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Shailagh Murray

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“Yes, well You've resurfaced from an experience like this, and it takes a while to assess. And I also, I love transitions. I like that liberation of feeling. Like you're on a course, you get to pick your course, and that's exciting. And I want it to look different. I'm not sure how different, but I think once you Experience the satisfaction of making something big happen, you're attracted to it. And maybe it takes a different form, but I'll figure it out.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Things like the economy, huge segments of the population that have been left behind and all of this recovery that we love to talk about and the opioids crisis, which was obviously like the tail end of a 30-year decline on behalf of these communities. It was just so if you're not. Soul searching right now as a Democrat who had anything to do with this here, you know, you're not taking care of business because you have to look deep within yourself, I think, or I feel like I do. To understand what I missed and make sure it doesn't happen again.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was Shaq really in retrospect. I suppose a certain amount of horror. But the thing that I couldn't get out of my head was Merrick Garland, this person we had fought for and believed in and this ultimate violation that I felt like the denial of a hearing for him represented. Anyway, that crystallized it for me what was slipping away was not just the Supreme Court seat, but everything it represented. And it was the ultimate validation of this horrible strategy that I thought had done so much damage to the country over the last eight years. But I also think that he was the most authentic, the most He had the simplest message. He was perversely the most disciplined about it. And he obviously connected with people on issues that we just Didn't connect as well. And that is that causes if that doesn't cause”
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“And Virginia stuff was looking bad. And for the first time in my life was overcome with this nauseous feeling. Physically overcome. I was physically overcome.”
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“So I was over at a friend's house who works for Nancy Pelosi, and when the Penellas County, Florida returns came in, and I saw that she was going to lose Pinellas County and knowing who lives in Pinellas County, which is a bunch of people who used to live in the Midwest was overcome with alarm. And so I excused myself. And not just alarm, right?”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No. And maybe Mark Marin's death. But it was, and every time we do something like that, we get a reaction like that, you would see it in the comments section. You know, it was just this outpouring of I knew you were there. Keep talking to me. I want to hear more from you directly. Tell me what you think about this. You went to a prison and that told me, you know, that made me pay attention to the, it was, it did not show up in the letters, but I thought that was the most, that was my most valued kind of measure of how these things were breaking through.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, not at all. And you could tell when something was resonating. I mean, after the Mark Marin interview, he got a whole pile of mail about that interview. Where have you been all this time? Why aren't you doing these more often? This is what America needs to hear from you. That sort of.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's true. And the contrast is an advantage, so to speak, that he didn't have. Although I think that I think it was really, I don't think you can separate the two things because I think you have to put yourself in a position to take advantage of an opening, of an opportunity like that. And I think by expanding the reach, by doubling down on some of these more Kind of longer form reconnection, you know, this exercise that we ran was actually Put people in a frame of mind that they could see him differently. Yeah, clearly”
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“Well, it's like having an offense, right? So you're going through, you know, even when you're in a six month cycle of just gloom and doom and, you know, Ebola and the border crisis and all the things that Are inevitable to the presidency, the problems that are inevitable. It gives you a path forward that you're never losing sight of even during these downturn periods. So you're always doing something proactively even when you're defending or trying to catch up.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. So it's a Know the whole notion of meeting people where they are and then using these different formats to come at them from a different point of view than just the daily newspaper or the nightly news.”
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“Well, through different you know we'd used we did a lot of big longer term documentary projects that got him into different formats that lived longer than a 10 minute broadcast interview we would He did a lot of public conversations with nonjournalists which as you know can yield more fulsome conversations and those were gave him a chance to talk for an hour or so about His thoughts on leadership, patriotism, things that wouldn't normal in the course of events, but that are issues and big framing pieces of a presidency that matter. Put on”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I thought it was important to reestablish that connection so that he could bring people along through his presidency and ultimately turn over the work to them to carry forward. Because that's an essential part of the close of a presidency is the reestablishment of what it actually represented and then empowering people to go out and defend it or continue the work.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think he well, obviously he was by any objective measure successful, but had, you know, had been The actual narrative of his presidency, people had kind of lost the threat of that. And the connection that I saw that was so powerful in two thousand four and then initially. And people realize that, wow, someone like that actually exists in politics. And then escalating very quickly to his successful 2008 campaign, that was the person they had kind of lost the connection with”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, the toolkit looks totally different, should look totally different. In fact, it's a great opportunity how much more media there is and how you can certainly use your time more effectively now than you could 10 years ago, although you're not reaching those same gigantic audiences. I mean, the most important thing he needed to do was just reconnect with people. You say.”
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“Copy, but also a political savant. He's just a really fascinating. He sees things that. That not everybody sees. So I thought I could learn a lot from.”
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“And, you know, I was really intrigued by the idea of seeing everything I was covering in real time. Understanding it at a higher level, deeper level. And I also had a great amount of respect and affection for the vice president.”
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“I did. I think it was a combination of my journalism experience sort of running its course. I didn't want to be the Twitter journalist. I just wasn't drawn to that kind of branding.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And trust in institutions, which I think is a catastrophic turn of events for the country, a country that's built on institutions whose institutions are supposed to be bigger and stronger than the people in them.”
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“It's how he measures success. But the point I'm making is that it's not success. He's not actually doing anything with all that power. He's amassed all this power. He's consolidated Republican Support around an electoral strategy that has producing nothing of value for the country and ultimately the cost of that is this incredible You know, devolution of faith and truth.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“is what they were all ultimately worried about that he would become this, you know, pivotal political figure like Reagan was. It was the They completely failed to address any of the problems that their own voters were concerned about. They lost, they totally lost the bead on the country. And collectively let people down to a point where they have turned to a utter stranger who is Republican by nothing other than...”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's shrewd, shrewd, but ultimately, but ultimately self-immolating, right? Because in the course of throwing the president off course and denying him the great uniter mantle of Reagan, which”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was It was such a, it was so brazen that you had to admire it, but it was so damaging that you ultimately had to condemn it because, I mean, we. It unfolded to the point where we got to last year with the Merrick Arland nomination, which I thought was probably the most insidious thing I've ever seen in politics. And the ultimate act of nihilism and a world that doesn't need any more of it right now Is he”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's obviously recognized as this formidable tactician. But I also think he saw, he's from the South. Has seen a lot of this firsthand as a canny politician himself, that the country, you know, it wasn't just that the country. Elected the first elect president, it pivoted during that election. And if you were a Republican looking at your survival chances, that is a gigantic threat. And the country is headed, like has turned basically not on a dime, but feels like on a dime in a completely different direction. And how do you arrest that progress or change? And he, I think. Did what he had felt like he had to do to arrest that change.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You weren't sure whether that was the beginning of something, like a whole new phase that was going to be tough to. And he only had one act, and she had another one. But that didn't last very long. Then, in South Carolina, it all reverted back to the”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I remember that night well The editor screaming in our ears Why is this happening? But It made you think that her, you know, she pivoted, obviously during those few days and had that she being Hillary. Yes, exactly. Hillary Clinton and had the incident in the diner. And that was”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I suppose the biggest the loss in New Hampshire was disconcerting from a reporter's perspective because it was so unexpected and we'd had so little time on the ground there that it was we didn't really know any better.”
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“Exactly. And saw a lot of problems sort of through that lens. was I rooting for it to happen? Yeah, probably, personally. But I also I was skeptical of his ability to sustain that over a long period of time to the extent that it's hard for anybody with very little experience to do that. But he kept crossing these thresholds, as you know”
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“Yeah, it interested me a lot. And I mean, I did have a personal, I had a personal connection with him that I'd never had with a politician before because I recognize so many elements of my own experiences. And he obviously is not a Catholic. He kind of felt like one, though.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, and covered the Sort of plotted the national psyche on this issue maybe more closely. I guess I wasn't predisposed to that kind of reporting. I don't like pack journalism and I never wanted to cover the White House or be part of a bubble.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I felt very strongly from the start that he was, you know, probably going to be the nominee and had a chance to go all the way because I had experienced this 2006 cycle firsthand. And I saw that the country was just unusually, felt like unusually receptive to something new and different and generationally different too. And obviously he was on the right side of the war debate, which I probably valued maybe a little bit more than others covering the campaign because I had”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the need to get away from employee based coverage and the need for universal coverage. He had a like a lot of these guys in those days, they were pragmatic. They were looking out for their interest, but they were trying to move the system forward.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tom Daschel and Harry Reid were very effective. Bill Thomas, the Ways and Means chairman in the House Republican for years was one of the, he was a real visionary on healthcare reform and was a, I remember talking to him about that heritage plan in his office. Long, long time ago”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Calling a blogger somewhere. Right. Or, yeah, or some, you know, in-house Washington digital product that, you know, only staffers read or, you know, it was like for all for.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, but you know, I was like this kid from his hometown paper, but I was the most important person as far as he was concerned.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sure, they could. But that's not what the, I mean, you would think that would be coming back to into Bloom now, but it's not. Since the Obama shadow has lifted. But these were people who were, you know, they were very, when I was a student reporter at Northwestern doing the Washington program for a quarter, I worked for the Biloxi Sun Herald right after Trent Lott went to the Senate. And he called me every day. Just reached out you need anything for your story. What are you writing about today? Can I help you with anything?”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Dan Nichols from Oklahoma Real nuts and bolts guys who were completely transparent, accessible, held daily press briefings. But more than that just had They used power completely, you know, to actually get things done, not just to hold leverage over people or suppress things. Could they find things happen?”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, exactly Some were manufacturing towns. So, but. People who were from military families, who were at Republican events, who were Republican voters or independent voters, people who were not traditional us versus them partisans, who were having really deep reservations about the war, couldn't quite articulate it. And you began to see the divide between the political rhetoric in Washington versus this kind of human struggle that individuals, people who maybe had a personal stake in the war were experiencing in their own lives. And that's what I mean where you started to see this disconnect between the political rhetoric and the actual public debate or the public conversation that was taking place in reality. And ultimately, how poorly served people were by the political debate. And they express themselves in that 2006 election.”
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“Yeah, I loved that because that was where you were really, I mean, you were the only tractor in the field, right? So it was, and I would go to these small towns and military parades and you talk to the people.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The merits of the merits of the case, but also the public debate. And I remember the... Biggest kind of moment of truth for me was early in the two thousand six midterm election cycle and I was preferred midterm cycles to general elections because they were always foreboding of what was to come. You could see it coming if you really got out there.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think that it'd be, you know, I think there were a couple things. There was the post-9-11 fog that the country was still in and that just as the country was in it, so were our leaders. And perhaps people were not thinking clearly or trusting their instincts or listening to their Not making calculations in a normal context. And I think that just spiraled and people began to see political opportunity and taking certain positions. And then it became, even from a reporter's perspective, it was hard to even cover it objectively. I remember you'd write stories and the league quote would be a Republican and then you'd get some amazing volume of. That's when I first started seeing like really partisan hate mail coming in. And it just became that more and more obscured the”
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“I think it was, yeah, I think it was the war. And the war was a. I mean, that was really the beginning of this sort of phase that we're in where people lost faith in these institutions in a way that has Basically, affected their ability to function I think the, I mean, I know as a reporter covering the war debate and seeing the Being just disappointed in the way that people dealt with those votes and try to rationalize what they were doing, the political expediency and so much of it that came to obscure the actual merits of the debate itself. So you had the left got really wound up about the surge and once the war was being prosecuted, it became, it was surprising to see how partisan it remained even on a Even on the actual prosecuting of it, as opposed to trying to unpack why it had happened and holding people accountable”
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“Well I mean, it was a. It was an entirely collaborative and kind of adult-run institution where you felt like The leaders were leading, and you may not have agreed with them, but they felt formidable. The institution felt formidable, and like it was addressing real problems and maybe overreaching or... Maybe in the case of the tax bill or whatever, doing a little too much cuts. Yeah, and big energy packages and the no child left behind bill passed during that period. But almost all of those were collaborative efforts to some degree. And people had a sense of, and I suppose it was partly 9-11, largely that in some respects, but also or in some cases. That was just the way the institution was still rolling along at that.”
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“He didn't, but he sure got a lot done in the first few years, and especially in the aftermath of 9-11. And that was in probably a high watermark for Washington in recent history. It was kind of downhill from there.”
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“We came back right before that election. And so you had the sense that this huge storm had just blown through and people were reassembling the wood, the timber, trying to rebuild. And it was, and Congress especially had been totally thrown off course or thrown themselves off course by that. So Bush came in. You know, it's kind of surprising. It's funny in retrospect to think about how sure-footed he was early on after the outcome of that election.”
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“Right, I can miss the entire Clinton administration. I think we lived overseas for almost to the month for the entirety of it.”
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“Right, and they don't see any direct benefit in their own inside their house, in their own personal life. So they see people who We're disadvantaged before gaining advantage in their own opportunity or sense of progress diminishing. And that was, that started to develop almost right away. And especially with when Eastern Europeans started to move to Western Europe and take up a lot of those menial or blue-collar type jobs, they were willing to do them for less. They were willing to do them off the books. It was really disruptive, almost right away. And now we're 20 years down the road, and that pool has expanded vastly, you know, to include parts of You know, Southern Europe, Southeastern Europe, that really a lot of Western Europeans don't even consider their brethren. I mean, these are very Homogeneous countries. By tradition”
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“A lot of these institutions are reactions to the world we lived in for a long time and maybe haven't adapted as successfully.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we left Prague and moved to Brussels right as the EU was expanding and establishing a common currency and really becoming the full bodied entity that it is today. These institutions don't really make a lot of sense when you look at them up close. They're huge and bureaucratic and ineffective day-to-day. It wasn't surprising to me that Brexit happened when you think of the kind of collective exhaustion with the bureaucracy that comes from Brussels. But it's also impossible to imagine a world without those institutions. And I think that is what is hard for Know maybe we have so much distance now from the Cold War and this kind of interregnum period that we're in or maybe not an interregnum, maybe just the future is”
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“Anxious, right? And, you know, this was a country that had been. Around World War I was, I think, the fourth largest industrialized country in the world. I mean, it was a And everyone was waiting for those factories to reopen that they would start making airplanes again and they would start making. It just day never came. And you knew it, I mean, I knew it never would, but it was, so it was an interesting. Interesting to see up close, but it also. It taught me a lot about. That the way people adapt that I wasn't expecting.”
2017-04-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 142 - Shailagh Murray · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Drama that the entire people were experiencing collectively, but in very different ways. And young people, obviously handling it a lot better than older people, but creating these tremendous generational divides that you would see manifest themselves with in families that you knew and If you were over the age of 35 or 40, Know your life, the story of your life was basically written, it was very, very hard to adjust. So”
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