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1. “It doesn't matter what it is you're changing. And it's 24 hours a day, we've got to be considering that with our dogs. It's not just we're training for five minutes and then let them run and be hooligans for the rest. It's where is the value coming for all the behaviors that they're starting to develop.”

   2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

2. “Just keep asking yourself the same thing with the dogs where's the value where is the reinforcement coming from for the behavior that I want to change”

   2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

3. “People have made that have my blog has got a ton of free resources and that's Susan Garrett Dog Agility.com but the articles that are in there you know there may be 30% of them are related to dog agility it's just really good dog training and you can Google me or on YouTube or on Facebook Susan Garrett dog agility it might be our business page and there's lots of good stuff that we post there so I'm all about giving people free There's tons of great valuable content on any of our sites dogs at listen.com is a place that I suggest to people that go to because that's my goal in life is to help dog owners better understand their dogs and help dogs to have the most joy in the best life possible. So that's what I'm out for and I'm happy to say that we're changing the world one dog at a time here.”

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4. “And the thing that I advise people to stay away from, anything that a person tells you that you must be the boss of your dog, they must, you know, that's old school. Training should be should not be physically punishing or mentally intimidating to your dog. And if it is, then you're doing it the wrong way. And there is absolutely, you can have the most phenomenal success. I don't care if you're trying to create a hunting dog that can work 200 meters away from you with birds nearby. It doesn't matter what you're trying to train. You can train it in a way that's creating a better relationship with your dog full stop. It just doesn't matter what it is.”

   2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

5. “Well, you know, the trainers for myself personally, Bob and Mary and Bailey are really the people that I have learned from, and Bob still does have some educational opportunities for people. I'm really a big fan of learning online. And when I remember when I first looked into this 10, probably six or seven years ago, people told me, oh, it's a mechanical skill. People can't learn it online. But here's the thing. When you are learning something in a classroom, you have the distraction of all the other dogs and the people and the environment. And it is the worst place for a dog to learn something, the absolute worst, because the environment is so out of your control. And if the instructor tells you to do something, you've got to try to remember that or write it down when you get to your, you know, back into the car. But when you're learning.”

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6. “Dogs that listen and forward slash Tim. Dogs that listen.com forward slash Tim. And you can get that there. That's something that's within our, we have a $500 course that we keep that within, but we're taking it out for people who are listening to this podcast.”

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7. “I use all kinds of different things. I like to mix it up from low value like origin, just origin kibble, super good quality stuff. That's my lower value and I might pinch some of John's roast beef because I said there's no meat in my household. So I'll mix that up and carrots, right? Raw carrots are another really good one, especially if a little dog that might put weight on really fast. So you want to be really conscious of that because the calories are they add up fast when you're training a dog, especially if it's a rescue dog that's already full grown. They're not really growing. So and create games so that a video that we have that's going to help people with the understanding of the crate. And I also have a step-by-step on it's your choice, an ebook that they can get from us and the way they would get that is to go to”

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8. “Like to feed raw, so you know the sola and chewies are a phenomenal brand. That's when I'm in the States. That's what I buy. And really good quality, $20 bill treats. You need to have some lower value treats too, Tim, because you don't always want to tip with $20 or there's an expectation that you're the guy with the 20. So when you're at home and it's a less distracting environment and you're not asking for a lot, you might use low value like cut up carrots or mix that in with some high value rewards.”

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9. “That you would consider, you know, the obvious Alician collar, and I like a buckle leash, not a pinch collar, not a chain collar, a buckle leash. And if you need, if you have a really exuberant, say you're getting a rescue dog, like a head halter and gentle leader is a brand that I really like to use.”

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10. “And the thing is when you, if you are a person that looks for what's good in your dog and you're trying to create ways to set them up for success, you become a person who looks for all that's good in life. And it changes you. It makes you a better co-worker, a better spouse, a better parent, a better, because you're always looking for how can I set this up for success? How can I create an environment that's reinforcing? And it's all the same. If whatever I'm, you know, sometimes I get asked to give marketing lectures. And it's, I just take out the word dog and put in the word business and we run to the races and do the same thing. It's the same thing.”

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11. “And if you just do this with a couple of friends and a couple of visitors, you're going to create a new pattern for these dogs and they're not going to jump on people anymore. So it's all about being present and purposeful with what you want from your dogs. And really anybody can train. You don't have to be a professional dog trainer. You just have to have to seek out what you want. And the thing is, most people try to train from the world of don't. Don't jump on me. Don't bite. Don't bark. Dogs don't understand. Don't because don't is a concept. They understand do. They understand behavior. So what you have to do is look at what you don't want and create a behavior that you do want so that the dog can be right and you're setting them up for reinforcement. And that makes for a much better relationship for you and your dog and anybody else that comes in contact with your dog.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

12. “And then I want a failure because the greatest lessons happen through failure. So then I get them all excited. What good dogs you are? So they jump on me. And when they jumped on me, I just turned my back because what they were seeking was that social attention and I didn't give it to them. And then when they got off of me, I turned around again and I did this two or three times until they made that connection. I've had lots of really good steak for sitting and I got”

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13. “What do I want? I'd like people to dogs to greet people when they see them. And what do I have? I've got hooligans that jump all over. Well, where's the value? Because there's reinforcement there somewhere. And so the value is these dogs are incredible social creatures and they love to greet people. And so let's change that value. So what I did was I came out with, we'd gone out for supper to a really nice restaurant. John ordered a nice steak. I took half of it off so that I could use it for the dogs the next day. And he's loving this. So then I go out there and before they can jump on me, I just reward them for not jumping on me. I take the two ones that are real culprits and I just reward and reward for not jumping on me. And then they get the idea that there's going to be food on the ground. And so I wait till they sit and then I reward that.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

14. “So much for the dog free vacation. He looked at me. He said, Did you know this? And he loves dogs. He just wanted a vacation for you. I said, I had no idea because it wasn't in the advertisement I showed on the advertisement. So they had 12 field springers and they had 11 field springers, a border call, you know, great Dane. And as soon as you get out of the car, they all jump on you. And of course, it's just awesome. And they're so very sweet couple. They're all apologetic. Oh, they're terrible. They jump on us. And I said, listen, I just happen to have some of my camera equipment with me equipment with me is if you don't mind, if I video this, I can fix it for you tomorrow. And she's like, fix it tomorrow. Like, did you hear what she said? Fix it tomorrow. And I explained who I was and that I could do this. So the next day we went out and we did a shoot and we fixed it and I explained, again, it's about reinforcement and knowing if you anytime you have a behavior, you look at”

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15. “My husband is from Britain and we are going for vacation, quote unquote, because I was lecturing over in Britain. I said, look, let's go to, he's always, he wanted to go to Ireland. I said, well, go to Ireland, have a non-doggy vacation. There will be lots of fun. And I said, I'll order, we'll get a BNB in Dublin because I'm vegan and it's easier to get good food in a big city. And he said, no, I don't want to be in a big city. So I'm okay. So I found it was on a farm, a beautiful, they raised organic beef and 200 acres. And he said, yeah, that sounds perfect. So we pull in and there's $13 dogs.”

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16. “Here and then the next time you do this a couple times, she's going to learn, Oh, I respond anytime all the time. And that, you know, failure is never a bad thing. It's just what you take from that failure and how you can respond to it.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

17. “You know, failure is a great teacher and it's awesome to get a failure and then say, how are we going to work through this? Because then it makes the dog more resistant to that failure the next time. So, you know, depending on that, if she was a super young puppy, you might just say, let's pack it in. But, you know, assuming she's reasonable age, think of it like a dartboard with the heat zone being right in the middle. And so she's in the middle of all this activity. All that you would do is say back away 10 feet and ask for the same behavior and you're getting away from the heat zone to a less intense distraction area. And then if it doesn't work, they're back away another 10 feet. So you might go from the backyard to the front yard where it's climbing. And then you would start with simple behaviors that she can respond to. And then when you get the response you want in the front yard, go back to the backyard and then work your way. I wouldn't go right to the heat zone, but I would, you know, say, okay, we've had some success here. We're going to break it off.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

18. “Really depends on the dog, you know, you have a dog. Molly is a dog that likes the rough play and bouncing around. And so, if you can get them into that higher state of arousal and the changing the physiology is the easiest way to create that. And with a dog that maybe doesn't like the tug, you can do a recall where they chase you for a cookie. You can do things like rolling a cookie across the floor or hiding a cookie in the couch cushion so that they have to get engaged and find it. You know, you can give them find it. So you're getting them into a more hyper aware state where the distractions don't notice them. So when you're in the zone, I step to the ring at the World Championships and they say my name, I don't even notice that the speakers are on because I'm just focused on my task. And the same is true when my dog's training with me. If there's other dogs in the area, it doesn't matter what's going on. They are completely in the zone with me. And that's what we're doing when we're tugging or getting them moving around first.”

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19. “Crate so she can jump up there and when she jumps up there and when she's there we know she's hungry so we put it down she takes them a mouthful and then we put it back up on the shelf so the German shepherd can get it and when she wants us to play ball she barks at the ball in the kitchen sink and we run outside and we play ball and then you know if she's hungry she goes back up on the crate and I'm like no wonder she runs slow in agility because that's the only time in her life that you actually try to tell her what to do So you have to really just have an awareness of how it's all rolling out. Dogs are brilliant at figuring out patterns of reinforcement and they'll run with them. As you found out.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

20. “So it's like you ask permission, but I'm confused because you didn't do what I expected. So then you must have been asking permission to go in your crate. I could put you in your crate. That's cool. Like, you know, I was confused what that bell ring was for. And so she would learn bell ring. I have some action out there. That's cool bell ring. I don't get some action out there. I get a consequence that I really didn't wasn't expecting. And so, you know, because it's all going back to reinforcement. And I'm going to decrease your access to reinforcement or I'm going to allow the reinforcement to carry on. I had a student once who had a German shepherd and a Jack Russell. And she said that the Jack Russell was a really, she wasn't, she was really energetic dog, but was running really slow in agility. And so I watched her and she had pretty good skills. But I said, tell me about your life around the house. And she said, well, she's a picky eater. So I put the food on top of the German shepherds.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

21. “Absolutely. Yeah, so it's recognizing that you're being shaped, first of all. What I would do is I would make sure that the first bell ring, the dog gets to go out because, you know, maybe she does genuinely have to do something. And then you come back in, the second bell ring, she goes out on a leash. And if nothing's done, she goes in a crate.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

22. “Absolutely. And the 3Ds are the ones that are going to build the brilliance. The thing is what we do is we make sure that we introduce all of those things in crate games where you can control what the dog's doing. So any distractions you're going to use for your recall, any distractions you're going to use the distance away, the duration. You could all do that in a crate, whether you can just close the door and it doesn't affect your relationship with your dog. And then once they've got that, it's almost like, you know, they've got the first set of inoculations against distractions. And then when you take them out to the real world to do that, you're just building in that second set so that you are really getting a killer immunity for the dog against any distractions that they may come in contact with.”

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23. “I mean, I still did it for the rest of her life because it cracked me up that she was so freaking smart. Dogs are brilliant at figuring out patterns of reinforcement. And you'll just look, you find in your own dogs, they will pick up. I mean, that's why when you pick up a set of car keys, if a dog loves to go for a ride, they're the first ones at the door. And if they don't like the car, they'll be the first ones in the back bedroom hiding. So they just are brilliant at figuring out those patterns and going, how can I get the pattern I want faster? And the chickens are like the intense version of that. It's a lot of fun. Chicken camp's awesome.”

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24. “I just shaped her. She was a little 10 pound dog. I shaped her to jump up on a kitchen chair whenever anyone went in the kitchen to either prepare human food or prepare dog food. And so that was her gig. You went in the kitchen. You could go in the kitchen. It was fine. But if you started preparing food, she'd jump on a chair. And at the time, we lived in this house with a pine floor. And so the floorboards were a little uneven. And so anytime I was cutting carrots or whatever, I'd throw her a cookie over on the chair. If I was in a hurry and I didn't notice it, what she would do is she would walk around on the chair till she found the uneven spot and then she'd go back and forth and rattle it to get it. And that would make me notice that she was there. Oh, what a good.”

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25. “I didn't even think about it. And so when John took over feeding the dogs, it drove him crazy. He didn't want this terrier running up his back and making all these monkey noises. So I thought I'm a clever person. I don't want to have to go back to doing that chore. So I have to stop this behavior in the dog.”

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26. “Jack Russell had this routine that didn't bother me, but I drove him nuts. So when you're starting to feed dinner, she would run up your back making terrier noises. You were putting out the food, right”

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27. “Be your trainer or they'll train you to put the cookies, the food out faster for them. Their responses will shape you. And it's the same with the dogs. You know, one of us is a trainer and one of us is a trainee. And if you aren't intentional about what you want, then you'll get a dog. People will say, my dog is stupid or stubborn. And it's not. Your dog is just brilliant. And they actually have trained you in the way that they wanted. I mean, it was not like they're conniving and thinking up at night looking at a book on what they can train you to do, but they recognize patterns of reinforcement so fast that they will get what they want. And then they what you see is, oh, this dog is stubborn. Oh, hell no. This dog is figured out that they can shape you in always one person's a trainer and one person's training. Let me give you an example. When John and I first moved in together,”

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28. “You can't do anything. They'll fly away. You are at the mercy of pure behavior. You can observe behavior. And if you get your mechanics wrong, you'll have a chicken in your face. Because if you are good about getting the food in and getting the food out, they will shape your behavior. And it's basically like dog behavior, but it's intensified. So with dogs, they'll do the same thing, but it might take you a month to figure out what's going on. I always tell people with any relationship with two animals, one is a trainer, one is a trainee, and with a chicken, they will be your trainee in a heartbeat if you're not quick about what you're doing. Trainer, they'll be.”

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29. “He has a video you can grab Tim. It's called Patient Like the Chipmunks. And it's got a documentation of some of their experiments.”

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30. “A cockroach to turn out a light. So the thought was if they needed somebody to go into a room that needed to be dark, they would put the cockroach in and it turned out. I think actually Marion did that as part of her PhD, if I'm not mistaken, but amazing, amazing.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

31. “And they would have a leg clamp on the diver and the diver would be up on the deck, like just little things that amazing, amazing things that they train cats to go through airports. And back in the 50s, 60s, they had this project where they had the cats had a cochlear implant and they would control where the cats would go with high frequency noises. And when there was a conversation they wanted to listen to, they would get the cats turn right, turn left, sit, stay, and it would transmit this conversation. It was just amazing, amazing stories of... How is this going to turn out lights?”

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32. “And I was actually talking to Bob just two days ago. He told me, because he had stopped doing the chicken camps, he's going to be doing a cruise very soon and where he's going to be talking, doing lectures. And then he's going to open up another chicken camp. He pretty much retired, but he does work with one of the armed forces in one of the Scandinavian companies now. So fascinating, fascinating guy. He was up at our place for three weeks this summer. He would just have anybody on my team just, you know, God smack because listening to his stories about what they were able to do with, you know, whether it be training a sea lion to swim under the US ships looking for a diver that might want to be putting explosives on the bottom of a ship and the sea lions would be swimming with a leg clamp. If there's any diver in the water, that sea line, they could swim faster than the divers.”

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33. “Yeah, that's true. I can't remember who said that, but that is definitely I haven't heard that quote. Chicken camp is something that Bob and Marion started up many years ago. And I went through some of their early programs when they were teaching it. It was amazing just to listen to Marianne Lecture. So it was, you know, you did, it was five days and you did a little bit of training and a little bit of lecture. And they picked the chicken because they're a phenomenal model of behavior. super easy to train and you can see responses immediately, immediately like it's very black and white with chickens and there's no emotional attachment and you use a little measuring cup to deliver the reinforcements just boom boom and it covers so many things. It covers the mechanics of training and you just think about training in a completely different way once you've been through chicken campus.”

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34. “Yeah, phenomenal work that they did. And so they're putting food on the table was dependent upon getting the science right. And so many of the people that we would talk about as being founders and really having big influence in animal training were teaching at a university. These two were in the trenches taking notes. their livelihood they had to do this right and so like the research is phenomenal on all different aspects of training and so they found that it actually absolutely did novel Well, what you will find is the dog won't go right back to backing up. They'll start throwing waving and it creates an overarous state with a dog. And so they won't go back to the thinking state of offering you the same behavior. Knowing all that, I still do it, but I just get excited and I, so it's more for me than it is for the dog.”

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35. “Like pigeons and cats every 1500 different species of animals they train. Phenomenal. We could do a whole podcast talking about this.”

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36. “It's something that I will do, but science has proven it has zero value in training. And sometimes it will actually hurt your training. But you know what? It makes me feel good. And so, even though I know that I will still do it, like if my dog does something exceptionally well, oh hell, I'm all in. It's, you know what? I'm jackpotting that. But here's what the science has proven. So there's a couple by the name of Bob and Marion Bailey, and they were my mentors. Marion passed away and Bob's still an awesome friend. He just turned 80 today, actually. And they made a living. Instead of being scientists who were in a laboratory and playing with dolphins, their livelihood was based on training animals for the armed forces for espionage.”

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37. “Clock, and you have to go to work, and suddenly you go, I think I have a sore throat. I might have a sore throat. But the alarm goes off at 6 30 in the morning because you have a hockey game on Saturday morning. Boom, you're out of bed. Done. Because one is you have to and one is you want to. And I want to inspire my dogs to always want to, no matter what it is. And so I get dogs like even my terriers, if they could be out chasing a squirrel. They might be within a mouthful of catching them and I'll just say, we're going this way and boom, they'll stop on a diamond come back because they've always had those choices in life and those choices have been layered so that they always want to do what I want.”

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38. “An environment based with choice so that they have the choice to just hang out within their X-Pen. And then I'll do things like I have, I'll have my X-Pen in my office and there's a flight of stairs to go into the kitchen. And so I'll walk into, you know, take them walk the puppy down into the kitchen and I get to a dog bed. And this would be like a, you know, a three-month-old puppy. And I'll just stand there by the dog bed and I'll wait. And the puppy will offer to go in. I'll throw cookies and I'll keep throwing cookies as I'm making my way across the kitchen to get my water. And then I'll throw cookies all the way back and then I'll give them a release word, permission to leave and come with me again. So it's like those are all choices that lead up to this phenomenal relationship that I have with my dog that it's not because you have to. It's because you want to. And anytime we have a choice in life, do we hear the alarm go off at Monday morning at nine o'clock?”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

39. “Not a fan because it's removing choice. And I love to give the dogs choice. So it's a difference between trying to create the bond because you become accustomed to being with me all the time or creating that bond because they're inspired to want to be beside you all the time. So that's the reason that I've not been a fan of that. The other thing is I go to the bathroom five dogs want to go to the bathroom with me. My dogs follow me everywhere. And so that relationship and that kind of phenomenal bond is there with all of my dogs. And even like I have a 17 year old and I have a one and a half year old and it doesn't matter. It's still very, very strong. The other thing, I move so much, it would just, they'd be underfoot all the time. For me is it comes back to I want to train my dog.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

40. “Exactly. And it's about when the baby can make good decisions for themselves, then you don't have to confine them to so much. And it's exactly the same for our dogs, right? You set them up to make good choices, and that gives them the opportunity to earn a life without restriction. And by not doing that, that dog doesn't live as full a life and you are sentenced to management for the rest of that dog's life when you go outside. You have to put the garbage on the counter because a dog might get into the garbage and you can't leave any food around or they'll rip into the food and they, you know, so it's a life of management. You have to make sure the latch is on the gate in the backyard because the dog, once they get out, they're gone down the street. And so life of management for you, which is a ton more work, which leads to a life of complete restriction for that dog, which is sad because you know what? They deserve to have as much joy in the life as they can get because they're awesome.”

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41. “That you can put up in your kitchen. And when you're supervising the dog, but you say you're cooking supper, so you're supervising, but not really, you can throw a couple toys in there and you're cooking supper and you can watch. And then if you have to leave the room or go outside, then the puppy can go back in the crate. So they're still in a smaller area so they don't have access. And people think, oh, I want them to be my family pet. Well, when you have a baby, you keep them in a playpen. like let them crawl all over the house”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

42. “So you can shape anything. It saved the baboon's life and probably a couple of zoo workers' lives too. Shaping behavior is just far more cooperative. And the other thing about it is it creates far more opportunities for the dog because when punishment doesn't work, which it won't long term, you end up, that dog ends up living a life of restriction so they don't get to go off leash at the park. They don't get to have freedom of running, you know, living in the house. And, you know, when by the time, if you do what you did and have the dog in a crate, the puppy in a crate or the dog when you first get them. And then what we do is we also, we call it the gated community. So you can get an X pen. They're called X-Pens. A lot of the confirmation showdog people use them. They're like a little three or four foot high.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

43. “Really scary. So Gary, all that he did, and similar to the bell thing, what he did was he created a like a chute, a tube, a metal tube attached it to the baboon's cage, shaped him to put his arm through the tube for treats and then they put a rod at the end of the tube. And so he would put his arm through the tube and hang on to that rod and that flexed his arm. So when they wanted to take blood, they could take blood and they could give in a matter of weeks, you know, they have this baboon who's loving the game of giving blood and getting his insulin every day.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

44. “Mandrel baboons. Yes, and it had diabetes, but it was the only male in the San Diego Zoo and one of the, you know, I think like a handful of males left in the world. And it wasn't a diabetes that was genetic. So they wanted to give it these insulin shots. And it got to the point, like they're powerful animals. So they would use a crowd gate to get them in a corner and give them a needle every day. Right. Well, it's a big creature and a tiny little needle, but it was, you're trying to force me to do something. So it got to the point where he was injuring some of the zoo stuff. And I think if you look up Gary Priest, I think was the trainer that I heard, you know, that worked through this process when I was at a work. Mentals are...”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

45. “And you could have even just shaped that behavior as a separate behavior, teaching them to paw at the bell. Know that and do continue to do what you did, like ring the bell before you went out. And I mean, it just would have been a fun game. A um, I don't remember when it was, it was in San Diego Zoo. There was a drill. And it had, and it was like, it's one drills are, I guess, like one of the most endangered species in the world. You know, the ones with the big, long canine teeth, the big three inch teeth.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

46. “That back in, which is why it's always better to do it right the first time and have a plan. But it doesn't matter how old the dog is. You know, they all can't teach a dog new tricks. That's crap. You absolutely can start with a dog of any age. We had the oldest we've ever had in our class is 17. Somebody from Jersey brought their 17-year-old dog up to learn how to how to shape. And it was awesome. And they absolutely can do it.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

47. “And if a police officer pulled in behind you, then would you get all vlamped and have this visceral? No, you'd be like, dude, hey, it's me. Like you'd have this amazing response to seeing a police officer near you. And that's what reinforcement does for our dogs. And that's the difference between it being effective and it not being effective. And that's why I tell people, no matter what it is you're trying to create, reinforcement is the answer. And if you have a problem that you can't fix, it's because there's some incidental reinforcement out of your control that's either happening in the environment where the dog is, you know, you're asking them to come and they don't come and they end up catching a jackrabbit instead. Massive kudos for them, big time reinforcement, right? So, you know, the reinforcement is there when the dog isn't doing what you want them to do. It's just out of your control and you have to bring.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

48. “It would just be catastrophic punishment has catastrophic fallout, mild punishment has mild fallout, but neither of them fix a targeted behavior. Now let's say if you're driving and you're driving the speed limit, a police officer pulls you over, the lights go on and they go, hey, we notice you're on the speed limit and we're honoring model citizens this week. And here's $2,000 and they get back in their car and you go, wow. Okay. And then a week or two later, you get pulled over again. Hey, you notice you stopped at full stop at that stop sign here, $400 in your pocket. And this goes on and you get a couple more rewards. And then do you speed again? If you knew you had to be at work at nine and it takes you 15 minutes to get there, you don't leave at 10 to 9 anymore. You leave it like at 730 so you can tour around the streets and look for police officers to show them how good you are.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

49. “Listen to the music, and it was really cool. And they go, Well, you're going 10 kilometers over the speed limit. So you have to be punished. And they open the back of your car and they take out your dog and they shoot and kill your dog. So it's catastrophic. If you ever, like once you got out of prison for killing the police officer, you know, you got to think, would you ever drive again because of this punishment? Like would you, and if you had to drive for work, would you drive with a dog in the car? And if you had to drive like the dog to the vet, would you speed? There's just no way you would speed. You'd probably go like 10 kilometers an hour down the road because you would be terrified and you'd probably be sobbing the whole way because you're driving with a dog in the car and you don't want to get in trouble. And then what if a police officer pulls up beside you or behind you now? You would just be enraged and you'd probably break into this historic history.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

50. “Donut shops in hopes that the police officer will go somewhere else. And it's not a comfortable feeling And then if you take that, so punishment can't alter behavior, but punishment can suppress it. So what it does is when you know there's a police officer there, you will not speed. And that's the same with punishing a dog for getting on the couch or getting in the garbage or pooing in the wrong spot. You've suppressed that behavior to the point where they won't do it when you're around or they'll come when they know you can get them, but when you're outside of your arm's reach, they won't because punishment has suppressed the behavior of them being naughty when you can catch them, but not when you can't. So punishment in order for punishment to work, it has to be catastrophic. It has to be life-altering. So I use the example of let's say you're speeding and you get pulled over and you try to explain to the police officer, you try to get out of that tech ed off.”

    2016-11-13 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #200: Susan Garrett -- Master Dog (and Human) Trainer · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT