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  1. That's when BJ Pan they said, Well, BJ's looking for an opponent. I was like, I'm your guy. And I think that BJ accepted that fight because another jiu-jitsu guy, I don't think he perceived that I was much of a threat on the feet. And, you know, I was able to, it was neat to get it to compete against someone who's one of my heroes, one of the people I looked up to in MMA for the longest time.

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  2. I would never fight DMX. We'd be on the same team. But anyway, I guess I accepted fights against, I asked, I got asked about Llamas. I said yes. I got asked about Dennis Bermudas. I said yes. You know, like long periods of time. And at that time, between 2016 and 2018, I was struggling to have opponents who would sign up. And I haven't turned down fights. I've just said, hey, keep the, I don't care about fighting the randoms. And it's just.

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  3. Bottom line. I'll say that I'm different. Maybe they perceive that the threat is greater than the reward. I'm hoping that now that we're ranked number 12 in the UFC rankings that that will change. And I know that if... Now you're there. But what I've consistently found is that randoms want to fight. And I'm like, go away. I didn't come here for you. You know, because if I wanted to just fight anybody, I could go down to a waffle house and yell until like DMX shows up and we can fight because he'll be at the waffle house to whom I'm kidding. I really want to hang out with DMX. But it's like you want to, when I had the opportunity

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  4. Years to fight BJ Penn, and that was obviously I'm training all the time every single day, and that never stops. But that was, I'll be honest, like pretty deeply frustrating because, you know, as a human being, as an athlete, I think as an athlete, you die twice, like you have an athletic peak or area and then you go on with the rest of your life. But it is a microcosm for the rest of your life. It's like you're seeing the sand tick away in the hourglass or drop away and you're going, man, these are years between 31, 32, 33. be at my best at this time, my absolute best physically. Now not technically, I'm a lot better now than I was before and I plan, but at a certain point, you will, unless you're Bernard Hopkins, you will reach diminishing returns. And I guess that's a lot.

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  5. For the finale. So there's four times in like five or six months, which was great. And then it took me a year to get another opponent. And that was Gray Maynard. And then Gray was obviously a very tough guy, managed to get a good outcome there. Then it took...

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  6. Be honest, I didn't know if I was going to ever be able to fight again after beating Gray Maynard in 2016. I've had a couple periods of those. I was about to join the Army, actually, when I was 30 before the UFC, before Jen sent me over to Ultimate Fighter. I didn't want to go because I was like, one, they're never going to pick me two. I'd be terrible for TV. Three, I'll probably say something. I'm going to get, you know, burned to death in the streets. You know, like, this isn't a great idea. And then she said, well, go out there, see what happens. Do it anyway. You'll regret it if you didn't. And then I ended up doing Ultimate Fighter. And then, so I fought three times on the show, and then I fought.

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  7. Or not because you could have 10,000. I think about this for competitive stuff, you could have 10,000 things going properly, and one thing going improperly, if you focus on the improper, you'll probably fix it at a certain point, which is good, facilitated for development in the long term. But if you had to go and try to perform a task in the next five minutes and you're focusing on the negative, your confidence and your belief in the positive outcome of the future is likely to be damaged. Whereas you could have 25 things going wrong, but you go, man, I sure am happy to be alive. How fortunate I am. This is great. I have problems to solve. This is awesome versus I list the problems and I start bitching about them. Both of them are technically accurate, but it's, I guess, different lenses. And I think that's a really neat thing to see, you know, someone, you know, exemplifying that for us.

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  8. Well, I think it's something that's funny. I think, like, I can only imagine the history will look back on him as a brilliant person, but that's not the only thing. There's a lot of, maybe not statistically speaking, but a lot numerically on a giant planet of, you know, billions of people, a lot of brilliant people. Well, you know, time, place, luck, fortune, all that other stuff. But at the same time, that clearly isn't the only determining thing in making Elon Musk, Elon Musk. And obviously, I don't know the guy from Adam, but it's an interesting thing that it's not just his intellect, his belief system, his structure, how he's viewing the world. Like that's, did he reason his way to that? Did he not? What other factors came in? I'm really curious about that because I guess coming, it's, again, I feel really strongly about people's belief structure and how they view the world being more important than the engine behind it. It makes someone resilient or not. It makes someone positive.

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  9. You also have to believe strongly enough that you're not vulnerable, and I'm speculating, but it's like I can only imagine how many people have told Elon that what he's doing is crazy. So not only did he dream it up, he dreamed it up, went with it, and also went with it in the face of being told that it's not going to work. And then also stepped away from the bitterness because he's done a series of really crazy impressive things. And that's only those little things that I'm aware of. And also staying away from the bitterness of every single time you did something good initially all I do is talk down about you. And then eventually I act as, of course, of course. I never apologize. And yet you don't let that dampen your spirits for the next innovation, which is pretty incredible to me to watch.

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  10. And I guess so it's neat to, I would say there's definitely in my mind things that even if it's just combinations and new to me, new ways to see things, new ways to understand different depth of understanding, possibly new things, new positions, new ideas. Because even if that's not true, the process of going through and acting as if it is and believing like that and focusing and trying to investigate will make any of us will push us all forward. Whereas sitting there, you know, obsessing over the cult of our current knowledge, I think is the biggest danger and the biggest cause of stagnation that exists anywhere.

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  11. Paraphrasing just in this slog over time. And then periodically humanity gives birth to genius, like someone that invents the wheel, invents electricity, pushes us forward, you know, comes up with the idea of governance that doesn't, you know, just start and end with the point of a sword. These aren't common things. These are unbelievable advancements that, you know, that's just me sitting here. I didn't come up with them, but I just get the benefit of it. So I guess what I would say is a lot of times these ideas are called crazy, you know, like as we discussed kind of offline, it's like, you know, Einstein was brilliant in his 20s and it was brilliant before that, I would suspect. But basically, you know, gets recognized later on in life. And of course, we all thought those were great ideas. The man was probably roundly mocked for giant chunks of his life.

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  12. I guess I talk about this with a buddy of mine a lot, and the facilitative versus not facilitative beliefs. And if I don't believe something is possible and I do no investigation towards it, I'll never find something even if it's there. It's almost like it's no different than me walking up on a group of people and going like, oh man, look at these jerks. This is going to suck versus me going, oh, I wonder what these guys are up to. I'm about to have two very different conversations, even though the players in the game are no different. My internal constitution has changed because of how I've decided to approach the situation. So although I wouldn't personally want to spend all my time trying to turn lead into gold because I don't believe that it's likely to work, only a person who's willing to spend his or her life in that pursuit will actually get to the bottom of that and also in the pursuit of that they're likely to find other things. So I think a lot of times the idea is that humanity is pushed forward by, you know, again, it's another Orson Scott Carb one. It's like, you know, human beings are in this.

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  13. Say the reason I'd say yes is the same reason I would say I believe in alchemy, even though I don't. No, I'm serious. I've got some backing for this

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  14. On a semi regular basis, of course, the Brazilians are so strong, Europeans are still strong, but Australians are coming on as well. But it's definitely kind of an interesting thing. So to come back to John Danaher and the Henzo team, obviously they're doing fantastic things. John's had some really, really great innovation there. And the systematization and the methodology that they're using is great and it's neat to see that it's getting out there. I would just also encourage people to make sure that they're catching up on their history because obviously, you know, John's brilliant instructor has done things for the sport that are fantastic that haven't been done before. But none of us exist in a vacuum. And I've learned things from everywhere else. John would say the same, I'm sure. And, you know, Dean Lister would say the same. And it's just neat when you can kind of trace the history of all of this happening because we've had humanities had two arms and two legs for some time, at least as long as I've been alive.

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  15. People don't fly. I'm like, no, I'm going to do it. And of course, it's not going to be as good as the airplane down the line, the iterative things that happen later on. But just being able to go to dream something into existence that you haven't seen before and then make it happen takes an unbelievable strength of character, almost like a force of will because you have you're blazing a trail that hasn't been walked before. That's the BJP penn factor in winning the jiu-jitsu world championship, first non-Brazilian to do that. That was back in 2001. And then Raphael Lovato later on, it's like he's both of those guys are so unbelievably impressive in my mind for the same reason, you know, because they were out there winning at a time when that wasn't a common thing. Not that it's easy to win now. It's just there's not a psychological hurdle that needs to be left. I remember, you know, when I was early in jiu-jitsu, like Americans weren't winning the world championships at any belt. I mean, BJ, we all knew BJ Penn because BJ Penn did it, but it was really, really uncommon.

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  16. You know, someone going, Hey, I'm gonna run off in this other direction. I think, you know, whoever the inventor of electricity in my mind is a lot more impressive than whomever, not to say that the person down the line isn't impressive, that comes up with an interesting way to use it. Both are cool, but when you think about just can you imagine we're sitting here like, yeah, people, I'm going to build an airplane. You're like, what are you talking about?

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  17. That was back in the boss. If you listen to Boss Root and do any like commentary for any of the big MMA shows or any MMA show way back when, anytime guys were clinched, he's like, the guys roll for a knee bar. He was saying that way back when, and now people are doing it all the time with varying degrees of success. It's funny. It's like it's also tough to be, I think, like a breakaway thinker. I mean, you know, groupthink is a real thing and group inertia. And it's neat to see, you know, particularly at a time when maybe that type of stuff was less accepted.

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  18. Grab like and just leverage leverage. That's like a toehold that's, you know, that goes the other way. And it's like it either doesn't work or breaks in half.

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  19. And, you know, and I actually saw a video. I mean, first of Boss Rutin actually broke, I think Guy Mesger's foot with a 50-50 heel hook that he actually grabbed his heel and his toes. And in pancraces back when they had like the man panties and the high boots on. And dude, that was gnarly boss rooting is underappreciated.

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  20. Sure. I guess obviously John and the students at Henzo have been able to do fantastic things competitively in the past number of years. You mentioned innovators in that kind of section of jiu-jitsu. I would be, I'd love to bring up some guys like Dean Lister, of course, Mazakazi Minari. In fact, a lot of what was going on in 90s, Japan, like combat submission wrestling, there was some crazy gnarly stuff that it's just, it's on grainy VHS tape, but like stuff that if people were doing now, they go, oh my God, that's brand new. It's been, I think these are things that have been around for a while in various places. I first learned.

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  21. Interesting. I was more proud of that than most things I've ever done if I'm honest. It was neat and I really enjoyed it and it was the process of doing it. But my academic critic is impressive, like not in the least. But for me, it's like it was a big deal for me personally to take that step and to go back and do that. And I was proud of the direction because it would have been easy. Like, do I need to do it? Like, no, I have business. I'll do okay. I'll try. I'll keep fighting. I was happy to take the time in between fights when I was unbooked for an opponent to do something productive rather than just all just hang out. I can still train every single day, but I can also train and go to school. People go to the Olympics while going to school. I can do martial arts and go to school.

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  22. Five hours in, but yeah, but you know, it's like you want to be pushing towards something because otherwise, what's the purpose of being here? It's not just a college. It's doing something useful, building, growing as a person, helping others do the same if that's within your power at any given time. But I think that's kind of the neat thing about martial arts is it can be many, many different things to many different people. You know, I finally, for instance, was able to get a college degree this year, I mean, it's not a big deal for most people.

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  23. Building right now. But if you had to talk to me for three days, I'm sure you'd probably shove me off the building. I don't blame you. I'll be dead.

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  24. If I can do that, again, maybe I never become high level black belt competitor. But I had four of the things I was doing in my life. I also have a family. I have this, I have that. What that person was able to accomplish in the martial arts relative to what they were able to put in this phenomenal. Other times someone could be a very successful black belt and in my mind be a bum because they could have been a lot more. And they could have done more. They could have focused more. And there's no shame in deciding that you don't want to do that. But whatever it is that you're invested in, I remember the Take It Uneasy podcast. And that I loved because, you know, I'll just chill out. I like resting. It's like vacation. Oh, who wants to go on vacation? Yeah, I'll go on vacation for a day or two. You want to spend three weeks on vacation? Like, I kill myself. Like, get me out of here. Like, this is horrible. I'm a waste of life. I'm not doing anything useful. You're vacation right now. Right. Well, this is fun, though. It's like a one-day vacation. Exactly. But if, you know, if you had, I'm sure you're thinking about jumping off of the...

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  25. Know, I guess you meet each person where they are, you know, and obviously you want everyone needs to be pushed. We all need to be pushed. We need friends and people around us that push us to be better versions of ourselves all the time. And as you mentioned, the people you spend all of your time around deeply impact you. And we have to be willing to be pushed. It takes a leap of faith for me to trust me to put some of my ability and my control, my personal agency, as it were, in the hands of someone else that I trust and that I respect.

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  26. Well, that's actually kind of back to the initial question we discussed about what makes a warrior and also like what makes something or someone particularly impressive in my mind is what they make out of what they have. One of my favorite movies ever as far as Gump, and it's obviously just because I've heard people go Forest Gump sucks. I'm like, I don't like you as a person. And you have no heart at all. But basically, it's the story of someone that tries hard. And it's like, yeah, but it's funny movie. But it's like,

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  27. It's the funny thing about getting hit, right? You never can really be sure what's going to happen. I think that's actually one of the magical parts about jiu-jitsu where if you choke me, we know what's going to occur. You hit someone, they might be completely unharmed. Like you might be punching Tony Furrierson in the face and like you need to hit him with a sledgehammer to affect this man. And then other people, they could get really badly hurt, which I guess back to your point about street fighting and things like that and the serious, serious potential, you know, second, third order consequences of any action that we take. But yeah, that's a tricky thing about getting hit.

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  28. The lesson of martial arts, I think. We think it's like how to be strong or how to win, but in reality it's like how to persist, how to endure because all of us have been beaten so many times and gotten beaten up so many times and thought about quitting. Have I ever thought about quitting? Absolutely. Have I ever quit? Never. I will never, ever quit, ever. I can say that you might knock me out. I will be damned if I quit.

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  29. Lottery, and I'm sure you worked hard as well, but you also won the genetic lottery. It's determination is the one thing, though, because that person could have a very easy go of it initially and then tear their knee. And then they're no longer the superhuman physical specimen that they were. The only thing that will keep them going is persistence. And I think that I would just say that persistence and say I'll just put one foot in front of the other. And sometimes I can see the path ahead. And sometimes it's beyond my vision, but I will not stop. I may even slow down, but I won't stop. And that's the only thing that I can say that I've seen tie everyone together because there's so many ways to the top of any mountain and there's so many different personalities and skills and backgrounds involved. But everyone carries on.

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  30. I think that everyone's journey is a little bit different, but the one thing that the Calvin Coolidge quote, you know, determination persistence is the only thing that will win in the end. It will always win in the end. Not brilliance, not toughness, not education. It's persistence. And I think that having the belief that no matter what happens to me, I will proceed forward and I will figure out how to make this happen, hell or high water. I think is the one thing that ties together all of the people that I've ever met that made it through whatever it was that they were going through because, you know, sometimes you can get lucky and you can have an easy time or net luck could be you had a good situation. It could be, I mean, like in the obvious sense of like where you're living, where you're training what's going on, you had a good situation, you're unbelievably athletic. Oh, you're going to be an astronaut. You're brilliant and an Olympic athlete. You know, like, well, that's a fantastic situation. You know, you've won the genetic.

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  31. Right, I'm not allowed to question this. Of course, this is correct. Of course, this is correct. Of course, I'm right. I intended to do right. So, of course, my actions are correct. I mean, how many times have any of us intended to do something helpful and ended up doing something less? And, you know, plenty of people who intend to do harm could by accident do something decent. And I guess it's, you know, I'm not saying anything, you know, terribly, terribly, you know, insightful, but it's just one of those where it's hard to say in the moment. And that's where you hopefully caution, you would counsel some degree of caution. And that's what worries me with people deciding that we're all so right about this or we're all so right about that and attempting to rather than win the argument, silence the counter-argument, no matter how crazy it may seem. Because I just think that that idea, even when it's pointed in a good direction initially, it's only a matter of time.

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  32. Life, like this is guiding all of my choices for all the good and the bad of that. And this is a Dune quote when religion and politics travel in the same car, the writers believe that nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget that the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late. And I think that that's again the pause we go, oh man, thank goodness we have this guy that wants to rebuild Germany. He'll put us back where we need to be.

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  33. But prior to that, oh, he's boring, he's this, he's that. He fights, he's circumspect, he's cautious, he's pressing, he's intelligent, deeply intelligent. And when you watch people go out and try to murder each other, you can flip a coin a hundred times, and you can be lucky enough to get 100 heads, but it's still a coin flip. And I think that that's what's going on all the time is, you know, people are getting an outcome that they want, but it wasn't a well thought out situation. And that's why you'll win by five in a row by knockout. And then lose three in a row, and then people will go, well, what happened to that guy? He used to be so great. And you're like, no, he's doing what he's always been doing. It's just, it was getting great outcomes on a coin flip prior, and it's getting negative outcomes on a coin flip now. But I guess what I would say is it watches, it's interesting watching, you know, I guess societal beliefs become such a thing that we're almost adopting on a religious level if we're not careful. If when I say religious level, I mean like pan.

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  34. I just think that'd be great. Like, oops, oh man, I guess he's the emperor now. That would have been great, but actually to the cancel and all the other stuff, again, it's just, you'd hope that it gives pause. And I think about this for fighting because a lot of times I'll use this example. People like fight fans and, you know, like UFC, they love people that run out and try to murder each other. And it's entertaining. And it's super entertaining. But, you know, Floyd Mayweather doesn't resonate with people as much. It's like people start, I remember the time when Floyd was not as popular. Now people think people love Floyd because he's 50 and oh Floyd. And oh man, if finally...

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  35. He's actually running everyone that actually was like, hey, we should vote in Chancellor Palpatine or Senator Palpatine, like right before they put Jar Jar in charge. First off, what did they think was going to happen? And second off,

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  36. Yeah, jar jar. Do you ever see the jar jar banks is actually like the dark lord of the Sith theory? That fixed the whole initial trilogy where like because he's like goofing around and like making it all the way through battles and winning you're like, wait a minute. He oops his way. He walks over to a pool, does a triple back, flip falls in.

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  37. I would not be right to attempt to attack you, and that is an interesting thing, though, when we see words being redefined or words being defined, whether it's toxicity, whether it's violence. If I think that what you're saying is your speech is by itself a violence or a precursor to violence, I'm justified in doing all sorts of things. That creeps me out significantly. Because again, even if it ends up being pointed in a good direction initially, it's only a matter of time. And actually, that brings me to another. Yeah, I got all day.

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  38. In Virginia, California seems very far away being on the internet. It's just right there. I can hear about it. I can see it. I can interact with people from there. I remember being in Tennessee one time and reading about events taking place in the Middle East. And that just seemed like a mile away. It seemed like an unbelievably far distance. And then another time when you're in DC, you just feel like, oh, you read about something happening in Paris. And it just feels like it's just right around the corner because DC is a seat of power where things are just occurring all the time. You know, I guess you wonder about that's where I come back to the group decisions to not listen to this person or to cancel this or to, you know, we all, the moral majority shall do the following as opposed to as long as you're not hurting me and long as you're not hurting anyone else, I have to let you do on general principle, even if I don't like you. I'm very free to not like you. I'm free to speak out against you, but I'm not, it is not within my right and not with it. And it's not, I...

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  39. It's interesting though, like it seems to me maybe I'm just, I don't know if I'm reading this properly when I see it, but it seems to me that, like you said, that flip the bird, I'm going to do me within reason. Like as long as I'm not hurting you is idea that very much, at least in my mind, defines the American ideal or at least part of the consciousness of the United States is under attack to a certain extent. If only I can think to like, you know, maybe a generation behind us, it's becoming more collectivist, for all the good and also the not good of that. And not in terms of policy at this point, but just in terms of consciousness. And I wonder if that's an internet thing. You know, people are more in touch with one another than they've, as far as I'm consulted, we've ever been, or at least more than in my lifetime. And, you know, the rest of the world seems much closer than it did.

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  40. Wonders if that's always been done in private, you know, I guess because that's, I mean, even look obviously in the United States as a republic, but we had Bush, then we had Clinton, then we had more Bush, then we had President Obama, then we were about to have another Clinton. That's fairly creepy. Yeah. Even on its own

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  41. Like it. It's creepy though watching previously, like this used to be lowbrow, though. Like, people doing this type of stuff. It's creepy watching our political figures get into this type of game.

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  42. Out of existence right now. We've got to be very, very careful doing that because it's who's doing the swatting, this political group that's in power right now, the people that support our current president, would maybe feel a certain way, the people that support another option would feel differently as to what exactly defines toxic. And I guess that's what gives me pause.

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  43. Is education. And I think that that's something that we're critical thinking is not necessarily, I went to school in America. I feel very fortunate. But critical thinking is not something that's focused on. I mean, and it's tough. It's almost like talking about jiu-jitsu. It's tough to teach critical thinking when I don't know any words. You have to teach me techniques. You can't teach me to be an artist. But recognize that the techniques are the beginning, not the end. Ultimately, it's the artistry that we are searching for, not just the science or the by rote memorization. And I guess you'd hope that people's ability to think critically and recognize that majority rule or whoever's loudest does not mean that they're right by any stretch of the imagination. And we don't appeal to that and we don't bow to that. We'll help them to help inoculate them against the ridiculous things that come out of these places, these dark places that are objectively not great. But I guess all circling back, even if we swatted these bad things.

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  44. People don't have any skin in the game, you never know what they're going to do. And I think that's the problem with the internet, you know, people get to be nameless, be faceless. That's why guerrilla fighters are outside of the bounds of war. Like, you don't have a uniform on. Like, I don't know who you're from. You don't get the same treatment that a soldier gets for MP people, well, that's crazy. Actually, there's reasons for this because otherwise people are able to assail things. There's no one responsible. There's no way to go and say, hey, where's, where did this come from? What's the root of this? How can I address this? And I think that's the problem of the internet's problem with Twitter. This problem places like 4chan. I wouldn't mind seeing that type of stuff go away if I'm frank. But that's not the same thing as people with a face, people with people who are willing to stand there and say, hi, my name is so-and-so. Even if I have ridiculous beliefs, hopefully, you know, people will hear me out. And then if I'm wrong, educate me. But I guess you hope that the real, I guess in my mind, antidote to all of this.

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  45. It seems to me that have found their way to incredibly high positions. Some have just found themselves there, and many, many, many, many, many people, you know, men and women of all backgrounds are brilliant and have worked hard. And yeah, of course, there's luck and there's luck into everything. LeBron James, in spite of being the best basketball player on God's Green Earth, is fortunate that he didn't get hit by a car. It's fortunate that he didn't tear his knee, you know, but thankfully we get to see all these things. I guess it's...

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  46. That makes sense. And I guess, as you mentioned, we'll come back to another movie because I don't do books, I do movies. Some people just want to watch the world burn, right? And I guess there's that's a creepy, creepy kind of urge that some people have. And it also is some people you're like, hey, would you like to throw a brick through that glass window? You're like, yeah, sure. Like, no, I'm not going to do that because I think about what's going to occur. Like something's going to be hurt, someone's property, not going to do it versus, hey, you want to see what will happen? Like, yeah, sure. You know, kids are always like my son. He just grabs Spider-Man and drops on a table. Spider-Man fell. My spider-man didn't fall, Sean. Like he dropped him. You knocked him off the table. And he'll grin. And basically, you know, it's an interesting thing, like you said, playing that these people are appealing to. And also almost like the little dog factor of like people do want to watch the powerful get taken down a notch for all the good and the not good of that because plenty of people

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  47. Process. You're simply evaluating my outcome, and I could have stumbled into something very, very good or very, very bad. And we can look back, and I think that's the value of history. I mean, I don't mean to get on my dang high horse, but it's like that's the value of history is we can see the unbroken chain or the chain of events that led us somewhere. And then only with the eyes of history can we truly evaluate things unless we're in the room watching it happen. And I guess that's, again, where we start to go, most of the big, bad, scary things that have happened in history that are done, particularly on an industrial scale, which implies governmental power and things like that, or the equivalent, involve groups of people getting together and going, hey, we're not going to deal with that guy, giant groups of people. So maybe we're right this time, but maybe we're wrong next time. And I guess I would be back to the Gandalf putting on the one ring. I would be very, very hesitant, even if we thought we were in the right to simply try to marginalize just on general principle, even people like Alex Jones, whom

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  48. To bring them over to a more reasonable position if you believe that you have one. And if you can't, well, at least you made the effort. And I think that that's something where martial arts shows the value. It's like, do you know if you're going to go win your next fight? I'm like, I have no idea. I will proceed forward with full effort and, you know, I will fight with dignity. I'll fight with honor and I'll fight with courage. And I'll use everything that I have and I will play within the bounds of the game. And that's that. And the result will be what it'll be. But I will walk into and out of that ring with my head held high because I will know that I did my part. I did my job. The outcome, the specific outcome is not in my control. It's just strongly in my influence. And I think that that's something that helped me that martial arts has taught me because other times, even when I was successful or unsuccessful, I would focus on if I won, I won, therefore I'm good. I lost, therefore I'm bad. This other guy won or lost therefore as opposed to evaluating their method. And I think it's so easy when we're taking a bird's eye view of things to not evaluate how someone's doing things. You're not evaluating my.

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  49. Address back and forth, you know, kind of the discourse. And I think that you almost, you're making your case for the public. So I guess like, you know, when it comes to just never not engaging with these people, that seems to me to be cowardly. And I think that that's something that we're seeing in society right now. I think we're seeing a crisis of courage in society all over the place. And I think that's where we're seeing poor leadership. I think we're seeing understandable things happening everywhere. But we need stronger voices and stronger beliefs that have a conviction and are willing to engage with others, not just turning into a shouting contest and not, I didn't win because there's more of me. Oh, I voted. I outvoted you. That's nice too. But that's a stand-in for bullets. That's saying I won because there's more of me. That doesn't mean that I'm right because plenty of horrible and unpopular now things have been very, very deeply popular in the past and would have won a popular vote. Does that make them right? I'd say clearly not. So I guess you'd hope that we engage with these people and that you can do your best.

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  50. And I guess that's where I come back to the Alex Jones thing. As you mentioned, you know, with Bill Gates, and you're much more familiar with the specifics of all the good that he's done. But, you know, again, he's been an unbelievable force for good in this world. You can list A, B, C, D, things that the man has done that his foundation has done, and positive things. And then the other people could speculate about ridiculous, crazy levels of evil, but you can't produce any evidence for that sort of thing. Because if you could, the man would find himself in trouble. And anyway, I guess what I would say is that you can't force me to accept the truth the same way you could write down two plus two equals four on a piece of paper and show me how it works. And I could say, no, but that doesn't make it not true. And you still giving yourself an opportunity to present your case, you've presented it to me. And you've also, for anyone listening and watching, you know, you've been able to critically assess what's gone on.

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