is a product of emotion. Unless you can actually feel the terror and horror of what I've just said, you're not going to be able to act rationally and reasonably in response to that horror”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because it's your language. I'm just choosing my words carefully. When your audience hears that you've got two options and you've got two options which is to try and intellectualize around it and ask a reasonable intellectual question which is to what degree is it murder, to what degree is it manslaughter? But That is a displacement activity. The main human response to that should be massively emotional. Emotional about what's going to happen to you, what's going to happen to your family, what's going to happen to the country, what's going to happen to the whole world, what's going to happen for the next hundred thousand years because this is going to go on and on. And the biggest problem is”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What that quote is saying is climate change is not killing anyone. It's mainly richer human beings who are killing poorer human beings, and the tool of the death project is destruction of the climate.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, the danger of disrupting you, I'm just going to read you a quote. So hopefully your audience can understand a little bit more viscerally what we're actually talking about. So, you know, I get sent science articles three or four times a day. So there's nothing particularly unique about this, but it came out about a month ago from a peer-reviewed paper in a journal called Energies. And this is what it says. If warming reaches or exceeds two degrees centigrade, mainly richer humans will be responsible for killing roughly one billion mainly poorer humans. So, what's the result?”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I thought we were going to talk about this later in the interview, but okay, we'll start with the big point. So the big point, I suppose, is that at a time of existential crisis, people have to and tend to make a decision about what's right and wrong, and they base their decision on that virtue, on the notion of virtues. They don't make utilitarian decision. They don't go what will work, what won't work. And I think our cultures in the process of transitioning towards a realization we don't have control. We have control over our own lives, we don't have control over what's going to happen over the next thirty years. And so what's most important is we live a good life in an Aristelian sense, dare I say. And that's where I'm at, and that's broadly what I promote to people in terms of them making decisions to go into. Resistance.”
2023-10-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Roger Hallam One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source