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  1. Service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or sign a salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning, give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one in no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.

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  2. Course. Would you like to live a little longer? Yeah, I would try to do more and try to live rightly to the best that I know how, which over time will hopefully continue to evolve in a positive direction. But if the answer to that is no, I guess that's always a sign that what I'm doing is not what I'm meant to be doing. And I mean, you're familiar with Tecumseh before I've got one, actually, if you could give me 10 seconds, I'll read this one out. This is a personal favorite. Basically, and I think it sums up, I mean, again, it's one of those quotes on the internet, like when Abraham Lincoln said, don't believe everything you read online. But this is, you know, it's, again, attributed, but it's like, so live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion. Respect others and their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long in its purpose.

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  3. If life was horrible, let's say, for instance, it was you live at one of those times or places and those places still exist in this world today that life is brutal and metal and whatever all and short and painful, would you still want it? And again, as I'm sitting here not on fire, physically, it's easy to say yes, but I would, I am confident I still plant my feet and say yes, any life is amazing and beautiful and a gift and unbelievable gift that none of us have earned for the record. I hate the word earned. A lot of times earn, yeah, you earn, but it's like, there's a lot of good fortune and earning. And that's back to do I want justice or do I want grace? And I guess we're all fortunate to be where we are no matter where we are. And hopefully it should give us some sense of perspective, some sense of compassion for other people, but also like you said, a sense of peace, if at all ended right now, would I be happy with life to this point?

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  4. What I would care a lot more about is how you live. That's what's in my control. And I can't control if as I walk out of this building, a helicopter falls on me. Worrying about that. I can't control. Maybe I have cancer now and I don't know it. I really hope not.

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  5. Much of it is not. I mean, it's so funny. It's an interesting, like, back to the belief structure again, like locus of internal and external locus of control. You know, what's facilitative versus what's true? And, you know, I think accepting personal responsibility for more than is on my control is probably a positive. But at the same time, recognizing that much is not in my control. I was fortunate enough to be born in the United States, fortunate enough to, you know, to not knock on wood, have a serious disease that I'm not aware of right now. I didn't do any of that. I just showed up. That was really fortunate. And I guess that doesn't diminish the fact that I try to make decent choices, but it works in concert with it. And I guess when you go, is death what I want right now? No, no, I should think not. And again, it's easier for me to be relatively calm about it. I'm not staring it in the face.

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  6. Yeah, but thank God we're here. But yeah, it is an interesting seeing the end and seeing going, well, what's going to happen? I guess I think it comes back to kind of what we were discussing about belief structure and belief system. I think a lot of times if I recognize that no matter what I do, it's all going to end one day. And then you go, well, why were we here? What would I do? Am I going to make it to 40? I have no idea. I'd like to hope so. I had no idea that I was going to make it to the age that I am now. Am I going to make it to 80? How much of that is in my control?

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  7. I think that's actually why, honestly, even though at a relatively young age, I think mortality is something that I'm aware of, maybe more than the average. I think probably most athletes can speak to this and anyone that's had. I've managed to slide out of a couple near-death experiences personally, you know, mostly river related because I'm an idiot. But I regret nothing.

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  8. One thing that I find funny though, or ironic maybe about the words of violence, offense is violence thing, is that, of course, if the belief in that then justifies my violence. And whether maybe not physical violence, but my response, my aggressive response to things. And I guess which again begets a further aggressive response and like a, you know, kind of a tit-for-tat sort of situation, or it goes to like, well, there's 10 of me and there's one of you. So we'll get you and you can't do anything about it. But that's not morality. That's just saying that's might makes right. So I guess, again, you can understand why people do it. And there are certain, there is a progress aspect to it. But again, I guess without proper examination, I'm effectively with my 10 friends and the force of the law, Mike Tysoning people, but not admitting to myself what I'm doing and at least Mike Tyson, again, is honest.

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  9. That's a heartening thought, not the other way, because people usually freak out and go, Oh my God, gun violence, gun violence, gun violence is really not a serious issue in the United States compared to what it could be because it means that, I mean, with the amount of guns and the amount of bullets that are out there that are in circulation, can you imagine if like one in every thousand was used in anger each day? I mean, this would be a terrifying place to live. You couldn't go anywhere. So, I mean, although you could say, hey, this is more than we'd like or X, Y, Z, it actually means that people are much more reasonable and sane than we're saying. Or then sometimes I might argue. So I guess what I mean is like, oh man, I walked to 7-Eleven and I didn't get stabbed. I'm like, oh, well, that's good because not because I protected myself with my karate. It's basically no one decided to run over instab me because I wasn't protecting myself. They stopped. So I guess we're all fortunate to live in a society that, like you said, nature being metal doesn't become that big of an issue all the time. But it is funny when you get people in the ring.

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  10. Seriously, and again, I pull out my phone and I'm basically saying, Hey, you're going to get caught. But really, I'm further antagonizing you. Rightly or wrongly, you know what I mean? And that's an interesting thing. And I feel like just people need to remember any of us need to remember just for any reason. That's one step away at all times. I've had people say to me before, Oh, I don't feel safe. I'm like, you're not safe. I kill you before you get out of this room. Nothing you do to stop that. Nothing. I mean, but don't worry. You can do the same to me, which means I'm like, oh, oh, thank goodness. Can you imagine how many guns are there are in this country? I mean, everywhere. I mean, seriously, every

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  11. And it's like, oh, you'll go to jail. I'm like, I know you're going to go to the morgue. And that can happen like that. Like society, I mean, obviously, anyway, you could jump across the table and stab me in the eye. I mean, I preach I'd hoping if you don't, and there will be consequences if you do, but not from me, from the rest of society will potentially get you at a certain point. But you can decide to not play by the rules anytime you want

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  12. Subject to people who can. And that's a real thing. And we're fortunate to find ourselves in a situation where other things matter. But that is a funny thing periodically where people, you'll see people kind of drawing on each other in videos or out in the world that clearly neither of them expect this to get serious. Like I'm just going to yell at you. You're going to yell at me. And it's like this weird LARPing thing. We're both going to go on our own separate way. All it takes is one person to be like, well, I wasn't kidding.

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  13. You wonder, I mean, all of us, that's something that I think it's funny. We go, oh, that's not okay. I mean, versus maybe not appropriate for Situation X, Y, or Z, but what should make any of us think? I mean, humanity is a different place now. And I mean, we're not saying anything crazy out there, but humanity is a different place now than we were 5,000 years ago, where all of us are descended from people who have killed things with their teeth and fingernails in order to be where we are and whether it was an animal or it was in conflict with another person. I mean, think about the chances of dying by violence now are so slim, at least in most countries and most places, like shockingly small, thankfully. But there was a period of time, like the most period of time, were dying by violence was mostly how it went down. And I guess what would be facilitative, what would allow you to win back to Ender's game? You know, what allows you, if you can't do that, you are forever.

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  14. Do we want the answer to that? Because I guess it's what is it? A you've seen Paul fiction, you know, the best character in the movie and in the best scene in the movie. He's like, if my questions, or if you're, what do you call them? My answer scare you. She's asking scary questions. And I guess.

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  15. That's fair. I mean, you tell yourself or you tell others what you feel you need to, or maybe whether you've even know what you feel you need to, but why should he not? I mean, again, did he run up and just hit somebody that didn't sign up for this? No, they signed it to be there.

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  16. Say Mike is uncommonly seemingly honest. I think athletes make a full time job out of lying. People make a full-time job at a lying.

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  17. There you go. Well, I think that's kind of like what you were describing. It's like if I give you an answer, it has to be a good one. Better to just let your imagination run. Exactly.

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  18. Just maybe he's just doing the like, they're not, it's like, I'm gonna throw him a curveball. No one's gonna have any idea.

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  19. That behaves with a certain level of consistency to that. And they could win. There's plenty of winners in history that aren't shitbags. And there's plenty of losers that are not. But winning doesn't make you a bad or good person, and losing doesn't make you good by default either or bad by the fault. And I think that that can be the truth socially. That can be the truth athletically, academically.

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  20. And so, I guess if I think about where's my value, it's like I feel like I'm a winner every single time I step into that ring and fight with everything that I have. I can't promise that I'll win my next fight. I know that I have the skills and the tools to be at anyone in grappling or in mixed martial arts at this point. It's just, I know that for certain, I've trained with enough people. I compete with enough people. I know where I stand. But I also know that I'm not perfect. And also the better fighter, even if I perceive that I was that thing doesn't win on the night. The man who fights better wins on the night. And if I give credence in my mind to only the person that's one has value versus going, what's your process? What's your path through this? How are you going about this? How are you thinking about this? How are you behaving? Then if I can focus on the process, then I will respect my opponent and I will respect myself and I'll respect anyone.

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  21. I feel any of that concern kind of dissipate. And I guess if I honestly thought that, you know, I guess when it comes to, I know I'm going to die at a certain point, obviously. I'm going to get hurt. I'm going to, you know, pain happens. But the pain of loss would be nothing compared to, or the pain of injury would be nothing compared to the pain running away.

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  22. And I think that at least in the times of like, if I'm concerned about a situation or about a person or about something happening prior to the fight, or I'm like, there's a reason. There was a reason. I don't have to push that down and bury it. There's a reason why. What have I not thought about? What have I not done? What am I missing? Why am I feeling this way? As you mentioned, for yourself, Prior, like you'd be like, why am I feeling like this? And I don't do this very well in certain aspects of my life, now that I mention it or now that I think about it. But when it comes to competing, I think I do an all right job and I'm trying to learn to be better. And going like, well, why do I, if I feel this way, there's a reason. Okay, am I thinking about this the wrong way? Have I not adequately prepared for something? I have to address it. And then maybe I'll be up for four hours that night, you know, like extra hours thinking, like, what have I not addressed, watching sparring, watching this, watching that? And then when I am thinking about things more accurately or when I've addressed what that concern was.

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  23. No, I can appreciate what he's saying. I think that I can speak to feeling concerned about, let's say, for instance, if you feel a certain way, I think people are a lot more like computers than we like to admit. And just because a lot of times I can't parse what's going on and why doesn't mean that it's not, it doesn't make sense

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  24. That doesn't invalidate the positives that they did, but I guess fighting the urge to put people in one category. And same with ourselves. I think that's why people get depressed. Oh, I'm good right now. Oh, I'm bad right now versus, hey, we're all work in progress and we're trying to do X number of things and legacy is a tough thing to figure out anyway. And it's all speculative.

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  25. Is she among the greatest fighters, or did she do the greatest things? You know, I mean, I don't think that's hard. It's something. I mean, obviously, Rhonda is a great Shudoka who was competing in MMA at a time when a lot of the girls like, where did you get your skills in the Olympics? Oh, where'd you get yours? High school. You're like, yeah, you're going to, Olympic girls going to beat you up. But I guess that doesn't diminish her. That accomplishment is what it is. I don't have to Fedor is not diminished by the fact that he would, like if he were to fight Stephen Meochis right now, probably wouldn't go great or that John Jones exists. I don't now have to knock Fedor's accomplishments down or say, oh, because BJ Penn or so-and-so, let's say has a mixed record at this point that somehow invalidates the things that they've done before. I guess it kind of brings us back to a lot of the other people we've talked about, the fact that the brilliant people throughout history that we love or some of the monsters throughout history that we rightly revile in a lot of cases were complicated people and their legacy is more than just one thing. And someone doing something amazing doesn't invalid doesn't mean they didn't do anything bad and someone doing terrible things doesn't mean

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  26. Because we can't assess their method, right? I think most of the time, most of us can't assess the method of anything. I mean, it's like, oh, look at that guy do X, Y swimming. I'm like. How do I know Michael Phelps is great? I don't know. He was faster. I can't look at his technique and say anything other than, well, that's way better than anything I know how to do, but I can't say the difference between him and the next guy. So I guess that's, I wonder if it's like I need a concrete identifier. And a lot of times people don't like saying, I don't know.

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  27. Fair. How many times has I mean? I remember when Trent Ilford was the quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens, and they had such a strong defense. I'm not trying to pick on Trent Ilford, but it's like they had such a strong defense that they were able to make it. That was the Ray Lewis, you know, Chris McAllister era, you know, and they won the Super Bowl. I don't think anyone is going to say that, you know, Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than or put him in the same category as Dan Marino, but he got the W. He's got the Super Wing. How many times let's use March Madness or Super Bowl? I love it. That guy always makes the finals, but he just never gets it done. So, let me get this straight get into the finals nine times doesn't count because you didn't win the end game. I'm not saying it wouldn't be better.

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  28. I think it's easier for people to wrap their head around, right? It's like the NFL combine. Was, I mean, yeah, numbers. It's something, well, again, if I go and if I pick Tom Brady in the first round. And it works out. They call me a genius. If I pick Tom Brady in the first round after his combine and it doesn't work out, I get fired and I'm never hired again. I have to work somewhere else. But it's like I'm insulating myself from criticism, I think, almost if I go by the numbers. Well, he had more bench presses. It's like how many times have the guys that are like the super studs in the NFL combine ever been on the greatest players in the NFL history, in NFL history? Like zero or close to zero? And even if there's some, it's certainly not a one-to-one correlation. So it's so funny though. I think it's just like how many, how long, how many days did he hold the title? Ah, your title reign was X times longer. That means nothing. So if we want to define greatest fighter ever, like you said, I think individual moments of like that was transcended. That was different. That was something else. Because people can win or lose for any number of different reasons. And that's an interesting thing. Again, I don't blame Argentina not winning the World Cup on Messi. That's not.

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  29. No question. I think so too. And again, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you if it weren't for him. So the Gracie family as a whole, but I mean, who's the better? I mean, I think Hoist would tell you himself probably that Hickson would have handled business back then. They didn't put them in. So, again, it's the greatest fighter, the greatest fighter, the greatest fighter that we saw do his business. So hoist up there for sure.

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  30. That's insane. That was a time, it was a different sport, it was a different time in the sport where some guys were bouncing around doing different things, but let's, so I guess the Gracie family, I mean, they never had obviously Hoyce was there, but they never, and that was definitely a different sport, weight classes being open, things like that.

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  31. Spartans to modern day, you know, like army guys. You're like, well, who's going to win? I'm like, well, dude, modern day army guys get modern day weapons. Well, yeah. But who's the toughest, ruggedest group of people at the very least? So I guess it's tough to say, but at least in my mind, the people that I think about for great fighters, their quality of opposition, their level of lasting, like success, their level of lasting innovation, like the courage that they have to demonstrate, because again, it's like being a big fish in a small pond takes no courage. Doesn't mean that there's nothing there, but it just requires something a little bit different. Kazi Sakuraba is one of my guys too. BJ Penn also, I mean, BJ Penn fought Lyota Machida.

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  32. I mean, I guess it's tough to compare across eras. It would be like going and saying, oh man, how would such and such great grappler from today fare against someone from 1995? I'm like, well, probably pretty well depending upon who they are, what's going on, you know, there's some people that would, their skill sets might transition across eras, but a lot of times not. But that's not fair. There'll be like comparing.

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  33. Yeah, I'm not trying to I'm sorry. Don't drown me, swimmers. I don't swim very He's me to downplay it. But anyway, yeah, and then

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  34. His fault, it came along after him. At the time that Fedor was at his height, the UFC was not where it was at for heavyweight fighting. I mean, not that there weren't good heavyweights there, but Fador was unbelievable. Minotaro Noguera, I was a massive fan of him. I still remember watching, what is it, Pride 2004 when Noguera fought Crow Cup and got blasted with that left kick and dropped with like seconds left in the first round. Pride was great because it had a 10-minute first round and that five minute second, which again materially alters the fight big time. And, you know, the texture of the fight. It's borderline a different sport, you know, than getting a five, a pause, and a five. But anyway, similar sports, like one of those swimming things where they have nine gold medals for different types of swimming, right?

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  35. But he's not the type of grappler that can that's too tall of an order. But there are grapplers that could do that, or at least would have a much, much better shot at being able to weather that type of a storm.

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  36. Thought he was doing well, actually. I think that particularly for the first round, I thought he did a very good job. It's just one of those things that I think could be the fight's taking place in Khabib's world in large part. And I mean, set aside that one giant, what is it, right hand that Khabib hit Connor with it? By the way, Connor reacted like an absolute champion. He got crushed by that overhand and then dropped and his eyes went right back on Khabib. It was immediate great response. So even though that was, I think that was a bit of a surprising thing, Connor reacted really, really well. But if you're going to be on bottom with Khabib for four rounds, that's going to be tough. And also Connor's.

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  37. If you don't get hurt badly or tired on the bottom, you have a chance that doesn't involve just cracking him on the feet before he gets a hold of you.

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  38. Adequate amount of damage, they're going to each time, let's say, for instance, let's say him taking them down as a foregone conclusion at some point. If every single time Kabib takes you down, you get right back up. It's not that big a deal because it's actually more, we've all experienced this. Let's say you and I are rolling, you tapped me 15 times in one round. Who's more tired? Whip my ass so badly that it's like you're the only one working.

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  39. Well, I guess I would say, in my mind, fighting is a game of trading energy, there's two things. There's damage in those energy. So when I say energy, I mean, like tired, not tired. How much gas you've got? And then damage counts, obviously, as well. You could be feeling great. And then you get to kick me in the head hard, really, hard three times. It doesn't matter that I could get up and run a mile. I can't get up. So anyway, I think what Khabib does is so well is he makes the fight look like Khabib and a Magamadov fight. He does a great job of avoiding damage on the feet for the most part and really sucking a life out of people with how suffocating and oppressive is his control is. His chain wrestling is as good as anyone we've ever seen in the UFC. It's fantastic. But that poses a really serious threat for people that need to maintain a certain amount of space and try to hurt them on the feet because unless they're able to inflict an attack.

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  40. I think so too, but at the same time, I'm sure you recall Connor Crossing some pretty personal territory, you know, both religiously and also familiarly with Khabib and it's. Know, I mean, I think it's the sort of thing that I don't know, it's an interesting, that's one of the reasons

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  41. Wasn't it could have been squarer, but uh, and that fight starts with Ben Askren on top of you in the first five seconds. Well, Connor ran in through a knee just like that Khabiban could be got right around it. That could have easily gone the other way. Can you imagine what would have happened if after coming back from boxing, after coming back from the Mayweather fight? In the first 10 seconds, it's over, and you're like, he would. It would have been intolerable. But basically, yeah

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  42. 4 p.m. rolls around. I'm just not there. Five. I mean, you remember all the antics and nonsense that Connor was pulling prior to that. Like speaking personally, it's not something I would feel comfortable doing, but it's like everyone's different. And the effect that it had on Jose was, I mean, beyond evidence. When was the last time Jose started the fight with leaping left hand, leaping right hand? You're like, wait, what? And then he was obviously, you know, living rent free in Jose's head at that point. And that was a combination of psychological ability and wherewithal and then physical. And it reminded me of the way Muhammad Ali would bother people and whatnot. And the fact that he's a polarizing figure, I think makes some people not give him his due. And then at the same time, sometimes certain fans maybe go overboard. But remember the knee that Ben Askerin got knocked out with by Mazradal. I mean, that was an amazing, unbelievable thing. But three inches to the right, three inches to the left, I guess whichever side is hit.

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  43. It almost doesn't feel like a fight happened, but we mentioned Miyamota Musashi. I mean, Musashi was famous for the way he poked in Prada that people with what he was doing, whether overtly or not. It's like, oh Supposed to fight to the death, and at 3 p.m. tomorrow. Great.

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  44. And that's just not the case. And I don't know what it's like, obviously, Connor's very well off right now, and I don't know how serious he's training, what he's doing. I can't speech any of that. But there's no question that he has skills to be dangerous. And one of the funny things, obviously, the Khabib fight went Kabib's way. Khabib was a great fighter and also has the chance to beat anyone in that ring at any given time. But there was Connor, you know, one that he can he can put anybody away. And as you mentioned, I think that he doesn't get the credit for the Eddie Alvarus fight. He doesn't get the credit for the Jose Alda fight because it was almost so much of a letdown. I remember that happened the same weekend that I did the ultimate fighter for finale. And you're like, wait, what?

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  45. Oh, yeah, well before. Yeah. I think he got in like 2014, maybe something like that. Yeah. And anyway, but he was doing well in Cage Warriors winning the titles there. I think prior to that. I remember going seeing him on the show and also then getting to see him train because I competed, I was initially slated to fight David Tamer for the Ultimate Fighter finale for getting put into fight Autumn for the title for the show. So I went over to Ireland to train for a couple days. And basically it was neat to watch him work. I mean, man is focused and trains a lot and very, very smart and very, very hardworking. And I think a lot of times people get stuck in the in this and they almost want to believe that.

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  46. Absolutely. It's funny because I won't pretend to know Connor really well, but I first met Connor in 2010 when I was teaching a seminar at Straight Bless Gym, Ireland in Dublin. And that's actually where I first met all of the coaches that ended up being on Connor's team. You know, John Kavanaugh, Owen Roddy, Gundan Allison, you know, so for, I actually, I enjoyed being an Ultimate Fighter and being on Uriah Favors team and getting a train with all the guys there. But at the same time, the people that I was actually, I knew better were actually the European side, all the Connors coaches. And that was a neat thing because I got to, I met Connor. I didn't know who Connor wasn't Connor at that point. Yeah.

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  47. One Connor absolutely has a chance to be KKB. Connor has a chance to beat anyone that he steps into that ring with, and not just like a mathematical chance. You were like, oh, one of the billion, but like, you know, like he,

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  48. BJ was exactly as a jiu-jitsu guy, what I would have thought, and another thing that's another thing that bug me about how people reacted after the fight is, you know, basically going, oh, BJ screwed up this, screwed up that. I'm like, all right, yeah.

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  49. Lightweight is 155 with a day before Wayne, and featherweight is 145 with the day before weighing. So I'm a little bit more properly sized for featherweight. But anyway, so I didn't feel like obviously he was giving up a couple years of age, but I was giving up size and all this other stuff. And it was, you know, I was just excited to have the opportunity to step in against someone like BJ. And, you know, we managed to get out of there with a good outcome without getting too banged up. But just it was cool because we tied up on the fence and just even the second, you know, is when you're rolling with somebody and you touch and you can feel what they're doing. You go, man, this guy's really good. You can feel the calm. You can feel the small minor adjustments that they're making, the subtle things that they're doing. And that was one of those things that was really neat and gratifying because, you know, you never know. Sometimes people that you've heard of are a little bit less technically proficient than you thought. And other times you'll meet some guy that you train like, who the hell is this guy? How have I not heard of this person?

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  50. No, no, I love competing. I don't really get nervous or scared before fights. I'm not afraid to get hurt and not afraid to win. I'm not afraid to lose. I'm just excited for the, I feel thankful for the opportunity to compete and the opportunity to play when it matters. You know, I just, that's the only time I'm interested in playing anymore is when it matters, when the opposition is, I know that, you know, it's funny because people pick on a lot of some opponents, particularly after the fed. Like if you get a good outcome, well, then, of course, Lex beat that guy. That guy wasn't that good. I'm like, well, that's after the fact, I get to say that. And also as the person in the ring, you know, BJ Penn has hurt a lot of people and makes martial arts cage. And I could actually absolutely have been on that list. So it was neat to get to compete against someone that I really respect, someone that I looked out to for a long time, someone who has a great skill set. And also I went up and wait to fight him at his weight class. He didn't have to come down to mine, which is where he'd take less.

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