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Ryan Murphy

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“Anyway, Ryan, thank you so much for coming. I don't do Twitter anymore. I pretty much do the only social media I do regularly now is Instagram, which is Mr. RP Murphy at Instagram.”
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“Would not have been on the air. So I think that what you see is these things are made and the more specific something is, the more universal it can become. So that show is now seen as a hit. So that show will birth three more things in that world like it. So the tint just gets bigger. It's interesting to me.”
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“And there's also just been guys who are a different breed, you know, people like Ted Sarandis and John Langraff and Peter Rice. Who wants to make things that are not just for them? I find that fascinating. So I do feel like entertainment is getting better and it is getting more progressive. And the thing that I'm excited about is with every pasting year, you see more and more voices that are allowed in the game. Like 10 years ago, the show you just mentioned, unorthodox, that would not be on the air. No.”
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“Do I think that it could happen sort of overnight? No. And it hasn't happened overnight, which is why I made that show, because I want it to. I'm frustrated. I feel like, okay, enough already. So that is my answer to that. But I think that just the amount of change that The things that used to be huge battles and used to be very controversial to get on the air and advertisers saying, no, we will not support this. Just now what can be made and how easily and readily it's accepted and how there's, I would say that I never changed. It was the executives who changed. There was a certain kind of guy that was an older white male who wanted to see things geared towards him. And in my generation, what has happened is there's been more women.”
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“And in my career, I've had those things where I had a really number of hits that I was lucky enough that were very big and very successful in a row, like Glee, American Horror Story, American Crime Story. And what I've realized is, well, I don't have to do that every time. I can do something smaller. And at Netflix, it's great because if you go in there and you say, I have something that is, quote unquote, not mainstream, but I'm passionate about it. They'll say, great, we'll make that, but the budget will be lower. And that's the rule. So I'm like, okay, great. I understand that. And then you can take a swing at something, you know? And I like, I like that.”
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“Don't really know, you know. I think that this pandemic in terms of watching things and how we consume materials, I do think that it set viewing patterns in a very major way. And I think this will continue. But there's so much being created, and I do think some of that's going to go away because there's only so many creators who can do that. But I do also think that Know it's okay to also have a different kind of success, which is a smaller success.”
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“I just got into this rhythm of well, I better come up with the next thing that's a yes because I won't get this opportunity forever. So some of that is also my damage, my psychological barrier. But it's sort of, I don't even understand it myself, but I know that I love creating things. And ultimately, That's what I'm interested in. I'm interested in the art of creation.”
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“Who sort of has come up being a supporting player? She wasn't that way in OJ for what she won all those awards. She was the leading lady. But to say to somebody like Sarah, I want to see you be the lead in a story. And I want you to be an executive producer and help you cast it around you. I want to build something around you that you also own, that you also have points in. So sometimes the mission is that. It really does depend. And also I'm just, you know, to be blunt, I was born a very restless person, a very restless soul. And also, because I came up in a time in the late 90s where I was told no, constantly, no, you can't make that. No, you can't be that. No, you won't be a success. No, we're not going to help you. That when I finally started to get yeses.”
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“Oh, yeah, that was great Yeah, she was wonderful. So I always wanted to work with her. And, you know, finally I found this part and I sent it to her. And I said, well, you go see this play, the prom and see if you're interested in this. And she said, okay. And she went that week and she said, yes, I'm in. I'm drawn towards that creatively. Like, what kind of excites me, and it can be a person, it could be an idea, it can be a childhood obsession, it can be about wanting somebody I love like Sarah Paulson, right?”
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“See, that's why I loved our road trip. I felt a spirit. And then, in terms of creating, I always feel like I'm so lucky in that if I want to make something, I can make it. And I always believe that happiness is something to look forward to. So I always do have my eye on the next thing. And it's always just like, what am I interested in? What were my childhood influences? Who do I want to work with? You know, this is a perfect example. My whole life I wanted to work with Meryl Streep. I was the president of the Merrill Street Fan Club in high school. Yeah, I was in high school. I had a group of five of us, and we would go on opening night to see every Merrill Street movie and then go have dinner and talk about it. It was a weird movie.”
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“Horror story and you know, American crime story, or Patty Lapone, who I've worked with three times, or Dylan, you get a shorthand and you get a language, you get a trust because my work very often pushes the boundaries and goes a little wild and a little broke. So it's good to have that shorthand and that safety net”
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“So that's what I'm doing. I'm trying to create a utopian community that I wish I had had when I was a young person. But I believe in it. I believe in, you know, when sometimes somebody will do something with me and it will kind of work and maybe not be embraced, but then we do a second time at bat and then they hit it out of the park and are rewarded with worldwide acclaim. Darren Chris, I had that experience with. And it's really... And also, when you're working with somebody like Darren or Sarah Paulson.”
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“Yeah. Well, yeah, Hollywood. I mean, you know, two of the leads are over 70, and they're the ones getting all the action. And I think that's fantastic. And you don't see that. And so I'm interested in Jessica Lang, what have you always wanted to play that no one has ever thought of you for? And I like doing things like that. Kathy Bates on and on. I mean, there's so many people that I brought me.”
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“Know it wasn't until I was older and I moved to a major city and there were other gay people and there was other artists. So I think that I've been trying to go back in time and constantly just create the thing that for the first 20 years of my life I longed for but didn't have, which is a group of people who are interested in the same things, differing opinions can fight it out but believe sort of in the same world ideals and I'm very drawn to that and I tend to be a very loyal person and I like particularly with actors. I'm very interested in the plight of many actors, particularly older women.”
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“Yeah, I mean, the people that I work with, I work with the same group of actors and the same creators and the same producers and the same designers over and over and over again. And people always want to know about that. And my answer to that is basically, you know, when I was growing up, the thing that I wanted more than anything that I could not get was a community.”
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“And a very touching and poignant way and needing each other. Talk about that and then finish up talking about creativity. How do you stay creative in this twitchy instant by instant world? How do you create some lasting work, I guess?”
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“Some of it's like earworm. It's an earworm that really gets into it. I want to finish up talking about two things. One, create, and then I'll let you go. Thank you for being so generous with your time, is the way that you have a troop around you. of the people that are in your stuff go from thing to thing with you, which is really interesting. Can you talk about that creating sort of that group? Because that's what one of the themes of Hollywood was, was this little group of people creating something together as a team. And initially they're at cross purposes and then they all become a team. In an idealized way. It doesn't work, I think, like that in real life.”
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“A little bit, it doesn't even drive me crazy at this point because I don't really read it, but I am aware when something scary happens, like we're going to earworm.”
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“Yes, and also being a part of something where you get death threats constantly because of the content that you are providing or making is very scary. And then you have to narrow your life to protect your loved ones. That has been very difficult. The good thing about it is I think that It does give a voice to some voiceless people that I think do need to be heard. I do think that there is a lot of social justice stuff that happens on Twitter that I really think is great. So it's not all negative. I just think that it's a lot of the arm, I guess it's the armchair critics that”
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“Some of it's good, some of it's interesting. I have a pretty large Twitter following and I get a lot of feedback and I'm so used to it. I guess I'm a professional Twitter. So I feel like I feel okay with it, but it does, I think it does give you signals, though, but I think making decisions based on it is the problem. I think that's what happens.”
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“And I think in their mind, they think that they should. It's interesting to me. I like a little bit more rarification than the cultural apex. And it seems, even, and I hear this with young people, that young artists are very afraid even to zig right or zig left. And when I talk to them about it, and with a couple of them, really big names, you sit down and you realize that they're making choices because they live in fear of 10 people who on this social platform on their phones seem to have very loud opinions, but really are in their basement and don't know anything. And I would say to these young people, and I have like you really can't make choices based on a very narrow group of haters that in your brain system, the dopamine hit, makes you think is the world hating you. So that I don't like.”
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“I think the thing that's probably the hardest for me that is difficult is the constant judgment, the constant commenting, the constant magnification of your life and your choices and your creative life. And you can't get away from it. I mean, I remember when I first started off making something, you get one report card, which was the reviews. You would never get reviewed again after that first. A pilot had aired. And then you'd get the rating and then you'd sort of know where you were. Now, even on streaming, though, you don't get the ratings, the critical assumption of your work goes on for months because of Twitter, which I don't like. I think that Twitter as a platform is particularly It's toxic and it gives a lot of voice to people who, to be, in my opinion, shouldn't really have that voice.”
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“Is there any part of it you don't like with sort of tech sort of beginning to dominate and the way you market these things? I assume that's how people are finding out about all your stuff now, or maybe not. I mean, generalized marketing doesn't happen anymore.”
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“I think what I was interested in making for him is some sort of very sort of bite-sized horror series with every episode ending with some sort of cliffhanger that gets you to the next part of the story. I was very interested in that idea because I think that the horror genre is, you know, there is jump scares, there is kills, there is suspense sort of every naturally 10 minutes or you lose people. So I thought leaning into the best of that form was interesting and I was sort of drawn to that. I probably would do something like that.”
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“So, I felt that this idea of lessening attention spans is very interesting to me. And there is some dopamine hit that you get off of it. You get instant results. You know how many people are watching you at a certain time. You see that on social media. It's interesting. You don't have to wait. And I am drawn to it, but I couldn't because of my deal at Netflix.”
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“The trailer was great. I am interested in them. And, you know, I had just signed my deal with Netflix when Jeffrey Katzenberg approached me to do something on Quibby. And I was very interested in it because I felt he was onto something in terms of how we are digesting material and what is our attention span. And I know that because I used to do 22 episodes a year and then it moved down to 13 and then it moved down to 10 and now it's at 8. Sometimes it's six. And even with six episodes of something, an audience member is like, I just can't give you that commitment. I can do four.”
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“Yeah, yeah. It's interesting though that my son's right now downstairs listening to Grateful Dad for some reason he's gotten fixated on it just today. I know usually it's hip-hop and screaming from the bitches from the basement and hoes from the basement, which is you'll enjoy that period of time. But when you think about that, would you create for those things? Do you ever like the other day I was thinking I should do something on TikTok? I don't know what. And especially because I'm consuming more in this pandemic because I'm seeing what create, there's a lot of creation going on right now with people at home. And some of it really wonderful, sort of showing where social media could be instead of this giant toxic waste dump that it had become. Do you ever think about creating for those mediums or just use them for marketing? You've done a nice job with marketing Hollywood, for example, on social media.”
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“No, I really am a student of pop culture, right? So I feel like it's my job to sort of know what's out there. And also I have a seven-year-old. So my seven-year-old knows how to download any device instantly. You know, I'm kind of a dinosaur in that way, but now I've got him as a helper. So I am very aware of what is happening and what is coming and what is going and what I like and what I don't like and how young people are watching my shows now. in a very different way even than they did in 2015. So I'm very aware of how content is being consumed and new fads and fads that are dying and what's going to be the new MySpace and things like that. I am aware of that. The thing that I really stink at, which I used to be really cool at, is”
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“The road podcast, we can do it. I would do it. I had so much fun with you when I admired you, and I cannot tell you a couple, you know, when you were in the newspaper business, you know, you scatter to the wind. And I remember a couple years later. I had moved to Hollywood at that point, and I remember seeing your byline, and I was like, oh, she made it. And I was so excited for you. I continued to be excited for you. But I love that period of On my life in DC”
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“Don't smoke. So you probably were very cross with me. Probably. But you probably made me roll down the window, but I remembered smoking. Tracy Chapman experience and Sandra, we should. It was so fun.”
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“That album, and I think that, yeah, it was. I don't know if that album had come out a couple months earlier. It was this was the period.”
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“Volkswagen, yeah, all we wanted to listen to was Tracy Chapman. We listen to it over and over. We must have listened to that.”
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“And it was like, you know, and Sandra's a good friend, and it was at the height of her Madonna period, I think, and this show was so great. And I remember getting out of it, there were like six of us who went. And I was just like, well, that's the best thing I've ever seen. And I can't believe that I'm here in New York City. And I said, Cara, what do you think? And you're like, I liked it. And I was like, that's it. And I remember you got really mad at me because you're like, well, I need to think about it. I'm not just going to tell you what I think everything I think right now in the middle of fucking Greenwich Village and then we had dinner. And I was like, I like her. She's funny, but the thing I really remember that I don't know if you remember the fun part was. On the car right up”
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“We did. And the thing that I remember about that trip, which is why I admire you then and to this day, was we came out of the play.”
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“You and I, the evil interns that we were, organized a group of people to road trip from Washington, D.C. to go to New York City and see Sandra Bernhardt and Without. Oh my God.”
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“Well, ultimately, it really did do well after 60 days. Like the report card came in and it was really positive, but it took a while.”
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“I can only talk about what I, as a content creator, where I wanted to go. I wanted to be there because it felt new and it felt exciting and it felt like the way that people want to watch stuff. That's, and I think that, you know, there's always going to be outliers, but I think more and more of these companies will try, and I think many of them will die away. And I think we'll be left like we were in the good old days of broadcast television with maybe three, four, five big ones. You can already see the middle part of the business dropping out. Not as many new shows are being created, not as many sort of $18 million movies are being greenlit. It's definitely happening. And I think it will continue to happen in a pretty quick pace. You know, I bet four years from now, many of these new channels, quote unquote, and new businesses will not be here.”
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“I just think that there's a content war, you know, and I think people who can make content will be very well compensated for the foreseeable future because everybody wants to be in that game. And I think that Netflix is particularly with their business model showing how successful it can be. And I think, you know, Disney's streaming services become very successful very quickly. I think everybody else is kind of playing catch-up. But I think that”
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“And like when I was their age, I couldn't, you know, I was obsessed with going out to a theater. They kind of sometimes don't want to. Sometimes they do, particularly in the summer, they like it. But I just think that it's in their DNA now. This is how they want to consume material. They grew up on screens, and that's what they like to see.”
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“I was not shocked by it because I was there on opening day with my kids who were going out of their minds. And I'm like, please just sit here and watch trolls. I thought for Universal and it was an incredibly smart move. But what I'm talking about, it's always, you know, the guys in their 50s and 60s who were screaming that the sky is falling when actually it fell 10 years ago. That's what I mean by the model's changing. So I think that look, I love the experiences of going to a movie in a community. I also love the experience of being able to pull up something like trolls from my kids instantly. And I think that both can exist. And I think what we're going to see is the expansion of the net. That's what I think.”
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“I don't know. I mean, I do feel that what's happening now in Hollywood streaming is the future. I think we're in the future. I think the old way of doing business is pretty outmodeled and it's going to go away. And I think that what you've seen even in the COVID experience with direct to consumers with the movie trolls being a shocking overnight success.”
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“With Julia Roberts called A Pray Love, it was based on Liz Gilbert's book. And it was, you know, it made, I think, $230 million worldwide, which is an amazing amount of money for a film to make. And I'm constantly trying to track that movie and constantly trying to figure out, well, you owe me this amount. Oh, yes, we're sorry. Here's your check. It just became like being an account when was part of the job description. So this at least I know what the rules are. And I feel like that's liberating, you know?”
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“Yeah, but what I have liked about the Netflix model, you know, even the way that they pay out your back end, you know the rule going in. You know, like if you make a movie there, they're going to pay you your back end up front. And that's the deal. You either take it or you're not. Whereas if you make a movie for your studio, you're chasing those receipts. You know, I made a movie and one of my first movies in 2009.”
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“As for ownership, I mean, before I went out of the town with this deal, that's something I thought about. Do I want to be a company? Do I want to own everything? Do I want to outright own my work, which means I would really have to spend 75% of my time being a business person and really building that business model? And I have friends who have done it who I won't tell you who they are. I think you can probably figure out and they've hated it because it's stopped them from being the thing that excites them the most, which is a creative person. So, you know, my deal with Netflix is up in another, I think, two and a half years. But that's something that I'm interested in looking at again.”
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“Dreading waking up sometimes because I knew I had a responsibility to know how something did. But then the business changed. And then it's like overnight ratings no longer mattered and yet you were still being judged by them. But then you'd get another report card in 45 days and then another one in 60 days and I ultimately just found it to be very exhausting. So what I like about the streaming world is they don't talk to you about numbers, at least with me. Basically what happens in my world is I have a show and after the first weekend we get on the phone and we talk about it. And it's sort of like, yeah, it's really good. People really like it. It's doing well. Or it's we're not really sure. It's building here. We're going to give it another 60 days and then you have another talking by that point you forget about it. So the metric of success seems to be different because, you know, you're one of many pieces of content on the service. As for owners.”
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“I may think about that later, but when I'm in that process, it's like I'm making this because I want to watch it. I'm interested in this. So I've always followed that very pure thing. And there were many, many, many years where you'd wake up and you'd have to get the morning report card, which was your ratings. And sometimes it would be crazy good in the case of Glee or in the case of American horror story or OJ. And then sometimes it would just be okay, like with the normal heart or feud. And I remember.”
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“I have a really weird, I think, worldview about creation because when I create something, I never think, is this going to be popular? I never think, what are the critics going to say?”
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“And those were the places. Do now, but it was sort of blinking about, but it was stats, it was like this is really popular. You're really popular in Brazil. You're super popular in the Philippines. Not so popular in Mongolia, but we're working now. But I had never thought of myself as a global creator. I thought of myself as somebody who was, you know, on the west side of LA making stuff occasionally in New York. But it just sort of opened my eyes, you know. And I know that it is a hat trick. But it was impressive.”
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“Cindy Hall, he's amazing, and they're very hush hush about figures and facts and figures. At least back then they're much more transparent now. But they took me into a room and they put a map of the world on a screen and suddenly began to blink with all of these lights.”
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“It's different for me than it is for most people, which I understand, you know, because I went there and they wanted me to go there because, you know, they wanted me to create. They wanted me to create a lot and they wanted me to sort of follow. Never pushing something on somebody unless they are interested because they have to love it as well and market it and publicize it. So it just feels like there's just a tremendous amount of freedom and there's no know. And I think that when I moved there, that's what I was doing. My viewing habits had changed. I was only watching Netflix anymore. I was watching the crown. I was watching the OA. I was watching Making a Murderer. I was watching those things. That's what people were talking about. And it felt exciting to me. And then I had a meeting with them.”
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