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Ryan Murphy

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“And it's not even that I was frustrated with that because I never really pushed it. I never even tried really. I had a couple meetings, but I didn't have anything I was passionate about at the time. I think ultimately with the Netflix deal, what it has become and what I'm making it is I wanted a channel within a channel. Like I have my own kind of channel within that Netflix world and that you can click on my name and all of the things that I've either done in the past, curated and doing now come up. So it's sort of that was a very interesting business proposition to me. I wanted those things to feed each other because I'm creating a, you know, I'm doing pieces of entertainment, but they really all have a really specific worldview and a point of view. And, you know, I wanted all of that to be housed under one.”
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“I really couldn't. I mean, if you look at the business dynamic of Fox when I was at Fox, there were little fifths in a kingdom. There was the film division. There really was no documentary division. And there was a television division. So when the television division, I loved everybody there and I had great relationships. There wasn't really an encouragement or an interest in they want to keep you there tonight.”
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“There They were Fox properties. And I still maintain a really great relationship with Fox and FX and I have several shows there still as well. So I never felt that I was leaving something. And in fact, all my relationships at Fox and FX are better than they've ever been. Dana and John and Peter Rice. But I was actually going because I wanted to try something new. I wanted to try movies again, which I had not done in a while. And I really wanted to try documentaries, which is a space I'm obsessed with watching.”
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“Yes, yes, and then I'm also finishing up a movie with Meryl Street and Nicole Kidman and James Corden and Andrew Randall's called The Prom. So I went there just for this idea that I can do everything. I can do films. I can do documentaries, which I wanted to do. I can do television shows. I can do limited series. It was just a place where I could do everything, you know. I have had several shows that already are on Netflix that do really big numbers for them Glee and American horror story, American crime story.”
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“About it's a wonderful story by a wonderful filmmaker about that. And then I had a documentary premiere last night called The Secret Love, which is a true love story about two gay women who in their 90s finally have to come out in society to continue to stay together. And then Hollywood. Three very different pieces in one week while I'm finishing up a movie, The Boys in the Band Adaptation, The Joe Mantel. Oh, great. Yeah, we just finished a movie, the Joe Director.”
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“The reason I did it was totally exemplified with this week in my life. So this week in my life, like Hollywood premieres on May 1st, which is a limited series. But I also have two documentaries that have come out of the past week. I produced a documentary called Circus of Books. That's a beautiful exploration about which I think you would love, about the world of analog being replaced by the digital world in pornography.”
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“We did, Joe and I did a lot of work together on creating that character. And again, a character who has a happy ending in his own way, even though I'm not going to give spoilers away, you won't think that it's a happy ending. But he did”
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“In many ways, that part was me and that. You know, he wanted to be an agent for change and he wanted to take on the studio system. And similar to my path, I think that character starts off in a gentle, well, what if we try this and what if we hide the cotton candy in the vegetables? And then finally, he just becomes enraged at the idea that the world is not changing and he refuses to become a part of it and tells the establishment where they can stick it and is very vocal about who he is in the world and that he has been gay and he's not going to hide it anymore. And I think we're used to seeing characters like that, you know, through the prism of people, wonderful filmmakers, but like far from heaven, you know, we're the gay husband, finds a boyfriend, but is kind of sad and lives a quiet life. I mean, this character is loud and brash and builds to a volcanic eruption. And I felt very connected to that part. I think Joe did too.”
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“Yeah, you know, first of all, Joe's a great friend. He is a great Broadway director with many Tonies under his belt, arguably the best theatrical director working, I think. I just had a wonderful experience with him. First of all, he was an actor. He was in a normal heart, Angels in America, and they did a normal heart on Broadway, and then he played a different part in my film adaptation of that. And then we just did Boys in the band, which won a Tony a year ago. Hard to believe we were walking a red carpet a year ago, but there we were. So I have a very long relationship with him.”
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“There is always the act of contrition, but it really is your perp walk to get back in the game. So that's, I think, very true.”
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“And people would write like, I'm afraid to watch the show because I love the characters. And I know you're going to kill her at episode three. So we literally had to issue a statement saying we're not killing anybody in season one. You can watch knowing that you're in a safe space because people would feel triggered. So all of these things are in the water for me.”
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“Yes, they killed themselves. They never had sex. They were very prim and puritanical because that was an interpretation of straight people to how I think they really wanted gay people to be. So I was interested in a world that was not neutered, that was the life that I lead, which is colorful, which is sexualized, which is glamorous, which is fun. Also, there's tragedies. Also, you do cry your emotional. But I just wasn't interested in doing something. And people, I think, want that. And like you, they're shocked. Like, well, wait, the same thing happened to me when I did posts. You're watching pose and you keep thinking that an act of violence is going to happen to a trans person, particularly in season one. We ultimately did that because we felt an obligation to be true. But we, Stephen and Brad and Janet and I were adamant that nothing happened to the trans people.”
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“And as Ian and I, Ian Brennan, who co created with me, and Janet Mock was in the writer's room, and Ned Martell, who also used to work at the post, as we were working on the piece and talking about it, we just kept saying, well, why do they have to be punished? Why does have to have something be taken away? Why can't they just keep winning? It may feel like a fairy tale, but I cannot tell you enough that if I saw something when I was growing up that had somebody who acted looked like me, who won and was, you saw their friendships and you saw their sex life, they weren't neutered. They weren't, you know, talk about the Raw Hudson movie. You know, we grew up in this world where gay women and gay men were the sidekicks and they had lists.”
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“And they were winning. And I think that we've been at least I have been indoctrinated to this idea that, okay, if you have gay people, if you have gay men, if you have lesbians, if you have women of color, you can have them win, but then something has to be taken away from them. They must be punished in some way because that's how the world works. And I have always grew up with that and I've written to that. choices in my past where I've fallen into that trope.”
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“Hearts and minds, and it was both of those shows were referenced by the Obamas. We went to the White House. And were they responsible for the marriage equality act? Not alone, but I think that they did do something to move America closer to equality. So I do believe in that. I've seen it with my own eyes.”
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“And you remember me as somebody who was at the Washington Post sort of scrappy fighter. So that's where my fight began. And I said, why? Well, because then we'll alienate an audience. How do you know? You might bring an audience in. So I've been sort of living this argument my whole career. And I think to some, it may feel Pollyanna, but it's sort of a fairy tale that I believe in because I have spent so much of my career sort of saying, you know, not lately because I've had so many champions. You know, there was a generational shift, but early on saying, well, why? How do you know if you don't try? And I do think Hollywood does make a difference. I think if you look around the time when Obama was president, there was that one year where Glee and Modern families were very, very popular. And I remember people writing editorials about how it was launching discussions in their families and changing.”
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“I do. I mean, I think that that's a controversial idea. And I don't think it would have been overnight. And I don't think it would have been easy. But I think the most important thing that I think we show in the miniseries is Not just is it a critical success, but it's an economic success. So we've made money and what would have happened then is other people would have made movies like that because they would want to cash in on that money. So I think there would have been more movies, more portrayals, and I think with that, as we've seen in our own culture, starting sort of like when I started work in Hollywood in 1998, I couldn't even have my first television show. I could not even have a woman female cheerleader wearing a fur coat because it was deemed too gay.”
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“Did what the sort of white patriarchal society demanded. And even most of the time, you would have to hide who you were. So his dying of AIDS, and that's really when the world finally and even he kind of admitted that he was gay. So it was a very, very sad ending to this life. And I was just interested from my own point of view, like what would my life have been like if I had been six and I could watch a movie that had an outgay man in it and a gay love story who was rewarded and who was seen as being successful for being authentic, what would my life look like? How different would my path forward be? Would it be radically different? I think it would have. So I was interested in that idea, not just for me that...”
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“Stereotypical one Yes, and you and I, that was the year before you and I were interns. So we grew up with this idea. At least I grew up with it. I'm not sure how you felt, but I sort of felt like if you were marginalized, if you were othered, if you were gay or a person of color or even a woman, you could only be allowed in the club if you towed the line”
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“And in one movie, in fact, Doris Dan, I forget which one it was, I think it was when she was interior decorator, he was pretending to be a straight, he was a gay man pretending to be a straight man who then pretended to be a gay man, if you remember. There was a scene where he acts gay, which like sort of the effeminate version of a gay, like a stereotypical one. And it was so awkward because I was aware he was gay too. And I remember thinking, this is there is something so sick here going on with this man, which was, and of course, when he showed up with Doris Day quite ill, it was such a shock and changed the face of AIDS. It really did. That was a moment for a lot of people, I think.”
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“Right, but when I would watch those movies, I would be like, Oh, he's pretending to be quote unquote straight so that he can be a success. So I knew that you could be gay and be a success, but that meant you had to hide who you were. So I was obsessed with that idea”
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“And I remember looking at her and looking back at the screen and thinking, oh, he's like me. So there is a pathway to be successful if you're like me. Because my whole family was in the military and I remember at the dinner table hearing stories of gay guys who were killed or beaten in prison, I mean, in the military or sent to prison. So that I just was paralyzed. And he was important to me because I don't know. I believe in this idea that if you can see it, you can become it. So I finally saw it. I saw something to move toward.”
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“And I like He was amazing and he, my connection with Rock Cutson as a growing up gay in Indiana at a very young age, six or seven, knowing who I was and knowing that I would be punished for it just inherently and keeping this sort of a secret even as a young baby child. And I remember watching this Rock Hudson TV show with my grandmother who I McMillan and Walter Walter”
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“Miami was sort of modeled after her own grandmother that she would get parts. She could play a funny person or a rich person. But that's not what Hollywood had to offer. It was only domestic. So she also sort of ended her life and her career, I think, in a sad, forgotten, regretful place. And Rock Hudson was a weird obsession of mine.”
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“Yeah, he was okay. So he got the, you know, he would be given the female pictures and he was great with women and had a great camaraderie. So he had success after success. He was fired off of Gone with the wind for many different reasons. But the thing about Hattie that I was obsessed with is she went to the Academy Awards and she found out that she was going to win the Academy Award because back then they leaked it early and she was not allowed in the room. She was not allowed to be in the room, and she was only ushered up on stage and then shown in the back entrance after she won. So the tragedy of that and her career, like anime Wongs, was also sort of sad and that she was only, she thought after she won the Academy Award as daughter of slaves.”
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“Patty Yeah, Hattie McDaniel sort of started with my obsession at a very young age with George Kupor. So I sort of fell into the Hattie wormhole. And I was very”
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“And then she found out several days later that the part went to a Caucasian woman, Louise Rainier, who had just won an Academy Award. Louise Reindeer would go on to win an academy award for that role in the Good Earth. And Anime Wong really never recovered from that blow. I mean, she sort of suffered for years afterwards and other stereotypical sort of quote un Lost potential. So I was always just very moved by her.”
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“Yeah, well, anime Wong was truly, I think, the first Asian movie star who was tremendously talented and had so much to give. And in our story, what we sort of dwell at was the big tragedy of her life was she was very much typecast and there was no place for her in this town. And so she had to settle sort of on sidekick parts and Temtresses and cliched stereotypical roles. So finally the studio buys the good earth and there's a role made for her, the only role where she can be the lead and show all of her talents. Screen tested her, and everybody thought she was shooting to get it. She gave a brilliant screen test, which we dramatize in the show, and then grown men were weeping during the screen test. It was so good”
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“All right, talk about each of these characters in historical sense. Anime Wang was an actress who really was not given the kind of parts. She got to play temptresses sort of when they used the term Oriental temptress and things like that. Talk about her and each of the characters you're talking about because they all had not hide, but either they were sidelined or they had to hide an essential part of themselves.”
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“Truly, we're sort of victims of the system, and they were not allowed to feel their full potential, and they had to pretend to be somebody to be successful. And I remember at the beginning of my career, I kind of had to pretend to be somebody to be successful.”
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“Yeah, the Harvey Weinstein of his day. I just sort of grew up with these figures because my grandmother was such an old golden era movie buff. So she would give me books and monster models for my birthdays, which kind of says everything about me. That's what I'm interested in. Never understood why I was very gravitated towards these three people, but I could not consume enough material. And I remember at one point walking through a snowstorm to my local library to look on an encyclopedia about Anime Wang. And I think it wasn't until I got older and started in this business, which is so hard and felt so much rejection that I was like, oh, I understand why I was interested in it because they”
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“There's some real people in it. We blend historical figures with fictional figures. So Rock Hudson is in it, a reimagining of Rock Hudson. Anime Wong is in it. Hattie McDaniels in it. Are people that”
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“I had a weird experience there. Because they put me in the style section. Which I kind of wanted to be in. And they didn't kind of really know what to do with me. So I felt like I was floundering and constantly trying to push the envelope, which is a very familiar energy to this day. And I have very good memories of you, however. I really do”
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